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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2011 19:42:24 GMT -6
Very disturbing rumors flying about. I have been following the bizarre accounts circulating about this story about John Edmond. Robert Bigelow's men have decended upon interviewing John Edmond at his Arizona ranch reportedly - my source told it was more an 'interrogation' - related to John Edmonds story of attacking one of several gray aliens that have been making visits to Edmond's Arizona Ranch. Edmonds reportedly attacked one gray (seems difficult to imagine based on numerous abduction accounts) with a samurai sword no less, the three entities according to Edmond once one of their own was severely injured, quickly dematerialized in front of him. Edmond's told my source there was blood or body fluids all over the floor, the walls, Edmond's pants, along with tissue from the stricken gray. Bigelow's people once again arriving before anyone else - (or Mufon led Bigelow there) stayed on Edmonds ranch for three days. Edmond even spoke with Bigelow himself over the phone several times, retelling the incredible story looking for inconsistencies. Edmonds reportedly has now passed a lie detector test. Bigelows men demanded Edmonds sign an agreement to gag his story, which it was reported Edmonds refused to sign, only signing a lesser document that his testimony was true. The report below states the samples were transported to Levengood for analysis. Edmonds has since reported Levengood has not returned his phone calls since - Bigelow again? How does one get the chance to attack a gray, assuming it is true? Nothing is ever mentioned about any possible bio-hazards here either? Could the planet be exposed to something it is not equipped to handle medically? Anyone know more about this bizarre one? Are other investigators descending on Edmond's Ranch? Steve www.ufodigest.com/article/alien-tissue-and-fluid-samples-preliminary-report-i-updateGiven the threats, we decided to go forward with this material Alien Tissue & Fluid Samples Analyzed by a W.C. Levengood and Amanda N. Nimke By Robert M. Collins Samples purported to be alien extraterrestrial tissue and fluid samples were shipped from a ranch near Phoenix, Arizona where bizarre incidents have taken place over many weeks, months and years, culminating in a number of extraterrestrial entities being stabbed, wounded or killed in the ranch house by its owner, John Edmonds, who wrote: "...wiped up the blood/Fluid and tissue of the Gray I nearly split in two parts with an exceptionally well sharpened Samurai sword. After hand to hand combat with these little parasites. We have plenty of evidence to prove it, gathered over many years." This gave plenty of fluid and tissue samples to work with. In summary, blood found The sample appears to be pure hemoglobin like that found at the Cattle Mutilation sites with what appears to be segment rods in the blood, never seen anything like it. ---Levengood Skin? Looks like segmented grass except it's not grass Levengood said, see attachment 2. Details/data and analysis Numerous samples have been collected under correct forensic technique by several skilled investigators and were sent to independent labs of high regard. All came back with the same result that the proteins in the samples could not be identified as anything they had seen before either plant or animal or human. One lab did add that the samples sent to them did match the samples they had tested over the last 30 years of fluid specimens they had tested from various cattle mutilations across the South West US. They believed that there was a 100% compatibility that the two were from the same creature(s). Finally a smoking Gun that absolutely links cattle mutilations to alien life forms. One scientist was extremely elated by the discovery! The important significance of these fluid matches is that according to W.C. Levengood, the fact that they matched so well was proof that indeed they were both extraterrestrial as the samples match nothing from the animal or plant kingdoms on Earth. However, as said above, the samples match the samples from mutilated cattle sites, and that would in Levengood's words show a correlation between aliens, cattle mutilations, and the obvious hostile intent of the Gray Aliens. "You have the smoking gun. This is proof of alien life visiting Earth and links the phenomenon together positively!" These were Levengood's words! Robert Bigelow and his agency spent close to a month studying the ranch and the events here and my wife and I under went extensive interviewing, video taping, and analysis by ex FBI and CIA investigators. Everyone involved has had a consensus that the events here are real, accurate in nature, and have not been publicly released due to my desire to avoid a deluge of publicity which will neither further the investigation nor heighten the hard science approach to an unexplained phenomena that deserves the respect of remaining a discussion between professionals. Further details/data .C. Levengood 06-30-011: He said he is not going to write a report at this time, but he was very excited about the samples sent which contained tiny segmented fibers. These were not cloth. This is what was in the photomicrographs he sent. Levengood explained blood as we know it does not contain segmented fibers. This made the sample highly unusual. He also explained normal antibodies that are positive or negative determine the type of blood which is something totally different. It is very peculiar because "the cell parts look like joint grass, but are not grass." He has not written a report as stated above, but he did mail the photomicrographs, which are photographs taken through a microscope, attachment 2. Levengood said the material did not look like human skin. "It was weird," he said. When asked why he didn't send the tissue out for DNA testing, he said there wasn't enough material and it was very expensive and to do so. Papers by W.C. Levengood: www.iccra.org/levengood/allotherpub.htm
