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Post by skywalker on Nov 6, 2011 8:50:12 GMT -6
Of course it has crossed my mind also. I believe in the benefits of therapy. This is a little different, IMO. Because of the "memories" it may stir up (and possibly help) there has to be a strong commitment on both parties (both the therapist/hypnotherapist and the "patient") to follow through, how ever long it takes. This could be appt. 2 x week for 3 mon., whatever. Steve, you have the ideal situation. The time that would be involved is another reason why I haven't rushed out to do it yet. I honestly don't believe that I would remember anything in just one or two sessions. Whatever it is that is blocking my memories is pretty strong and it would probably take weeks or even months to bring them out. Even after two decades the only clear memory I have is at the very beginning where the light was shining in my window and I was paralyzed and floating up in the air. I have a few jumbled images of things that may have happened after that but I still don't know if those are actual memories or not. It won't be easy to get to the truth. If there were a qualified hypnotherapist here in Texas that I could see on a regular basis then I would be able to invest the time into doing it. Right now there is nobody down here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 10:33:30 GMT -6
Lois I'm sorry but if we pin hopes on them being 'helpful' we're likely to be the ones feeling hurt. What I have in memory wasn't someone being 'helpful' it was watching 3 of them forcing my friend down onto a table and tubes of blood and objects inserted and terror and pain. I won't say they were 'ruthless' but that they were objectified..clinical and without compassion for fear or pain in us. Our own scientists only tranquilize research animals to keep them still not for pain...these creatures did that mentally but the similarity was just the same. We will always have a tendency to stick our own morals and beliefs on them. Truth is..raised differently..environmentally different..physically different and mentally different...they would have concepts we wouldn't understand. They're not likely to tweet or be on facebook If they are lab constructed like I believe..then they're just occupied with the task they're given by whoever is pulling their strings. Have a task programmed in..carry it out...to heck with the test subject That's what I feel anyway.
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Post by lois on Nov 6, 2011 14:20:33 GMT -6
Lois I'm sorry but if we pin hopes on them being 'helpful' we're likely to be the ones feeling hurt. What I have in memory wasn't someone being 'helpful' it was watching 3 of them forcing my friend down onto a table and tubes of blood and objects inserted and terror and pain. I won't say they were 'ruthless' but that they were objectified..clinical and without compassion for fear or pain in us. Our own scientists only tranquilize research animals to keep them still not for pain...these creatures did that mentally but the similarity was just the same. We will always have a tendency to stick our own morals and beliefs on them. Truth is..raised differently..environmentally different..physically different and mentally different...they would have concepts we wouldn't understand. They're not likely to tweet or be on facebook If they are lab constructed like I believe..then they're just occupied with the task they're given by whoever is pulling their strings. Have a task programmed in..carry it out...to heck with the test subject That's what I feel anyway. I just look at all the ifs when it comes to aliens.. They probably are like you state, but I don't think I will be around to see what their agenda is. One thing I don't have a memory of them at all. I mean to feel scared.. yes I was as I thought they might come back or take me again.. I hate them for not showing them selves to me as a teenager.. playing with ones mind and leaving me in dark. I just think there may be more to it as Steve mentioned.. but we will never know. They are too advanced for us I'm sure. thus contact will never come for centuries..
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Post by auntym on Nov 6, 2011 15:16:43 GMT -6
"one night watching tv and being in this horrible pain and just saying to the universe....i need help, someone please help me..." (from auntym) Auntym, do you recall if you said this out loud (even if not very loud)? Thanks! jcurio hi jc.... i think i said it loudly in my head.... don't really remember.... it was a long time ago ..... over 20 years....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 15:26:03 GMT -6
~hugz to everyone~
Auntym, a lot of people claim to have been healed by "them". It's stories like that that make me wonder what they're really up to...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 18:39:30 GMT -6
thanks auntym. I still don't believe anyone can read my mind. (no doubt my intent can be read at times)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 21:14:49 GMT -6
Well..I think there is something to Auntie's call for help. I think they may 'intercept' prayer or someone just in hurt calling out for help. When I was 5 my parents were going through a nasty divorce and saying things that were guaranteed to terrify a child who loved both. To this day I remember bone racking sobs and praying to God not to let Daddy & Mommie split up. It was only a day or two later when a gray showed up in my bedroom and stuffed something in my ear that I thought was an angry insect...it's buzzed ever since. I think they intercepted my anguish and marked me for future study. Probably the same with Auntie. But it wasn't aid..I think they could 'hear' me and decided I'd be a possible study later. It's also possible that if they find a potential guinea pig and that person has something wrong physically..they might repair it so they could add that person to their data base of study. I apologize to those of you who see them in better light and I don't have any right to try to sway your opinion when mine could be wrong. I just resent the meddling so much and the abduction..the violation. There have been times when my 'person' was all I had and to have some creature put their smelly hands on my friend and I..well..it was a violation of my person. Lois I don't think it will take more than a year for us to understand what's been going on..I feel it coming to a head..I don't think we'll like it but I don't also think it's any kind of invasion. I think you'll get to know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 23:31:19 GMT -6
Jo... are you saying you think this whole 2012 thing has something to do with "them"?
