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Post by Steve on Jan 9, 2011 14:03:28 GMT -6
I want to thank everyone's kindness looking for me at UFOmania and now here. Ufomania = David, and now Edge of Reality = Steve. I am a practical person, so it was only logical to create a membership here too. I saw plenty that was going on within the old Mufon Forum then as a moderator. I saw a lot of odd things going on at the same time within Mufon in my higher position then. I still see strange things going on there. I am now doing abduction or CE-3/CE-4 research, which has been very active and on going. I have completed Have completed 362 ufo cases in the Mufon CMS - and a bit more outside of Mufon - some involving abductions, and even a case related to UFO crash retrievals and the US Army. Writing an article now on that. If those cases involved practically the entire Vallee catalog....regretfully I never had the opportunity to investigate a real crop circle....the one I did collaborate on one turned out to be just a crop circle created for a new CD album cover for a local Rock Band near Fresno! Bummer! JJFlash respectfully has never investigated in the field any UFO phenomenon in the real world in actual boots on the ground field work. That is fine, many don't. He is a citizen of the Internet only. Anything that disagrees with his predetermined view is then 'inferior or incompetent research'. Maybe so, maybe not, but having never investigated anything in the real world....how would he ever know? This and my respectful disagreement we had with JJFlash that all alien abduction experiencers must be victims of government mind control experiments - and never consider any sort of possible extraterrestrial contact in some form (my stance) were our only real basic disagreements. Much of what we might disagree stems from that long ago. Anywhere else, you could say "so what?". A difference of opinion. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence and hunches on both sides. In UFOmania JJFlash never contacted me directly, and only what you saw in UFOmania in public posts that everyone (I think) saw too was all I was basically exposed to. Stiver seemed nice, and JJFlash for the most part and JJ & I simply ignored each other. It only got weird when suddenly Stiver made JJ a moderator. It was not really any a concern to me at all, but it apparently had become a huge deal for others in the UFOmania forum. It also indicated a big change from Stiver's once before neutral stance in appearances. Maybe they panicked when they found out who I really was? Can't believe that. LOL. Making JJ a moderator an overreaction as a check toward me? I believe Skywalker noticed me first...."you write like this guy in the old forum...", then I think Stiver must have known early then too. Having been one, frankly being a moderator sucks. I did it for a number of years and grew tired of it. Most do not wear it well. Been there and done that. You have to be very tolerant, which we all should be any way as human beings, even more so considering the more unusual topics we often discuss. A moderator is often like a 'cargo master' on a huge military cargo plane. Each flight means a new set of gross weights, always a new center of gravity so the plane flies properly and safely. The same is true with a moderator as the center of gravity on many topics and silly personal conflicts emerge and disappear. The center of gravity is always shifting. If you don't recognize a major shift in gravity, you crash! Worse...imagine as an administrator! Poor Patty Donahue of the old forum. (and to a different degree...Stiver too). Patty was really hurt by Mufon, and felt used by her local state director too. Been there and done that too. As being myself a former chief investigator and Assistant State Director with some access. Since I resigned because of feeling manipulated and used too, their state rankings completing cases has now plummeted since. Too bad Mufon seems to learn the hard way who actually does the hard work vs, who takes credit for it. That is a huge fault of any top down organization. Volunteer or otherwise. That was true with Patty too. What a nice lady that had become stuck in the middle. Mufon changed for both Patty and I for different reasons I suspect respectfully of patty's views perhaps....we didn't change. It wasn't because we were old fashion, God knows I kept trying to drag them along at times it seemed....it was because of my conscious - wondering and getting notes confirming Mufon might now be a pseudo - Blue book. All the Mufon board members were former military intelligence. We know Carrion was, nice fellow, we just disagree about that little something called 'Roswell'. Clifford Clift is former US Army Mil Intel. Marie Malzan is former Military Intel - Marines. Chase Kloetzke, Star Team head....former FBI and instructor at the NCIS school...the Sara Palin of Mufon! One board member interestingly works for the US patent office. Such board members with such unusual similar backgrounds is not a coincidence. But sympathetically too.... the military Intel community remains so even after their service to their country ...