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Post by auntym on Feb 14, 2011 17:42:27 GMT -6
www.ghosttheory.com/2011/02/14/travel-channel-ghostly-lovers Travel Channel: Ghostly LoversSubmitted by Javier Ortega on February 14, 2011 You know, I used to read stories that involved a succubus or incubus and I always rolled my eyes. Then I became a little more “learned” and figured that these claims of spectral intercourse (for lack of a better term) could be attributed to sleep paralysis or could be the result of a hypnagogic experience. Then my world was flipped. I luckily came in contact with some of Doris Bither’s children. You know, the woman from The Entity? After spending a couple of years researching and digging the facts into the Doris Bither case, I have very strong feelings about spectral intercourse. I’m not saying that I believe that ghosts exists and have the abilities to do such things, but the case did open the door to many more questions. Could this all be strong psychokinetic forces at play? forces that are manipulated by an unconscious mind and that to some extent, manifest themselves through some psychosomatic act? TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by casper on Feb 23, 2011 12:31:13 GMT -6
Why do they always say everything is sleep paralysis?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 13:33:04 GMT -6
Why do they always say everything is sleep paralysis? Because it's the only "Scientific" explanation for such things. I call it that too because it makes me feel better... rationalizing.
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2011 19:43:05 GMT -6
Why do they always say everything is sleep paralysis? Because it's the only "Scientific" explanation for such things. I call it that too because it makes me feel better... rationalizing. I am a firm believer in science. Most of us maybe even alive because of it, I know I am. Yet, there are so many 'more things in heaven and Earth' we yet do not understand. Both the Universe surrounding us, and about ourselves in it. Even as much as some seem suspicious of science today playing with their Ipods, so much of our daily lives rely, even depend on science. The standard pat answer that it all must be sleep paralysis (again) is becoming the amusing shallow explanation for many conditions lately. The psychological equivalent to the scary centuries old discarded medical practice of 'bloodletting'. Fortunately with our continuing new knowledge of physiology, this practice has been abandoned. Hopefully new psychological knowledge will follow suit. The explanation that abduction experiences for instance are attributable to sleep paralysis ARE true many times. But other times, clearly not. Claims of Alien Abductions attributable to sleep paralysis while driving an automobile or walking to the store? Multiple abductions? I did not know sleep paralysis was contagious? In attempts in understanding the abduction phenomenon, (perhaps other possible psychosomatic experiences as well) I think most of the finest minds studying and investigating these questions are still so preliminary at present. Despite proud unsupported proclamations either way. As more is learned both about the human mind, and about our universe too, all this may one day come to pass, as perceptive questions and clues give way to true answers. Curiously lately many bombastic debunker's have been lambasting abduction researchers. Mufon too incredibly. Most of those debunker's are just as woefully inadequate in proving the phenomenon is not real, as are those who proclaim it is real. When you investigate the debunker's themselves, you learn quickly they have never even attempted to investigate anything, nor duplicate any of the tests or techniques used to either confirm or invalidate what they lazily criticize. I don't suppose Mufon has given up 'bloodletting' yet? Apparently not. Steve
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Post by paulette on Feb 23, 2011 20:48:50 GMT -6
Lorelei - Did you produce this? Was that or some of the images you??
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Post by lois on Feb 24, 2011 0:00:40 GMT -6
I never experience waking up and not able to move in my entire life... Everything I witness was never in a bedroom except for that altered mind state while I was doing my homework.. I assure you I was awake.. listening to music most of time. I played the latest hits as I did my homework .
When this occurred, I shot out of my room and down the stairs to my Mothers room.. It usually stopped by this time.. I think it was the ending of an abduction.. speculation, I cannot prove it. But hey would be watching tv downstairs and when I would run down to them , they were always fast asleep. I neve had a clock in my bedroom..
Steve . yes when more is learned about the human mind..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 5:39:54 GMT -6
Lorelei - Did you produce this? Was that or some of the images you?? No, I'm not that talented paulette... This was done by a group called "Evanescence". I found it on youtube. Sorry for the confusion, I should have mentioned that, huh? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 5:58:22 GMT -6
Steve: Well said. I have an idea about people being abducted from their cars while driving... ROAD HYPNOSIS which then later leads to SLEEP PARALYSIS!!! ... Anyone think this is a good hypothesis? ... No? ... Darn. I tried... ~smirk~ @ Lois: When you and your friend both experienced missing time while driving and ended up on a completely different road completely rules out road hypnosis as a possible explanation. How can TWO people both suffer from it at the same time? I suppose it IS possible however... any debunker will say this... thankfully I have never experienced something as frightening as that... I would hate to have to tell my boss, "Sorry I'm two hours late for work, I was abducted by aliens on my way in. Please don't fire me..." That would suck...
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Post by lois on Feb 24, 2011 13:48:47 GMT -6
anna. WE heard those beeps before hand, I know that played the major part. We could of got killed, why drop a car right into traffic, what if our memories did not return at that split second?