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Post by lois on Nov 6, 2011 23:34:26 GMT -6
Well..I think there is something to Auntie's call for help. I think they may 'intercept' prayer or someone just in hurt calling out for help. When I was 5 my parents were going through a nasty divorce and saying things that were guaranteed to terrify a child who loved both. To this day I remember bone racking sobs and praying to God not to let Daddy & Mommie split up. It was only a day or two later when a gray showed up in my bedroom and stuffed something in my ear that I thought was an angry insect...it's buzzed ever since. I think they intercepted my anguish and marked me for future study. Probably the same with Auntie. But it wasn't aid..I think they could 'hear' me and decided I'd be a possible study later. It's also possible that if they find a potential guinea pig and that person has something wrong physically..they might repair it so they could add that person to their data base of study. I apologize to those of you who see them in better light and I don't have any right to try to sway your opinion when mine could be wrong. I just resent the meddling so much and the abduction..the violation. There have been times when my 'person' was all I had and to have some creature put their smelly hands on my friend and I..well..it was a violation of my person. Lois I don't think it will take more than a year for us to understand what's been going on..I feel it coming to a head..I don't think we'll like it but I don't also think it's any kind of invasion. I think you'll get to know. I hope so Jo My brother wanted so much to know also but he has passed. Maybe he knows in some other way now..
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Post by lois on Nov 6, 2011 23:41:56 GMT -6
If that dream means anything I had about 11 11, maybe they will make some kind of contact soon. Or our government may let a few things leak, not that it would be all I once.
I don't think they know too much but many think they have made deals with aliens. I don't believe it but that does not mean they have not. I think maybe it will come through them not an invasions like you mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 23:47:19 GMT -6
Why would "they" want to make a deal with our government? It's not like the government can stop them... "they" can disable nuclear weapons, change memories, create missing time and paralyze people. Lois, I really don't think they have made any deals with our government. I just think they know a lot more than they are saying... but this is just my opinion. I think the idea of them making deals with our government would be like the president going out into the jungle and making a deal with the Alpha Male of a group of chimps. To use a double negative, that ain't never gonna happen. They could wipe us all out if they wanted to. The question I have is, do they want to?
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Post by lois on Nov 6, 2011 23:49:34 GMT -6
"I've thought about being hypnotized but there aren't any experienced hypnotherapists down in this area" (from skywalker, above) Of course it has crossed my mind also. I believe in the benefits of therapy. This is a little different, IMO. Because of the "memories" it may stir up (and possibly help) there has to be a strong commitment on both parties (both the therapist/hypnotherapist and the "patient") to follow through, how ever long it takes. This could be appt. 2 x week for 3 mon., whatever. Steve, you have the ideal situation. When lorelei mentions health insurance for this, I'm also thinking, do I want to just pay out of pocket? Yes there's confidentiality, but I'm also thinking about the ins. coverage being tied to my job, and do I want to take any chances ?? I don't think Medicare would pay for a alien abdcutee to see anyone. I'm lucky to be able to see a doctor now and then without them sticking there nose into it. They don't seem to care much about the retiree these days ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 0:02:52 GMT -6
JC: I just now read your post because Lois quoted it. I'm a bad bad skimmer... ~sigh~
You actually discussed your paranormal experiences with a therapist? Wow. You're braver than I am. More power to you. I ran away from the one I told that stuff to... what did she tell you?
