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Post by skywalker on Dec 27, 2011 22:04:21 GMT -6
Does anybody know anything about Gypsies? I just heard from one of my relatives that my ancestors who originally lived in Hungary were Gypsies. I don't really know much about them other than the typical Hollywood stereotype that shows the people travelling around in an old wagon putting on shows with young dancing girls and an old woman telling fortunes with a crystal ball. I'm sure that is probably more myth than reality. The fortune telling would be kind of interesting if it were true. That might explain where these weird psychic abilities come from. Maybe they are passed down from generation to generation. Maybe all of the Gypsies had them which is why they were fortune-tellers...if they really were. I dunno. Wikipedia is worthless when it comes to info on Gypsies. It says practically nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 22:41:58 GMT -6
Gypsies were like circus carnies. They were also thieves. Everyone hated them in Europe and discriminated against them. They were often victims of violent crime. An entire race of people was hated. They lived their lives on the road continuously putting on shows for everyone and figuring out ways to con people out of their hard earned money.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 27, 2011 22:49:29 GMT -6
That figures...
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Post by skywalker on Dec 27, 2011 22:51:35 GMT -6
Apparently this would be like my family's theme song...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 2:47:43 GMT -6
My great great uncle was Robert E. Lee... or was it great great great uncle? ~shrug~ I forgot. I remember at the university one of the other students' last name was "Lee" and the professor asked him (during roll-call) if he was related to Robert E. Lee. The student said, "No." Then he finally came to my name. I said "I'm here, and I AM related to Robert E. Lee." Everyone turned around to stare at me and the professor laughed... lol... he wasn't expecting that because of my last name you see. Shh... I'm listed on the official website for him as one of his relatives. ~smirk~ Robert E. Lee ? My fiance is a direct descendent of Ulysses S. Grant,,,lol ;D Im related to a famous outlaw from the old west but because I still carry the last name and my son carries his full name, I wont disclose publicly ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 6:43:11 GMT -6
lol Cliff... ~hugz~
It's a wonder the two of us get along so well... hehehe... you *darn* Yankee!!!
~smirk~
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Post by paulette on Dec 28, 2011 10:22:19 GMT -6
Does anybody know anything about Gypsies? I just heard from one of my relatives that my ancestors who originally lived in Hungary were Gypsies. I don't really know much about them other than the typical Hollywood stereotype that shows the people travelling around in an old wagon putting on shows with young dancing girls and an old woman telling fortunes with a crystal ball. I'm sure that is probably more myth than reality. The fortune telling would be kind of interesting if it were true. That might explain where these weird psychic abilities come from. Maybe they are passed down from generation to generation. Maybe all of the Gypsies had them which is why they were fortune-tellers...if they really were. I dunno. Gypsies may have come all the way across Europe from India. the Tarot cards (and later the derived playing cards) may have come with them. They were nomadic (and still are) in a world that was becoming settled and the land claimed and owned. Much like First Nations in North America, most of them did not assimilate (nor were they invited to). I saw a documentary on the Romany in Italy - they were living in shacks and squalor outside a town. No water, no electricity...lots of kids. The children generally do not attend school (and again, they are actively discriminated against so that's part of it). Alcoholism (in the males) is usual. The women have lots of kids and house hold tasks to do (like still carrying water and finding something to burn). Because they keep to themselves, outsiders do not know much about them and their oral histories. They are known for thieving and conning but they also are known as excellent horses breeders and handlers and as musicians. Think rural flamenco music of Spain. The promise of fortune telling must have been delivered on enough that people continued to go to them over the years. A group of people that is denied a place to live with services and labeled as unteachable generally deteriorates. If suddenly the grid were to go down and many of us were displaced and on the road, we might live similar lives - dirty at times, taking what one needs at times, taking what pleaure is available at times. Wikipedia is worthless when it comes to info on Gypsies. It says practically nothing.
