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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 15:33:26 GMT -6
You will have to contact Ron about what kind of dog he has Lois. I think a new dog now for you would be wonderful. I sense in your above post this feeling I get it would be great for you right now. As a name suggestion - how about 'Astro'? (the Jetsons) Recall Ron's dog wasn't very big. Not my intention to question Ron's account - but....well..yes..I am respectfully questioning one thing at least..... Wouldn't you think his dog would show some kind of marks or scars from his alleged experience? Steve I have a theory that maybe what happened to his dog was a screen-memory/psychological test. I suggested that to him on facebook, but he didn't really respond to his thoughts on this idea. ~shrug~ I mean, it does seem like a psychological test because he said the grey kept telling him, "He's just an animal. It doesn't matter." And Ron kept arguing with him and saying, "He's more than just an animal!" Seems like a mind-game to me... the greys are good at mind-games... but that's just my opinion...
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Post by Steve on Mar 10, 2011 20:37:36 GMT -6
Hi Lorelei, I think that is a very interesting idea. Thank you for suggesting it. In many such experiences related by people, it may seem the entities at times are interested in human emotional response. A common thing we often hear about are the images projected, which are often distressing involving cataclysms and predicted terrible future events - none of which ever occur. It is possible Ron's dog was never taken either. Just those thoughts placed there by the entities for the 'test', and that is the way Ron might then naturally recollect. A gage by the aliens to ascertain what Ron held dear.. What they could use to control Ron? No way really to prove any of this either. Regressive hypnosis might only elaborate in deeper detail what he may already believe consciously. It also makes you wonder about other experiencers relating seeing their children aboard a craft along with them. Where they? There is probably much distortion of reality going on in such encounters. Distortion from thoughts or images being implanted in the minds of those they may abduct. Distortion by the experiencers own mind perhaps too trying to grasp this shocking different reality as a coping mechanism. It has many wondering too who is causing these distortions of reality. Aliens, Milabs, or the experiencers own mind. Remember the original series Star Trek episode - 'The Menagerie'? Skillful at illusion, the aliens who lived on a remote planet offered a disabled former star ship captain a new reality i- a full and happy life - whole again. Yet all total illusion. What our minds interprets is all that reality really is. Whats the difference as long as those isolated share & enjoy the same socially accepted allusion? Talos 4 in the Menagerie in concept for one - a funny farm to another? Disturbingly, a number of such Sci-Fi concepts seem to embrace the Alien/Hybrid/Abduction paradigm. Debunker's always seize on this - often clumsily. Yet, is it all based on our own cultural influence though? Just because it can be conceived by the human mind & imagination, cannot an alien mind not conceive it too? Steve memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Menagerie
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Post by skywalker on Mar 10, 2011 21:01:36 GMT -6
That's an interesting thought. To take it a bit further, what if the whole alien/human hybrid thing is a sreen memory test, possibly to gage whether humans might be receptive to the idea in the future, or to measure their ability to care or have compassion for something different. Perhaps they think if they can teach us to care for human/alien hybrids then maybe caring for our own people of different races won't be such an impossibility. Of course, there is always a possibility that the entire abduction phenomenon is nothing but a big screen memory too.
