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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 17:58:36 GMT -6
So many things to argue about . In the recent "people" magazine edition of the 50 yr. anniversary, Jackie almost sounds (in her comments at the time) as if she wasn't "surprised" that this happened. If her and the Pres had been having mid-night conversations about his growing opposition, why did they travel down this road like they did? It tends to remind me of the Kennedy clan tossing around a football while snow-skiing. One of them skied into a tree and died .
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Post by skywalker on Nov 23, 2013 19:46:29 GMT -6
There are just so many things about the Kennedy assassination that don't add up. If somebody were to write a fictional novel about an assassination with a hidden conspiracy behind it they could not have done a better job than what really happened with the JFK case. Oswald shoots from the building but people run to the grassy knoll thinking shots came from there...a man on the grassy knoll identifying himself as a government agent while the FBI and Secret Service both swear they had nobody in that area...bullets showing up where bullets should not be...the police "misidentifying" the type of weapon and the number of bullets found at the scene...the strange actions of the caravan and the security detail that was supposed to be protecting it...Oswald shooting a police officer just two blocks from Jack Ruby's apartment shortly after the assassination...Jack Ruby shooting Oswald a few days after he was arrested...the former head of the CIA being placed on the Warren Commission after Kennedy had fired him...the government lying and tampering with evidence...this case has the CIA, the mafia, communist spies, a gun running scheme...everything you could possibly ask for in a suspense novel. Nobody could make stuff like this up.
I think what Jo said is right...there are so many people who just "know" that the official story is not correct. The Kennedy assassination is pretty much where all of the conspiracy theories got started. Before that everybody had faith in the government and trusted them to tell the truth. Now, nobody trusts the government and it all started with JFK. People aren't going to let go of this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 11:52:39 GMT -6
It's surprising to me that there are so many possibilities and motives in Kennedy's death..and the eventual 'success' of his elimination..when at this point in history a black president holds the office and not even the extremists have tried to 'remove' him. Kennedy was apparently a much larger threat to someone's peace of mind..a serious one. Maybe it's not coincidence that he was the most charismatic president we've had in memory..who truly did have the ear of several nations. Had he asked for most anything people would have listened...the current president might get a good laugh. Meaning..Kennedy actually had the power of the people behind him. I really haven't seen that since. That would make him a dangerous man to a few organizations who wouldn't want that kind of allegiance to one man. A nation divided? We have a nation scrambled.
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Post by DEADnGONE on Nov 24, 2013 13:12:41 GMT -6
Kennedy is dead, John and Robert, sad losses but losses never-the-less. I doubt either would want to see "us" be so facinated "who did what to whom" and have us get about the business of living and improving the ills of the world and our society.RIP John and Robert.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 24, 2013 13:30:26 GMT -6
Improving the ills of the world might include finding the people who killed him and stopping them from killing again. People (and politicians) are still being murdered to this day...probably by the same group of people and for many of the same reasons. I agree the Kennedy brothers probably would not want to be the heart of so many conspiracy theories but they probably did not want to be assassinated either. I wonder why people are willing to spend so much time investigating this...even after 50 years? Is it because people are so fascinated with unsolved mysteries or are they just angry that they were lied to and the killers got away with it? Perhaps because so many people really liked JFK they feel that they owe it to him to find out the truth. I dunno. I couldn't even explain why I spend so much time investigating this stuff. It's just what I do.
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Post by DEADnGONE on Nov 24, 2013 13:55:57 GMT -6
I was in class, in high school, seeing it happen, all of the tragedy after the event, saw the funeral, the long walk across that bridge to the cemetery, saw the burial site that Spring on a visit to my aunt who lived in Arlington,VA, the 3 hrs. wait to even walk by and see the flame, say a prayer, pass,on, a and wonder.Then in 1968, another Kennedy fell, in the kitchen of a hotel where he been speaking. I saw it when it came on that Senator Robert Kennedy had been shot. My generation saw two men, possibly "great" men, get cut down before they were ready.Regardless of what John might have been doing, on the side, he was our President, though I could not vote for him because of my age. 50 yrs. later, we go through it all again, for a new generation that has heard of it, seen films of it, read of it, but cannot recall, if they or their parents were even here yet, where I was, what I was wearing, what class I was in, the time,etc., when it came on the PA of the shooting and death.To loose 1 great man by assination is bade enough, to loose his bother by the same manner is unthinkable.