(our country I keep reminding myself)...so it is a tight little group were many already know each other. So such associations might seem natural too..... It wasn't a concern for a very long while....but I was beginning to upset people unexpectedly asking too many questions. Then it got really weird. 'Kingdoms' were surprisingly now feeling threatened. Like I said...weird. Never wish to be a moderator again, but I do understand their situation empathetically. Admittedly it is not very interesting over at UFOmania much anymore, but it is an important forum on UFOs and related things, though it seems to be less about UFO's and more about others things. JJFlash quotes J. Vallee often, I have a number of his books. He lives locally not far from me, but Vallee has changed considerably from 20 years ago. Not his stance respectfully on UFO's, and what they may represent, but Vallee has noticeably become very 'corporate' and a wealthy man (good for him!), but do many know here during Mufon's first jaunt with Bigelow on the Star Team escapade, that Vallee was one of Bigelow's corporate board members with Bigelow aerospace? I know many have certain opinions of Robert Bigelow, I would hesitate what association Vallee has. Just illustrating that we often are discussing complex topics in a complex world (and perhaps in a extraterrestrial context too?). Dr. Vallee (Left) with other greats...Ted Phillips (center), and Tom Ferrario (right), at the undisclosed 'Marley Woods' UFO observation area (somewhere in Missouri). An ongoing field research project that has made some remarkable finds. Photo taken November 2010. So Dr. Vallee is still engaged & interested in some capacity in UFO field work. Ted Phillips and Dr. Vallee go way back, having worked very closely with Dr. J. Allen Hynek. Ted tells me he fondly keeps Dr. Hynek's famous smoking pipe in remembrance of him. I am open to answer any questions about all this here and in earlier posts above about me. I hope I can share anything pertaining to what I have outlined above too, and perhaps new things I or someone else has not thought of yet. I hope I can contribute interesting topics for discussion, and we all can take them apart and put them back together again... Just one word of note Sky, besides thank you for your support along with many others here....can we have the spell check function added here too as in Ufomania? As careful as I promise to try, Lorelei will be diligently checking my spelling..... Much to discuss. I hope I can help and contribute. I have a lot of experience to offer in stories and investigations I have had the privilege to conduct. Been a guest speaker at a number of meetings and symposiums, and even on a few radio talk stows. Perhaps I can insert a little humor too. So in a way, I have not left UFOmania, just joined up here too. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Jan 9, 2011 14:46:42 GMT -6
I'm glad to have you join us here, Steve, and I'm glad you decided to stay over at Ufomania also. I never meant to take any members away from them. In spite of everything that has happened lately, I still care about that forum and I wish them the best of luck. I agree with what you said about the topics over there also. It seems that instead of talking about UFOs they are instead talking about the people who talk about UFOs. That is not something that I am all that interested in. It was not Jacques Vallee or Robert Bigelow who picked me up out of my bed with a beam of light. That is what I would really like to know about. Ufomania seems to be floundering under Jj's leadership. That is what happens when you put a skeptic in charge of a UFO forum. We seem to have a pretty good thing going on over here though, so as long as our fearless leader doesn't screw things up we should be alright. If you, or anybody else has any suggestions or improvements that you would like to see let us know. (The spell checker should be on there. It shows up on mine anyway.) Thanks for coming over Sky (I bet JJ is throwing a fit right now about your name. ;D)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 15:12:30 GMT -6
Thankyou for joining us Steve..I've missed your candid but open minded approach. I'm so happy to see you here!!!!!
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Post by auntym on Jan 9, 2011 15:15:38 GMT -6
WELCOME STEVE.... i'm happy to see you here too.... love your avatar....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 15:51:53 GMT -6
LOL Steve...
