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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 16:10:35 GMT -6
Travis Walton: 20/20 Interview/ 1979
Uploaded by RRRGroup2 on Feb 27, 2012 A serious 20/20 interview with Travis Walton, who appears rational and authentic, which includes an "explanation" by Dr,.Michael Persinger who thinks Mr. Walton's experience was induced electromagnetically. I guess I have to give this scientist guy credit for trying at least ;D
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Post by auntym on Apr 13, 2012 12:01:25 GMT -6
Travis Walton and witnesses talk famous alien abduction [/color] Published on Apr 13, 2012 by openmindstv For more than 36 years, the Travis Walton abduction story has been told countless times through film, print and presentations. Now two eyewitnesses who were present the night of the abduction, are stepping forward to tell their side of the story. For the first time since the incident, more than 36 years ago, Travis Walton, John Goulette, and Steve Pierce were reunited at the 2012 International UFO Congress. Producer Lori Wagner of Digital Films in San Diego and Regression Therapist Yvonne Smith sat down and interviewed all three. They have shared their interviews with Open Minds, and during the conference, in these interviews Goulette and Pierce reveal much of what they personally went through directly after that night, and what their lives have entailed since. That night, they observed the blinding light, sensed the beating pulse, and felt the fear that comes from seeing your friend and co-worker disappear before your eyes. What followed was a stream of disbelief and accusations from law enforcement and the local community. Even after passing lie detector tests, these men's lives have continually been harassed. John Goulette eventually moved out of town, put the memory aside, and went on with his life. Steve Pierce was pressured repeatedly by UFO skeptic Phil Klass to take a bribe and say the whole incident was a hoax. After showing the film made about the event to his daughter, she encouraged him to come forward with his story. The Travis Walton story has stayed consistent and exact for more than 36 years. Now, with additional eyewitness testimony to back up his claim, his amazing ordeal will hopefully be seen with less skepticism, and his journey for the truth appreciated. store.openminds.tv/travis-walton-w-john-goulette-steve-pierce-presents...
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 13, 2012 12:12:49 GMT -6
I listened to the 3 of them on C2C awhile back and they sound very sincere and well, leery still of what they say. It has to be an uncomfortable topic. All these 'men' scared out of their wits enough to just flee the scene with their buddy left behind and with what they saw...must have been a traumatic moment for all of them. It's good to be able to see many angles and perspectives in a case. That's why I think this one is so strong.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 13, 2012 20:28:38 GMT -6
I have always believed the Walton case also. Seven people who tell the same story and pass lie detecter tests can't all be wrong.
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Post by auntym on Jun 19, 2012 11:45:05 GMT -6
Update: Travis Walton UFO incident witness Steve Pierce [/color]
Published on Jun 19, 2012 by openmindstv
Recently Steve Pierce spoke with Open Minds and gave what he said would be his final interview related to the 1975 Travis Walton UFO incident. Since then an outpouring of encouragement has come from his supporters and friends. Realizing how vital his story is, Steve has made the decision to continue to speak out about what he had witnessed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 13:52:04 GMT -6
I received another e-mail from Travis recently and I again want to thank him for his reply and taking the time to read about the experience that happened to me many years ago. I know that each of these men see life differently now after the experience they each encountered, especially Travis.
After witnessing and being a part of an encounter such as this it gives a person a different mindset . Even when we look up at the stars,,, its just not the same anymore. Something seems to have been given,,and something else seems to have been taken away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 13:55:29 GMT -6
I received another e-mail from Travis recently and I again want to thank him for his reply and taking the time to read about the experience that happened to me many years ago. I know that each of these men see life differently now after the experience they each encountered, especially Travis. After witnessing and being a part of an encounter such as this it gives a person a different mindset . Even when we look up at the stars,,, its just not the same anymore. Something seems to have been given,,and something else seems to have been taken away. Wow. Next time you send him an e-mail tell him Lorelei says ~hugz and smoochiez~ ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 15:20:47 GMT -6
;D I Wish I knew him better ,,,he seems like a good dude . Too bad we can't get him to come visit the forum . That would be cool !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 16:07:08 GMT -6
I imagine he doesn't put himself into situations of having to defend himself. Kind of the pits
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 16:32:34 GMT -6
I imagine he doesn't put himself into situations of having to defend himself. Kind of the pits If he were to come here he'd have an amazon to defend him... and she would hug him and squeeze him and call him George... er... Travis...
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Post by lois on Jun 19, 2012 21:08:22 GMT -6
I have a tape of Travis on a afternoon talk show, from years back. I really felt sorry for him and still do every time I play it. They had four others on this show telling there experiences.