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Post by skywalker on Sept 3, 2011 20:12:23 GMT -6
It's time for me to play the part of Mr. Superskeptic. First of all, I do not believe for one second that this clown could kill a gray alien with a samurai sword or any other weapon. They don't just walk down and stand in front of some weapon-weilding fool and say, "Greetings, Earthling. Kill me!" Secondly, anything that is associated with the name Robert Bigelow, in my mind automatically makes it a pile of pig poo. The man is nothing but bad news. If anything really was happening at this ranch Bigelow would have bought it, sucked up all of the information and turned it over to his alphabet agency buddies. Then they would try to intimidate or bribe any potential witnesses into silence. This has always been his modus-operandi in the past and I see no reason why he would change now. I personally think that the likelihood of this story being true is about equal to the chance that a rattlesnake could dribble a basketball.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2011 20:24:10 GMT -6
It is easy to be a skeptic. We are all agreed Bigelow is bad news. If the stories are near true..the attack on the gray was not Edmond's first one. I just know a number of UFO groups are watching this under the radar and trying to learn anything they can. It seems to others this story is just too bizarre to believe, and just too bizarre to ignore either.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 3, 2011 20:51:07 GMT -6
If this guy really did hurt some grays why don't they just go down and zap him with a beam of light like they did to me and everybody else they abduct? Why is it that only he is immune to being zapped? I remember that Ed Walters told a bunch of rediculous stories about aliens chasing after him during the Gulf Breeze sightings and he was always able to find some way to get away...I didn't believe any of them either. These stories sound like a combination of the old contactee reports mixed with a bad Flash Gordon episode. I think the dude has been watching too many movies. One part of the story that I do believe may be true is where he said he submitted the samples and then never even got so much as a return phone call. When Frank Kimbler found those debris fragments at the Roswell crash site he said that Bigelow offered to help him have them analyzed. Kimbler then stated that he waited for months and never heard a word about the results of the tests, or if the tests were ever even done. This sounds exactly like the way Bigelow operates. He takes the material and has it tested then keeps the info for himself. I personally believe he did the same thing with the data from the Ambient Monitoring Project, and if he got any samples from this ranch he would have done the same thing with them. He takes everything and gives nothing in return.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 3, 2011 20:59:06 GMT -6
Why would the guy give the alien samples to a crop circle researcher?
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2011 21:14:00 GMT -6
Could this be the guy on Art Bell who said he went hunting on his ranch with two other men at night. They walked a path with shotguns in hand and in the dark the leader on the path ran straight into something, he raised his flashlight and shown it into the face of a gray.
It was so frightning ..he did not think he said and fired his rifle into the alien. He said he killed it and buried it, as afraid he would be charge with murder.. Now isn't that crazy?? He supposedly over took a gray.. smiley here
I been looking for his name ever since. I taped the interview audio but I have not been able to locate it among my things.
Steve's post made me wonder. Has John Edmund ever been on the Art Bell radio talk show..??
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Post by skywalker on Sept 3, 2011 21:26:07 GMT -6
I remember that story. We have it here on the forum somewhere, either in a video or radio show. I don't remember which one. I don't know if it was the same dude.
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2011 23:17:07 GMT -6
Sky are you sure you are not thinking of the other forum. I posted it and remember how ufo4peace thought is was too funny.. unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 1:08:48 GMT -6
Am I the only one here who would do the dance of joy for something simple, cut-and-dried, easy to follow, easy to prove??? For the life of me I can't see anyone getting their hands on.. much less injuring one of the things. In the first place they have astonishing mental energy that allows them to control their subjects and I can't believe they don't have strong defenses if they need them. Energy beams..sophisticated instruments..I just don't see how anyone could get the drop on one that easily..especially if it had company..they can use their minds together...I know that much about them. On the other hand..it's sure not something to be dismissed out of hand..if he did manage to kill one he could have opened some doors we'd come to regret. Steve..could you ask Han about this? Maybe he's heard through some cosmic grapevine??
