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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jun 25, 2011 21:45:57 GMT -6
Anybody who wants to comment on Steve's Unconventional Flying Object thread can do so here.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 7, 2011 9:36:29 GMT -6
I finally got around to reading your post, Steve. I would have done it sooner if I had not had to deal with some crises situation that some knucklehead caused by getting his trigger=happy fingers to close to a certain button. I'm still trying to understand some of what you wrote there because parts of it were kind of technical. Like for instance where it said... I'm still trying to figure out what language some of that was written in. Scientific I suppose... I'm definitely not an expert on quantum physics, but if this idea about time being affected by free will is true then there would be a separate timeline for each individual person. Since there are billions of people on the planet, each making thousands of choices each day, that would be practically an unlimited number of different variations in the time line. If a being from a higher dimension were to alter the timeline of one person, and since that one person has an effect on other people, wouldn't the alteration of one timeline have to effect everybody? That explanation of deja vu is an interesting idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 15:49:15 GMT -6
In response to the second post, I try to keep an open mind about all possibilities. If all abductions happened during a sleep state I would partly consider it to maybe be a dream anamoly (sleep paralysis,rem,etc.), but obviously too many abductees,even many on this forum, have had them happen in daytime or night when they were wide awake as well as many seeing vehicles that cant be explained. As far as sexual abuse, I can say its never happened to me except for an old pervert that tried to grab my arm and pull me to him which he didnt succeed . When it comes to psychiatric anamolies, ive never been diagnosed with such , but I have been told I was exceptionally intelligent and they tried to raise me from 6th to 7th grade but it was against Arizona laws at that time. Ive never taken lsd, but ive been told of the hallucinations it can cause . I wasnt on any meds during the encounter either so I can honestly rule that one out too. When it comes to time travel through interstellar space It makes me think of einsteins theory of relativity. Its possible like you mentioned steve, that if they are travelling at or near the speed of light that it would involve little or no time at all to travel from point a to b and back. If they somehow had the technology to go beyond the speed of light, , than time itself would go backwards and they could actually go back in time arriving back at their home planet before they even left, as strange as that may seem. We have a long way to go before we completely understand quantum dynamics. Galileo was imprisoned for even suggesting that saturn had rings and jupiter had 4 moons. Im glad that I live in a time that I can speak of things without being imprisoned or persecuted for speaking of the unknown. Ive noticed a difference during my lifetime with societies acceptance of aliens/ufos. I feel the more people that come forward, the more this will be understood and accepted. I know ive had some things happen in my lifetime that seem very strange, but Ive been completely honest and open about all of them and thats a big reason as to why Im here, because I too like many others am looking for answers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 16:20:31 GMT -6
Well said touched. Steve, that second post was extremely interesting to me. I was delivered via C-section. I have no recollection of long tunnels or tubes from my experience. Very very interesting theories...
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Post by Steve on Jul 15, 2011 17:32:32 GMT -6
This was a long thought out accumulation of everything I know or more to the point predominately everything I have learned humbly about the subject from many others.
It is mostly to outline all the varied ideas out there.
Sadly this piece is more outlining about what it is not.
However, facts seem to suggest in my own opinion it is a combination of the ETH and alternate realities or dimensions theories (1, 2, and 3). ETH with inter-dimensional to facilitate the space travel and the means for everything from getting to this planet to passing through walls to kidnap. Quantum physics makes it all happen.
The military mind control theory's at first I scoffed at. Now I am beginning to think that may have a part in the mystery too. It's main purpose is disinformation - exclusively human in it's organization & origin - to conceal from the public pro-actively discrediting ETH theories, manipulating and confusing facts, create conflicting dates and times surrounding any alien encounter in the mind of some experiencers and the public in general.
One example is SSgt Jim Penniston's story related to his Rendlesham forest UFO encounter and more in 1980. His 'debriefing' afterward where the OSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations) gave Jim sodium pentothal and hypnosis to deliberately plant new memories, change dates and facts, to destroy his credibility related to what may have really happened during that event.
Sadly Mufon too might be apart of this, not by its public charter and stated public purpose, certainly not by it's general membership. But by a few in control at the top as part of the BOD running 'interference'.
