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Apr 8, 2013 12:08:24 GMT -6
Post by randy on Apr 8, 2013 12:08:24 GMT -6
I have been reading a few articles on this subject which is rather scarey as our CIA was involved in this trying to create manchurian candidate type agents. What struck a note with me was the idea that such agents counld be programed to kill themselves after completing the assigned task and they would have no memory of the programing Children would be taken and subject to trauma to create the mind set needed for the programing to work The brutality of the programing is horrendous and the idea that our CIA was doing this up to the 1970s is horrific The handy number of mass shooters who shoot themselves after the deed has always sounded fishy to me. Now it seems that could fit Monarch programing techniques Our mass shooters could be created for political purposes. I have wondered about Columbine and the theatre shootings in Colorado being only a few miles apart. It could be something in the water or it could be the shooters were created at the same near by place. Whats your opinion
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Apr 8, 2013 23:30:20 GMT -6
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I know the CIA has played with remote viewing, telepathy, astral travel and so called mind control (aka Jason Bourne movies)..the problem is..mind control is just hypnosis strengthened over a period of time with repeated suggestion or with the added embellishment of drugs..the mind still slips the noose, not allowing itself to be a killing 'zombie'. Adding drugs to the mix only brought about the collapse of the mind into a deteriorating mental state. They had better luck with remote viewing...but even that is very hard to prove and has it's failings too. They still are working on the remote viewing/telepathy/astral travel angle..it's more feasible than programmed killers who are then programmed to kill themselves. As far as 'killing' machines..well trained agents, black mail or plain old bribery work better than the creation of paranoid nut jobs. I know..because my cousin was the product of this experimentation and basically..became a paranoid nut job.
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Post by randy on Apr 9, 2013 0:06:43 GMT -6
That they took kids at a young age to use in these practices is disturbing to me. they subject the kids to severe trauma to ge them to disassociate from reality forming an alternate identity which they then took over and controlled. On cue the person resorts to the alternate identity and does the dirty deed handy assassins can be created by this means. Recall that in Britain they set out to disprove the idea of programed assassins by trying make one and failing on a TV program. the flaw in this idea was that they succeeded to creating an assassin who passed lie detector tests as to having no porgraming but on cue the man took a gun and fired at a person picked out in a crowd who was really an actor in on the plot. The assassin really thought he was killing the man A TV program crated an assassin so why not a govt? Speaking from experience with the greys they do control you when they want to and you do live two separate lives in the dame body.. Thus MY opinion about some of our leadership. If the greys do control a Senator and they told the Senator to do a pool dance in the Senate the show would go on.
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I would want to see real proof of them taking children..not rumor.
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Apr 9, 2013 19:13:15 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Apr 9, 2013 19:13:15 GMT -6
There is one semi-documented case of a woman who was basically turned into a could-be brain washed assassin. Her name was Candy Jones and she was a very famous model back in the 40s and 50s. It seems that some government doctors "recruited" her against her will and used a combination of drugs and hypnosis to force her to unknowingly do things against her will and without her knowledge.
It worked essentially because she had a multiple personality disorder caused partially by an abusive childhood as well as a genetic predisposition for it. The doctors were able to use her other "personalities" to control her behavior while keeping it all hidden from her waking personality.
This appears to have been one of the government's earliest attempts at brainwashing and was a precursor to the MkUltra program that followed in the 50s, 60s and 70s. The only reason we know about Candy Jones is because she recalled the entire saga while under hypnosis later on, although the original intent of the hypnosis had nothing to do with any repressed memories. They just started coming out. She was also programmed to commit suicide and almost did.
I have also heard many other stories of the government conducting these types of experiments on unsuspecting civilians, including children. There is a lot of evidence here and there to support it but nothing overwhelmingly conclusive. We know enough to know that it did happen but not enough to know specific names, dates or other personal information about just who had been involved. The government covered their tracks very well.
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Apr 9, 2013 21:17:25 GMT -6
Post by randy on Apr 9, 2013 21:17:25 GMT -6
some where out there watching TV sipping a beer are programmed killers waiting for the go signal. Recall the old Charles Bronson movie Telefone. where programed people were activated to do their dirty deeds after the cold war was over. As long as they live the programed people are time bombs
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Apr 10, 2013 1:11:58 GMT -6
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Apr 10, 2013 10:06:56 GMT -6
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I was programmed by grey's to eliminate possible witnesses..where'd ya all say you lived? ;D
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Apr 10, 2013 16:20:59 GMT -6
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I live in Siberia...