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Post by Steve on Mar 27, 2011 12:36:06 GMT -6
Paola doing what she does & enjoys. Like me, out in the field digging up the amazing. Photo by me - 3/26/2011. Spent an interesting afternoon yesterday working with Paola Harris and our camera woman - documentary film maker Lori Wagner on an investigation. She flew in from Colorado to meet with me and my witnesses on another case I have been working on for two years now. They felt their travels were worth the effort and expect it will be incorporated as part of Paola's new book. It was nice meeting Paola and Lori. They were introduced to an amazing very complex case and it's witnesses - which I have shared not that much about - and really nothing here about it till this post. I hope too share further with you my friends here at the appropriate time. I read about Paola's new book on her Reme Baca & Jose Padilla case here in TEOR and after some thought - immediately phoned Paola. Paola is a bigger wheel in the UFO research community, and I felt that was where my case should proceed next. We filmed almost one to two full hours. Paola remarked - "this case is a movie!". So glad for these nice ladies step of faith in me to make the effort to travel a long way to check my case out - they felt it definitely worth their time and traveling expense afterward. www.paolaharris.com/home.htmPaola Leopizzi Harris (Italy/Europe/Vatican) is an Italo-American photojournalist and investigative reporter in the field of extraterrestrial related phenomena research. She is also a widely published free-lance writer, especially in Europe. She has studied extraterrestrial related phenomena since 1979 and is on personal terms with many of the leading researchers in the field - beginning back with Dr. J. Allen Hynek. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Mar 27, 2011 16:18:58 GMT -6
Way to go, dude! Sounds like a good move. Let me know when the book and movie comes out. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2011 21:11:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 0:10:42 GMT -6
In a few weeks something new I am involved with will be highlighted on Coast to Coast with the radio guest speaking about a new UFO investigation group forming - one in which I am going to be on it's advisory board - along with conducting investigations in the field too. As permissions are given at the appropriate time for me to share more - I will do so here for you. Steve ;D There is hope for the UFO community amidst the chaos of MUFON. Hooray for those responsible for this new investigation group!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:21:27 GMT -6
Steve,
Tell us more about this ARIRA (if you are allowed to). ;D
Pwees?
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Post by Steve on May 1, 2011 18:00:25 GMT -6
I was told not to share much about ARIRA now, but in a couple of weeks it's official kick off will be announced on George Nory's Coast to Coast - devoting 2 hours of the radio program with the ARIRA spokesperson. When the radio date and time is announced and passed on to me, I will post it here so you can all listen and hear about ARIRA first hand. After that ARIRA will be accepting cases and then I can share most any thing probably then. I was invited (the only way to become part of this 'agency') - as apposed to an 'organization' - and when told about how it would operate and it's purpose, I agreed to accept their invite (yesterday actually) - if you know me about how I think UFO cases should be handled and shared with the public - often discussed here such as in Skywalker's commentaries - I think you will be pleased with ARIRA's goals and purpose. It was a honor to be invited into this new deal. More soon. Steve
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Post by auntym on May 1, 2011 19:13:26 GMT -6
steve i wish you the best of luck with that.... congratulations!
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Post by satansrini on May 2, 2011 14:31:53 GMT -6
Hi Steve, I have gone through all the 7 pages of this thread - to be more precise, I have not left anything that is relevant - unread I sincerely admire the effort you are putting in into this. Hats off to you! You have mentioned that you feel there is a possibility that they might be playing with you.. I am curious, is this whole Investigation Service free of cost? I think you should file a fraud complaint against people who play you for these things. Do a costing of time and effort and charge them double the money. Not that you don't have these ideas.. I just get irritated by people who don't appreciate the effort, interest, seriousness and commitment shown by people and be callous about these things. Thats also one reason why I NEVER window shop. As i have been reading this, I was just waiting to read somewhere that you would say you paid a visit. Unfortunately could not read that! I think you should visit those people. May be stay at the tent of the homeless guy or even in these folks place. May be you and the husband should sleep in the same room. So you can wake him up if and when the action begins! I think you should go there. I think these guys if they are serious enough will pay atleast for your travel if not accomm & food. Regards, Srinivas
