Dr. John Mack MD

[auntym]

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Touched – ET Encounters – featuring Dr. John Mack, MD




“Touched offers a uniquely contemplative perspective on the alien abduction phenomenon and presents the ‘experiencers’ and their stories with sensitivity and without judgment.” – Boston’s Weekly Dig When Harvard psychiatrist John Mack approached filmmaker Laurel Chiten (Twist & Shout, The Jew in the Lotus, Twisted) asking her to make a movie about encounters with aliens, she thought he was crazy. But after meeting some of the so-called “experiencers” she was intruiged; they seemed rather normal and spoke about feelings of connection and longing for these uninvited intruders to return. She had stumbled into a world filled by people who had been touched by something … and had their lives blown apart becuase of it. “I realized I could not figure out the origin of these bizarre stories, nor could I prove or disprove the existence of alien. Instead, I wanted to explore the human drama: who are these people, what has happened to them, and why does this distinguished Harvard professor believe them?” NOW ON DVD – Full Version with Bonus Features – 96 mins. Cat. #U676. Go to www.UFOTV.com.

[auntym]

i'll bring the popcorn....

[sunbow]

I enjoyed this. I should watch it again. I recommend it.
Both John's books are some of the most excellent reading on this subject.
I just started re-reading Abductions.

[Deleted]

Good auntym. I'll bring the beer...

[skywalker]

I liked the Abductions book. It had some really interesting stories in it

[auntym]

i agree....my favorite too....i read everything i can on JOHN MACK

[sansseed]

I have read John Mack's "Abduction" and David Jacob's "The Threat". Both were interesting reading in their own rights. Yet, I ask, how can two individuals come away with such differing opinions about the purpose of alien abductions? I mean, they both have worked with many abductees and heard (I would assume) similar stories from the abductees. It made me wonder how objective either one of them can be. IMO, if two people come away with two very opposing views then those two are only seeing those things they want to see and disregarding the rest.

[sunbow]

I saw David Jacobs at a conference two years ago. I missed lunch talking to him. He admitted that any time anyone brought up past life anything while under hypnosis, he steered them back to reality, because he knew that was not true. UFO magazine just had an article about the law suits against him for manipulating witnesses and leading them hypnotically into his personal desired results. He is not a trained hypnotist, he is a historian. I side strongly with the work of the qualified John Mack PhD, which is very scientific and often reports without making claims of purpose or intent.

[auntym]

yes, carl sagan had a wonderful colorful voice and i did like to hear him talk.... but i always thought of him as a 'sell-out'....

i also liked john mack's response to a reporter when asked about carl sagan....there is a longer version of this video where mack says at the end..."what does he know about abductions...he's just a astronomer..."
...i can't find the longer version, but i have seen it....

[Steve]

Right On!!! I'll have a Guinness Lorelei.

Steve

[lois]

Sept 26, 2011 22:36:51 GMT -6 auntym said:

yes, carl sagan had a wonderful colorful voice and i did like to hear him talk.... but i always thought of him as a 'sell-out'....

i also liked john mack's response to a reporter when asked about carl sagan....there is a longer version of this video where mack says at the end..."what does he know about abductions...he's just a astronomer..."
...i can't find the longer version, but i have seen it....

I'm with you on that auntym!!
It was a tragedy what happen to John. He left a great legacy.

[lois]

[Steve]

Jan 4, 2011 19:35:11 GMT -6 sunbow said:

I saw David Jacobs at a conference two years ago. I missed lunch talking to him. He admitted that any time anyone brought up past life anything while under hypnosis, he steered them back to reality, because he knew that was not true. UFO magazine just had an article about the law suits against him for manipulating witnesses and leading them hypnotically into his personal desired results. He is not a trained hypnotist, he is a historian. I side strongly with the work of the qualified John Mack PhD, which is very scientific and often reports without making claims of purpose or intent.

I agree with you Sunbow about Dr. Mack & Dr. Jacobs. Dr. Mack has better credentials, even Jacobs would admit that I hope. But I feel IMO Jacabs work related to abduction research stands just as well as his good friend Hopkins too. Objectively Hopkins having less academia then Jacobs. Yet still. I respect very much all their work, Hopkins, Jacobs, Mack, and others.

