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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 15:34:10 GMT -6
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Post by Steve on Feb 12, 2011 15:50:25 GMT -6
Lorelei read my mind. Thanks. Is the Perry Como version available? And hey! Good news, the witness has emailed me this morning stating the homeless man has been located seen riding his bicycle in a neighboring town! ;D A local church is now recovering his belongings off the witnesses property. Now maybe we can get on with this. 'Steve's Investigations' and other musical comedies.... And you thought UFO investigations were always serious.... Steve
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 15:58:24 GMT -6
Wow. I thought that WAS the Perry Como recording... until I listened to the whole thing and realized it was an artist who has trouble singing a-capella. ~shrug~ The backup singers were falling apart too, weren't they? Here's the Como version. I'm glad your case is getting back underway. Don't get discouraged Steve. Let's see if the threat of dropping the case gives the witness any incentive to send you the drawing. Maybe I should do a cover of this too... I know I could do a better ending... (better than the cover I posted first I mean) ~smirk~
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Post by Steve on Feb 12, 2011 16:04:13 GMT -6
You know what is a nice touch, when they did that awesome beginning scene in the Movie 'Contact', in the retro kaleidoscope of radio broadcasts as they go back in time, you briefly and appropriately hear a bit of Perry Como singing that song. Who would have 'thunk' we would be discussing Mr. Como on a UFO website.
(A portion of Como's 'Catch a falling star' is heard as the sequence departs Saturn).
Thanks, hug!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 16:14:35 GMT -6
I love that movie! The farther away from Earth we go... the farther back in time the radio signals. Masterfully done in my opinion.... ;D
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Post by casper on Feb 12, 2011 21:35:35 GMT -6
I have never seen contact. Is it any good?
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Post by Steve on Feb 13, 2011 11:45:28 GMT -6
I have never seen contact. Is it any good? Yes, I thought so. My wife watches it often to my surprise. The circumstances for the first contact is interesting when Jodie Foster's character - Dr. Ellie Arroway meets the Vega entity (played by David Morse appearing as Ellie's beloved Dad) where the alien arranges appearing for her in a pleasant form in a beautiful setting. (the beach looks almost surreal, which for the story.. really is). The notion of meeting in such a way coming from Carl Sagan (and the screen writers) is not dissimilar at all from the many abduction reports involving 'shape shifting' and 'screened memories'. As if 'reality' is wrapped neatly packaged within 'unreality'. Which is which? "The same, or distinctly separate in the experiencer's mind? Then not surprisingly too, upon Dr. Arroway's return the great controversy ensues - both deeply introspectively for 'Ellie', and in the official public forums debating whether alien contact was actually made or not. See the parallels? A little ironic coming from Carl Sagan, who publicly frowned on UFO reports. But privately? Something I have always wondered about Sagan after watching this film. Steve And then there is the film's closing scene 'smoking gun' you might say - Rachel Constantine: I assume you read the confidential findings report from the investigating committee. Michael Kitz: I flipped through it. Rachel Constantine: I was especially interested in the section on Arroway's video unit. The one that recorded the static? Michael Kitz: Continue. Rachel Constantine: The fact that it recorded static isn't what interests me. Michael Kitz: [pauses] Continue. Rachel Constantine: What interests me is that it recorded approximately eighteen hours of it. Michael Kitz: [leans forward so he is looking directly in the camera] That is interesting, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 15:20:57 GMT -6
Yep... Because on Earth she wasn't "gone", the capsule she was in only appeared to fall straight through the glowing light thingy, so as far as everyone else was concerned, she didn't go anywhere. Of course... that's confidential. Everyone else on Earth now believes she's just a nut-job, and the government people will keep it that way. Ain't it great how that works out? ~rolls eyes~ Good movie though. One of my favorites.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 13, 2011 16:34:58 GMT -6
So that's why we are all considered to be nut-jobs...because the government says so. I'm glad we got that settled. I'm going to go put my tin-foil hat on now.