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Post by paulette on Dec 28, 2011 10:25:29 GMT -6
Does anybody know anything about Gypsies? I just heard from one of my relatives that my ancestors who originally lived in Hungary were Gypsies. I don't really know much about them other than the typical Hollywood stereotype that shows the people travelling around in an old wagon putting on shows with young dancing girls and an old woman telling fortunes with a crystal ball. I'm sure that is probably more myth than reality. The fortune telling would be kind of interesting if it were true. That might explain where these weird psychic abilities come from. Maybe they are passed down from generation to generation. Maybe all of the Gypsies had them which is why they were fortune-tellers...if they really were. I dunno. Wikipedia is worthless when it comes to info on Gypsies. It says practically nothing. Gypsies may have come all the way across Europe from India. the Tarot cards (and later the derived playing cards) may have come with them. They were nomadic (and still are) in a world that was becoming settled and the land claimed and owned. Much like First Nations in North America, most of them did not assimilate (nor were they invited to). I saw a documentary on the Romany in Italy - they were living in shacks and squalor outside a town. No water, no electricity...lots of kids. The children generally do not attend school (and again, they are actively discriminated against so that's part of it). Alcoholism (in the males) is usual. The women have lots of kids and house hold tasks to do (like still carrying water and finding something to burn). Because they keep to themselves, outsiders do not know much about them and their oral histories. They are known for thieving and conning but they also are known as excellent horses breeders and handlers and as musicians. Think rural flamenco music of Spain. The promise of fortune telling must have been delivered on enough that people continued to go to them over the years. A group of people that is denied a place to live with services and labeled as unteachable generally deteriorates. If suddenly the grid were to go down and many of us were displaced and on the road, we might live similar lives - dirty at times, taking what one needs at times, taking what pleasure is available at times.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 10:49:49 GMT -6
Gypsies didn't escape the holocaust as Hitler killed thousands of them which is one reason so many ended up over here..escaping that. They're very family oriented but modern Gypsies over here don't have the best of reputations. Today's Gypsies are into home repair (especially if you don't need it) and shoplifting skills. They're very colorful Sky My ancestors include, Clyde Barrow (the bank robber), the James brothers (the bank robbers) a couple of knights and a Scottish Earl (cool three coats of arms I'll never use) and a Sioux Indian chief. Dang Sky..we should get together..pick pockets and bank robbers.. ;D French, Scottish, American Indian, Irish and English. That's pretty much the typical stew that came over here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 11:37:32 GMT -6
My great great uncle was Robert E. Lee... or was it great great great uncle? ~shrug~ I forgot. I remember at the university one of the other students' last name was "Lee" and the professor asked him (during roll-call) if he was related to Robert E. Lee. The student said, "No." Then he finally came to my name. I said "I'm here, and I AM related to Robert E. Lee." Everyone turned around to stare at me and the professor laughed... lol... he wasn't expecting that because of my last name you see. Shh... I'm listed on the official website for him as one of his relatives. ~smirk~ Robert E. Lee ? My fiance is a direct descendent of Ulysses S. Grant,,,lol ;D Im related to a famous outlaw from the old west but because I still carry the last name and my son carries his full name, I wont disclose publicly ;D Ah Ha! Touched and I's families DO know each other. His family lived right by my "Aunt Janie" at Lake Pomme de Terre. ;D Don't worry, touched, I won't reveal . "Aunt Janie" is my dads little sister. My dads side of the family is the "fun", no secrets side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 11:44:10 GMT -6
Gypsies didn't escape the holocaust as Hitler killed thousands of them which is one reason so many ended up over here..escaping that. They're very family oriented but modern Gypsies over here don't have the best of reputations. Today's Gypsies are into home repair (especially if you don't need it) and shoplifting skills. There are books about modern gypsies in the public library. Someone bothered to live among them freely here in North America and found out they are "alive and well". Try looking up "Roma" .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 12:24:28 GMT -6
I have red blonde hair and green eyes, and do I mean green Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=441&page=1#ixzz1hqyQIQznAs I've said before, I was born with, and have rather dark hair roots, but my hair turns red in the sun . My eyes are very green. My family history on both sides is very documented (papers in family drawers), except for the history of my maternal grandfather (?). From him (and my great aunts, my grandmothers' sisters) are only "stories" . That's where being a "Finn" comes from. The documented part shows that we haven't been here that long and that we settled in Virginia. My moms family changed their last name. My dad's family name and my maiden name comes straight from England. With Ireland in that heritage. I also can't tell you who I'm related to that's "famous" in the USA. It would "give away" my maiden name, and I'm not wanting to go that public. Yet. (It is NOT a political figure/last name. Whew!) One last truly weird bit of information. The men I have ever been "serious" about, and even married, have been "true bloods". By this I mean, as near to full-blooded 'whatever' their family is, and could be in this day and age. Makes me think twice about the supposed "alien love-bite". . . touched mentions his fiance'. Anyone else care to share? . . .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 16:05:57 GMT -6
Robert E. Lee ? My fiance is a direct descendent of Ulysses S. Grant,,,lol ;D Im related to a famous outlaw from the old west but because I still carry the last name and my son carries his full name, I wont disclose publicly ;D Ah Ha! Touched and I's families DO know each other. His family lived right by my "Aunt Janie" at Lake Pomme de Terre. ;D Don't worry, touched, I won't reveal . "Aunt Janie" is my dads little sister. My dads side of the family is the "fun", no secrets side. ;D I knew once you had mentioned "Denny's Triangle" and "Lake Pomme De terre "and the fact that you had family there that they must know each other ! Small town,,,,, small world
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Post by skywalker on Dec 29, 2011 11:41:46 GMT -6
Im related to a famous outlaw from the old west but because I still carry the last name and my son carries his full name, I wont disclose publicly ;D He was one of the most deadly outlaws around too. Let's hope your son doesn't carry on the family tradition.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 29, 2011 11:59:40 GMT -6
I signed up with ancestry.com to try to find out more about my ancestors. So far I'm not having much luck. I can't seem to get past my grandparents. I know that my great grandfather on my father's side is the one who immigrated over from Hungary during WW1. He had eight sons and seven of them had been drafted into the war. The last one who was 12 was about to be drafted so my great grandfather left behind everything they owned and immigrated to America so he could save the life of his last remaining child.