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Post by paulette on Nov 24, 2013 14:19:37 GMT -6
I too remember the day President Kennedy was shot and then later, the disbelief and beginning of a deeper fear when his brother was shot (again supposedly by a marginalized non American). For the record, although I didn't think much of Ted Kennedy (he was by some reports a drunken womanizer) I believe that he could have been easily drugged, and the event with Mary whatever her name was - who didn't get out of the sunk car) staged. He remembers little (very convenient). She could have been a set up and turned out to be collateral damage. But even if she had lived to get home - the story of his entanglement with her might have done the trick. But just to make doubly sure, a cleaner fixed up the brakes or fixed up their drinks, or whatever. I don't think Ted was supposed to survive either - but he was a better swimmer than perhaps expected (even with a doctored drink and bad back). All those summers on the beach, swimming in the ocean...
And so, the line of Kennedy's were neutralized. Also Robert Kennedy III, when it was time for that.
I have never thought of myself as a conspiracy nut, and some things I read from that group make me sick. It's a terrible way to look at the world. But as I live and gather information and read the little clues and back page stories, I am slowly growing to believe that we are being managed and manipulated (and assassinated when necessary) by some shadowy organization of Power. It's Big Money of course. And it has political agendas to do what it wants to do all over the world. Here in Canada, our PM Harper is like a zombie. He says what they tell him to say. They picked him well - he has no real feelings for anyone or thing. I saw a picture of him in a plane flying over the flooded Calgary landscape - he looked terminally bored and actually wasn't watching out the window. His handlers missed that one.
When I was in my early twenties and living in Austin Texas I had a friendship with a couple who were committed socialists. They put out an off-campus alternate newspaper (The Rag) and supported traveling speakers by putting them up in their house, feeding all of us, etc. He had a job in a convenience store and the summer before my senior year I was home watching TV and the news was that a "Communist" was killed in Austin in a robbery at a convenience store. I started to sob and my parents said, "Surely you don't KNOW this person!" They completely accepted the one liner on the news. They were not uneducated people - but they, like people now, believed what they were told. And what we told is not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Comedians and political satirists can talk more freely. I notice that on the last new Bones program (TV) she spoke about GMOs being dangerous to eat. Someone VERY INTENTIONALLY put that into the script. Will the program stay on the air? Always the question I watch for these days....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 22:00:07 GMT -6
I remember Kennedy's death..the blood on her pink outfit..her panic..a nation's despair. If nothing else..all of the above merit a truth. If there were not lies popping around..people COULD let it rest. Their lives were worth more than someone sweeping their deaths under the carpet..in my estimation. Those who are satisfied... should simply nod their heads sagely knowing they KNOW the truth...the rest of us can be found in discussion on the anniversary of a great man's tragic death.
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Post by lois on Nov 24, 2013 22:30:36 GMT -6
I seen all this as well, but I do remember seeing more film right after. This tall big man was still standing on the grassy knolls . He look to be about 40 years old. A reported approach him. He told this reporter, this is not hearsay this was live on the day it happen. He said I heard the shot from behind be and the sound of the bullet going right beside my right ear. He said he fell to the ground and did not move for several minutes.
Then a tv Doc. showed Kennedy's head in photos before he was flown back to Washington DC. His brains were hanging out the back of his head on a table. His hair seem to be ringing wet. It showed his face and head. Maybe his shoulders . His eyes were wide open looking straight up.