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Post by Steve on May 6, 2011 0:17:33 GMT -6
Here we are: www.arira.org/ ARIRA (Aerospace Research Investigation Reporting Agency) which is pronounced (a-rye'-ra) is a private research organization. Near the end of May 2011, Richard Lang will appear on Coast to Coast with George Nory (told it will be for 2 hours). This will be the official kick off of this new investigations 'agency'. We are ready to accept UAP reports on the web site now I believe. Added a monthly UFO sightings map today (my maps for this website - April 2011.) It shows just generic total sightings - monthly totals - and where, - no break down by object shape - combined from a number of public data bases - Mufon, NUFORC, and HBCCUFO data bases. The ARIRA site will fuction as a place to collect new sighting reports. Know that my home is here though if you are wondering. Steve www.hbccufo.org/view-reports.html
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 2:01:14 GMT -6
Here we are: www.arira.org/ ARIRA (Aerospace Research Investigation Reporting Agency) which is pronounced (a-rye'-ra) is a private research organization. Near the end of May 2011, Richard Lang will appear on Coast to Coast with George Nory (told it will be for 2 hours). This will be the official kick off of this new investigations 'agency'. We are ready to accept UAP reports on the web site now I believe. Added a monthly UFO sightings map today (my maps for this website - April 2011.) It shows just generic total sightings - monthly totals - and where, - no break down by object shape - combined from a number of public data bases - Mufon, NUFORC, and HBCCUFO data bases. The ARIRA site will fuction as a place to collect new sighting reports. Know that my home is here though if you are wondering. Steve www.hbccufo.org/view-reports.html;D ~hugs~
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Post by satansrini on May 6, 2011 3:10:34 GMT -6
So Steve, sorry I have not received a reply. Why wouldn't you go there?
Is it just funding or something else?
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Post by Steve on May 6, 2011 5:25:56 GMT -6
Hi Steve, I have gone through all the 7 pages of this thread - to be more precise, I have not left anything that is relevant - unread I sincerely admire the effort you are putting in into this. Hats off to you! You have mentioned that you feel there is a possibility that they might be playing with you.. I am curious, is this whole Investigation Service free of cost? I think you should file a fraud complaint against people who play you for these things. Do a costing of time and effort and charge them double the money. Not that you don't have these ideas.. I just get irritated by people who don't appreciate the effort, interest, seriousness and commitment shown by people and be callous about these things. Thats also one reason why I NEVER window shop. As i have been reading this, I was just waiting to read somewhere that you would say you paid a visit. Unfortunately could not read that! I think you should visit those people. May be stay at the tent of the homeless guy or even in these folks place. May be you and the husband should sleep in the same room. So you can wake him up if and when the action begins! I think you should go there. I think these guys if they are serious enough will pay at least for your travel if not accomm & food. Regards, Srinivas Hi Snnivas, Thank you for your compassionate thoughts. We felt a few months ago perhaps we might save our money by not going up to where these folks live. I think one of them was even writing a possible story or screenplay, and was basing one of their characters on me. So maybe they were using me? All investigations later with part of the people involved were over the phone. After a while I stopped being contacted by them, though I was still available to listen to them - but whatever happened or didn't happened seems to have stopped on their part. At some point you wait for them to shout if something occurs. I feel embarrassed having posted about a number of things, careful not to reveal anything that might betray identities. If they don't call, then will leave it there, having helped them through something strange on their part. So that is why I am reluctant to travel up to the location now. Have other priorities to tend to, work, family. I apologize if my thread became disjointed here. New cases will emerge and will pursue these here. The project with Paola Harris is still continueing. She is conducting her own research on my witnesses with my permission, maybe she can carry it farther. Trust Paola, and this way if something happened to me, the important story about this other family involving US Army crash recoveries will not be lost. I hope I have given Paola leads that someday might lead to somekind of disclosure of a secret history related to UFO's perhaps. Part of me having done many investigations, I feel like part of me wants to go for a long sleep. Respectfully, Steve
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Post by skywalker on May 6, 2011 7:06:27 GMT -6
That's okay, dude. Everybody needs to take a break every now and then. You've been working hard for a long time.