I haven't been able to find out anything about him though. Nobody in my family even knows what his real name was. He supposedly changed the spelling of it when he came into the country.
I wish I would have known more about the history of my grandfather and great grandfather when they were still alive. There are so many things I would have loved to ask them about. Unfortunately my family moved away to a different state when I was very young and I only saw my grandparents one time after that, and only for a few hours as they were passing through town.
I hate to admit it but I kind of envy you people who know so much of your family's history. I've studied history all my life but I can't even find out anything about my own history. I guess gypsies don't leave much of a paper trail behind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 13:05:23 GMT -6
Im related to a famous outlaw from the old west but because I still carry the last name and my son carries his full name, I wont disclose publicly ;D He was one of the most deadly outlaws around too. Let's hope your son doesn't carry on the family tradition. Lol . - Fortunately, like me,,,my son has never been in trouble with the law except for a recent traffic violation he got. Ive never even had a ticket,,,yet . (I was lucky in my younger days). ;D After doing alot of research in the past of my ( outlaw ancestor), I realized that though he was dangerous, most of his killings were self defense,except for at least one --He tried to wake the guy up by shooting through the floor but ended up killing the guy,,,bad mistake on his part. Very unfortunate. It upset a very famous marshall in town who was friends with him. Another famous outlaw that I can somewhat justify with his actions was Jesse James. The way the Union soldiers hung his dad rendering him mentally incapacitated while 5 union soldiers whipped little Jesse (with a whip) as they were trying to find out the location of his older brother Frank sent him over the edge. I dont blame him at all for his actions of seeking vengeance against the north.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 13:40:00 GMT -6
"I know that my great grandfather on my father's side is the one who immigrated over from Hungary during WW1. " Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=441&page=2#20599#ixzz1hxALCrirIt seems your family hasn't been here long, either. And, changed the family last name. I can't imagine how hard life must have been through those times. And touched, what a legacy. Justifiable killing. Kill or be killed. "Union soldiers" sounds so faceless. Desperately living a "haunted life". I'm using those fragmented sentences again (my run-on sentences could be worse). I'm fairly sure that every gang had at least one member that was always going off half-cocked, but how many more of those types do we have today? Never even a speeding ticket, touched?? I'm impressed! ;D
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Post by skywalker on Dec 29, 2011 13:41:33 GMT -6
Jesse James and a lot of the other post civil war outlaws were fighting against abuses that were being committed by the government during reconstruction. That's why a lot of people consider them to be heros rather than villains. The same thing happened again in the 1920s and 30s when the government once again started to expand and abuse its power. I'm waiting anxiously for the new crop of anti-government outlaws to show up.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 29, 2011 17:50:43 GMT -6
I just found an interesting link about Gypsies. The article kind of makes gypsies sound like the typical Hollywood stereotype...like they were a bunch of crystal ball gazing con-artists. www.goodmagic.com/carny/gypsies.htm
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Post by skywalker on Dec 29, 2011 18:01:19 GMT -6
I just thought of something. My ancestors supposedly were gypsies, and gypsies were supposedly people who spend their entire lives traveling around from place to place and being constantly on the road. Here I am working as a truck driver and what do I do? I spend all of my time traveling around from place to place and constantly being on the road. My father was also a truck driver who spent his entire life traveling around from place to place and constantly being on the road. I'm not sure what kind of work my grandfather did but I know that when he retired he bought an old bus and fixed it up like an RV and spent the rest of his life traveling around from place to place and constantly being on the road. Is it just me or does anybody else see a pattern here?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 23:35:38 GMT -6
I was actually thinking about that when you originally posted about being descended from gypsies... but I didn't know about your father and grandfather...
That IS interesting...
~sings Ramblin' Man and smirks~
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 11:38:59 GMT -6
It's in the blood they say..the need to wander.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 30, 2011 18:45:17 GMT -6
I wonder if that is something genetic or just a learned behavior? Did the gypsy people travel because they had an instinctive need to travel, or was it something they just grew up doing so they kept doing it? My grandfather could have heard the stories my great grandfather told and that could have made him want to travel...my dad could have become a truck driver because he heard the stories about traveling from his father...I could have started wanting to travel because I used to ride with my dad in the truck sometimes when I was just a little dude. I dunno...
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