The audience seem to care less about what they were saying. Most of them witness a light in the sky, end of their experience. Travis was last to speak. He tried to convey what he witness was more than a light in the sky. He told how it shot out a beam. The audience never did seem to believe any of the witnesses. I knew where he was coming from as at that time no one had given me a serious reply to my experience. Travis's case was the first case that I learned of after what had happen to me. He more or less keep me afloat. Had his story not of came out in the newspapers I would of had to wait til I read Budd's intruders. One month was a long time for me then, years would of been unbearable.
So still today when these debunkers step forward on Travis's case I do get very angry. Like the stupid Nephew of his. I will stop here as I don't even like to be reminded but it is a topic here on the forum and I will always be one who sticks up for him. ....
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Post by lois on Jun 19, 2012 21:12:31 GMT -6
Note.. I keep yelling at the TV. "you tell them Travis". It was like he could speak out like I always wanted to do but knew I would never get the chance like he has. He was telling it for me is how I felt.
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Post by lois on Jun 19, 2012 21:22:28 GMT -6
Touched , would rather never to be given so nothing could of been taken away? That is one big question I have never been able to answer.. Believe me after all the H#%% one lives with you are not so sure. I seems the person would rather of kept what he lost. And forget the reality he has to deal with.
Why is that? Why is that? Why is that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 23:13:01 GMT -6
~hugz Lois~ Because it's hard to deal with...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 0:57:00 GMT -6
His case was unique..not a remembered later thing..but a this happened to me yesterday...thing. He was terribly brave to come forward and I can't imagine very many honest folk who wouldn't much rather have skipped the introduction to alien 101 I would so much rather not have my memories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 18:12:16 GMT -6
And then you have people like me, that get flashes of memories and don't know quite how to fit the pieces together (all the time).
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Post by lois on Jun 20, 2012 20:37:56 GMT -6
Jo, I did not think Travis remembered so much at the time it happen. His brother was on our news telling how he was gone for five days and only a few things could he remember. Five days is a very long time. In the movie which showed him in this hive like dark place I do not believe it. Travis never told this once. He did remember seeing the two beings he referred to as humans and the screen with the heavens on it. Was there more? He remembered coming out of it and was surrounded by creatures. He never mentioned any test in the beginning either. Unless after years more came back to him. I thought Travis was regressed. Maybe not. I always thought he was.
Did they keep him knock out so to speak all the five days or was it just wipe cleaned from his mind. I can't imagine anyone being aboard and awake all this time.. He would of went to pieces for sure. Time you do not know how to perceive maybe aboard a ship, what seemed like a few hours was somehow made into days for us. The aliens say they do not measure time, according to lot of witnesses in early cases I have read. I'm trying to think of an early tape I have of him which I taped from the TV. Seems like he did not tell much at all then. I may of missed something along the way as time passed after his encounter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 22:00:26 GMT -6
Jo, I did not think Travis remembered so much at the time it happen. His brother was on our news telling how he was gone for five days and only a few things could he remember. Five days is a very long time. In the movie which showed him in this hive like dark place I do not believe it. Travis never told this once. He did remember seeing the two beings he referred to as humans and the screen with the heavens on it. Was there more? He remembered coming out of it and was surrounded by creatures. He never mentioned any test in the beginning either. Unless after years more came back to him. I thought Travis was regressed. Maybe not. I always thought he was. Did they keep him knock out so to speak all the five days or was it just wipe cleaned from his mind. I can't imagine anyone being aboard and awake all this time.. He would of went to pieces for sure. Time you do not know how to perceive maybe aboard a ship, what seemed like a few hours was somehow made into days for us. The aliens say they do not measure time, according to lot of witnesses in early cases I have read. I'm trying to think of an early tape I have of him which I taped from the TV. Seems like he did not tell much at all then. I may of missed something along the way as time passed after his encounter. I thought he was hypnotized too... maybe I read that wrong... I wish Travis would come here personally and tell us what happened so we'd know for sure... but I doubt he will and I can't say I blame him to be honest... poor guy... Travis, if you're reading this... ~hugz~
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Post by lois on Jun 26, 2012 21:24:12 GMT -6
I received another e-mail from Travis recently and I again want to thank him for his reply and taking the time to read about the experience that happened to me many years ago. I know that each of these men see life differently now after the experience they each encountered, especially Travis. After witnessing and being a part of an encounter such as this it gives a person a different mindset . Even when we look up at the stars,,, its just not the same anymore. Something seems to have been given,,and something else seems to have been taken away. I do know Cliff, people who were never interested in looking at the stars sure sit up and take notice at night since they had their experience. I'm sure just from reading your post you are one who has always been interested in sky watching. I was also at a very early age. No one around me as a child ever look at the sky at night. Too busy playing hide and seek in the dark. The words just came to me and I don't know what they mean.. All hollyhocks in free. ;D ;D ever heard that term in hide and seek?? I guess maybe you would have to be a lot older. I was watching the skies the night I had my missing time and green beam experience. . Do they contact people whom are interested in skywatching maybe? It is nice that Travis gave you a reply. He must have thousand sending him messages and telling him what happen to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 15:46:15 GMT -6
Ive been skywatching all my life ever since I can 1st remember anything. I started learning the names of the stars and constellations since about age 12. It was just last night that Kelly and I laid a blanket out in the backyard watching meteors overhead. She kept turning away right before one missing them everytime,lol. ;D Ive heard that term Lois in the game of hide and seek. In California we were playing it and my brother ran past me to slide into base because I was "it" at the time . As he was sliding in past me he slid into the side of our brick home and his knees hit the bricks. He knocked one brick completely out with his knee and loosened another. He was in agony as he lay there with both of his knees badly messed up. My dad, being an ex paramedic and firefighter in Austin Texas, reset his knees right there on the spot before taking him to the hospital. He has had knee problems all his life but if it wouldn't have been for dad I think it would have been much worse. As for Travis Walton, I have e-mailed him twice now and both times he sent brief replies. I thought it was nice of him to do so. I felt compelled to share the experience I had involving the greys and to let him know that it is very much appreciated letting the world know the truth concerning this phenomena. I doubt I'll e-mail him too much in the future though because I know he's a very busy man.