I hate to think about it..She was scared to death to turn the key back on after we stopped. We took a side road back into town. We must of sat there an hour..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 15:45:54 GMT -6
anna. WE heard those beeps before hand, I know that played the major part. We could of got killed, why drop a car right into traffic, what if our memories did not return at that split second? I hate to think about it..She was scared to death to turn the key back on after we stopped. We took a side road back into town. We must of sat there an hour.. I believe you Lois. I was just trying to mock the debunker people because that's what they would say. What I think probably happened is they put you into an altered state of consciousness similar to hypnosis, took you and did whatever they did, then they put you back in your car and made you drive. After you had been driving for awhile, you gradually woke up and suddenly realized where you were. I think you actually drove there yourself. That happens to me when I sleep-walk all the time, that's why I think that is what happened... I don't remember what I do when I sleepwalk, but everyone tells me that I was the one who was moving around. I wasn't moved by someone else... One person getting road hypnosis is one thing... but two people in the same vehicle? Very strange. I really don't think that that is what happened to you and your friend... it must have been something else. ~hugs~
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Post by casper on Feb 25, 2011 8:56:53 GMT -6
I have never heard of anybody being hypnotized by a road. I know people fall asleep all the time. Truck drivers do sometimes because they have to stay awake all night long waiting for some stupid warehouse to load their truck. I see trucks in the ditch everyday because they fell asleep and ran off the road the night before. I hope I don't ever do that. Then I really would be a ghost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 12:33:03 GMT -6
I have never heard of anybody being hypnotized by a road. I know people fall asleep all the time. Truck drivers do sometimes because they have to stay awake all night long waiting for some stupid warehouse to load their truck. I see trucks in the ditch everyday because they fell asleep and ran off the road the night before. I hope I don't ever do that. Then I really would be a ghost. LOL Casper. Here's an article about "Highway Hypnosis". I guess us Alaskans call it something different than the rest of people... ~shrug~ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosisI almost got road hypnosis last night because the snow was coming down so heavy it looked like I was driving through hyperspace in the star wars movies in the dark... yea it was scary.
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Post by lois on Feb 25, 2011 13:55:26 GMT -6
For twenty years I've watch this debunker. Who runs a scientific dream and brain lab. Everytime there was an abduction, they put him on TV, mostly with Budds reports over the years.. He makes me sick, his answer is always highway hypnosis..Or something pressing on the temporal lobs.
Budd and Mack would tell him half the abduction is not at a wheel of a car.. I will try and find this guy..
The people he used would come out of the dream lab and tell how they seen aliens.. Those people were told to say this. I'm sure.. by pressure on the temporal lobs..
Some of it is true in some cases maybe. but the pressure on a lob is nonsense..
Lois
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 16:01:46 GMT -6
I hear ya Lois. I hear ya.
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Post by casper on Feb 26, 2011 22:16:42 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 0:37:14 GMT -6
Ive seen ufos since I was four years old and many times having missing time. But I never experienced Sleep paralysis. Even my encounter with the unknown in my room doing homework I never felt paralysis.. as I have said I was not sleep..If an alien ever walked or floated into my room in the middle of the night I was never aware of it once.. Sometimes I would feel I was being watched..I have never woke up at any time feeling this way aliens or no aliens..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:45:45 GMT -6
I've never experienced it either Lois. I guess we are just not fashionable LOL
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Post by skywalker on Feb 27, 2011 11:50:36 GMT -6
I was paralyzed when that beam of light picked me up out of my bed, but that ain't sleep paralysis...not unless people can sleep levitate also.
Is there actually any scientific proof that such a thing as sleep paralysis really occurs or did they just make that up as a convenient theory to explain away ghosts and UFO sightings?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 14:06:02 GMT -6
I have never heard of anybody being hypnotized by a road. I know people fall asleep all the time. Truck drivers do sometimes because they have to stay awake all night long waiting for some stupid warehouse to load their truck. I see trucks in the ditch everyday because they fell asleep and ran off the road the night before. I hope I don't ever do that. Then I really would be a ghost. I believe in them too casper. I know what I saw when I was a child, and I know the two UFOs I saw too... But I don't want to believe in them because of how scared they made me feel when I saw them. I don't want to believe in them because of the stories I've heard. I don't want to believe in them because so many people in the world do not believe in them. And yet I know they exist... because I have seen them... Whether they were a hallucination... a bad episode of sleep-paralysis... or real-live beings... I still saw them... and that is important evidence to my perspective. Sleep paralysis IS real though. I know it is because I experience it more often than I would like to. I have ever since I can remember... thankfully I've not had it in awhile. Whether it is caused by the aliens, spirits, gods, or whatever... it does happen... and it happens to ME. It is paralysis which occurs during sleep, so it is sleep paralysis. ~shrug~ Whatever the cause is... it happens. ~folds her arms across her chest and nods~ But I like to think it's a brain chemical problem like my hypnotherapist said. It makes me feel better to think about it that way...
