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Post by Arctic Amazon on Sept 19, 2011 17:16:55 GMT -6
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I moved the posts pertaining to the Wernicke area of the brain to another thread. If anyone disagrees with my decision to do so, please feel free to let me know. This new thread can now be found under the Mysteries of Science category.
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Post by auntym on Sept 19, 2011 18:07:17 GMT -6
That sweetheart Rike?? 'shudders' That man was just a torment. I miss CitizenK too Lois..but you can't let differences in opinion on a forum chase you away or you won't ever be able to be a part of one. I don't know exactly what the problem was but we have to all agree to disagree on occasion and sometimes people just do have bad days. I hope she'll reconsider and come back one day. i agree 100%.... if you're reading this citizenk.... we miss you...
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Post by skywalker on Sept 19, 2011 19:34:53 GMT -6
It seems kind of silly for CK to quit a forum because of one post made by one person but that is apparently what happened. I think if it had been anybody else she was upset with she would have stayed but since it was the forum administrator that she was mad at she decided to go. I think that she was probably still upset about what happened a long time ago when she was burned by that clown Lester and MUFON. She was probably still feeling a little uptight about it. Maybe that influenced her decision.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 19, 2011 19:35:56 GMT -6
Welcome back sanseed. I hope you feel better.
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Post by lois on Sept 19, 2011 20:07:03 GMT -6
When I joined Mufon forum, I began noticing this person Rike. He down nosed anything to do with ufos. One day I posted to members .. Who is Rike, What is he here for? He does not believe in ufos?
After that post he never let up..
He was well informed and I did learn a lot from him.. later on I realized it.. I even missed him when he went on his political campaign .. was it for President Bush?, I forgot.. .
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Post by Steve on Sept 19, 2011 21:38:47 GMT -6
I saw tormented Rike in the newest dull version of the Mufon forum just today.
I miss CitizenK too. She was furious about how Lester Velez and Opus, Mufon treated her. She was just one of many. A board member of Lester's own OPUS took him to task for his unprofessional outbursts on the phone with CK. Sad. I hope she can join us once again.
Lester was just announced by Clifford to be the new mufon 'Director of Abductions' [sic], formerly his 'title' was 'abduction consultant'. 'Lester' was supposed to be the 'go to person' for abductions in Mufon 5 years ago! So with a new 'title', it is supposed to be any different now? 'Director of abductions' sounds almost comical.
Some colleagues and I were discussing how possibly Mufon with it's 40 year old thinking on the phenomenon possibly cope with the abduction problem. Mufon would need at least 500 trained therapists. Have you ever known any certified therapist to take orders? Especially from a volunteer organization (a bunch of amateur control freaks) how to treat their own clients? To glean confidential information? Never mind Hipaa laws? Not only would this be unprofessional on Mufon's part, it is also highly suspicious. The confidence between the client and therapist is sacrosanct. Have you noticed all alien abduction research groups always work independently of Mufon? There is a reason, some I just mentioned above. I am gong to love watching this. Steer a wide birth.
Steve
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Post by lois on Sept 19, 2011 23:38:37 GMT -6
I saw tormented Rike in the newest dull version of the Mufon forum just today. I miss CitizenK too. She was furious about how Lester Velez and Opus, Mufon treated her. She was just one of many. A board member of Lester's own OPUS took him to task for his unprofessional outbursts on the phone with CK. Sad. I hope she can join us once again. Lester was just announced by Clifford to be the new mufon 'Director of Abductions' [sic], formerly his 'title' was 'abduction consultant'. 'Lester' was supposed to be the 'go to person' for abductions in Mufon 5 years ago! So with a new 'title', it is supposed to be any different now? 'Director of abductions' sounds almost comical. Some colleagues and I were discussing how possibly Mufon with it's 40 year old thinking on the phenomenon possibly cope with the abduction problem. Steve Oh so Rike is still at Mufon? I guess it figures he would be there.. I'm sure CK will be back. I notice she posted once after a few months of being gone. She made a new thread here. Now I have forgotten what the topic was..It was back in the spring I believe. Thanks for the information on Rike
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Post by lois on Sept 19, 2011 23:47:18 GMT -6
Steve. I missed a question above..