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Apr 10, 2013 23:05:59 GMT -6
Post by randy on Apr 10, 2013 23:05:59 GMT -6
I live in Colestrip Montana. LOL it is obvious that since the greys are doing mind control that it is possible to do. there for we are merely debating the means of doing it and not the idea of can it be done. For those who have never entered this realm of reality it sounds exotic but for those who have delt with it first hand it has a more personnel ring to it. Recall that as a young man I was able to get a family friend hundreds of miles away to leave their job go out into the parking lot and go to sleep laying on the pavement. It really did work no joke. I believe being around the greys stimulated parts of the brain normally left idle in our society. Since the family friend once lived only a few miles from the grey base I talk about it is possible that they also were commonly abducted and had a more than normal developed area of the brain used for telepathy. this was however more than just simple telepathy the person actually fell under my control. They did exactly what I wanted them to do which was pretty out of the ordinary. I felt it was getting out of hand and stopped further experiments as the dark side of things was tempting
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Apr 10, 2013 23:35:52 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 23:35:52 GMT -6
I live in Colestrip Montana. LOL it is obvious that since the greys are doing mind control that it is possible to do. there for we are merely debating the means of doing it and not the idea of can it be done. For those who have never entered this realm of reality it sounds exotic but for those who have delt with it first hand it has a more personnel ring to it. Recall that as a young man I was able to get a family friend hundreds of miles away to leave their job go out into the parking lot and go to sleep laying on the pavement. It really did work no joke. I believe being around the greys stimulated parts of the brain normally left idle in our society. Since the family friend once lived only a few miles from the grey base I talk about it is possible that they also were commonly abducted and had a more than normal developed area of the brain used for telepathy. this was however more than just simple telepathy the person actually fell under my control. They did exactly what I wanted them to do which was pretty out of the ordinary. I felt it was getting out of hand and stopped further experiments as the dark side of things was tempting I've been able to control people before... I tested this ability on my customers at work. I can somehow make a stranger do something by making a simple gesture or by using a certain tone of voice... I haven't done it in awhile, it seems wrong to me to do that sort of thing but I HAVE done it before... simple little things like moving a pen, or handing me something without asking for it... It works on babies too... it's a lot easier to do it on babies and toddlers...
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Apr 10, 2013 23:38:00 GMT -6
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It doesn't work on my boyfriend for some reason... I tried it on him subconsciously at wal-mart a couple of days ago. We put our stuff into a little hand basket and I lifted up one handle and I "told" him to pick up the other handle. Whenever I do that with my niece and nephew or my sister or my best friend they do it automatically without thinking about it.
He didn't pick up the handle and the basket tipped and the stuff fell out of it. He shouted and said, "What are you doing?!"
I said, "You were supposed to pick up the handle!"
"Why would I do that? I thought YOU had it!"
Me: ~sigh~ "...nevermind..."
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Apr 10, 2013 23:40:03 GMT -6
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I never really noticed it before Randy... it only works on my close friends and family members... where I can just "think" about something and they help me exactly the way I "told" them to...
My boyfriend is apparently not psychic or telepathic enough to receive the message... hmmmmmm... (by the way it works on a couple of my co-workers too... the subconscious command thing...)
I never really paid attention to it... until that moment at wal-mart when it didn't work... it's really got me thinking about it now... hmmmmmmm...