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2011 19:40:06 GMT -6
Finally, below is the entity the witness has drawn from memory which was reportedly ten to fifteen feet away outside her bedroom window seen in low light conditions. The entity was standing in front of a wood fence about 6 feet tall about 15 feet away. This image is from a photo taken by the witness of the original drawing now being sent in the mail. I had the witness also draw a typical human for comparison. This to gage with something familiar the witnesses artistic ability. It is more my own 'Subjectively test'. How artistically her mental image might translate onto paper. Actually her renderings of both figures are better than she modestly let on. People almost always tend to render eyes larger. They always go for the eyes first... This is typical of what we see in many renderings of ET's too. The entities eyes I notice are always rendered by abductees very large. In reality, I wonder if they really are as big? Note the faint impression of cheekbones too. What ET drawings that might be widely circulated as literal around on the Internet might be in reality naturally very subjective. Other features, the large cranium, little or no ears, small mouth, pronounced pointy chin. The witness in describing over the phone the entities nose was interesting. It was rather inconspicuous, even translucent. While the rest of the facial skin seemed an opaque leathery chalky texture.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Feb 15, 2011 19:53:18 GMT -6
I don't know...are you sure you posted it? I don't remember seeing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 3:45:28 GMT -6
Steve, your witness can certainly draw better than I can... LOL... Thanks for posting. I'm glad the picture finally came. Any new words on the homeless guy?
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Post by skywalker on Feb 16, 2011 4:37:26 GMT -6
Are these the same drawings that "disappeared" before or did she do some new ones? It's not really a bad depiction of an ET. The eyes seem to have a sinister look to them. Also it looks like the head might be a little elongated rather than round or pear shaped...is that the way she described it as being?
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Post by paulette on Feb 16, 2011 22:05:06 GMT -6
"Another admitted seeing UFO's while smoking peyote - end of case right there."
I have never heard of anyone smoking peyote - which is a thick fibrous juicy root of a cactus. Dried, theoretically it COULD be smoked but I never heard of anyone who did so. Eat it raw, eat it boiled down to a gooey disgusting tar, eat it dried in orange juice. Smoking it? Never in all my sixties experiences ....
So if someone says that they not only might be a drug user - they are also a liar about which drugs or substances they have used.
If you read my experience posting you know that I altered my consciousness. Many times. That did not bring down UFOs. Until one night it did. I have to take the devil's advocate side here and say - even though people may be discredited for seeing something or experiencing something while altered, the fact of being altered - and perhaps more telepathic and perhaps out in the middle of no where and open to whatever might happen - might account for things happening. I have to throw that in even though the fact of it invalidates a "scientific" investigation. (Unless you believe that real things and events happen to altered people.) Which I personally do...
I exclude drunkenness as serving to set oneself up for a visit but drunks can have bad nights and have unwanted experiences too.
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Post by auntym on Feb 16, 2011 22:22:07 GMT -6
what did the indians do with peyote?
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Post by paulette on Feb 16, 2011 23:10:38 GMT -6
Dried it (some of the obnoxious gym sock smell goes away) and chewed small amounts over a long night. Might have eaten it fresh as well. Peyote grows VERY slowly - the mother root has a succulent not thorned bump which is just above the surface of the ground. I once was in Mexico, camping and we discovered as we looked around that we were in someone's peyote "grove". Obviously roots had been harvested for years if not decades or more - but not completely taken and smaller buds came up around the central depression where the bigger root had been. We should not have been there and later we had a group of Indios come out there and ask us what we were doing.
We were leaving. That is the short story. There is a longer story to this as I had left before dawn to go watch the sun rise and missed the "welcoming" party. They were not expecting a female to suddenly arrive in a desert colored serape and long blowing hair. They called me a bruja (which means sorcerer or witch). It had been a tense moment - I was listening and wondered if they were going to haul my friends away to jail (or worse) and if so, if I wanted to be included in or left in the desert. I opted for staying with my friends. When the Indios saw me - they reacted strongly and they just left. And we just left.
We had sampled the peyote the night before but no one but me kept it down. I'm sure they noticed that as well. I had had a very intense but peaceful night - no UFO's. I need to say that because getting stoned or whatever does NOT make people see UFOs. IMO. I was aware that I was surrounded by serious cactus as well as a fall away arroyo. If I wandered I would have been at extreme risk of injury. I stayed in my bunk but according to my friends, at one point I sat up and said - They are here. I have to go. And fell back seemingly asleep but in truth actively astral tripping. I had "seen" 4 Huichol Indians (who use peyote and have characteristic woven patterns on their white regional costumes). Apparently I didn't want them to see me. The same thing played out "for real" in the morning and again I was "missing."