How did Mufon deal with the investigater who came face to face with an alien?
It was a true event was it not?
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Post by Steve on Sept 20, 2011 1:00:09 GMT -6
Steve. I missed a question above.. How did Mufon deal with the investigator who came face to face with an alien? It was a true event was it not? Lois, you mean Chase Kloetzke's encounter with her co-investigator and the witness briefly in the corn field with the small entity? Yes, I finally able to discuss with Chase her case investigator to investigator. I was concerned about why her case had disappeared from the Mufon CMS. I had a similar case also disappear. The three present apparently did see an small entity according to Chase during their encounter. Any secrecy related with that case I am assured is not about whether an entity was seen or not. It directly concerns the expressed wishes of the witnesses to remain anonymous and private. I was told fully about the circumstances, and I agree completely. I made a promise, and cannot comment further. But if you know anything about me in this forum, rest assured no one has covered up anything other than stressing the usual expectation of witness privacy. So was a small entity seen 6 feet away? Apparently so. Respectfully for Chase, by posting the answer to your question Lois - I can vouch here without revealing anything more that has not been shared publicly already. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Sept 20, 2011 7:04:56 GMT -6
I've been wondering about that also. If Chase says she saw an entity in a cornfield I would be inclined to believe her. She seems to be a sensible person...the fact that she quit MUFON is evidence of that. My question now is why did MUFON try to cover it up? And why did they finally agree to publish the sighting in the journal after several months of trying to cover it up? Did that give Bigelow and his minions time to get out there and gather up all of the evidence, destroy the scene and intimidate the witnesses into silence?
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Post by spotless38 on Sept 20, 2011 8:36:47 GMT -6
Steve. I missed a question above.. How did Mufon deal with the investigator who came face to face with an alien? It was a true event was it not? Lois, you mean Chase Kloetzke's encounter with her co-investigator and the witness briefly in the corn field with the small entity? Yes, I finally able to discuss with Chase her case investigator to investigator. I was concerned about why her case had disappeared from the Mufon CMS. I had a similar case also disappear. The three present apparently did see an small entity according to Chase during their encounter. Any secrecy related with that case I am assured is not about whether an entity was seen or not. It directly concerns the expressed wishes of the witnesses to remain anonymous and private. I was told fully about the circumstances, and I agree completely. I made a promise, and cannot comment further. But if you know anything about me in this forum, rest assured no one has covered up anything other than stressing the usual expectation of witness privacy. So was a small entity seen 6 feet away? Apparently so. Respectfully for Chase, by posting the answer to your question Lois - I can vouch here without revealing anything more that has not been shared publicly already. Steve Lois . Steve is right about Chase on what was wrote . I know Chase and she is one heck of a lady . I had heard the case with another person and it will blow your sox off . This was on skype . As for Bass . If they were there they did not get all the information they needed . ( sorry Steve ) Chase has a radio program on inception radio on Wed. night . It is on at 900 pm EST . The ratings went up from nil to number 4 in the first month or so . A great lady . Chase if you are on here this is for you xoxoxo Ron
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 10:48:43 GMT -6
These forums are not just for people who believe in UFO's though. They are a good place for people who are curious but doubters and for skeptics to air their feelings too. I've had two experiences with this phenomena but I'm still very skeptical and not willing to believe just any story tossed out there because many of them are hoaxes or errors. Because of my experiences I need truth not some misreporting or hoax. No one will take the subject seriously until we start policing the 'junk' that gets posted by the over eager and fraudulent. If we post stories about someone seeing little mice in space suits..by the act of posting it in here..we give it credence. We are saying here read this ..it's real. And people like Rike thrive on that.
