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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 9:31:02 GMT -6
Yes..you're never 'solicited' to become a Mason, you must ask.
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 26, 2011 12:08:56 GMT -6
yup. Also on a note. Most mason's never go past 3rd degree. The supposed conspiracy happens at the highest levels. Now in the book "The Mysteries of Magic" there are steps to conjuring Lucifer. Now Lucifer is a term that really should not be in the Bible period from what I have studied of the Hebrew text. It was a mistranslation/misinterpretation on Jeromes part. With that being said as far as the conspiracy thing from a Christian viewpoint that would make it very suspect considering magic is a supposed no no. The vast majority of Masons do not know all of that stuff and are very very good people. People do fear what they do not understand. With that being said they can't feel comfortable about something they are not allowed to know at the same time. jmo. My personal opinion is I don't believe all masons are evil by any means, at the highest levels I am not sure because there have been some very powerful people at the highest level and with a lot of power corruption runs rampant in any organization. No offense meant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 13:35:38 GMT -6
Magic...by another name could be advanced physics or a cigarette lighter to some cultures. What was magic yesterday is today's science. I believe time alters things..and that could be why the bible wasn't written in stone but the commandments were. His writings versus those who were speaking for him. I've met my share of greedy, grasping Masons who use the organization to have an 'in' with brothers who can better their position and my share of good and generous ones who work with the many charity projects the order has..in other words..they're just people who belong to a fraternal organization. Honestly are there conspiracy theories about the odd fellow or moose or elk lodges? Rotary? What people don't understand they often revile...particularly if it involves secrets or any kind of ritual and in short order what's not understood becomes conspiracy. Masonic rites aren't private anymore..they're all over the net and that's a shame..it ruins the special fellowship of the organization. It's sad I think
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 26, 2011 21:46:17 GMT -6
True, but magic in the way he meant it was magic as in the magical power. The guy that wrote the book was a 32nd degree mason.
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 26, 2011 21:47:01 GMT -6
What confuses me is since Lucifer is a term that is not even supposed to reference Jesus or Satan why is there even something wrote on it at all??? Who is the Lucifer in this case???
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 26, 2011 21:48:40 GMT -6
Same way the Mormon religion has books completely based off of Lucifer. Turns out Joseph Smith lied and just copied what Jerome had already had wrote which means he lied about recieving that inspiration directly from God. At least in all the studying I have done so far that appears to be true. People also throw the conspiracy in on the Mormons which I do not believe are working for the illuminati.
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 26, 2011 21:51:24 GMT -6
In my honest opinion people that think they way they do about masons, mormons, illuminati, government, ect....... all have the same idea about something. They don't fully understand it and in some cases can't come to understand it because they are not allowed to so they think the worse about things. It's only fair to open yourself to the conspiracy theorists if you hide things. Thats true of any secrets for the most part.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 27, 2011 21:03:30 GMT -6
I think if anything the Mormons would be a conspiracy theory all their own. A lot of people claim that they are similar to the mafia, running Utah with an iron fist. I'm sure there are people who believe that about any form of organized religion that is different from their own. I'm sure their are some people high up the ladder in many religious groups, whether it be the Mormons, Masons, Catholics or whatever, who actually do abuse their power, but that doesn't mean the entire organization is corrupt. I started reading the Book of Mormon once but when he started saying that the Native Americans were the decendents of the lost tribes of Israel he lost me.
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 27, 2011 23:24:54 GMT -6
Yeah Mormons do have some strange beliefs. They claim to be of a Christian religion yet also believe they can eventually become a God. Joseph Smith was too much of a liar to have any credibility in my opinion, errr it just comes off that way. I have a really good mormon buddy and he doesn't know how to answer some of the question I ask concerning Joseph and that particular faith. I agree also about a lot of people abusing power when they get it. I think most people of any group or religion are really good people. Only takes one sometimes to ruin the whole's reputation. For instance Islam is considered a readical religion. I forget the percent but it's only like 13% or something that think that way. They cast minority but the minority equals up to like 100million or something like that, that think that way. I'll have to double check that number because it was an estimate from what I remember.
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 27, 2011 23:26:11 GMT -6
ok it was 7% or around 93 million out of 1.3 billion. But still that is A LOT of people that think that way and gives the whole a bad rep.
