i found this reallly interesting.... with garuda's permission (from OPEN MINDS FORUM)
– Written, Researched and Compiled by VICTOR MARTINEZ –www.serpo.org/release35.phpInterestingly, the 35th SERPO release deals with this matter.
www.serpo.org/release35.phpwww.serpo.org/GARUDA'S NOTE:
With the current round of controversy and heated debate swirling around
the "FBI-ROSWELL UFO CRASH" memo posted on the FBI's "The Vault" section
Web site, various intel operatives have chimed in with what they KNOW to
be the true, factual and actual version of events which took place in
that bygone era.
These recollections have been passed through and vetted by my original
ANONYMOUS source who provided me the very first "Project SERPO" posting
back in November 2005.
Here is what ANONYMOUS states are the FACTS regarding the still
highly-charged "Roswell Incident" 60+ years later.
And armed with NEW information which may very well REwrite the history
of the Roswell crash, ANONYMOUS III weighs in with SPECIFIC DETAILS of
the actual CRASH DATE based on ALIEN TIME DEVICES found on both alien
craft and subsequently DEcoded by the scientific wizards at the Los
Alamos Nat'l Laboratory in the 1990s!------------------------------------------
VICTOR:
INTRODUCTION: Here is the correct information regarding the reported two
(2) or three (3) crashed alien craft and sites:
BACKGROUND: In late 1979, Lyle Roff, a retired FBI employee was
interviewed by Bill Moore, who was co-author of the first Roswell book,
"The Roswell Incident."
Roff originally gave Moore the information that is contained in the
recent FBI release dated from Wednesday, March 22, 1950, at:
vault.fbi.gov/unexplained-phenomenonMANY researchers have known about this document and refused to accept it
because it didn't side with their faulty, misguided research. It is
REAL and it contains information that a USAF Intelligence officer
provided to an FBI agent as part of their investigation. It ISN'T
disinformation ... it is REAL.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL HISTORICAL NARRATIVE:
In 1950, the FBI Foreign Counterintelligence (FCI) was investigating
the UFO phenomenon.The FBI received a classified briefing from USAF
Intelligence in 1950.
During the briefing, the USAF reported that there might have been
three (3) flying saucer crashes in New Mexico. U.S. Army/Air Force
found three (3) possible crash sites in NM.
One site was located approximately 40 miles north of Roswell.
One site was located approximately 10 miles southeast of Corona
And one site was near Shaw Mountain, south of the Plains of San Agustin
in western NM. The latter site was found in 1949 by some ranchers.
The first two (2) sites were believed to be two (2) different craft,
however, the USAF later determined that the site north of Roswell and
southeast of Corona WERE THE SAME CRAFT, which broke up into two (2)
distinct pieces.
In 1957, another piece of the Roswell craft was found by a rancher east
of Corona, along State Route 247. This information was NOT fully
documented in any single USAF report until 1954, four (4) years AFTER
the FBI report was published in 1950.
Roff worked in FCI and provided Moore with additional information on a
possible crash site near Silver City, NM. Debris was found near the
Bushy Mountain Air Force Station in June 1963. The debris was examined
and determined to be a possible remnant of a CRASHED SAUCER
of EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORIGIN.
BUT that information has always been CONFUSED with the Aztec, NM,
crash site. The USAF has NEVER acknowledged any saucer crash site near
Aztec, NM. Roff died in the early '80s.
The recently released FBI memo has been known for many years. The
first PUBLISHED report of the memo was in 1977. Many researchers had
access to that memo, but they refused to acknowledge the authenticity of
the information because it did NOT agree with THEIR long-held
[incorrect] information.
As I have said for many years, there has NOT been A SINGLE BOOK written
that tells the TRUE, REAL story of Roswell nor the other crash site in
western NM.
"Flying saucer" researchers have IGNORED the REAL information and relied
on outright FALSE or FAULTY [true/false] information given by second and
third person witnesses.
There was a second FBI memo that was released, but later retracted. In
that report, dated 1952, it detailed witness accounts by Dan Wilmat, who
witnessed the crash north of Roswell and Barney Barnett, who -- with a
friend -- found debris from the SECOND crash site near Shaw Mountain.
Barnett actually handled the debris and kept some of the items found
near the craft. However, the FBI/U.S. military seized those items from
Barnett when he attempted to steal them in 1951.
Barnett returned to the crash site two (2) days after finding it and
took photographs. Several days later, the U.S. Army arrived on scene and
recovered ALL the debris. Barnett died some years later and many
researchers have spent time trying to locate those photographs.
The Sheriff of Socorro County during that time period allegedly had
copies, however, he died and no one to this date knows the location of
those photographs.
In 1957, the USAF published a highly classified report that fully
DETAILED ALL OF THE CRASH SITES IN NEW MEXICO.
The report lists one (1) crash site for the Roswell craft, but two (2)
different debris fields.
ONE being where part of the craft landed north of Roswell and the SECOND
being southeast of Corona.
The SECOND crash site was listed as Shaw Mountain. ALIEN BODIES were
recovered at BOTH crash sites.
The USAF theorized that both crafts collided in midair north of Roswell.
One craft broke up with one piece landing north of Roswell and the other
piece landing southeast of Corona.
The SECOND craft made it west to the area just north of Shaw Mountain
where it crashed.
The FIRST ALIEN CRAFT was found a few days later, BUT the SECOND SITE
wasn't found until 1949.