That was just the one word. ;D
I have spelling and typeo problems too on occasion, but since my friends and family have dubbed me "The grammar nazi", I can understand how you see it... lol.
My bosses too even... everyone randomly calls me and they'll say just one word, like: "Perplex."
My response: "P-e-r-p-l-e-x"
"Thanks!" ~click~
They know who to come to... lol...
I as well am glad to see you here!! ~hugs~
And you're right. After Auntym and Skywalker left the forum, it's not very interesting anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 18:42:15 GMT -6
Good grief yes..I cannot exist without the spell check..I'm far too..um..(I really don't want to say anal but..) about spelling and grammar.
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Post by paulette on Jan 10, 2011 11:44:10 GMT -6
Welcome Steve to another cyber oasis re: people who are puzzled by what they see and experience. I am keeping a foot in both camps but definitely agree that the focus there is on debunking people who speak or publish on the subject of the possibility or reality of extra terrestrial activities. Unfortunately, jj has a lot of material to work with, as there are hoaxers and people who perform operations physical and psychological that are questionable. This work is useful - I know now (a little) of what to look for in a hoaxed photo (a halo around the object where the background is blurred or gone).
I look forward to reading about your research. You are the real Mulder! Meanwhile art and bad TV imitates life (maybe) in the new series V. Gotta love that queen and her death dealing tail! (and all those eggs - now seeing that episode would have been interesting - cut to the shot of the turtle on the beach....
All good. Glad to know "where you are" (LOL) Steve/David/etc.
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Post by Steve on Jan 10, 2011 22:50:13 GMT -6
JJ has a lot of material to work with? Well....so do we! Skywalker is being kind, JJ is not a skeptic, we are. JJ is a debunker masquerading as something else. And not necessarily unintended either on his part. "I know too it was not Jacques Vallee or Robert Bigelow who picked me up out of my bed with a beam of light." Others here know that too I think. I have had wonderful, thoughtful, insightful, private conversations with most of you. Paulette too. I think there is so much we can learn from each other. Here to help, and be taught. The one thing I take with me now is knowing having learned interviewing people the value of a single human being. One case has been remarkable recently , and seems to now have started again. A couple abducted twice on consecutive nights, their desire to know what happened to them as they relate it. Now lately the discovery of a before unknown half sister and the weird non coincidences how they met and now share similar events. Once in different states, strange series of events have brought them where they now live just a hundred yards apart. It is all for some yet unknown purpose. In time, I will share more in a way that does not betray confidences of those involved for us here. You may have seen the artist image before, but I have never shown publicly before the actual campsite where it all happened.... the morning after. Luckily the witnesses took photos of their campsite. These photos were taken amazingly the morning after the first of their two abductions. They were in this strange malaise most of that day. They remember both seeing the disk the previous night...but little else unusual. When the same thing repeated the following night (same time too), they realized it was not a lucky happenstance being lucky enough to see such a craft... they immediately packed and dashed for home on the second morning...., not knowing much of what they experienced had yet still to be uncovered later in hypnosis sessions.
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Post by Arctic Amazon on Jan 11, 2011 5:21:50 GMT -6
I like the word "happenstance". ~smirk~
Thanks for sharing the photos. Interesting...
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Post by paulette on Jan 11, 2011 21:04:36 GMT -6
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I've always thought that being "under the trees" would be "safe". Obviously not in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 21:18:07 GMT -6
The ones I ran into were in the middle of trees and bushes..I don't think many obstacles present obstacles to the determined.
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Post by paulette on Jan 12, 2011 21:28:05 GMT -6
Just for the record - seeing the trees and the tent in the context of a visitation and meddling by others is causing the hair to stand up on my arms. I was strongly affected by the original picture of the light coming down through the trees that Steve originally posted. Might be some still covered personal history. My friends and I camped out a lot off the beaten path - in the middle of nowhere where there was a cave to explore (Texas and Mexico), when we were traveling somewhere - and I did as well. For some reason I was not concerned about having a snake, spider, or scorpion crawl into the sleeping bag with me. (Young - neural pathways not all wired up yet). Much less sky visitors. I did have a very strange event that occurred in Mexico - I may tell that later. Like most of my personally significant events it is to be immediately disregarded because we were altered. Or should it?