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I can influence animals that way, especially horses and dogs. My daughter has skill with the small ones. I've always been able to 'move' people but that one is wrong. Manipulating others..robs them of their own expression. Not too long after I married I discovered the man I married ..wasn't the man I 'thought' I had married. This one was brilliant but not inclined to have an ounce of ambition. He could learn anything but get bored with it and just walk away. He was bi-polar and subject to temper tantrums and so..I began 'tempering' his temper. Keeping him calm (I'm better than any drug going). I worked when he wouldn't. I fixed and served meals I knew he wanted before he knew he wanted them..I raised the kids because he would have been too volatile to. He did not have a day that I didn't influence and it almost destroyed him. I left for awhile because I needed to..I planned on divorcing him..but now what I had created was someone who couldn't function without me, especially when he got sick..and no one else who would take care of him. I figure this is a very great stain on my soul...I gave him everything he needed or wanted..not for his sake but for mine because I couldn't handle the disruption he would have caused. I can't fight or have my home life chaotic. I can surely enough do battle if I get angry but not in my home..my safe zone. So..I am still taking care of him because I did this and it's my responsibility until I'm released from it because I'd never duck out on my obligations. Don't meddle that way even when you know you can..it has disastrous results..and creates dependency as much as any addiction. Sometimes I think I'd kill for a day that's different from the one before it..but I have a sneaking suspicion that I have to pay for my crime until I've satisfied some karmic thing. Don't meddle and don't be too hasty to ease someones burden..it is what makes us strong..overcoming obstacles.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 11, 2013 23:58:30 GMT -6
Jo , I want to give you a different perspective on this while also agreeing that it may very well be a karmic debt, but from a past life not this one. I am of the opinion and belief now that those who wrong someone greatly in one life will then return to be the caretaker of the said victim in the next as 'paying your dues'. This usually occurs with spouses but can also be a parent or sick child that you will need to give yourself to and sacrifice your needs for theirs. So do not see this as a punishment but as a way to make amends with them and your own souls debts acquired prior to this life. You didn't create a monster so to speak, he already was this person who isn't capable of dealing with life on his own, you were meant to be with him to assist in his shortcomings to pay back whatever deed that has already come to pass. So lift the burden from your shoulders. You know as well as I that if you believe it to be true, then so shall it be...release this guilt from yourself and rise above it in knowing that you are doing exactly what you are supposed to, and when you are ready to feel like your debt has been paid, allow yourself to move on and be finished with it. May you allow yourself peace dear Jo
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I don't feel guilty CK..I did what I had to do to survive and raise my kids in an environment I could handle. I'm still aware that I robbed him of his expression..and any life lessons that would have come from his failures and successes. I know that's wrong..but I'm not feeling guilt over it. Rather I feel a lot of pent up angst because I am as trapped now as he is. There is the 'balance'. I am very suspended here along with my frankenstein monster
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Apr 12, 2013 22:50:11 GMT -6
Post by randy on Apr 12, 2013 22:50:11 GMT -6
It is pent up emotion that motivates release of mind control over others. IN other words getting ticked off helps in controlling othersb but not always. In high school I wanted a hostess pie but did not have the money so I saw a friend and tried to get him mentally to buy me a pie. Later while eating lunch he came up and gave me a pie he had bought but really did not want. I was shocked but happy as a clam. I have found though that being human the dark side is there and what cant be real is and is can be very potent and vicious. The CIA would be interested in it. I talk around the issue but with the motivation of strong emotion like anger nothing is impossible
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Apr 13, 2013 0:47:36 GMT -6
Post by CitizenK on Apr 13, 2013 0:47:36 GMT -6
I agree Randy. My first realization that I could move things happened while I was angry. ANd yes, being human means we have a dark side but I think we need to embrace the 2 opposing sides and combine them not ignore one or favor one over the other. Not that we should do harm, just that we should acknowledge it is there and accept it in order to become whole.
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Every thing about life needs to be in balance. Tip too far one way and you have a serial killer..too far the other and you have someone inclined to be a saint who denies himself the life experiences to evolve. Life needs balance between the grounded plane and the spiritual one to be whole..complete and to be able to move forward.
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Apr 13, 2013 11:32:22 GMT -6
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I agree Randy. My first realization that I could move things happened while I was angry. ANd yes, being human means we have a dark side but I think we need to embrace the 2 opposing sides and combine them not ignore one or favor one over the other. Not that we should do harm, just that we should acknowledge it is there and accept it in order to become whole. When I get angry all I do is blow up cash registers (make them crash or display odd error messages) or make light bulbs burn out... I hear what you're saying Jo... but with me the "control" is more of a subconscious thing. It's not like I'm controlling every aspect of the lives of others, but if I realize I need help doing something I send a message requesting it and those who respect me and know me often give in to the thought... I can also tell when another person needs help with something and I sneak up behind them and help them also... it's like a subconscious telepathy that I can't really explain... having a conversation with someone's subconscious mind without them being aware of it...