The ALIEN BODIES found in the SECOND craft were highly decomposed.
The FIRST ALIEN CRASHED CRAFT was taken to Roswell and later on to
Wright Air Field in Ohio.
The SECOND ALIEN CRAFT was taken to Kirtland Field, Albuquerque, where
it was carefully examined. It was later taken to Los Alamos Labs where
it was subjected to a thorough, highly detailed examination.
The USAF were able to compare both pieces of the craft from Roswell and
Corona and determined it was just ONE (1) craft. Later, they used the
piece found in 1957 to FULLY RECONSTRUCT THE ALIEN CRAFT.
The SECOND ALIEN CRAFT was heavily damaged, but was in one (1) piece,
EXCEPT for small fragments that landed within one (1) mile of the crash
site.
Although heavily decomposed, the USAF and the Armed Forces Institute of
Pathology were able to determine that BOTH sets of remains were from the
SAME ALIEN SPECIES. There were classified as NON-humans, but were air
breathing life forms.
FOLLOW-UP
New information regarding the ACTUAL CRASH DATE derived from the onboard
ALIEN TIME DEVICE was provided to me by a DIA colleague, ANONYMOUS III.
IF true, this may very well REwrite the "official" history of the
Roswell Incident as currently presented in the mainstream press and
public domain.
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ANONYMOUS III - Begin:
VICTOR: The following is in reference to the date of the Roswell crash
that you inquired about.
That is conjecture on the part of the entire intelligence
community. Col John Merritt, former chief at AF intel back in the old
days -- and now long since deceased -- was convinced the crash occurred
on Saturday, June 14, 1947. That is what many of the early filed reports
stated.
However, in the mid-'90s, a team of Los Alamos scientists determined the
crash date to be around Thursday, June 12 - Tuesday, July 1, 1947. I
tend to AGREE with those dates. There are many factors involved.
Marcel stated it was about Tuesday, June 24, 1947, but then changed that
date several times during later interviews.
One factor you must remember is that Ebe-1 was alive and found in pretty
good shape by the first U.S. Army recovery team at the site where the
craft was found. That site was DIFFERENT than what Marcel and Brazel
found. They found the DEBRIS FIELD. The craft was about one (1) mile
away.
The memo isn't new since it was known of for many years. The crackpot
critics or UFO idiots will say it was a "hoax." But since the insiders
know different, the memo contained information conveyed by Air Force
intel to the FBI/FCI.
The information was NOT from the OSI; it originated from USAF
Intelligence. The OSI memo is another item that was released many
years ago and contained basically the same information EXCEPT that the
number of ALIEN BODIES was different. I think the OSI memo stated
eight (8) total, but I am uncertain of the exact number.
SUMMARY:
Although it has been years since I had access to that information, I can
say this:
Based on all of the field reports, the APPROXIMATE CRASH DATE for the
Roswell sites was stated as ~Thursday, June 12 - Tuesday, July 1,
1947. That is based on several factors with the primary ones being
RADAR PROFILES recorded by the U.S. Army in NM, AND the alien TIME
DEVICES found on the alien craft and subsequently decoded.
In 1995, the Los Alamos Laboratory
reported in a highly classified document that both ALIEN CRAFT contained
TIME DEVICES that our scientists were able to translate into OUR time
periods. The TIME DEVICE that was found in the Roswell craft was NOT
known to be a TIME DEVICE until then.
Scientists at Los Alamos used a supercomputer to analyze the device and
found that the display on the device was a recording of a time period
just PRIOR to the craft crashing.
Using the alien "Energy Device" [USG codenamed: "CRYSTAL RECTANGLE"]
that was also found in the craft, they were able to turn on the TIME
DEVICE and viewed different displays or readouts in the EBEN
language. Based on what they already knew of the language, they were
able to determine each sequence of time displays as being a set date
under the EBEN calendar.
It took them many more months using the supercomputer to translate those
time frames with Roman dates. They then determined the crash occurred
in the MIDDLE of June 1947. It was a GREAT discovery by our
scientists.
They were then able to translate the TIME DEVICE in the SECOND alien
craft found near Shaw Mountain. They determined that the SECOND alien
craft crashed on the SAME DATE as the FIRST alien craft.
Based on that data, they theorized that BOTH CRAFT collided over the New
Mexico desert and CRASHED on the SAME DATE. The SECOND alien craft was
able to fly a longer distance before it crashed.
It is also interesting to know that NOTHING inside the two (2) recovered
craft would turn on without the Energy Device. Our electrical system
could NOT make any electrical device work inside the two (2) Eben
craft.
Although EXACT time and dates could NOT be determined, they did
determine a TIME FRAME from the alien recorded information to the point
when the time device stopped on the alien craft.
I get a kick out of the blog e-mail streams released by you,
Victor. Those UFO people who claim they know it all ... know @#$%!
[Expletive] No one ... NOT one single book EVER written on the
Roswell crash has gotten it right. Roswell was an entirely different
animal.
But those UFO people and "researchers" have clogged the system in such a
way that the actual events and TRUTH canNOT be told. No one would
believe it since these idiot UFO researchers have spread so much @#$%
[expletive deleted] that everything smells bad that is now released.
I will prepare a new "Project SERPO" release on "Project XXX
XXXX." Sorry, I've been quite sick, but am recovering well now.
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