I feel also though that Emma Woods has been accusing Jacobs of unethical practice all over the Internet. Where is the lawsuit by Woods against Jacobs? No trial has ever occurred I am aware of. Jacobs to put it frankly was very skeptical of Woods claims of experiences and felt he should distance himself from her. She reacted irrationally to this. All we have are Woods claims only. I feel Jacobs work is important and has also contributed to what we know about this phenomenon. Emma Woods is basically a stalker.

Carol Rainey in turn is a very disgruntled Ex wife of Budd Hopkins trying to smear Hopkin's work and his reputation. Just like Mack said - Sagan was an astronomer, what the heck did he know about Abductions? Did Sagan ever do any work on Abductions? No! Rainey really doesn't know anything about Abductions either, she is a film maker. She tried to surf off of Budds fame and work. She is furious with Budd because he left Rainey for his friend Leslie Kean. Why isn't Rainey harassing Kean too? Women don't do that to each other?

Kean is brilliant and wonderful, her work pursuing only well substantiated UFO cases. Kean doesn't need this crap either. I was saddened by Budd Hopkins loss, but was gratified and heartened at least Kean was there beside him with Budd's family when he passed on. As far as Jacobs, Emma Woods is just plain scary.

Lets get back to UFO research. Something ominous related to alien abductions seems to be going on, something far more important above and beyond narrow self-centered people. Can't state it any more plainly.

Steve

[paulette]

"Lets get back to UFO research. Something ominous related to alien abductions seems to be going on, something far more important above and beyond narrow self-centered people. Can't state it any more plainly."

Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=abductions&action=display&thread=89#ixzz1ZAT3iSrd

Mack didn't seem to view the interactions as ominous. Hundreds of thosands of people being approached or visited doesn't quite have the feel of abducted or indifferently experimented on. And that the fear is more a shattering of one's world view than malevolent harm.

So Steve, where does the ominous part come in? Is it more the human cover-up? To hide our arrogance and short-term focus (which is killing the planet). You have conversations with something - Hans - and he seems positively Yoda like. Rocks your hammock - but gently.

For what its worth (my little well worn story) - I didn't feel done to as much as tested and found unable to receive the information of their presence never mind what I might have been shown. Anything that happened, if anything did, was done while I was "under". That was a regret of mine. Or, if I experienced more, the memory was wiped or blocked. Either way, I'm sorry I couldn't be there...

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I fail to see anything ominous in UFO research (or am I reading all of this entirely wrong?) but as per the human equation..individuals will be capitalizing on any possibility of punching forward themselves and their 'ideas'. Typical I think. Naturally the ones who have had the experiences or abductions will not be of importance..trying to be the one to 'figure' out what the alien agenda is... will be the 'prize'.
I love the line in Men in Black... A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it .

That is so true..A person is a brilliant free thinking mind an individual..a group can become a mob that nails a black man to a cross or or that 'in crowd' we all love or that faction in church that always looks their noses down at someone else or the people that make the decisions for a country..

Please grant me the eyes to see..the ears to hear..the TRUTH..not the truth as I would make it. When 'they' want their agenda known..it will be.

[auntym]

Sept 26, 2011 23:21:31 GMT -6 lois said:

yes, nice find lois... i enjoyed this video....

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Sept 27, 2011 10:22:00 GMT -6 @jokelly said:

I fail to see anything ominous in UFO research (or am I reading all of this entirely wrong?) but as per the human equation..individuals will be capitalizing on any possibility of punching forward themselves and their 'ideas'. Typical I think. Naturally the ones who have had the experiences or abductions will not be of importance..trying to be the one to 'figure' out what the alien agenda is... will be the 'prize'.
I love the line in Men in Black... A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it .

That is so true..A person is a brilliant free thinking mind an individual..a group can become a mob that nails a black man to a cross or or that 'in crowd' we all love or that faction in church that always looks their noses down at someone else or the people that make the decisions for a country..

Please grant me the eyes to see..the ears to hear..the TRUTH..not the truth as I would make it. When 'they' want their agenda known..it will be.