I believe is was part of a autopsy done there but very sloppy job. No one would ever forget that photo if they seen it . Not ever. I copied it all from my tv onto VHS, but I could never find it again. I have so many of those tapes. It was not from the sightings programs either. All those witnesses they never show today or have they much after the funeral. This is why I'm never positive about what happen.
Also a plastic surgeon's wife told her story. About how her husband went to the hospital He had been called in later that day in late evening. She said he did not return all night or the following day until very late. He would not tell her why he was there so long. He did say they wanted me to examine Kennedy's body. Sure sounded very strange to me. That was it. Why a plastic surgeon was called to look at Kennedy's body. I can only think of one reason. Then I later seen those photos of his head. I got to thinking then . In Washington DC Kennedy had one clean hole at the back of his head and this surgeon wife story together. Well no need to say what I was thinking. I will never get that photo out of my head.
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Post by lois on Nov 24, 2013 22:33:07 GMT -6
It was a video I watched as they sat Kennedy up in a sitting position and his eyes were still open. It was Kennedy in the film. I think the photos were mixed with the video on the TV doc. Heck it could been from a news cast . Wish I could remember that much. It was very creepy and made me sick to watch it.
One other thing was, this woman who told about her husband came forward as her husband died in some freak accident which she swore was not a accident. Some where is the USA a person watching that video taped it also.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 25, 2013 9:07:05 GMT -6
I seen all this as well, but I do remember seeing more film right after. This tall big man was still standing on the grassy knolls . He look to be about 40 years old. A reported approach him. He told this reporter, this is not hearsay this was live on the day it happen. He said I heard the shot from behind be and the sound of the bullet going right beside my right ear. He said he fell to the ground and did not move for several minutes. Then a tv Doc. showed Kennedy's head in photos before he was flown back to Washington DC. His brains were hanging out the back of his head on a table. His hair seem to be ringing wet. It showed his face and head. Maybe his shoulders . His eyes were wide open looking straight up. I believe is was part of a autopsy done there but very sloppy job. No one would ever forget that photo if they seen it . Not ever. I copied it all from my tv onto VHS, but I could never find it again. I have so many of those tapes. It was not from the sightings programs either. All those witnesses they never show today or have they much after the funeral. This is why I'm never positive about what happen. Also a plastic surgeon's wife told her story. About how her husband went to the hospital He had been called in later that day in late evening. She said he did not return all night or the following day until very late. He would not tell her why he was there so long. He did say they wanted me to examine Kennedy's body. Sure sounded very strange to me. That was it. Why a plastic surgeon was called to look at Kennedy's body. I can only think of one reason. Then I later seen those photos of his head. I got to thinking then . In Washington DC Kennedy had one clean hole at the back of his head and this surgeon wife story together. Well no need to say what I was thinking. I will never get that photo out of my head. I've seen all of the autopsy photos. There are actually several different sets of them. There is the original set that was taken while they were doing the autopsy, there is a set that has been modified so the wounds look different and there is also a set of drawings that were made from the photos that were presented at the Warren Commission. I have no idea who or why the second set was made with the altered photos. They are all pretty disturbing to look at.