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Post by Steve on Jan 13, 2011 19:51:25 GMT -6
I have been very busy in the last 24 hours...but I have not forgotten about posting here the latest. If you wish to shift this discussion to another thread...please feel free to do so, so the original topic is not distracted. Myself, and my two other abduction research colleagues I work closely with have arranged at the end of the month to have a very long serious discussion (perhaps over Pizza...[so you see...it IS serious... ] ) with Mr. George Lobuono - author of 'Alien Mind'. All participating are excited (especially George). The purpose is to see if what George outlines in his book can perhaps assist us in our UFO investigations and abduction research. The UFO abduction problem is very complex, and we will be comparing notes. Since one may see only the trunk of the elephant, and another the tail of the elephant to use an analogy. If George is in contact often with ET's supposedly as he outlines in his amazing book, ... can he offer insights into these aliens? Are we asking the right questions to abductees? (both consciously, and during hypnotic regressions). Knowing what we are dealing with better...what can we learn to be more effective helping our experiencers we work with? Does a radical new approach exist? Can we create conditions easier for 'them' in making some kind of contact on their terms? After 60 plus years of western style scientific investigations, we do not seem to be making any real headway. I will fill you in on what is discussed and perhaps learn how to better connect with the various entities perhaps George relates. I know how far out this seems, but what do we have to loose in trying. This approach might offer something unexpected. And have the traditional approaches to the problem been really any more successful? Going where 'Mufonians' fear to tread. At the same time...on another related issue... Seems one of our abduction cases...the one I posted above...is getting even more interesting. Here is the email I received....with permission...and care has been taken to prevent anything in the text that might identify the witness or location.....(sorry)...But at least I can share this much... Follow up questionms over the phone reveals the fence is 8 feet high, and about 6 feet from bedroom window, so if witness was inside adjacent to window...the witness may have been approximately 8 to 10 feet from reported 'entity'. Further questioning revealed this being was completely still, as if 'acting opossum'. When it perhaps sensed it was noticed by the witness, it's head then slowly moved eerily first slightly to the left, then double backing to the right, gazing directly at the witness. It's eyes were not large black slanted stereotypical eyes as seen on the Internet of what we imagine a gray might be like (gee...you don't look a thing like your pictures on the Internet...LOL) - they were large horizontal open slits, like large eye lids...lid on bottom and top of eye area, and I noted to see directly ahead...the being may have had to turn it's entire head slightly interestingly....). Witness is doing a artist rendering now... This is an on going continuing case at present. Me and my colleagues are planning to pay a visit to the witness location soon. Below is the description in the witnesses own words.... Steve Hi Steve, It seems so weird to be writing this as I have tried to ignore the situation however, night before last my husband and I were out side and low and behold, another sighting this time hubby was a witness. It was about 7 pm at night as we were standing out side. I was looking up in the sky and saw something that didn't look right. As I watched it was moving coming toward the house but was up high in the sky. It was brilliant like a planet but not he same glowing presence. It was a bright object it was traveling extremely fast not red colors no blue colors just white light around this object. Definitely not a falling star I told my husband to come look. Doubting Thomas needed to see this one for sure.... He saw it and of course my smart reply was "Well smarty, now what do you think? He just stood there looking as it came closer and then up it went and it was gone. I said what do you think that was?.... he said well it was definitely something but what it was I don't know. His childhood ‘Leave it to Beaver’ life as a kid has made this guy solid as a rock which is a good thing to a degree as he helps me stay grounded but, if you would have heard his voice as it cracked with disbelief in what he had just seen, you would have laughed.... any how this is what I saw that I am having trouble coming to grips with as it was the same place I heard the clicking out my bedroom window. It was Jan 1 2011; 2 am I was awake immediately and heard a noise on my fence a cracking clicking sound.....again. I managed to pull my self to the window I was really afraid to look but I had to. I was drawn...when I looked I saw something that made me so afraid I could hardly breathe. My heart was in my ears pounding