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Post by Steve on May 6, 2011 14:25:40 GMT -6
You can listen to Richard Lang's Radio interview on the Kate Valentine UFO Show talking about the new ARIRA. That program aired from 1:00 to 2:00 EST on Friday afternoon 5-6-2011 on 1160 WVNJ over the NY NJ Conn tri-state area. Hear it on the link to her website listed below. Rich, let us know a little sooner please.. www.atlanticcoastufos.com/kvufoshow/Steve
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Post by skywalker on May 6, 2011 17:29:27 GMT -6
You can listen to Richard Lang's Radio interview on the Kate Valentine UFO Show talking about the new ARIRA. That program aired from 1:00 to 2:00 EST on Friday afternoon 5-6-2011 on 1160 WVNJ over the NY NJ Conn tri-state area. Hear it on the link to her website listed below. Rich, let us know a little sooner please.. Yeah, Rich. Steve is on the advisory board and he doesn't even get advised about when the show is coming on? What's up with that? I'm listening to the radio show right now.
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Post by skywalker on May 8, 2011 16:06:54 GMT -6
I agree, dude. Steve is pretty cool.
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Post by Steve on May 8, 2011 17:39:54 GMT -6
steve, I just want you to know that in the short amount of time ive known you, that you seem to be a very good investigator !!! not only do you use the "scientific approach"method to gather data, you also take the caring human approach as well,and ive noticed that thats something other researchers lack in ability. whatever happens with arira or wherever lifes journey takes you, I just wanted you to know that !!! cliff I agree, dude. Steve is pretty cool. Thank you Cliff, know I enjoyed talking with you too. Can't account for other 'researchers', but I always feel privileged to talk with someone who feels comfortable talking with me about such an unusual experience. Maybe I have talked to enough 'experiencers' that I perhaps understand a little more, or know what to ask perhaps? Listening to people about their experiences, there are often such similarities, but also in the details individual little things that make each encounter special & unique too. You begin perhaps to get a little more insight hopefully into these visitors. Maybe in return I cannot help but have also this sense of wonder about the whole thing. Also the apparent trauma many experience too - I do not know if I could fully emotionally integrate those kind of memories into my life if they occurred to me.. Just know you are not alone about this. Probably both less and more than we realize in the general population. Whatever happened, it was not a delusion for sure, since being in separate rooms that particular night only, both you and your ex shared something independantly at the same time to varying degrees of recollection. Your ex not as much, but your recollection by comparision - profound. You each sharing the same delusion? Impossible. Why I am drawn particularly to abductions involving 'couples' like this. Most are individual accounts. You described your family 10 years ago - it is often unusual for someone to have just one such encounter in their lives. Though some do it seems, best we can tell. Usually there can be a pattern or series of such visits over a long time. I wonder too if originally your ex-wife was the intent of that visit ten years ago? Since you are involved with another now, could similar experiences be continuing on with your ex-wife? No way to know if there is a history there. Her and her family regarded these things attributed to 'demons'. In denial, sympathetically that was the best way for her to cope. You did relate when she was a teenager she mentioned being buzzed by a triangle one night on a long lonely stretch of road in Missouri. Whatever was the intent, no doubt they were interested in you too. Don't contact your ex about this, best it be left alone and we pay attention to your experiences. When ARIRA starts, I expect a few more new cases will be added here I can freely share about. I am not going anywhere. This is my web home. We'll talk again. Steve
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Post by paulette on May 8, 2011 21:46:44 GMT -6
Looking forward to your new reports. As far as being "used" by people claiming contact - well, that comes with the territory. IMO you treat people respectfully and their cases thoroughly. Given that you and most field investigators are volunteers, that's as good as people are going to get. Some of the strange stories will be hoaxes, some will be enhanced versions of what might have happened and some with be in the twilight zone. So it goes.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 10:00:11 GMT -6
It is a family unit? Half sisters, their husbands and a child of one sister? I'm only supposing of course but I still have strong feelings that they are drawn to those who have 'telepathic' possibilities..in this case they may be drawn to the half sisters and the child. Energy fields..energy vortexes..the energy in some brains. I know the latest thing I remembered was seeing my friend's hair standing on end on the table she was on..I think the ships generate a lot of energy. I think the 'thrumming' I heard was the power source of the ship..an electrical 'pulsing'. This is such an interesting case Steve
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Post by skywalker on May 17, 2011 21:24:26 GMT -6
That's pretty cool. I didn't even know they made maps like that. I know that radiation increases the higher you go in altitude because the air is thinner and it lets more of the sun's rays through. It also increases as you go down under ground, like in a cave or mine because there is more radioactivity under the ground. There is also a lot of radiation in bananas because of all of the potassium in them. You should see one of those suckers make a Geiger counter click!