That is an awesome post Jo.

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Thank you Lorelei..

[Steve]

The ominous part I referred to is to the reluctance of the vast majority of the rest world outside our little circle who do not take the possibility abductons might be really going on seriously as you experiencers do.

I feel the questionable face projected to the general public by many abduction researchers who self promote their ideas have come up short in persuading their case, and no real solution or remedy seems to have been found for the experiencers themselves.

Steve

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I understand that Steve..and part of me is offended by it but part of me expects it and even understands it. There is no proof of it..and people only accept hypnosis when it suits them..if it's something controversial they babble about leading questions..etc. If there is one thing I understand it's skepticism...and any one with a shred of intelligence should be praying we're wrong and no one is abducting and doing tests on the citizens of this planet because it goes against laws and morals established here. In other words..these would be creatures operating outside of our laws and not subject to them. Can't be controlled or punished or understood. Sad..but I do understand

[Deleted]

"and any one with a shred of intelligence should be praying we're wrong and no one is abducting and doing tests on the citizens of this planet because it goes against laws and morals established here. In other words..these would be creatures operating outside of our laws and not subject to them. Can't be controlled or punished or understood. Sad..but I do understand "

but occasionally I run across some "new ager" (lack of better word) who in their very fine print, one sentence of their book, state that for them (the human) to have contact, they have made some sort of "agreement" with the "entities".....

as someone has said more than once "I couldn't make up this stuff if I tried!"

[lois]

Sept 27, 2011 22:15:41 GMT -6 jcurio said:

"and any one with a shred of intelligence should be praying we're wrong and no one is abducting and doing tests on the citizens of this planet because it goes against laws and morals established here. In other words..these would be creatures operating outside of our laws and not subject to them. Can't be controlled or punished or understood. Sad..but I do understand "

but occasionally I run across some "new ager" (lack of better word) who in their very fine print, one sentence of their book, state that for them (the human) to have contact, they have made some sort of "agreement" with the "entities".....

as someone has said more than once "I couldn't make up this stuff if I tried!"

The above is true, but only the aliens can play the next card. We are helpless, I don't care who believes it has happen to people of this planet, or if proof ever did come.. we are still at there mercy. For what can our governments do?

The Christian will say God will intervene. There is no proof of this either.

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I say I understand their reluctance to 'get behind' abductions. Only because until you've been there..you can't grasp it...you can't relate to it..you can't with any compassion..even feel bad about it. People joke about it. Would they if they were on the receiving end? Would they just go about their business and be the same person they were before? Not a single person can answer that..until the day comes when they're face to face with something the mind cannot fathom because we don't have the 'reference' points to. But the biggie is..it' is something we cannot protect ourselves from. There is no opportunity given to protect ourselves if we could. We are so used to being at the top of the food chain..that being snatched up..restrained (with no visible restraint) and subjected to invasive and painful procedures..just is not something that anyone is going to get comfortable with or even feel comfortable discussing because what can you say? 'Um sorry?'

Yep there are those who claim to carry on conversations with diplomats from various star systems who want us to be a part of the galactic federation. If they wanted to be our friends and benefactors would these other creatures still be cruising the airways abducting men, women AND children? Would it be allowed if they had any real concern for us? There are way too many things that don't add up..loose flopping ends..and people denying the biggest 'evidence' there is..the abductions. I still do understand why, even if it makes me very sad We need more Steve's..who can get past the distaste and dig a little deeper..and who will listen and maybe it will start to add up. Maybe.

[lois]

I correct myself here . Once I did care who believe me and my little ufo encounter.. I was arguing with Rike and Charles posted. four little words.

I believe you Lois My heart went to my feet that very instant. As one had never said it to me before. It is like an investigator, he has to figure out if the witness is telling the truth. I never knew for sure who did believe until I heard some one else say it to me.

Above I was referring to the media..

[lois]

One thing is for sure abductees need help. There is help now and I hope more to come in the future generations.. It is a very sad thing. No one knows for how long abductions have been occurring or how long before it stops..