in my head. It was a being. Its color was off white grayish. It showed up in the darkness not glowing just there and I could see it perfectly. And odd color and to see this at darkest night..... It had a head shaped like an egg but large at the top. I couldn't see a mouth but I could see slits for what appeared to be its eyes. Its frame looked out of proportion in comparison to the head. Skinny neck and small shoulders. I only saw its upper half just its upper torso. I could not tell if it was standing on my fence or not....weird thing.... my dogs were suddenly silent and nothing passes their attention. it appeared to stare at me but I could not see its eyes.....this only lasted for a moment as I was so freaked out I just got as close to bob as I could.....I laid there not making a sound and trying to regain my breathing thinking I would have a heart attack... I am freaked out to the max and I have no window coverings but I don’t think it matters if you cover your windows or not. I feel like I am a guest now on their turf....I don’t feel at home. I am trying very hard to get back to the norm and try to ignore this but for some dame reason.....it is not happening. It’s not letting me have my space or peace...I always have a reminder about company being close at hand. Even my cats are not acting the same as though I have company when I am walking down the run in the compound. I will explain more when we talk as my hair is standing on end and writing this I am feeling like some one is looking over my shoulder so I will stop for now Please call me as soon as you can evenings are best 8 or 9 Thank you and we will talk again soon....
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Post by Steve on Jan 13, 2011 21:08:25 GMT -6
I just have been busy on the phone calming down the person (the family) that saw this entity (or so they report) for two nights on the phone. One thing you do talking with a witness in a situation like this is to mentally 'shift their perspective'. Or so our hypnotheripist advises. Pauline? Maybe you can inject here.
Like many times in regressions too, as here consciously...you try to get them to shift their focus ...into the third person...if gives you some sense of detachment so you are not paralyzed in fear....it builds courage and are perhaps able to focus and perhaps get a handle on the situation.
Or at least that is one way of doing it....yet I feel honestly like....how would I know what it feels like emotionally facing an alien? I certainly cannot relate from experience ....so who am I I have asked myself these last 24 hours. I can only say it has been effective during hypnosis sessions...so it should work in this context too.
Steve
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Post by paulette on Jan 13, 2011 21:15:08 GMT -6
Wow! This is hot off the press material. I look forward to seeing the artist rendition of the being.
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Post by sunbow on Jan 13, 2011 21:44:36 GMT -6
Glad you joined Steve. Thanks for sharing this case.
This is a very important statement "the value of a single human being." I think as we see all the different personalities, who each walked their own roads, we need to value them all, even if we completely disagree.
Just started the Alien Mind. I'll be interested in that discussion.
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Post by lois on Jan 13, 2011 21:45:33 GMT -6
I would of woke my husband and demanded he go out and investigate this thing..
Thanks for posting, I always enjoyed every single case I have read on your post and that has been many.
You being here is so great. I too would love to see the artist rendition of this alien.. She did not see a craft this night? hummmmmmmmm!
Lois
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Post by lois on Jan 13, 2011 21:52:44 GMT -6
Sky, Maybe you should move this as Why I left Mufonia would be the last place I would look for it say a year from now.. I remember by passed experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 22:05:45 GMT -6
Or at least that is one way of doing it....yet I feel honestly like....how would I know what it feels like emotionally facing an alien? I certainly cannot relate from experience ....so who am I I have asked myself these last 24 hours. I can only say it has been effective during hypnosis sessions...so it should work in this context too. Steve That poor woman. I can only imagine what she is going through. I do remember when I saw the greys in the living room when I was eight. I remember the intense terror, powerlessness, disbelief and shock and all of those dozens of bad feelings snowballed into one powerful overwhelming maddening reality-shattering experience... although the experience for me has been dulled considerably over the years. I wish I could hug her.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 13, 2011 22:06:04 GMT -6
I already moved it Shami
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Post by Steve on Jan 14, 2011 19:51:42 GMT -6
Thank you Skywalker. A whittle place all my own!