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2011 1:23:28 GMT -6
Why would the guy give the alien samples to a crop circle researcher? That has been puzzling me too. Why would a botanist or plant biologist be examining possible animal tissue?, assuming it is? It could be someone is pulling someones leg, or Levengood was the only scientist they could find that would even consider doing a preliminary examination of the samples to see if anything was there first at least? Perhaps Levengood has done previous cattle mutilation sample examinations? Several other things bother me. Killing a sentient being whatever their motives have been in the past. And second, more....has no one considered this could be a huge bio hazard issue here? Also we are talking here possibly of violation of 1211.100 Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space, Part 1211 - Extra-terrestrial Exposure - known as 'the Extra-terrestrial Exposure Law', made law by Congress a few days before the first Moon landing. It was created to protect the planet by untrained persons from exposing the planets population to exposure of a bio-hazard in a 'Andromeda Strain' like scenario. www.beyondweird.com/etlaw.htmlToo much of this story seems so crazy when you consider everything. Maybe we can hope Bigelow will think he can face the Gorgon and live, the greedy *butt-head* will be exposed to an alien virus or worse. He'll at least then have his proof. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 1:28:56 GMT -6
Ok...that one made me chuckle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 2:46:19 GMT -6
~smirk~ My word filter worked!!
"*Butt-head*"
;D ;D ;D
Sorry. Small things like that amuse me.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 4, 2011 10:35:48 GMT -6
When talking about Bigelow I think we could have made an exception and used the original word. That *bleeping* *bleep* is a *bleeping* snake in *bleeping* worm's clothing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 12:00:38 GMT -6
When talking about Bigelow I think we could have made an exception and used the original word. That *bleeping* *bleep* is a *bleeping* snake in *bleeping* worm's clothing. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 12:14:21 GMT -6
What IS that old saying...."Garbage in.....garbage out" I think it is..
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2011 12:22:23 GMT -6
Am I the only one here who would do the dance of joy for something simple, cut-and-dried, easy to follow, easy to prove??? For the life of me I can't see anyone getting their hands on.. much less injuring one of the things. In the first place they have astonishing mental energy that allows them to control their subjects and I can't believe they don't have strong defenses if they need them. Energy beams..sophisticated instruments..I just don't see how anyone could get the drop on one that easily..especially if it had company..they can use their minds together... I know that much about them. On the other hand..it's sure not something to be dismissed out of hand..if he did manage to kill one he could have opened some doors we'd come to regret. Steve..could you ask Han about this? Maybe he's heard through some cosmic grapevine?? Hi Jo, I certainly will. Another session this afternoon - for what it is worth. One question already for this afternoon is: "1. During abductions, or any human contact with aliens, are there any biohazard issues to humans from direct contact with extra-terrestrials??" We both immediately from reading the account had the same first question. How do you get the drop on these guys? Where is the truth. if any, in all this curious nonsense. Love your term 'get the drop on them'. I have heard from and read in accounts usually several variations of the same things. Things we all here have read too. An alien will often carry in their hand a stick or baton, point it at a person, and immobilize (freeze - not collapse) a specific person. Is gravity suspended too? What if someone is paralyzed off balance? They still fall over like a log? Apparently not, regardless. They also seem to have an ability to do the same for a specific 'area', a room full of people, or at some considerable distance (yards or meters away) - irregardless whether out in the open or in an enclosure. In other accounts, no 'stick' or baton is ever seen. But the temporary paralysis still occurs. Perhaps triggered remotely by a alien somewhere else - aboard the craft monitoring? The paralysis is usually the same. All involuntary body functions - we assume heart, breathing. Consciousness continues. The paralysis seems to effect everything except movement of the eyes. So the paralysis administered is very sophisticated and specific. I suspect this paralysis is aimed at the human brain, where the central nervous system all comes together. Best I can determine from these accounts, time is not effected itself, only the human minds sense of the passage of time, or lack of. In most cases, persons associated with someone the aliens are interested in, if asleep - seem