[Steve]

You make me think Jo and all here about these abduction stories. Perhaps surprisingly to some here, I am skeptical of hypnosis as a investigation tool too. I have learned enough to at least know when it can be misused, like with leading questions for instance. Unfortunately it seems except for interviewing for conscious memories, hypnosis regression seems the only tool we have at the present time for the rest. Hypnosis though an established therapeutic tool, still seems a stab in the dark, hoping once there something will be found in that murky place.

These discussions make me reflect perhaps less should be discussed publicly about abduction cases. They could be creating false hopes we are getting some where. I confess I am not so sure.

We seem to confirm what others have encountered. We can provide more details perhaps, but we still do not seem to know why and how, or protect those from experiencing further such encounters, or at least create contact situations that are more equatable & positive exchanges.

The role primarily of hypnosis I think is as a therapeutic tool to relieve the anxiety and restore some form of normalcy.

I really hope someday a machine will be available that can read dreams & memories so we can really see and understand what experiancers are describing & where it is coming from.

Steve

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That machine would be an amazing thing ..even beyond what we're discussing.

Randy Quaid's role in Independence day showed me that while people may not admit they believe in abductions..they still read up on the accounts. For those who don't remember or didn't watch it..his character had been abducted and he made the mistake of telling anyone who would listen and paid the price ever after of the typical jokes. "Russ... when they took you up in their spaceship, did they do any... sexual things, do you recall?' Ahh but when the aliens showed up they weren't laughing ;D It is kind of typical of our species that they would find jokes in another persons nightmare. Reason I mentioned it..is because to me..it's that kind of thinking and reaction that will prevent us from ever solving the enigma. I guess..the jokes are funny..unless

[lois]

Sept 27, 2011 23:58:24 GMT -6 Steve said:

You make me think Jo and all here about these abduction stories. Perhaps surprisingly to some here, I am skeptical of hypnosis as a investigation tool too. I have learned enough to at least know when it can be misused, like with leading questions for instance. Unfortunately it seems except for interviewing for conscious memories, hypnosis regression seems the only tool we have at the present time for the rest. Hypnosis though an established therapeutic tool, still seems a stab in the dark, hoping once there something will be found in that murky place.

These discussions make me reflect perhaps less should be discussed publicly about abduction cases. They could be creating false hopes we are getting some where. I confess I am not so sure.

We seem to confirm what others have encountered. We can provide more details perhaps, but we still do not seem to know why and how, or protect those from experiencing further such encounters, or at least create contact situations that are more equatable & positive exchanges.

The role primarily of hypnosis I think is as a therapeutic tool to relieve the anxiety and restore some form of normalcy.

I really hope someday a machine will be available that can read dreams & memories so we can really see and understand what experiancers are describing & where it is coming from.

Steve

Hopefully someday, abductees may tell much more in detail and come up with new information about these aliens. What I mean is the aliens may convey more to their abductees.. as time goes by they may let us see more truth about themselves.

Or more lies..

[Deleted]

"These discussions make me reflect perhaps less should be discussed publicly about abduction cases. They could be creating false hopes we are getting some where. I confess I am not so sure.

We seem to confirm what others have encountered. We can provide more details perhaps, but we still do not seem to know why and how, or protect those from experiencing further such encounters, or at least create contact situations that are more equatable & positive exchanges."


I very, very rarely disagree with Steve. And not sure that I'm doing that now. I think history shows that long buried remnants of experiences and memories cut short tend to "fester", cause unnecessary 'holes' and gaps, etc.

I am one person that doesn't want to go back to not discussing things publicly, even if my public is 4 people . Granted, some people find that their "problems" escalate after discussion, but I'll take my self-forced silence of 3 days over 30 years for sure.

And leading questions are in the eye of the beholder. Some might think this is leading:

Adult to child: "did you get in a fight with Alex?"

Child: "no. I didn't do anything".

Adult to child: "well, when you were talking with Peter, did you hit him with your left hand or
your right?"

Child: "No! AlEX wouldn't leave me alone so I hit Alex!"

Just like some people cannot be hypnotized, there are people who cannot be lead

[Deleted]

www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/22/mind-reading-experiment-reconstructs-movies-in-our-mind

Is this believable?