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Post by skywalker on Jan 15, 2011 23:02:43 GMT -6
Yup. Make me proud, dude.
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Post by Steve on Jan 16, 2011 12:52:05 GMT -6
Case notes:
Got an email from one of my witnesses this morning.
"Hi Steve. They were back, _______ saw this time. Electricity went off for a moment - then came back on, then went off again. It was very strange. blue white pulsing light . Call me this eve I will explain better Sunday later"
I am noticing a clearer pattern forming. The lights seem to appear at 7 PM (19:00 hours) every other night. These lights consistently display predominately bright White frequency light, with Blue secondary color. Sometimes very small lights are seen moving through nearby trees. Other strange happenings closer around the property then seem to occur in the early morning of the same evening the lights are observed. To borrow a military term - 'little guy' insertion and later extraction?
The area subject to this activity is unique, and I cannot share why only because it would easily reveal this cases location and the witnesses.
But whatever has started in early December 2010 has not let up.
If these 'lights' seen both close and at some distance are indeed 'UFO's of off world origin (only reported perhaps so as anomalous by witnesses, and not yet further established by investigators on scene)....the usual checks for conventional objects show no obvious misidentification of a conventional explanation. Movements of lights and lighted airborne craft seen do not conform to usual aircraft patterns, orbits of satellites checked too (orbit of ISS always checked first).
All UFO colors stem from energetic, ionizing radiation or radiations which interact and ionize the air surrounding them. Using a color chart of photo energy, wavelength,
Photon Energy (eV) 3.26 - 2.58 = the color blue. Photon Energy of (eV) 1.97 to - 1.65 is lower (>) = the color red.
Anything lower in red photon Energy (< 1.65 eV) is in the infrared. Anything of higher photo energy above the color blue (> 3.26 eV) is in the ultraviolet. Of all the visible colors humans can detect, red and orange correspond to the least energy associated with the object expended (perhaps low power operation). Blue ionization of the surrounding air around an object requires a much higher energy being used. Blue, white and Blue/White would be common with high power operation. Any blend of colors tends to White, with Blue predominating...as in an electric arc. So whatever is being observed in the Blue/White range indicates high energy output. Whatever or whereever the source of the light may come from, the same physics we understand applies everywhere in the Universe.
Strange physical activity or effects are now surfacing - (loss of electrical power to residence). A CE-2 Vallee classification. Entity was seen clearly close up through a window only ten feet away from witness at 02:00 hours January 1, 2011 with strange clicking sounds now associated with entity seen. (CE-3)
Witness has reported a number of occasions earlier both outside in in the witnesses home of these same clicking sounds. Logic would then presume then entity or entities then where near and present in those reports too?
Five witnesses involved in case now, two half sisters, their husbands, and one half sisters daughter (adult). Awaiting witness drawings.
Other half sister continues to have painful headaches, and tone heard in her ear. This tone seems to be being heard at other times by the other half sister.
Another odd coincidence. Whenever I discuss this case with colleague over phone, I notice the witnesses hundreds of miles away have some sort of experience the same evening.
'Farm animals' are being closely watched by owners, so far they report nothing noticeable & seem unaffected, except for one strange event. The horses were found in their locked stalls when owners intended to have them in coral that day. No one seems to know how they were each put into their stalls and locked. Horses otherwise appear fine.
An often seen graduated step progression seems to be occurring, but building up to what? I suspect 'contact' in some form has already occurred. No 'missing time' consciously reported, but it is prudent to look further into this possibility.
This progression of careful exposure to the observed phenomenon also maybe separate and parallel. Earlier contact perhaps, but just being revealed to witnesses in a careful progression of events later?