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Post by auntym on May 19, 2014 11:59:35 GMT -6
www.ufo-blogger.com/2014/05/wikileaks-exposed-connection-between.htmlMay 19, 2014 Wikileaks Exposed Connection Between JFK Assassination and UFOs Was John F. Kennedy assassinated because he was on the verge of telling the public the truth about UFOs?According to "Wikileaks Stratfor UFO files" its very much possible. Source : Wikileaks Dated 12 November, 1963, just ten days before he would be gunned down in the streets of Dallas, Texas, Kennedy informed James Jesus Angleton (Chief of the CIA's Counterintelligence Staff) that we was setting things in motion to actually share sensitive CIA UFO intelligence data with the Russians through the director of NASA. This request was made on the same day he requested James E. Webb to begin Kennedy's peace overture to the Russians via joint space exploration. Webb, being a board member of the intelligence community most likely interpreted Kennedy's program to mean the sharing of classified UFO data under which the current directive forbid. In Kennedy's top secret memorandum he outlined for Angleton specific items he wished to have disclosed to Webb, such as "[to] have the high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to the classified CIA and USAF sources."And, "that we make a clear distinction between the known and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense and space programs."Finally, Kennedy wanted Angleton to "arrange a program of data sharing with NASA mission directors in their defensive responsibilities." This was unprecedented and totally unacceptable to Angleton and the CIA! Here Kennedy was requesting the Central Intelligence Agency, the agency he swore he would "break into a thousand pieces" to just hand over the most guarded secret-ever! This memo was passed on to William Colby who indicated to someone in Angleton's staff in a hand written note that says, "Response from Colby, Angleton has MJ directive" and is dated November 20, 1963, just two days before Kennedy dies. It seems that Kennedy's request bounced around from Angleton's desk possibly seeking consensus on the request or passing the buck back to Angleton. In either case, it was a hot potato for which Angleton had to deal with. It is also significant that Kennedy's NSAM No. 271 was the last coming from Kennedy's desk just before he left Washington for Dallas. What the real significance is was buried somewhere within the CIA and Angleton spent many a day trying to figure out who ordered Kennedy's execution. Was Angleton set up, or did he unintentionally supply the needed ingredient for the murder of the century? In either case, the secret remained safe. One of the few former CIA officers to speak publicly on the Kennedy assassination and the UFO secret is Victor Marchetti, who at one time was Assistant to the Deputy for Plans and Operations under DCI William Colby. In a rare interview with Second Look magazine in 1979, Marchetti, author of the sensational book Cult of Intelligence which was vetted and censored by the CIA prior to publication (the only book to include the redacted portions within the text), made some interesting observations regarding the CIA's UFO intelligence gathering program and why the subject is not open for discussion. In a introduction piece for his web site Robert Collins, a retired air force intelligence officer produced an insightful forward for Marchetti in which Marchetti said: "My theory is that we have, indeed, been contacted-perhaps even visited-by extraterrestrial beings, and that the U.S. Government, in collusion with other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public." Marchetti alluded to "rumors" at the highest levels within the CIA that the NSA has information as well and must be kept away from public viewing. CONTINUE READING: www.ufo-blogger.com/2014/05/wikileaks-exposed-connection-between.htmlSeptember 20, 1963 - President John F. Kennedy, address to the United Nations Uploaded on Feb 13, 2009 Address to the General Assembly of the United Nations - President John F. Kennedy New York - September 20th 1963 '' Finally, in a field where the United States and the Soviet Union have a special capacity--in the field of space--there is room for new cooperation, for further joint efforts in the regulation and exploration of space. I include among these possibilities a joint expedition to the moon. Space offers no problems of sovereignty; by resolution of this Assembly, the members of the United Nations have foresworn any claim to territorial rights in outer space or on celestial bodies, and declared that international law and the United Nations Charter will apply. Why, therefore, should man's first flight to the moon be a matter of national competition? Why should the United States and the Soviet Union, in preparing for such expeditions, become involved in immense duplications of research, construction, and expenditure? ''
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Post by auntym on Jun 9, 2014 10:56:20 GMT -6
Parkland video JFK Kennedy assassination autopsy Dr Robert McClelland Night Fright Brent Holland
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Post by DEADnGONE on Jun 28, 2014 21:22:39 GMT -6
Guess this topic will go on in the annals of American history as a topic for continued discussion and debate. Guess by now, anyone directly or indirectly involved has long since passed away, naturally or with "help".
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Post by skywalker on Jun 29, 2014 7:12:12 GMT -6
If the people involved are no longer alive they can no longer hide whatever it is they are hiding. New evidence can always turn up. Somebody may have written a diary or journal, or they might have hidden some documents somewhere...you never know what could be out there waiting to be found. JW Booth's missing diary pages didn't turn up until more than a hundred years later and they shed quite a bit of light on what really happened. We'll just have to wait and see what turns up.