to be rendered into a state were they will not be able to be awakened during the experience. Pets, dogs specifically - also seem to be rendered still and passive - undetermined if they are asleep, or awake, just immobile. It all seems to be a field or area around the experiencer that effects the minds of those effected. It appears to be 'beyond human' technology designed to effect or 'zap' parts of the human mind. I can only think, if the Edmonds account is true - perhaps he got lucky? Maybe attacking at a time when they were most vulnerable? The story says three entity's were standing together when it happened, and after the attack - they dematerialized immediately in front of him. Perhaps one energy field to protect was replaced briefly with another to transport them away? Maybe the were not transported, just rendered invisible? But then, there would still have been a trail of 'blood' afterward. Oh why waste time on this! The good I see is this strange account forces us to challenge this story with all we think we know hereto-before. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Sept 4, 2011 12:38:13 GMT -6
There have been several people who have claimed to have killed aliens in one way or another but the evidence never seems to surface. They usually say they buried it or it was stolen by MiBs or their dog ate it...whatever. This one is similar in that the dead or wounded alien disappeared but different because he supposedly recovered some bodily fluids from it. Just for the heck of it I would like to read some of the other accounts of aliens getting killed by people and see how they compare to this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 12:50:13 GMT -6
What IS that old saying...."Garbage in.....garbage out" I think it is.. Jawohl meine Freundin! [Yessirre my (female) friend!] Steve: Good luck with your session. I'm looking forward to reading about it. As far as the paralysis thing goes... they do seem to be able to affect everything except the eyes. During MY encounter... I could move my eyes around, and I was able to control my breathing consciously as well. I noticed I was breathing loudly (of course I was in a panicked adrenaline state... couldn't do anything about it though...) and, in a vain attempt to keep the entities from noticing me (hah... silly me I thought they didn't know I was there... ) I tried to breathe quieter and slower and it worked... until the one turned over and looked at me of course. I remember that vividly... because that was the ONLY thing I could do... so I did it. The last few times I've had sleep paralysis though... my eyes were frozen shut... which is really unusual considering the other episodes I have had prior to this past year. Maybe they sense and are aware of my fear since I've been thinking and reading about it and they don't want me to have a heart attack... ~shrug~ Sky: ~hugz~
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2011 13:02:47 GMT -6
Reading further about this strange case, whatever may have happened, may have occurred in early 2009? A website- UFO Digest- posted a letter dated April 29, 2009 (authentic?) stating Levengood & his associate Nimke received the samples then. If true, the timing would be around the same time as the Bigelow/Mufon SIP program was being formulated. I wonder if Bigelow's impetus was to widen the search to find more? What analysis of these samples has been done since? www.ufodigest.com/article/alien-tissue-and-fluid-samples-preliminary-report-i-updateSteve
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 14:06:38 GMT -6
It's like George Jetson meets Fred Flintstone.. LOL I'm looking forward to your session Steve. I'm so happy you're sharing
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Post by casper on Sept 4, 2011 19:49:00 GMT -6
I don't believe this story either. it sounds silly. nobody uses samurai swords anymore because now we have guns. Why didn't the rancher pull out a .45 instead of a silly sword?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 20:22:14 GMT -6
I don't believe this story either. it sounds silly. nobody uses samurai swords anymore because now we have guns. Why didn't the rancher pull out a .45 instead of a silly sword? A lot of people my age are very interested in Japanese stuff. One of my ex boyfriends had a couple of Japanese style swords in his apartment because he thought it was cool. He showed me moves with them too. It was a fad back in the day... some people are still interested in it. He was probably my age... typically people who like Japanese Anime and stuff have those swords.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 4, 2011 20:29:11 GMT -6
If this happened way back in 2009 that was two and a half years ago. Surely the samples have been analyzed by now. I would assume that the only reason we have not heard anything about them is that either they were bogus or that &$%$@ Bigelow got his hands on them and refuses to share them with anybody...like he usually does. So why is this story gaining momentum again now? Has anything happened recently?