I wonder whether putting this up will be endangering to me even at the age of 60 something. I am opting for truth over safety. I have been outside the box and know that everything there that happens cannot be explained by drugs or meditation or even oxygen deprivation.
My husband who was easily the least spiritual person I ever met - a lasped Catholic with no imagination - saw the light when his heart stopped in the Emerg Room. They zapped him and brought his back. He told me, "I saw the f...ing light. It was pulling on me to come..." If he could do it - then its available to be seen. He lived to die of something else later.
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Post by Steve on Feb 17, 2011 22:45:51 GMT -6
What a beautifully written piece Paulette. You are that wise 'bruja' with the "long blowing hair". Astral spirits and extra terrestrials seem to come from different places. Depending on when they choose, they can coexist too depending on the situation. I have had the wonderful privilege to discuss with a number of people about their ETUFO experiences. They are personal things they share. I know enjoyably people who witness such events come from as many different places as there are people.
Steve
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Post by lois on Feb 17, 2011 23:10:13 GMT -6
I have those altered states but it comea with no drug of any kind..And I use to see ufos in this state of mind..But they the aliens are doing my altering to me right before I witness them. Thanks Paulette for sharing.. I had not even heard of peyote.. before.. must be some powerful drug.
Does it stop pain at all?.. Maybe some use it this way for pain. Is it possible?
Lois
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Post by skywalker on Feb 18, 2011 9:41:59 GMT -6
Peyote is a tiny little cactus that contains a very powerful hallucinogenic substance. I doubt that anybody would use it for pain since there are other drugs like morphine or codeine that would be much more effective. I suppose anything is possible though.
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Post by paulette on Feb 18, 2011 10:29:57 GMT -6
Peyote is still legally used by First Nations persons in North and Central America (I believe they have to join the "Church") ritually. Although I can't imagine anyone considering it as a solution to pain (as in, deadening pain responses) it is used to heal and also challenge people spiritually - to open them up to the larger realities. In the state one could heal or be healed. One could also sicken or be adversely affected. Although the Castenada books about Don Juan are fictional, I do believe that he did research (as did John Lilly) into the practices of the curanderos and specifically the Huichol Indians. The premise of Castenada's books is that one must learn discipline - physically and spiritually in many planes of existence. This is not unlike what I have read about the operant practices of the Tibetan Buddhists who can kept their body temperatures up wearing little more than a cotton robe (and a test is being dipped in an icy stream and wrapped in freezing wet blankets and keeping themselves warm), going without sleep, memorizing prodigious amounts of text, etc.
The people whom I hung with had "discovered" peyote with absolutely no realization that in other parts of the USA (like California) people were busy altering themselves and that there was a "movement" growing in numbers. I would not use the word "recreational" for the experiments and experiences that we had.
I will say one thing about the possible healing qualities of being in an altered consciousness. Experiments were done by Leary to see if having a psychedelic experience would be useful to people facing death (to realize that there is more to life than having a body). I believe this was quickly shut down. I once decided to trip while sick with the flu. A friend pleaded with me to accompany him on a mental/spiritual sojourn and I did. We at one point were lying outside in the wet grass - I had had a flash of common sense and thought - we are going to be covered with chigger bites and I will probably have pneumonia. Interestingly, the next morning after the moon went down and we did too I did not have a cold or any symptoms of unwellness nor did we have insect bites. Just another chapter in the book of Crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 15:23:04 GMT -6
I miss a few things about living in the South. One of them is NOT chiggers... Thanks for sharing Paulette. Young people experiment with such things anyway... I used to smoke pot back when I was 19... I mean duh... I used to hang out with musicians. ;D Pot doesn't make you hallucinate though. I don't think I could handle something like Peyote. There's a lot of madness built up in my mind. I'm not stable enough to open up those doors methinks... I would most likely have a very bad trip...