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Post by Steve on Sept 20, 2011 13:01:44 GMT -6
I was more interested in hearing the account in Chase's own words to gage her credibility. Why the apparent secrecy, the alteration of the CMS report, the characteristics related to the situation surrounding the entity? The entity, a 'little guy' that appeared 6 feet away from the witnesses present seemed to just appear. In days following, it was forming into a crowd situation. Feeling betrayed their case was no longer being handled discretely, the witnesses had had enough. So how do I gage Chase's credibility I mentioned earlier here? I work closely with her now, if that says anything. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 15:05:25 GMT -6
Irks me plenty when things are suppressed and hushed up...not to mention groups jealously guarding witnesses and their information. Make it ALL public and let the chips fall where they will
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 16:49:43 GMT -6
So how do I gage Chase's credibility I mentioned earlier here? I work closely with her now, if that says anything.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Sept 20, 2011 16:54:07 GMT -6
Irks me plenty when things are suppressed and hushed up...not to mention groups jealously guarding witnesses and their information. Make it ALL public and let the chips fall where they will I agree with that 100 percent!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 20:17:40 GMT -6
I'm way behind here, but can someone tell me what this "entity" in the cornfield looked like? More than "little man"? Was he odd looking, odd clothing? Or timing perfect with appearance/disappearance that they knew (Chase included) that something wasn't quite "human"?
Thanks
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Post by lois on Sept 20, 2011 21:06:52 GMT -6
Steve. I missed a question above.. How did Mufon deal with the investigator who came face to face with an alien? It was a true event was it not? Lois, you mean Chase Kloetzke's encounter with her co-investigator and the witness briefly in the corn field with the small entity? Yes, I finally able to discuss with Chase her case investigator to investigator. I was concerned about why her case had disappeared from the Mufon CMS. I had a similar case also disappear. The three present apparently did see an small entity according to Chase during their encounter. Any secrecy related with that case I am assured is not about whether an entity was seen or not. It directly concerns the expressed wishes of the witnesses to remain anonymous and private. I was told fully about the circumstances, and I agree completely. I made a promise, and cannot comment further. But if you know anything about me in this forum, rest assured no one has covered up anything other than stressing the usual expectation of witness privacy. So was a small entity seen 6 feet away? Apparently so. Respectfully for Chase, by posting the answer to your question Lois - I can vouch here without revealing anything more that has not been shared publicly already. Steve Steve .. yes I believe the one I'm referring to was the same as your post. I don't know now where I read about it. Maybe on ufomainia.. I never forgot it as it was so close to the investigator.. No more was said and I just wondered why.. Thanks for explaining it.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 20, 2011 21:17:34 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Sept 20, 2011 21:21:11 GMT -6
Thanks sky.. It has not been that long ago then.. I have forgotten what month this forum started now. silly me
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Post by skywalker on Sept 20, 2011 21:32:37 GMT -6
Time flies when you are having fun.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 5:10:50 GMT -6
Thank You, Sky. I'm especially thrilled how easy you made this event available to me . I believe Chase K. I believe the situation. I'm still wrapping my mind around the "instant terror" that the people involved felt between feeling they were being watched and then seeing the entity. The "terror" just happened. No thinking by Chase "well, let's see if we can communicate"....I don't think "most" people understand this instant heightened feeling and the flight (no fight) response. She describes it so well! Their response happened so instantaneous that we don't hear about "hairs standing, prickling on the back of the neck", or feeling like air pressure and sound has changed, and maybe Chase could describe that now (from the obvious time it took to recover after-wards), but I don't need all that. I'm glad to hear that Chase is still investigating things, and in contact with Steve. I do like the way Steve approaches this whole issue and I bet him and Chase are a great team. Time does fly, Sky. I'll be thinking about this quite a bit today, I bet. Thanks again.
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Post by sansseed on Sept 21, 2011 8:47:24 GMT -6
Welcome back sanseed. I hope you feel better. It has been slow going, but I'm getting there. Thank you!