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Post by lois on Sept 4, 2011 23:09:41 GMT -6
There have been several people who have claimed to have killed aliens in one way or another but the evidence never seems to surface. They usually say they buried it or it was stolen by MiBs or their dog ate it...whatever. This one is similar in that the dead or wounded alien disappeared but different because he supposedly recovered some bodily fluids from it. Just for the heck of it I would like to read some of the other accounts of aliens getting killed by people and see how they compare to this one. sky .. at Mufon I posted a wild story .. It was during world war 11. On a street in Europe, I don't remember the country now. I have no clue how to find it either. But this guy shoots an alien on the street who is after him an his family, it has a beginning to it before that night he shot the gray. I believe there was more than one alien involved in this.. It was a long story.. Do you remember it from mufon Sky?
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Post by lois on Sept 4, 2011 23:12:42 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Sept 4, 2011 23:38:20 GMT -6
I personally think they may have sold it all to Bigelow and he is looking at all of our personal conversations right now. Either way we will never see any of it again. I remember the story you are talking about but I have no idea how to find it right now. I'll have to look around for it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 0:06:03 GMT -6
~waves frantically and excitedly at Mr. Bigelow~ Hiiiii!! Want some coffee? I gots some! ;D Before I pass judgement on someone, I always invite them to coffee first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 1:48:56 GMT -6
Dayum..it just goes against everything I gleaned from being with them even for a short time..they are just NOT vulnerable beings as we are...just the opposite. Mentally, hugely strong and calculating. They wouldn't have been in that position in the first place and they wouldn't need to use a weapon they would 'remove' the threat..beam it or him or cause him to 'freeze' ...they are quite good at that. The sword..I don't know about..in the dead of night I think most would carry a gun. If they have animals there, most ranchers would go out with a gun in case of coyote or cat..we always did. You just don't think 'predator' and carry a sword unless it's all you have and still you just would not have the opportunity to use one against a 'gray'. IMO Whole thing just sounds like dumb bragging and I hope that's all it is.
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Post by Steve on Sept 5, 2011 12:21:24 GMT -6
I have been doing some research into this. Made a few phone calls, searched the web.
I believe the whole thing now is a hoax perhaps created by the witness claiming to have used a sword on an alien. And subsequently made available samples of alien body fluids (blood or whatever) to Darrel Sims and separately to Robert Bigelow's people. I suspect none of this perhaps even happened.
Much does not make sense. Why would an Aerospace Company (Bigelow) with likely a higher than Top Secret clearance go public with a claim like this against the very government that pays his bills?
Checking with Elaine Douglass, it seems most or all these allegations came from the lone witness contact with Douglass. Elaine reportedly said the witness sent an email to her reform Mufon website complaining about Mufon and Bigelow allegedly. Checks of the UFO Digest website displayed a letter supposedly from Levengood's lab that they had received samples in April 2009. So when did this even occur? Elaine, and another investigator I was in contact with could not pinpoint a time. This is a fundamental question any investigator should ask. Yet Elaine & the other investigator astonishingly did not know when it happened.
Darrel Sims was supposedly present according to Douglass (told to her by the witness) and obtained samples of the alien fluid. I do not know Sims that well, but other investigators shared Sims has in the past been well known for attention seeking behavior reportedly.
Finally, a search of the witnesses Hopeful Hooves ranch in Arizona also revealed the Hopeful Hooves page on face book.
A photo of the witness on their face book page (their photo section) posing with members of a political disinformation group known as 'Anonymous' - an Internet disinformation group spoke volumes.
The witness spoke to Douglass reportedly (I believe Elaine to be sincere - just perhaps intentionally mislead?) stating being upset with Mufon and Bigelow. Just the kind of bate Elaine would go for. Bigelow, for all we have read, to be fair this time, maybe the villain of popular choice in persuading someone in a lie.
There are folks out there trying to discredit other UFO organizations outside of Mufon with the intent to ensnare with controversy. This story has so many wholes, it sinks IMO.
Steve
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Post by skywalker on Sept 5, 2011 16:31:42 GMT -6
I remember that letter to the CRM website now that you mention it. I just went over and checked but could not find it anywhere. All they had posted were letters from June.
So it would appear that this whole story is a hoax made up by the "witness" for some stupid reason. My question now is what part did Levengood play in it. If he received the so-called "alien" samples did he actually analyze them, and if so, what were the results? If he found out it was a hoax surely he would have said something to somebody about it, otherwise his credibility could suffer.
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