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 27, 2011 23:29:50 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Jul 28, 2011 6:47:26 GMT -6
That's true. Throughout history Islam has actually been one of the more tolerant religions. It's only a small percentage of Muslims who have gone wacko and give all the rest of them a bad name. It's probably the same for the Mormons, Masons and a bunch of other groups...maybe even the illuminati. They might just be a bunch of kind-hearted people doing charity work for all we know.
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 28, 2011 13:02:20 GMT -6
For all we know that could be true. I consider myself pretty tolerant. I don't agree with most of the other religions but I respect their viewpoints. In the past I wasn't as good at doing that. I started studying the Bible for myself and it led me to be more tolerant of everyone and still having a sound faith. Also you learn alot more about what others really believe if your not always immediately condemning their beliefs. Sometimes it's best just to listen for awhile
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Post by breakarm87 on Jul 28, 2011 13:03:02 GMT -6
I really like the teachings of Jesus. Back to the subject though, wasn't the Illuminati and actual organization wayyy back??
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Post by skywalker on Jul 29, 2011 11:41:45 GMT -6
According to Wikipedia it was started in Bavaria about the same time that the United Staters was founded in 1776. The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, the name refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IlluminatiIf what that article says is true then it looks like the Illuminati is just some minor little thing that was blown waaaaay out of proportion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2011 11:56:31 GMT -6
I think what happened wayyyyyy back when..was that scholars and more enlightened men tended to band together. The 'normal' citizen of the time was what we would consider very blue collar..hard working carpenters, herders and farmers or soldiers who didn't have much in the way of education. The 'classes' were far apart and those of 'learning' were mysterious and either feared or revered. I think that much stems from that. Now it's more political and financial than educational with some overtones of religious pressure. If someone now wants that education, many ways can be found for that..but people envy the wealthy who wield power and the wealthy-powerful greedily want more..and so the conspiracy wheel turns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 12:56:00 GMT -6
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Post by auntym on Jun 6, 2014 11:53:42 GMT -6
ufodigest.com/article/singularity-0606June 06, 2014 OWNER OF A LONELY SINGULARITYBy Peter Fotis Kap There are many theories today that focus on the so-called New World Order. It now seems to be a policy of globalists and politicians to deny the New World Order if questioned about it in public interviews, but to drop as many hints and endorsements of it as possible in their prepared speeches. If you Google the phrase, New World Order, you will find that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of references to it on the Internet. YouTube contains scores of video clips of famous leaders using those exact words in their lectures and forecasts for humanity. So, just what is the New World Order? It became a popular talking point after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But “Novus ordo seclorum” (Latin for New order of the ages) appears on the back of the one the dollar bill. It literally means “New Age.” A New Age belief system for the 21st century does not sound like a bad idea to many people. However, scholars who have researched the subject have serious doubts. According to many historians (and economists), the New World Order is a two-tier system of government. Corporations will replace nature in providing food and provisions to the human population. The mother company will be a central banking system. Nevertheless, the corporations will not be able to support more than half a billion consumers or “valued customers.” People without bank accounts (or credit cards) will be labeled “freeloaders” and removed from the system. The New World Order will have two levels: At the base, a communist scheme will control the lives and needs of the numerous consumers (enforced by a police state). At the top of the system will sit the few wealthy providers or merchants who will enjoy the power and freedom of noble aristocrats, just as in previous centuries. They will be corporate figureheads, like the gods of plutocracy: the brand names and media celebrities. Researchers claim that the best political strategists have carefully planned the New World Order. But perhaps the planners forgot something. The technological singularity is a hypothetical moment in time when artificial intelligence will have progressed to the point of a greater-than-human intelligence. Scientists such as Ray Kurzweil (“The Singularity Is Near,” 2005) think the singularity is inevitable and the technological change will be so rapid and profound that it will represent a rupture in the fabric of human history. The big question is: Who shall own the Singularity? One might assume that large computer corporations like Apple, Microsoft or Google, which administer the most teeming and powerful computers, will experience the singularity first, and thus be its lawful owners. Alternatively, maybe central bankers will. Yet how true is that? Greater-than-human intelligence is something we have never dealt with before. A few flies on the back of a horse might believe the horse is theirs, and that they “own” it. However, if the horse decides to jump into a lake of water and then shake itself dry, the flies are dead wrong. CONTINUE READING: ufodigest.com/article/singularity-0606
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 9:38:15 GMT -6
I have no problem with a greater-than-human intelligence...I believe in God. There actually are 'perks' to that.
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