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Post by auntym on Jul 29, 2012 12:00:02 GMT -6
kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2012/07/steve-pierce-and-travis-walton.htmlSaturday, July 28, 2012
Steve Pierce and Travis Walton and Philip Klass[/color] by KRandle Several months ago the story that Philip Klass had attempted to bribe one of the witnesses to the Travis Walton abduction made its rounds. I took a somewhat middle of the road stance, suggesting that I could believe that Klass might attempt something like that, but that the evidence for it was rather thin. I now have additional information. Steve PierceThere were, in essence, two people who know the truth about this. One, Philip Klass is dead and the other, Steve Pierce had not been readily available for comment. However, on July 1, 2012, at the Roswell UFO Festival, I had the chance to sit down with Steve and get his side of the story. What follows is what he told me then. Although my real interest in this was Steve’s interaction with Phil Klass, he did tell me part of the story from his perspective as one of the wood cutters in the truck driven by Mike Rogers. They had seen a bright light and thought it was something that hunters in the area had set up. It was a solid light and a very bright white. One of them, Alan Dalis, thought that it was a spaceship. Travis, outside the truck, began to walk toward it with everyone yelling for him to come back. A beam of light hit him in the chest and he flew backward. Rogers, and some of the others thought that Walton had been killed, and they took off in the truck. Some of them, Steve Pierce included, wanted to return. Rogers was talking about how he had left his best friend behind. And one of them, Dwayne Smith, thought that Walton had been incinerated by the beam. But they did return only they couldn’t find Walton. They drove into town and called the sheriff. Steve said that the cops looked for beer bottles, thinking that they all had been drinking. Rogers, Kenneth Peterson, and Dalis, to face his fears, went back out. Steve went on home. He told me that the next morning, the police arrived and he heard them talking with his mother. He slipped out the back door and went over to his girlfriend’s house. The police thought that Walton was dead and the others were covering up the crime. Eventually, the police convinced them all to take lie detector tests to try to learn the truth. They drew straws to see who would go first and Steve apparently lost. The polygraph operator asked if they had done bodily harm to Walton, and Steve answered that they hadn’t. He, as well as the others, passed the test, which wasn’t about the UFO and abduction, but an attempt to learn if a crime had been committed. Walton, of course, showed up five days later, and told his story of the abduction and what he had experienced. It was then that so many UFO researchers, including the Lorenzens of APRO, the National Enquirer, and others began their search for the truth. Steve didn’t have a large role in that. Eventually a local deputy named Jim Click, came to his house. Click said that Klass had called him and wanted him to relay a message to Steve. Klass was willing to pay ten thousand dollars if Steve would say that the whole thing was a hoax. Once that offer had been made through Click, Steve said that he began to get regular phone calls from Klass reinforcing the offer. When he moved away from Arizona, he was surprised that Klass could track him down. He said that his name wasn’t Steve Pierce, but Jeffrey Steven Pierce. He had begun to use his middle name after his fellows in elementary school began to tease him about his first name. It turned out that Klass had a copy of that first polygraph examination that listed his name as Jeff S. Pierce, so Klass had that information. That was how Klass could find him. After Steve moved to Texas, and after hearing from Klass on a regular basis, Steve said that he told his wife that he just might take the money. He said that he had some bills and that much money had an appeal to him. CONTINUE READCING: kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2012/07/steve-pierce-and-travis-walton.html
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Post by paulette on Jul 29, 2012 12:09:02 GMT -6
Wow! This is a great addition to the story.