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Post by lois on Nov 7, 2011 0:13:10 GMT -6
JC: I just now read your post because Lois quoted it. I'm a bad bad skimmer... ~sigh~ You actually discussed your paranormal experiences with a therapist? Wow. You're braver than I am. More power to you. I ran away from the one I told that stuff to... what did she tell you? Lorelei.. I told a doctor I use to have the whole story.. and every time I went to see her she would walk in the examining room with " And how is the abductee today? I told her you may live to see something you don't know anything about but you remember what I have told you when that day comes.. I told her what I seen was bolts and nuts metal machine .. not some fantasy.. she never mentioned it again.. ;D I was trying to tell her I had brain damage and it may of been from a ufo. Well she never listen to me about my head either, it took a new doctor to put me in the MRI.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 1:15:57 GMT -6
Yea... that doctor was not a very nice lady for sure... I've had people talk down to me before like I'm a crazy person too. It irritates me to no end. ~hugz~
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 1:40:53 GMT -6
Lorelei..I think the 2012 thing..is attracting them..not the other way around. I think they're monitoring some event or events that are going to happen during this year. I have a strong feeling that we're nearing some happening that they are curious to witness. Maybe some 'shift' that causes the opening of a wormhole or some passageway that's been unavailable until now. I can't explain why..but the information is there in my head as when I give a reading. I think we'll have some answers this year. In some very strange way I think they've caused a 'connection' between people ( like the connection we had during the experiment we all did). We tapped into an energy source making individuals stronger. Typically of our race..if it takes effort we don't understand we don't pursue it..we want things to be printed out for us nice and easy to follow so we KNOW what we're doing. We miss a lot because of that. It's hard for us to strike out blindly and keep with it until we get results. If we don't see results immediately we sort of laugh at ourselves and turn the tv back on. Fact is..we are stronger together and I think in some way that's what they have been doing..tweaking those 'skills' in subjects toward a future purpose. Remains to be seen what the future purpose is..but it's coming..I think we all feel it and it makes us a little more edgy..anxious..excited. You guys feel it too...you just don't always discuss it because 'what if I'm just being silly' comes into play...not being secure with it. It's already started.
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Post by Steve on Nov 7, 2011 2:52:31 GMT -6
At the moment, I can suggest personally two hypnotherapists. One in California, and another in Cincinnati, Ohio. Both are female, one works for free (pro bono) on abduction cases, the other in Cincinnati I do not have information regarding her fee. I would expect something. I do not think health insurance will cover hypnotic sessions with a therapist. It might be buried under therapy counseling, but usually the provider will have to eventually make a diagnosis for the treatment plan submitted to the insurance company. They might call it smoking cessation treatments, but that would be improper, and doubt the provider would wish to risk that. Otherwise, out of pocket. Often they will work on a sliding scale. The Hills in 1964 had to pay Dr. Simon, and it was not cheap for his excellent service for the couple - Barney a post office employee and Betty a social worker for the state of New Hampshire. It was worth the expense to them. And also perhaps through the circumstances later how it become known to the public...despite the Hill's wishes for privacy, became perhaps worth it for the rest of us too. I can give you their contact information privately once I have their okay as a courtesy first. Both are experienced and work with abductees. They are particularly interested in abductee cases. There are many things you would need to consider first before you decide to begin. I can outline some of these, and these providers would too. In the discussions here, it is nice people would consider this. You seem to think I am an advocate of the notion aliens are friendly. Not so. It is inconsequential to me whether they are or not. I just want to provide a means to help so you can find out for yourselves whatever the case maybe. It might be empowering in coping with whatever may have occurred, even if any future abductions would likely not be able to be prevented. In an earlier abduction case I worked long on, the experiencers again have just reported unusual signs they recently may have had visitors once again. I have mentioned this case earlier under 'Steve's investigations'. In Han's sessions today, Han mentioned one disturbing, if not that surprising revelation about one of those two experiencers. Han has never made such a comment in previous sessions. Mary and I will have to silently wait and see. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Nov 7, 2011 8:58:22 GMT -6
How long does hypnosis normally take to bring out the actual memories of an abduction? I have read about some people who spent months trying to find out the truth and others who remembered the entire event after only one session. I have also read a lot of stories that I personally think are total phony baloney fantasy nonsense. Those are probably the ones that come out very quickly. I guess it would depend on the therapist and the patient as well though. I'm sure some are better than others. When the Hills were being hypnotized how long did it take for their memories to come out?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 10:20:29 GMT -6
Sky from all I've read..it depends on the individual. Some immediately (probably those like yourself who already have familiarity in facing it) and others take several sessions to 'unbury' it. A therapist has to be careful about 'leading' the subject. I have this feeling (me and my feelings) that if you managed to hypnotize every one here..there would be a contact in it. As Steve channels 'Han'..I think Lorelei would channel 'linewire' and there would be someone who would come forward for everyone. The internet is full of accounts of people who channel the Archangel Michael or Gabriel..or other angels...people who channel Nostradamus and Cayce. Maybe they are exactly who they say they are or maybe other entities playing games..I know they have been given information that is seldom accurate or that fails to happen. If it interests you..then try it..there may be someone like Steve's Mary who would try hypnosis over the phone and record your answers. I think my mind locked some doors awhile ago that I'm not sure I want to pry open..it could be worse than I think and I'm not ready to deal with worse. It seems important to you Sky.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 7, 2011 10:54:28 GMT -6
I'm just curious more than anything. I've come to terms with what happened and it doesn't bother me like it used to...but I would still like to know what is going on. That's just the way I am. I think that is one of the reasons why I am so interested in unsolved mysteries...anytime I see a mystery I want to solve it. I'm just really fascinated by all the things that we don't know about life and the universe, and whatever is causing these abductions is part of that. The answer is hiding somewhere...we just need to find it. Maybe the answer fell down in the cushions behind the couch... I'm going to go look!