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Apr 16, 2013 0:51:08 GMT -6
Post by randy on Apr 16, 2013 0:51:08 GMT -6
While on a camping trip in the Mojave desert I could not sleep as a sand storm was filling my sleeping bag with sand so I tried to lift a picture up off its hook on the wall in my room at home about 200 miles away. the idea was to lift the picture up off the hook and drop it. Since the wire on the picture would be unbroken I would know I did it. This was when I was just starting in college and my mother said there was a loud rattling noise in my room and a crash. The picture did fall and the wire was unbroken. Interesting. Later in years during a business related air plane flight I was bored and tried to feel the electronics of the plane sending out my mind into the wires and controls to feel them. As I was doing that the plane diverted to a local field due to electric problems A new plane was flown in for us and I refrained from feeling out the controls on that one... Having the ability to control people and to move objects leaves one open to the dark side of human nature. Who could stop you from doing anything? How could they prove it in court? I walked away from it as too dangerous to play with
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Apr 16, 2013 9:50:21 GMT -6
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That's exactly why certain agencies are attracted to it..most of them don't have many moral scruples. It takes so much discipline to be consistant when our own energy fields aren't consistant in the first place that success is pretty limited and I figure that is a very good thing
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Apr 17, 2013 0:48:09 GMT -6
Post by randy on Apr 17, 2013 0:48:09 GMT -6
Being able to move things and control people in a primative society would make them view you as a living god There are alot of perks associated with that. the problem is that human nature unleashed would rapidly corrupt a person and drive them mad with power. Only in a society where all people had that power could you retain some degree of sanity but most likely such a society would destroy its self in a few months as each person brought their hidden thoughts into reality
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We're not meant to be gods..just chips off the old block. We don't have the maturity or the humility to be gods..OR the brain. LOL
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We're not meant to be gods..just chips off the old block. We don't have the maturity or the humility to be gods..OR the brain. LOL That's for darn sure...
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Apr 17, 2013 21:47:15 GMT -6
Post by CitizenK on Apr 17, 2013 21:47:15 GMT -6
I agree Randy, we aren't yet ready as a society to handle such a tool without great repercussions . One day, it will be possible, but how close are we to that day....
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Apr 18, 2013 22:20:31 GMT -6
Post by randy on Apr 18, 2013 22:20:31 GMT -6
Being among the greys they could read ones mind and it was nearly impossible to keep ones thoughts from them but I learned to do it for short times. That is probably the society that can handle being able to control people over distances and moving objects with the mind. Every one is able to read your dark thoughts. Kind of like the Borg collective. One giant hive mind hard to fight that as an individual mind.
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mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/03/black-magic-the-occult-and-the-cia/ Black Magic, the Occult, and the CIAby Brent Swancer / mysteriousuniverse.org/author/brentswancer/March 22, 2018 There is no doubt that governments get up to some strange dealings, research, and experiments, and top secret programs have always drawn to them tales of suspense, mystery, and conspiracies. One of the stranger stories concerns an offshoot of a mind control program run by the United States, which by some accounts branched off into the realms of the supernatural and the occult. Perhaps no other secret military project has been as talked about or as wrapped in conspiracy theories as the CIA’s Project MKUltra. Launched in the 1950s by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the project was an extensive program looking into the development and applications of numerous methods of mind control, often using rather inhumane, unethical, and frankly illegal methods, such as using unwitting human guinea pigs and forms of psychological torture including sensory deprivation, verbal abuse, and others. MKUltra focused heavily on trying to alter and manipulate human mental states and consciousness, often with the help of generous portions of hallucinogenic chemicals and drugs such as barbiturates, amphetamines, mescaline, psilocybin, scopolamine, cannabis, and LSD, in an effort to create a drug that could be used for mind control purposes and to develop a perfect truth serum and other substances that would dramatically alter the human psyche, including alleged efforts to create a true “Manchurian Candidate” type assassin or spy that could be activated when needed. They also looked into various other forms of mind control and alteration of the human psyche, such as hypnosis and the use of sub-aural frequency blasts to erase memory, and a microwave device for planting thoughts in the enemy’s mind, among many others. The program went on for over a decade in total secrecy, and this was no small operation, with such mind control research being carried out at an estimated 80 different institutions, ranging from universities, to pharmaceutical companies, to private companies, as well as hospitals and prisons, which provided plenty of potential test subjects, some of whom