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Post by sansseed on Sept 21, 2011 8:55:52 GMT -6
Swell..bruises and ear ringing ..anyone else having monster headaches? Another just recent thing..I don't usually get bad headaches but these have been doozies at the base of my skull..and I'm still so darned tired. Sky watching has become an obsession like I am subconsciously really looking for something. I catch myself wandering out to the porch and looking up. So we need to keep posting things odd that we notice...I think. I am not someone who believes in coincidences but we sure have a lot of them. There have been quite a few coincidences. The bruising under the arms certainly have me intrigued. Mostly, because it isn't an exposed area and not a normal place for bruises to show up..., or maybe it is. I cannot speak to headaches. I have had them over the past month (and some have been doozies), but I've been pretty sick and headaches were pretty normal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 10:05:03 GMT -6
I hope you continue to feel better Sanseed..we've missed you! Somehow there must be more than coincidence here..especially the bruises under the arm as you're right..it's an odd place to have them..and at least 4 of us have now. I am not someone who puts much store in coincidence but at the same time, I'm not sure I want to face possibilities anymore I'd sort of convinced myself that whatever agenda they had with me was over..done with..but I can't think of another connection we might all have. I already know they can make happen what they want to happen..what were the odds I'd meet any out riding my horse with my friend? Coincidence that one picked my bedroom when I was 6..same town? To be honest I'm feeling bugged..in more than one respect
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Post by sansseed on Sept 21, 2011 11:01:25 GMT -6
I hope you continue to feel better Sanseed..we've missed you! Somehow there must be more than coincidence here..especially the bruises under the arm as you're right..it's an odd place to have them..and at least 4 of us have now. I am not someone who puts much store in coincidence but at the same time, I'm not sure I want to face possibilities anymore I'd sort of convinced myself that whatever agenda they had with me was over..done with..but I can't think of another connection we might all have. I already know they can make happen what they want to happen..what were the odds I'd meet any out riding my horse with my friend? Coincidence that one picked my bedroom when I was 6..same town? To be honest I'm feeling bugged..in more than one respect I agree, it is hard to look past the idea that the bruises are an odd coincidence. To do so would make us ask questions we have no idea how to answer. Yet, it is better to ask sometimes than to remain silent, imo. Personally, I don't believe in coincidences. What connection do we all have? Only one that I can think of..., this forum. Could past similar experiences have brought us together here at this forum, or was there a guiding hand bringing us together? I guess it could be the age old chicken or egg question. Are we all here because we stumbled upon this forum (through MUFON and Ufomania) while trying to find answers to our own experiences, or was there a guidance. I have to sometimes wonder. You can see many of us here on this forum as going through a weeding out process. First the shutting down of MUFON and finding ourselves at Ufomania. Then letting go of some of the less delightful elements of that forum to bring us here. **shrug** I don't know, but it does make me wonder sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 12:15:13 GMT -6
I think it may be the other way around..maybe. Experiences from the past made us hunt out the forums. I don't have a lot of doubts any more that there is a connection, I'm just not exactly happy with the idea LOL
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Post by auntym on Sept 21, 2011 12:46:27 GMT -6
i believe we all knew each other in past lives....thats why we all found each other in this life time.....
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i think its also possible we were all abducted together and met on board ship and the aliens set it up for us to meet thru the internet....
i feel very connected to many of you and several of the old, old mufon posters....i feel connected to a lot of people and i don't know why.....there has to be a greater hand involved.....otherwise the feeling of being connected to someone you don't really know wouldn't exist.....
somewhere along the line we have all met.... whether here or there....we know each other, whether one believes it or not, we have a history together....
and if i win the lottery my kids are having me committed.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 14:35:49 GMT -6
I think maybe the 'history' we all share is 'them' and abductions. Certain characteristics in us probably attract them and something they have done or are continuing to do..give a common ground. I have some concerns at what they might be up to..and it 'feels' that they are. I'd rather not say what I think.. I hope instead..people will post any 'unusual' happenings or things going on with them personally/mentally. Nothing we come up with will matter anyway..if they're playing Frankenstein..they will continue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 15:12:00 GMT -6
I cannot speak to headaches. I have had them over the past month (and some have been doozies), but I've been pretty sick and headaches were pretty normal. I've been getting odd headaches the last couple of days too Sansseed... they seem to be centered around the top of my head rather than behind my eyes like usual migraines. It's quite strange... Feels like I've bumped my head on something almost... it's not like a normal headache... it's like on the outside rather than the inside... Jo: ~hugs~ I'll continue to post anything weird going on with me.
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