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Post by Steve on May 17, 2011 21:40:42 GMT -6
It is a family unit? Half sisters, their husbands and a child of one sister? I'm only supposing of course but I still have strong feelings that they are drawn to those who have 'telepathic' possibilities..in this case they may be drawn to the half sisters and the child. Energy fields..energy vortexes..the energy in some brains. I know the latest thing I remembered was seeing my friend's hair standing on end on the table she was on..I think the ships generate a lot of energy. I think the 'thrumming' I heard was the power source of the ship..an electrical 'pulsing'. This is such an interesting case Steve Jo, everyone, We originally thought these two families were connected by being half sisters. It seems one of the women was lying to the other. (a long story). That is why the other family once this was learned had the first lying family evicted from their rental property. In truth it turns out both families did live in the same area of southern California at the same time just a block apart as children. Both mothers of these women did know each other. But no half sisters - no possible genetic blood line ever existed we later found out. Our group still believe the abductions occurred though. By the fear they displayed under hypnosis - their body language (stress) clearly showed the hypnotheripist that whatever happened - it was quite real. Both subjects (husband & wife) - regressed separately - can't fake this to a certified therapist. This fact seems to be the only thing that saves this case. So we (our investigation group) - based on the facts of the case - could only conclude aliens abduct liar's too! The one woman we found out, lied in an effort to overly persuade the landlord family to rent their cabin to the first family (they were homeless at the time). If unrelated - the later lie did create a cloud over everything else. The couple originally came to us only knowing at first they had a close encounter twice with a UFO. But enter any possibility of a unrelated lie, even if later - any extraordinary claim of a UFO / abduction encounter becomes very vulnerable to falling down flat. Would you rationalize any differently? It seems while the rental family lived in the cabin, the landlord family did still have a number of high strangeness experiences including a face to face with an entity she drew and identified best she thinks to be a 'gray'. But since the renter's family deception was discovered - and have since moved - the landlord family has had no further experiences. The renter family has not had any experiences either. I disclose all this, if while protecting their identities (both the innocent and the guilty) - I would probably not use this case as an example of possible alien abduction. Most because the one 'non half -sister' lied to the other woman (and us). Still objectively canvassing all the facts - primarily & importantly on the hypnotheripists opinion - we are convinced both the husband and wife still had some kind of alien abduction experience. We are 95 to 98 % sure of that at least. I kept in contact - the half sister story by one of the women seemed too good to be true. The abduction the year before clearly seems still to have occurred - I guess the lesson learned was - aliens can abduct liars too. Concluding - Everyone has lied about something once in their life. Some - going about their lives - minding their own business - may even make claim later to have had an abduction experience too. Is my logic faulty? Steve
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Post by skywalker on May 18, 2011 22:21:34 GMT -6
I don't see any faulty logic in that. People can lie about anything, and a lot of people do. Some of those liars might also have been abducted. Lying doesn't change the facts about what happened to them it just makes it difficult, if not impossible, to verify exactly what those facts are. Once the witnesses are caught lying they no longer have any credibility.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 3:30:56 GMT -6
I don't see any faulty logic in that. People can lie about anything, and a lot of people do. Some of those liars might also have been abducted. Lying doesn't change the facts about what happened to them it just makes it difficult, if not impossible, to verify exactly what those facts are. Once the witnesses are caught lying they no longer have any credibility. Agree.