Steve
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Post by skywalker on Jul 15, 2011 17:47:12 GMT -6
I think that military mind control experiments definitely are happening but that only explains a small percentage of abduction accounts. I think that in addition to using the experiments to discredit the UFO phenomenon they are also using UFOs as a cover for the experiments they are doing. Who would believe somebody who claimed to have been abducted by the military and used as a Guinea pig? They would be even less believable if they claimed to have been abducted by aliens and used as a Guinea pig. It's just like the accounts I have heard of Air Force pilots who were ordered to put extra lights on their planes and then go up to perform acrobatic maneuvers so people down below would think they were seeing UFOs. The government makes people believe in UFOs so they can discredit the people who believe in UFOs so that people will not believe in UFOs. Oh, what a tangled web they weave when first they practice to deceive...
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Post by Steve on Jul 15, 2011 18:20:17 GMT -6
I think that military mind control experiments definitely are happening but that only explains a small percentage of abduction accounts. I think that in addition to using the experiments to discredit the UFO phenomenon they are also using UFOs as a cover for the experiments they are doing. Who would believe somebody who claimed to have been abducted by the military and used as a Guinea pig? They would be even less believable if they claimed to have been abducted by aliens and used as a Guinea pig. It's just like the accounts I have heard of Air Force pilots who were ordered to put extra lights on their planes and then go up to perform acrobatic maneuvers so people down below would think they were seeing UFOs. The government makes people believe in UFOs so they can discredit the people who believe in UFOs so that people will not believe in UFOs. Oh, what a tangled web they weave when first they practice to deceive... I think the military mind control comes sequentially after the real abduction experiences, simply to cover up. It seems the only rational explanation for such activity. It explains some comments by adbuctees about some being followed or monitored. Much of this maybe hyper-vigilance by the abductee that results from their experience, but in some cases, it seems to be the case. crazy situation. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 19:19:47 GMT -6
Steve, something I failed to mention is that you did a great job laying all this out. The possibilities seem endless with so many questions, and theories with a subject that defies explanation. Trying to understand what happened is full of many "what ifs", and the more I seem to seek answers, the more questions seem to be raised. Youre correct, its a crazy situation.
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Post by lois on Sept 17, 2011 20:52:59 GMT -6
Yes it will stay crazy as we are still living in the infancy of ufos and aliens. Only time may tell us more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 20:02:24 GMT -6
Steve, there was something in the second article that I must comment on. I have never mentioned this before but when I read it and realized someone else must've saw it too, the detail floored me. In the article it mentions a tube that goes from the back of the being to the head,or something of that nature. I remember a tube that appeared to look like a flex that has rings aound it(similar to what you hook to the dryer vent but smaller in diameter) that went from the back of the being over the left shoulder and it appeared to be under the surface of the beings skin. I felt after reading this that it should now be mentioned. Do you know of anyone else that recalls something like this ? After seeing it in the article I figure something has been mentioned by someone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 20:30:44 GMT -6
Ive always remembered this. I recall thinking to myself"how odd". The tube like device started at the right midline area of the back and went to the left side and then upwards, from there Im not sure. It appeared to maybe go up its neck towards the cranium but on that part I dont want to speculate.
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Post by plutronus on Apr 17, 2012 13:55:56 GMT -6
I think that military mind control experiments definitely are happening but that only explains a small percentage of abduction accounts. I think that in addition to using the experiments to discredit the UFO phenomenon they are also using UFOs as a cover for the experiments they are doing. Who would believe somebody who claimed to have been abducted by the military and used as a Guinea pig? They would be even less believable if they claimed to have been abducted by aliens and used as a Guinea pig. It's just like the accounts I have heard of Air Force pilots who were ordered to put extra lights on their planes and then go up to perform acrobatic maneuvers so people down below would think they were seeing UFOs. The government makes people believe in UFOs so they can discredit the people who believe in UFOs so that people will not believe in UFOs. Oh, what a tangled web they weave when first they practice to deceive... ::) I think the military mind control comes sequentially after the real abduction experiences, simply to cover up. It seems the only rational explanation for such activity. It explains some comments by adbuctees about some being followed or monitored. Much of this maybe hyper-vigilance by the abductee that results from their experience, but in some cases, it seems to be the case. crazy situation. Steve Hi Steve,
Excellent article.
And it takes much time, thanks for sharing.
>I think the military mind control comes sequentially after the real abduction experiences, simply to cover up.