One noticeable feature when the witnesses share their latest strange experience - none seem to ever relate how the experience ends. Particularly with the earlier entity sighting. These could be red flags.
I spoke with another abduction researcher, and they have had a theory many abductees or people they become interested in seem to congregate in the same geographical location or vicinity. Except in this case, perhaps unawares of the other.
Steve
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Post by skywalker on Jan 16, 2011 13:08:46 GMT -6
I spoke with another abduction researcher, and they have had a theory many abductees or people they become interested in seem to congregate in the same geographical location or vicinity. Except in this case, perhaps unawares of the other. Why do you think this is the case? Are the abductees drawn to the area due to some unknown calling, or is it that the reason there are so many abductees in the same area is because that is where the abductions are taking place? Random coincidence? Or how about this for a theory...since these alien visitors supposedly communicate telepathically, and since I personally believe one of the reasons people are abducted is to improve their own psychic or telepathic abilities, could the aliens be telepathically sending the abductees a message urging them to congregate in the same location? Or could it be that the abductees are subconsciously sending each other telepathic messages without even knowing it, which ends up drawing them closer to one another?
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Post by Steve on Jan 16, 2011 14:03:39 GMT -6
I spoke with another abduction researcher, and they have had a theory many abductees or people they become interested in seem to congregate in the same geographical location or vicinity. Except in this case, perhaps unawares of the other. Why do you think this is the case? Are the abductees drawn to the area due to some unknown calling, or is it that the reason there are so many abductees in the same area is because that is where the abductions are taking place? Random coincidence? Or how about this for a theory...since these alien visitors supposedly communicate telepathically, and since I personally believe one of the reasons people are abducted is to improve their own psychic or telepathic abilities, could the aliens be telepathically sending the abductees a message urging them to congregate in the same location? Or could it be that the abductees are subconsciously sending each other telepathic messages without even knowing it, which ends up drawing them closer to one another? It makes it easier for them. They maybe abducting in bunches. It might be we may have some latent organic telepathic ability in our evolution - but only to receive, not transmit. We might be like a human infant, we respond to sounds, but we cannot speak coherently, just baby talk. Again, we may be able to receive telepathically only when the ability to transmit is near - enter the aliens. The channels for communication remain closed till both directions in communication exists. Yet when we communicate telepathically in the presence of these aliens, which we normally may not have the ability to, it might be being 'amplified' (either implants or passive technology aboard their craft) to facilitate two way communication in those unique settings only. Neat and simple in concept. Whether they can manipulate time to return someone before the abduction began, or follow our normal linear time line (I feel both might be the case based on what is convenient for them) whatever is the case, there are serious logistical issues for these aliens (little guys) in any abduction process. Whether time displacement, or not....the primary concern the aliens must deal with is they always must have the experiencer returned before anyone else not involved nearby has noticed they have disappeared. Within hours or less. Like Cinderella, they must return and all seem normal again before the clock strikes.... not midnight as in the fairy tale, but from abduction accounts....before 03:15 to 05:00 hours when our society generally for the most part begins to stir. Many of us are then in our REM sleep phase then too. But also, they are just as adept at taking and returning (catch and release) in the daytime in the middle of a busy metropolis. That was one important contrasting aspect of the Travis Walton experience. Most abductees are returned within 1.5 to 4 hours. In the Walton case, he was gone for a week. Gone to such an extent Walton's disappearance was not only noticed alarmingly by family and friends, but very importantly by local law officials too. I think the aliens in wishing to work covertly, learned much from that. Keep 'the cops' and proof of disappearance out. Walton also showed signs of hunger and noticeable dehydration. The Walton case may have been given low marks by the aliens themselves for sloppy indiscretion. But whether this is the case or not....these critters seem to learn very fast. That is why aliens around abductees aboard the craft seem to work quickly and efficiently. They are on a tight frantic schedule. Why too sometimes, some experiencers report being taken in one set of night clothes, and returned in others. The answer might be some experiencers are being unbeknownst to them....'herded together'. Steve