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Post by Steve on Nov 7, 2011 12:56:25 GMT -6
It varies on the time. Two sessions each was enough for one couple in one case. The therapist felt the two for each was sufficient. Sufficient to expose the nature of what the missing time was, and begin to relieve the anxiety. For others one was done, but usually many things maybe left open and unexplored, several more were considered. It can depend on the willingness of the client to know, the degree the therapist in summing up all aspects is willing to remove blocks with the well being of the client in mind foremost. Some memory blocks maybe harder to remove, either by suggestion planted perhaps, or the degree the client feels they need to cling to a previously useful coping mechanism. Some memory blocks maybe deliberately left unexplored. The ability to be hypnotized is not an issue in the length of time. I would expect a number of sessions.
Multiple sessions may need to be done to approach cautiously, and importantly establish a trust. When we started the Han experiment, I had already been hypnotized several times, as demonstrations to understand better what was it like, and I already trusted the therapist at that point. Starting cold turkey, it would naturally take some time to establish something. Assuming the therapist feels it is appropriate to proceed. A number of considerations would need to be in place. In some mental conditions, hypnosis may not be advised. Other considerations is the emotional support system that exists for the client. Primarily in coping with what could be revealed. Sometimes spousal family considerations. It might hurt some marriages, for others, perhaps strengthen them. Strengthen through the understanding about what might be revealed.
Some wish to never know, and can live with bits and pieces. For others, if it was an unpleasant experience in which scattered memories linger, you can only begin to morn when you know the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 17:41:09 GMT -6
I think in the fullness of time..there will be no mystery's that need solving so better get em while they're hot...yeeeeee hah
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 20:00:03 GMT -6
"You actually discussed your paranormal experiences with a therapist? Wow. You're braver than I am. More power to you. I ran away from the one I told that stuff to... what did she tell you?" (from lorelei, above, to myself). No, I have never discussed paranormal experiences, ufos, or anything such with a therapist ) I believe I mentioned that when I went to see a "new" therapist to try and help me with my relationship with my former husband, SHE asked me some weird questions that I had no real clue what she was talking about. We talked about "energy" I seemed to have, and then dropped the subject. Much later, I thought about her few questions..... I expressed on the muffin forum (like that, steve!) that I once shared something (one thing) with a psychiatrist that was retiring. I had heard two ladies conversing outside my window one morning, and even with going outside shortly after, there was no one. He was very kind about it, and reassured me that I must have heard it. We talked about people having hallucinations at night when they are tired, and how I had just woke up from a night's rest, so...... I do have auditory "hallucinations". They usually mean something.....but sometimes I just hear singing or music out of no where. My son also heard music in our old house. I have had dream(s) where I seem to be trying to get away from men in white coats . Luckily, any time I have shared (minimal) experiences with any one, they have seemed to be interested, and also shared their life. I try not to lie or even embellish any part of my life. I started going to therapy/counselling as soon as I was able to drive myself there and pay for it. I had what I needed in material goods growing up, but other areas were seriously lacking. My mother for some reason, told several of her friends that I was a liar as a child. Maybe she was afraid. (?) Unbeknownst to me, my brother and sister have (had) problems with her also....but thats for another time. Thank you for listening
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