I tend to go along with this too. The military is scared poopless over ET and they don't want us thinking rightly about their presence. And for good reason in my opinion. Until Earth has the capability to follow them back to where ever they call home and to be able to drop a few big ones there, the military has reason to be terrified, in my opinion.
Something really nasty happened to me after my initial visual contact with the Reptilians. I don't include the End-Times-Visions in that segment of thinking or memories. My visions were separate from my contact experiments with ET with the Greys and subsequently the Reptilians.
I remember when the psychic attacks began, it was after, I was beginning to see what the Reptilians are doing on Earth, how they work their Black-Triangle craft over our neighborhoods at night, etc. Hovering over the psychics, the green-beam descending out of the bottom of the triangle. Harvesting our Vital-Life-Force, just like rows of cabbage inside a huge dimensional constrained green-house.
They did not seem to care that I could see their activity, and it was around the same time that I saw the blue orb over my driveway, which I sense, as being some kind of Reptilian monitoring...?gadget? ?psionic-mecha?...it was not life as I recognize it, but it was definitely conscious and it was telepathic. Ad rem, back to the point, it was around this time that the attacks began. I vacillate between thinking that it was Reptilian based while the Qabalah Mystic who saved my a.s.s., she was of the opinion that it was military, and at the time there were some strange events that happened. One for instance, was that the attacks ceased during Federal Holidays!! and then resumed after-wards? But this is very confusing, as the military does not cease activities in observing Federal holidays, only military contractors do??
But I tend to agree with you regarding some of the psychic attack, influence, while I hesitate to speculate that the military is sufficiently advanced psionically to be able to effect 'abduction' per se, as I can see no reasonable agenda to do so, psychic abduction is soul-abduction, unlike the impositional aliens. While I do believe that is possible that the military might be using 'RV extension functions' to 'obfuscate' folks experiences. I understand their reasoning for doing so, although if my experiences were military promoted, it was very nasty and nearly killed me too. That is one of the problems, if the military wants to kill ya, why don't they? They got lots of trained killers, every soldier is a trained killer. Machine-shop up a non-registered gun, drive-by, shoot ya, disappearing into the night and it'd be much cheaper too...why dedicate an RVer for 48 months, everyday and every-night to screw with someone's mind? A pipsqueak like me? If it was the military, then that is what they did to me, four years of screwing with me! Then again, what if the 'attacks' were being accomplished by an artificially conscious machine, 'artificial psychic attack projector', using the Texas-Instruments VLSI artificial neuron-array ICs, massively paralleled? Powered by 220 Volts, non-stop, if so why did the attacks cease on Federal holidays? I am very confused about this stuff.
But I tend to agree with you about the military coming in behind alien contacts. The question then becomes, how does the military know about the abductions? Most folks don't even know that they've been abducted themselves for the most part. So how do they know?
When things are squirally like this...its always ET.
plutronus
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Post by skywalker on Apr 17, 2012 21:35:20 GMT -6
Maybe there is some way of tracking them. The military may know the UFOs are coming and going, they just can't do anything to stop them so they harass the abductees instead.
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Post by DEADnGONE on Oct 25, 2012 18:29:59 GMT -6
Since it's close to "All Hallows Eve"I think witches on thier brooms might be the most in unconventional flight there is or ever will be. If you don't believe, you miight be sorry.
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Post by bewildered on Aug 6, 2013 23:17:20 GMT -6
This is the first opportunity I've had to peruse Steve's writing...and I would comment more in-depth if summertime finals weren't upon me (yes, I go to school year-round...the more units I take, the sooner I will achieve my goal of more school as I apply to a Master's program...and then after that, well...), so I will keep this brief and to the point for now. My first impression as I read through part one is seeing all of the graph theory in motion. Fascinating. The multiverse is a highly plausible reality that we can see reflected in elementary mathematical equations and in real-time analysis of radiation present in the observable universe. Bewildered's first axiom of the universe is as follows: the universe is a vast and mysterious place, and I am only capable of directly perceiving the tiniest portion of it at any given time. Steve's writings reflect this concept accurately, I think. I borrowed my next axiom from Albert Einstein: time is relative to the observer. Thirdly, reality is only persistent to the observer. What we perceive of as the "universe" is quite possibly holographic in presentation.
Interesting stuff, Steve. I shall have to make the time to read more.
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