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Post by auntym on Oct 25, 2014 14:52:33 GMT -6
ufodigest.com/article/synchronisms-1025 JFK, CURIOUS SYNCHRONISMS, AND "ME & LEE" PART 1By Steve Erdmann October 25, 2014 “Ride, captain ride, upon your mystery ship, Be amazed, at the friends, you have here on your trip. Ride, captain ride, upon your mystery ship, On your way, to a world, that others might have missed.”Mike Pinera and Frank "Skip" Konte, of Blues Image, in Ride Captain Ride (1970) “All right,” I said, “What agency do you really work for, and who is your most important handler?” “You little spy!” he said, smiling. “Here’s the answer: I’m loaned to the CIA, and must sometimes help the FBI; who my main handler is, not even God knows the answer to that. Certainly, I don’t. I call him ‘Mr. B.’” (Judyth Vary Baker, as she spoke to her lover Lee Harvey Oswald, Thursday, July 18, 1963, page 389.) “…it has to be Phillips. He is the traitor,” said Lee Oswald, “Phillips is behind this. I need you to remember that name…David Atlee Phillips.” (Wednesday, November 20, 1963, page 521.) Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald, Judyth Vary Baker, TrineDay LLC, P.O. Box 577, Walterville, Oregon 97489. 1-800-556-2012. www.TrineDay.Com publisher@TrineDay.net, 2010, 608 pages, $21.95.) A frequent statement about the mystery of the John Kennedy Assassination: someone who was intimately involved with Lee Oswald would have surely stepped forward to divulge secrets! One of those “someone’s” was Judyth Vary Baker, the mistress of Oswald during 1963, when, as a cancer researcher, she became involved in what had been known as the “Project.” The Project partially consisted of plans about clandestinely killing Dictator Fidel Castro. Baker’s gradual involvement from a bright and promising student in cancer research into the murky world of espionage and political undercover was adequately explained in her book as a participant and lover of Lee Harvey Oswald. That she survived personal assassination, as so many other participants have not, was truly amazing. Fortunately, she had survived, and the results were the missing pieces of the Kennedy fiasco. The inner-workings of the corrupt world of crime and government espionage included many players in New Orleans in 1963; most were part of an ultra-right-wing political movement to fight Communism; many, however, were only interested in Power. The list of “players” seemed endless. I covered only a few here of the more curious: CAST OF PLAYERS# The Project, Alton Ochsner, Mary Sherman, and David Ferrie. A crucial person in Judyth’s career was Dr. Alton Ochsner, one-time President of the American Cancer Society, and Chief of Surgery at Tulane Medical School, and then President of the Ochsner Clinic in New Orleans. Ochsner had also directed INCA (The Information Council for the Americas), an anti-Communist organization in Latin America. Dr. Ochsner also led Judyth, slated for an internship at Miami University, into another internship with a Dr. Mary Sherman, director of Ochsner’s bone pathology laboratory at Ochsner’s clinic. Sherman was one of the foremost cancer researchers in America. Sherman admired Judyth’s experiments with the carcinogenic SV-40 virus and other fast-growing cancers. Baker’s dream was to continue medical school at Tulane, but such as dream took a careening detour on April 26, 1963 when she met Lee Oswald at the post office. It was a spectacular coincidence. The secret laboratory was introduced to Judyth through David Ferrie, former Eastern Airlines pilot, and CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) operative enmeshed in the New Orleans Ultra-Right. Other right-wing CIA operatives, who wanted to see the success of the Project and the defeat of Fidel Castro, further camouflaged the secret operation. Ferrie was an “operator” that lurked behind the sences throughout the Kennedy Mystery. Ferrie’s homosexuality caused him to be defrocked from the priesthood and the loss of his job at Eastern Airlines. It was not enough, however, to dissuade the CIA from using him. Ferrie was a valuable “player”; especially, because of his New Orleans Mob connections. CONTINUE READING: ufodigest.com/article/synchronisms-1025