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Post by Steve on May 21, 2011 9:37:54 GMT -6
TEOR does not have a 'Hoax' catagory thread - so posting this here. This new 'intel' has come in to me personally over the' teletype' [sic] this morning... Something is afoot. So watch out for lies, hoaxes. Filter your information objectively. Will Mufon see through this? Probably (will see), but based from recent internal communications doubt their own people will know since they now have this stiffling 'secret climate' about free flow on internal information to where it is important - their people in the field. But sure the Mufon BOD knows...for all the worth that is. Link to poster image outlines the hoax instructions to bombard those UFO websites (or organizations) on the internet that accept sighting reports into their respective data bases. On May 22, 2011, at 20:00 hours Eastern time (United States), hoaxers are to simultainiously bombard internet UFO databases with sighting reports of a 'Large UFO triangle with 8 yellow lights' worldwide. The poster also calls such people interested in UFO's 'idiots'. I did send a friendly alert to Peter Davenport at NUFORC, Bill Pucket at 'UFO's Northwest', ARIRA, and EPIC. Steve "This Hoax deal. . . there is obviously more to this... the whole thing is Just too easy... can't help thinking someone is laying the ground work for a cover story, if needed. A mass UFO sighting hoax is being planned for May 22nd at 8 p.m. EST by the hackers groups known as 'Anonymous'. Here is the post: i.imgur.com/2f4eu.png Also interesting, this is the weekend that the extremist right wing Christians, think the world is coming to an end. (rapture scenario) This story was apparently initiated by a closely held (owned) Christian broadcasting group, which disseminated this idea nationally by radio broadcast and Billboards.
With impending Hoaxes and Religious Rapture events on the horizon for this weekend, there will be plenty of explanations available if something from the "other category" happens."
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 11:34:29 GMT -6
I had seen somewhere online that a big 'hoax' was planned. With National Geographic airing it's 'alien invasion' thing on Sunday and Harold Campings earthquake/rapture..apparently the conditions were just right for yet another asinine hoax. Bloody fools. Steve..it's disapointing that the 'sisters' lied but from what you've also said..I would have to say that the abductions are real. I am sure that by this time you could spot the inconsistancies in the multiple accounts. Single accounts I think would be harder..but when there are a number of abductees..it would take a lot of rehearsing to fool you and your team. Apparently..moral character isn't important to abducting aliens We can only build a profile on 'alien beings' from our own perspective. Our morals and what we know of physics, science and human nature. How can anyone possibly (with any accuracy) gauge another civilization based only on what we understand? In our society...lying, stealing, kidnapping, eating one another...are considered very morally pale if not downright sinful. Their character references in all probability are vastly different than ours. Maybe it's impossible for them to lie or unimportant because they have no motive or reason for it. Maybe they are basing a profile of us...based on what they understand
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Post by skywalker on May 21, 2011 11:43:48 GMT -6
I can't beleive we don't have a "hoax" section here. I'm the one who suggested they add one on Ufomania and then I don't even put one on my own forum? What a knucklehead. I'm going to create one right now. By the way, Swampy posted about this hoax before but it was originally planned for October 22, the day after the World was supposed to end. They must have moved it up because all of the "idiots", as they referred to them, were finding out about their stupid little scheme.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 12:13:17 GMT -6
I can't beleive we don't have a "hoax" section here. I'm the one who suggested they add one on Ufomania and then I don't even put one on my own forum? What a knucklehead. I'm going to create one right now. By the way, Swampy posted about this hoax before but it was originally planned for October 22, the day after the World was supposed to end. They must have moved it up because all of the "idiots", as they referred to them, were finding out about their stupid little scheme. Idiots huh? Well we aren't the ones who posted our scheme on the internet where everybody could see it... ~laughing so hard she is crying~ But we're the idiots according to them huh? I think they are the idiots.
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