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Post by skywalker on Feb 27, 2011 14:17:15 GMT -6
Interesting...If you keep having it then it must be real. Maybe it's kind of like sleep-walking except the opposite...instead of getting up and walking around people just freeze instead. Perhaps there is a psychological explanation? I suppose I could look it up on this computer thingy since I am sitting here in front of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 14:20:57 GMT -6
Interesting...If you keep having it then it must be real. Maybe it's kind of like sleep-walking except the opposite...instead of getting up and walking around people just freeze instead. Perhaps there is a psychological explanation? I suppose I could look it up on this computer thingy since I am sitting here in front of it. That is EXACTLY what the hypnotherapist told me sky!! Very good deduction Mister Holmes! He said, "Do you know anything about brain chemicals?" I said yes I knew a bit about them. Seratonin... Melatonin.. Norepenephrin... etc... He said that one particular brain chemical was responsible for both sleep paralysis AND sleepwalking. He also said that it is really weird that I experience both sleep problems because sleep paralysis indicates TOO MUCH of that chemical, and sleep walking indicates NOT ENOUGH of that chemical. It's weird that I have BOTH problems. His own words, and I presume he knows what he is talking about...
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Post by casper on Feb 27, 2011 21:07:13 GMT -6
Is the hypnotherapist a docter? I guess he is because he is a therapist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 2:22:46 GMT -6
Is the hypnotherapist a docter? I guess he is because he is a therapist. I don't know if he's a doctor or not. He is a master hypnotist and a physicist though. I'm not sure if he has a doctorate in either or both fields. ~shrug~ He does seem to know a lot about the human mind however... and I believe he knows what he is talking about.
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Post by lois on Feb 28, 2011 23:49:34 GMT -6
lorelei........ Do you know of anyone else he has regressed who has witness a ufo? I don't think they could make my mind change at all no matter what they did to me. It takes me hours to fall asleep, I'm never relaxed.. My Mother could not be hypnotize.. I take a pill under a prescription, to help me go to sleep at night, I can never fall asleep during the day either, if I'm up all night, I have to wait till the next night to go to sleep again..I sit here at this computer trying to type some nights with no sleep for three days sometimes.. I have more typing errors because of it.. What do they say to you to hypnotize you.. Do they swing something back and forth in front of your eyes like in the motion pictures ?? lol .. I had a brain wave done on me years ago. They wanted me to sleep for awhile during this test. Ha.. I never got so bored. They had wires on my head. I layed there a whole hour before she came back into the room. She had turned out the lights, thinking that would help.. I closed my eyes but nothing happen . I always say to my husband how does closing your eyes help you go to sleep. It does not work for me. My brain will fall asleep reading sometimes, but I'm almost asleep when I put the book down. lol Lois
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Post by lois on Feb 28, 2011 23:54:12 GMT -6
Someone should put a thread on the forum for Insomnia.. I would like to see what replies it gets. Maybe under General Discussions or dream thread..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 4:13:20 GMT -6
lorelei........ Do you know of anyone else he has regressed who has witness a ufo? All I know is he said he's had people come to him with similar experiences. ~shrug~ That's just what he said. I don't think they could make my mind change at all no matter what they did to me. It takes me hours to fall asleep, I'm never relaxed.. My Mother could not be hypnotize.. I take a pill under a prescription, to help me go to sleep at night, I can never fall asleep during the day either, if I'm up all night, I have to wait till the next night to go to sleep again..I sit here at this computer trying to type some nights with no sleep for three days sometimes.. I have more typing errors because of it.. We all have typing errors honey. It happens. I have prescription pills too... but I only take them when I need them. Brand new prescription... I've only had it for a month. I seem to go through these phases where I'll sleep fine for a couple of weeks, then I won't be able to sleep for three or four days. It's weird... What do they say to you to hypnotize you.. Do they swing something back and forth in front of your eyes like in the motion pictures ?? lol .. LOL Lois... No. You just lie there and close your eyes and relax and he talks to you and like with me, he started with my toes and told me to relax my toes, and he moved his way all the way up to the top of my head. Just relaxation and repetitive monotone voice puts you into a trance I guess. ~shrug~ No pendulum ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 4:17:57 GMT -6
One of my regular customers came into the store today... an older African American lady. She's really nice, I like her a lot.
I'm trying to remember how the conversation started... now I can't remember... Oh... I think she was saying something about how tired she was and how she had trouble sleeping and I told her to try some melatonin because it helps me sometimes. She said she would.
Then, as she was walking out the doorway she mentioned "the nightmares kept me awake too sometimes... but I don't have to worry about THOSE anymore..."
My ears perked up and I said, "I COMPLETELY understand what you mean by that! I have nightmares too..."
She stopped, turned her cart back around and parked it next to the register and proceeded to tell me about an "incubus" who had been visiting her almost every night for a long long time, and about how a girlfriend of hers from church taught her a special prayer to say before bed to keep it from happening again. She said after she did the prayer before bedtime, the nightmares stopped.
What she described sounded to me like the sleep paralysis nightmares I get. She would wake up paralyzed and feel someone pushing down on the corner of the bed and bounce it up and down. I've experienced that before too...
~shrug~
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