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Post by paulette on Feb 18, 2011 20:20:33 GMT -6
My experiences were mixed but I grew to trust the universe. I also learned absolutely that I and all the living and mineral manifestations I came into contact with were ALL THE SAME. Vibrational buzzing dances of atoms and smaller and smaller bits. Many many decades later I came across a Tibetian prayer for the newly dead (that a friend of mine chanted over her comatose mother) and it mentioned the Buddhas on each whirling atom and smaller and smaller....I think I had hit on a truth celebrated by people who do not alter with any substance. It was comforting to know that all were my relations. As the Plains Indians say:
All my relations...
And they mean the total world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 6:11:02 GMT -6
As the Plains Indians say: All my relations... And they mean the total world. Maybe even the total universe...
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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2011 13:10:51 GMT -6
a nice title for a book too.... 'All my Relations'....
Steve
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 14:51:39 GMT -6
Sometimes that universe feels very small..sometimes incomprehensibly huge. Thank you Paulette.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 19, 2011 20:35:08 GMT -6
a nice title for a book too.... 'All my Relations'.... Steve That is a good title for a book. Now if we had a book without a title we would be in business.
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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2011 23:50:44 GMT -6
a nice title for a book too.... 'All my Relations'.... Steve That is a good title for a book. Now if we had a book without a title we would be in business. ;D Steve
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Post by Steve on Feb 20, 2011 22:40:10 GMT -6
Every now and then I am struck by what the Internet offers at times. Too much information , sifting. Other times, frustratingly little. Important little gold things lost in the slag.
I have never taken Facebook too seriously. It has been a good tool for introducing oneself, it has opened doors sharing cartoons and jokes. But it has also brought new abduction research clients too.
Jim Penniston (Rendlesham Forest) out of nowhere popped in. I knew who he was, and to my delight, he replied positively to my request to be 'a Face book friend'. Maybe now perhaps a little less 'bubblegum' on Facebook?
I don't know if anyone has ever asked him this before. I remember our discussions here in other threads in TEOR about the physical effects of UFO's on people. I know he spent a remarkable 45 minutes standing near a landed UFO, took copious notes, and reached out his hand, and touched this craft's smooth warm surface.
So I asked:
"Thank you for adding me to your friend list.
I have a question about Rendlesham Forest if I may ask.
My question: Have you noticed any ill physical effects on your person having touched and stood near the landed object in Rendlesham Forest 30 years ago?
I hope you are fine, but that has been one thing I have always wondered & been concerned about. I hope this is not too private a question. If it is, & you decline, I would understand.
Respectfully,"
Jim Penniston's prompt reply was:
"Hi Steve,
Answer is Yes.
Jim"
I still don't know the nature of what ill physical effects he might have, or if they are directly related to his and others Rendlesham Forest encounter with a landed unconventional flying Object.
In all the noise about UFOs, the weird extraordinary claims, and even weirder and frankly stupid debunker's still living in their flat Earth paradigm, Jim's answer 'Yes' is profound to me. I hope and wish him health and happiness, as I do for others.
Some dumb *bleep* debunker's on other websites can always demand physical evidence who cannot discern the difference. What if someone who have suffered ill physical effects qualify?
Bless people who like Jim that come forward. I will be in future installments discussing the physical effects UFO's further.
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Post by lois on Feb 20, 2011 23:05:44 GMT -6
Steve .. The ufo or aliens whatever went on that night, gave me brain damage. I have let people know it but they think me crazy.. They did something or the ufo did, thanks for bringing up this topic. I have tried to find others all my life by reading and reading and reading.. Nothing.. Not one seems to have a long term effect from a ufo. Only they were sick for a awhile with digestive problems. Or lung congestion. things of this nature. Never damaging someones brain.. I hate whoever flies these ufos. No one can tell me they think much of the people on this earth.. No concept or compassion. The aliens are doing someones dirty work. maybe..
Lois.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 0:52:18 GMT -6
~hugs to Lois~ I would hate to see whose dirty work they are doing though Lois... Steve... you should invite Jim to join the forum if he wants to. We won't ridicule him here... which is something I am sure he has endured on facebook... I would love to read or hear a more elaborate description of Jim's "yes" answer...
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