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Post by harmony on Jan 16, 2011 15:27:59 GMT -6
Interesting, herding of the people. It always fascinates me to be able to read of your shared experiences. I wish more investigators were as forthcoming in sharing what they've learned over weeks, months, years. I appreciate your willingness of this type of sharing, especially your take on what is really going on in the abductee/ experiencer, and even alien world. It gives me glimpses of what I already feel to be true, but in such a matter-of-fact way. It also keeps me knowing that abductions are still happening and life still goes on. Thank you for taking the time to share with us, whether you realize it or not, your posts do not go unread:)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 17:16:17 GMT -6
This is what Jim Sparks said too. ~shrug~ It is entirely possible. Telepathy is very complicated Steve, believe me I know. The kind of telepathy I am able to achieve is "empathetic telepathy" as I call it. It is the raw primal feelings, emotions, and thoughts of my fellow man. These thoughts are always completely subconscious, but they surface into my own conscious mind after what seems like a "translation" going on in my mind. I receive the message from the other person, and it has to be "sorted out" and "organized" in a way that I can personally understand it. It's kind of like high voltage electricity being converted into lower voltage. I can read the minds of foreigners just as easily as the minds of people who speak my language. We all think the same deep down inside our minds. Like I said, human thought is very primal. However... the telepathy I received from the greys when I was 8 was different. It was a loud voice in my mind, and it did not need to be processed and translated. It was already right there... completely naked with no need to be unraveled by my mind. I could not control it. I could not interpret it. I could not block it. I could not deflect it. I can do all of these things with my human to human "empathetic telepathy". The phrase I will use to describe the way the grey communicated to me: "Forced and Conscious Telepathy" as opposed to "Empathetic (Sub-conscious) Telepathy". It is something I have never again experienced to my recollection... and I am very glad for that. I hope this is helpful to you.
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Post by lois on Jan 16, 2011 21:05:58 GMT -6
Interesting, herding of the people. It always fascinates me to be able to read of your shared experiences. I wish more investigators were as forthcoming in sharing what they've learned over weeks, months, years. I appreciate your willingness of this type of sharing, especially your take on what is really going on in the abductee/ experiencer, and even alien world. It gives me glimpses of what I already feel to be true, but in such a matter-of-fact way. It also keeps me knowing that abductions are still happening and life still goes on. Thank you for taking the time to share with us, whether you realize it or not, your posts do not go unread:) How nice Iseen1, this is what I been saying for years.. I did not want Steve to leave Ufomania, at any cost.. I knew he was David the day he came on. Steve made Mufon a very nice place to be. Any ufo forum would love to have him.. Aren't we the lucky ones.. Afraid when my computer crashed last March, I lost all Steve's investigation post. I was so disappointed.. Losing everyone and all the things I kept.. Steve you want to start over?? ;D ;D I mean all that was written. I got them in my head all stored up but many details I have forgotten .. I started a thread here right off. With a pic you posted for me about an encounter in Canada. It was a photo of the praying mantis type. They are in blue silk suits.. A witness stopped his vehicle along a road side. when he seen the ship. After his abduction he drew these aliens. The photo was all I got, took a long time and I found it on yahoo images. I will get the thread I started here under Aliens, Im sure it must be praying mantis again.. He! He! maybe I can retrieve one encounter after all... It is very nice of you to post all these reports and sightings as everyone else feels too I'm sure.. Lois
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Post by lois on Jan 16, 2011 21:10:58 GMT -6
Sorry Harmony.. I must remember your new name here..
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Post by paulette on Jan 16, 2011 21:24:00 GMT -6
Whoa....! Mental picture of New Age folks congregating in crop circles, Mayan ruins, etc. Maybe something to it (as in, works for some one besides the organizers of the event)
Keep this story unfolding.
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