purportedly died during the experiments. The scope of it all was huge, and the CIA was very good at obfuscating that any of this was going on at all. It was not until 1975 that the Church Committee of the United States Congress brought the sinister program out from the shadows, and even then most of the top-secret documents pertaining to it had been destroyed in 1973 by then CIA director Richard Helms, making investigation into Project MKUltra difficult, its full extent hidden in darkness. MKUltra was a vast, sprawling warren of weird experiments and strange studies, and it actually served as an umbrella for 150 other research sub-projects operating under them with funding from the CIA. One of these numerous projects was called MKSearch, launched in 1964, which was a joint operation with The U.S. Army Chemical Corps primarily tasked with research and development of various substances that could be used to incapacitate the enemy, including biological, chemical, and radioactive materials. A sub-project of MKSearch was called MKOFTEN, also sometimes referred to as MKCHIKWIT, which sought to test the behavioral effects of different drugs on animals and humans and which mostly operated at Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia from 1967 to 1973. According to reports, the project supposedly ostensibly pursued compounds for stimulating heart attacks, producing irrational or violent behavior or psychotic states, and otherwise “disturbing a person’s psyche,” but it has been alleged to have been involved in far more bizarre realms as well. According to some sources, MKOFTEN went beyond the mere research of mind control and incapacitation of enemies, and branched out into the world of black magic, witchcraft, and the occult. The accusation was first put forth by British investigative journalist and author Gordon Thomas, who wrote the 2007 book Secrets and Lies, and who claims that a Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, chief of the CIA’s Technical Services Branch and also known as the “Black Sorcerer” due to his expertise with poisons, used the program to “explore the world of black magic and harness the forces of darkness and challenge the concept that the inner reaches of the mind are beyond reach.” To this end, people involved with MKOFTEN purportedly met with, consulted, studied, or employed numerous mystics and occultists, including fortune-tellers, palm-readers, clairvoyants, astrologists, mediums, psychics, practitioners of voodoo and witchcraft, black magicians, demonologists, Satanists, and even a monsignor in charge of exorcisms for the Catholic archdiocese of New York. The program also allegedly pursued magical rituals for possible military use. According to Thomas, the CIA employed three astrologers for telling the future, as well as two palm readers whose abilities were looked at for their use in intelligence activities, a sorceress from Houston named Sibyl Leak, and various other psychics and occultists. In addition to Thomas, another journalist and researcher, Alex Constantine, also wrote of these arcane pursuits carried out by the program, claiming that the CIA was interested in starting religious cults such as that of the People’s Temple of Jonestown, the Church of Set, and the Process Church of the Final Judgement, the Finders, and others, in order to look into mind control and alteration of human behavior, and that they also helped set up a course in black magic, demonology, and witchcraft at at the University of South Carolina as a sort of “social laboratory.” This course apparently delved into all manner of the occult and magical rituals and was carefully monitored by CIA behavioral scientists. Another researcher named Peter Lavenda has also claimed that MKOFTEN was involved in “everything from séances and witchcraft to remote viewing and exotic drugs.” It is unclear just how much of this is true and how much of it is pure conspiracy theory. Although it is known that the U.S. did in fact pursue mind control experiments with its MKUltra program, the real extent of how deep the rabbit hole goes is still rather a mystery. Did any of the offshoots and subprograms actually look into the occult and utilizing magic to any extent, and if so what results did they achieve, if any? Whether it is true or not, it is a wild story, and the perfect fuel for intrigue and conspiracies. mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/03/black-magic-the-occult-and-the-cia/
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According to some sources, MKOFTEN went beyond the mere research of mind control and incapacitation of enemies, and branched out into the world of black magic, witchcraft, and the occult. The accusation was first put forth by British investigative journalist and author Gordon Thomas, who wrote the 2007 book Secrets and Lies, and who claims that a Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, chief of the CIA’s Technical Services Branch and also known as the “Black Sorcerer” due to his expertise with poisons, used the program to “explore the world of black magic and harness the forces of darkness and challenge the concept that the inner reaches of the mind are beyond reach.” Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/3399/mkultra#ixzz5Aptoab00******** There’s that year again (2007). 😉 And, I bet conspiracy theorists are “having a cow” if they are really paying attention. Who was head of a certain part of the government in 2007, and is now, ummmm, under heavy scrutiny? Peter Levenda is mentioned also in this article. He is the man that wrote “sekret machines” with T. Delong. 😉. The guy has quite a bit “occult” stuff floating all over the ‘Net. Including his own “sub-net” on reddit titled “world politics”?? (Talking about Levenda.)
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