Of course, my immediate response is to think that someone "got to" Phil Klass. Blackmailed him maybe, paid off HIS bills or back alimony or whatever. Interesting to know if he had a criminal record before the incident but that might have been scrubbed for him. These things are doable.
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Post by auntym on Jul 29, 2012 12:38:01 GMT -6
philip klass was a major ufo debunker.... i thought we had a thread on him but i' can't find it... google him, all kinds of debunking cases he was involved in will pop up... there are many youtube videos with klass debating with stanton friedman and others... to me he never said anything intelligent, but he was good at throwing a wrench into anything paranormal... sort of like the defending attorney trying to keep his client free, by causing doubt in the prosecutor's case...... no real evidence... just doubt... i always believed he was paid by the government.... sorry paulette... philip klass is a sore subject with me...
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Post by skywalker on Jul 29, 2012 12:50:52 GMT -6
I don't really know much about the personal side of Klass other than that he was infamous as the king of UFO debunkers. I have to admit though from reading that article and the comments that went with it he does sound kind of like a government spook. I wonder what his motivations really were?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 15:03:58 GMT -6
Wow! Auntym- thanks for sharing this article with us!!
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Post by paulette on Jul 30, 2012 11:05:55 GMT -6
philip klass was a major ufo debunker.... i thought we had a thread on him but i' can't find it... google him, all kinds of debunking cases he was involved in will pop up... there are many youtube videos with klass debating with stanton friedman and others... to me he never said anything intelligent, but he was good at throwing a wrench into anything paranormal... sort of like the defending attorney trying to keep his client free, by causing doubt in the prosecutor's case...... no real evidence... just doubt... i always believed he was paid by the government.... sorry paulette... philip klass is a sore subject with me... Nothing to be sorry about. My suggestion is that his actions were bought and paid for. He did what he (may have been) paid to do. In the article it didn't sound like he went back and looked for Travis. He was either in on a hoax - or he was in on not giving a poop about his co-worker. Man, if I disappeared in a blaze of light while with people I thought I knew and one didn't bother to try to find me I would DEFINITELY take him off the friend list. Forever.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 30, 2012 19:38:16 GMT -6
Maybe that's why he was willing later on to say it was a hoax. If he didn't go back to look than he wouldn't have known what happened so he wouldn't have cared one way or another. Plus there was the added incentive of the bribe (if that's what it was). $10,000 was a lot of money, especially for way back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 18:46:41 GMT -6
He never was a favorite of mine but most agree he wanted to find real proof. It sounds odd that he would offer money to do the opposite. I don't know about the article but I did find this on Wikipedia..and it's odd that the $ amounts are the same (unless $10,000) was Klass's magic number. I have to wonder if it all sprang from this. The $10,000 offer In 1966, Klass made an offer that stood for the remaining thirty-nine years of his life. By 1974, the offer had changed slightly, to the following form: Klass agrees to pay to the second party the sum of $10,000 within thirty days after any of the following occur[citation needed]: (A) Any crashed spacecraft, or major piece of a spacecraft is found to be clearly of extraterrestrial origin by the United States National Academy of Sciences, or (B) The National Academy of Sciences announces that it has examined other evidence which conclusively proves that Earth has been visited by extraterrestrial spacecraft in the 20th century, or (C) A bona fide extraterrestrial visitor, born on a celestial body other than the Earth, appears live before the General Assembly of the United Nations or on a national television program. The party accepting this offer pays Klass $100 per year, for a maximum of ten years, each year none of these things occur. Even after the ten year period, Klass's offer of $10,000 was available until his death. Klass made this offer openly to anyone. The offer was specifically declined by Frank Edwards, John G. Fuller, J. Allen Hynek, and James Harder, some of whom were the most vocal promoters of the extraterrestrial hypothesis (Klass 1974:356–57). One person had entered into the agreement with Klass. A man in Seattle, Washington accepted the terms in 1969 and made two annual payments of $100. Then in 1971 he made a bogus claim for the prize. When it was pointed out that his claim didn't meet any of the conditions, the man let the agreement lapse. In his book UFOs Explained, Klass offered to refund the full purchase price to every reader of the book if any of the conditions of his "UFO challenge" were ever met (Klass 1974:354–60). However, in another challenge, Klass claimed lexicographic inconsistencies based on the use of Pica typeface in the Cutler/Twining memo and offered $100 in a challenge to Stanton Friedman, for each legitimate example of the use of the same style and size Pica type as used in the memo. Friedman provided 14 examples and was paid $1,000 by Klass[22] (reproduced on p. 262). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Klass
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Post by paulette on Jul 31, 2012 20:08:00 GMT -6
I don't understand "lexicographical inconsistences...and checks written to Stanton Friedman Aye?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 20:50:25 GMT -6
I don't know either Paulette..I just found it 'koinkadinky' that the amount was the same as what he had offered. I do know the way things get misconstrued around the web...so who knows.
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