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Post by auntym on Oct 26, 2014 11:34:06 GMT -6
ufodigest.com/article/synchronisms-1026JFK, CURIOUS SYNCHRONISMS, AND "ME & LEE" - PART 2By Steve Erdmann October 26, 2014 If you missed PART I in this series click here: www.ufodigest.com/article/synchronisms-1025Like all government “spy assets,” Oswald apparently carried his share of the undercover and espionage load, running chores, hiding codes, exchanging intelligence information, and servicing a bioweapon to be smuggled into Cuba. Oswald did various “duties” that he surely felt were of value to his “handlers;” especially in a CIA/FBI/Mobster encrusted city as New Orleans (Oswald was not foreign to this world of intrigue, as his Uncle Charles “Dutz” Murret was an illegal bookkeeper for Mobsters Carlos Marcello and Sam Saia [page 147]). Judyth saw in Guy Banister’s secret files that David Ferrie and Oswald “were engaged in real anti-Castro and anti-subversive projects, albeit secret ones, which were sponsored by the U.S government.” (Page 174.) Oswald, at some point in the underworld meanderings of point-counter-point, deemed his life had become expendable. His vulnerability surpassed Barker’s argument (pages 157, 276) that Oswald couldn’t have killed officer J.D. Tippet; it surpassed the argument that Oswald could not have been on the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository at the time of the Kennedy shooting (page 558). It also surpassed the point that many people in his life, such as George de Mohrenschildt and Ruth Payne had CIA connections (pages 392, 491). Oswald knew his life was in danger (pages 505, 520). “I was supposed to spy on the project for the CIA to keep everybody honest,” said Oswald, “And then, all other little things they’ve had me do, such as those pro-Castro stunts…they’ll kill me just to get rid of me.” Barker, as lover’s would, was aware that Oswald had penetrated the “heart of the groups in New Orleans who were serious about killing Kennedy…(as well as) an elite circle of even more powerful men, mostly from Texas, composed of politicians, whose fanatical patriotism was mixed with monetary ambitions and a lust for power.” (Page 419.) Oswald was deliberately enmeshed in two operative teams: one to shoot Kennedy, and one to “abort” the event. The complexity of such an operation boggles the imagination (page 519). CALLED FOR A PERSONAL STUDY “Lee,” I said, “I know you’re used to leading three lives, or thirty, but I’d rather tell the truth.” “Ah,” he said, “You’re still not use to it, like I am…false trails, false records, fake names.” (Judyth Baker and Lee Oswald, July 19, 1963, as they spoke about events [page 402].) Only after a serious study of the book with its plush, intimate facts and comments--in their entirety--taken in detail and systematically--will readers come to appreciate and understand the complex threads of conspiracy. Barker could possibly--the same as Oswald--have been selected for the destiny they entered at an early age, and perhaps it was more than coincidence that they met in New Orleans (“I was useful because I was almost untraceable, since I wasn’t a doctor yet…,” page 182). David Ferrie had spoken of such projects that involved human control: “…he had more to tell us about mind control and the experiments on people, frequently without their knowledge,” said Baker. “Yes, American citizens were being used as guinea pigs by their own government.” “These things never die,” said David Ferrie. “It’s an iron-clad law that it takes more energy to stop a government program than to start one. This is self-perpetuating.” (Page 217.) The prospect that the inner-workings of men and society have become victim to hidden and minute control from sinister forces should have frightened us all. CONTINUE READING: ufodigest.com/article/synchronisms-1026
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 22:47:07 GMT -6
Oh wow...did someone kill Kennedy? ?
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Post by BLACK DOG on Nov 15, 2014 14:18:17 GMT -6
I have often wondered if a "special branch" of the government wanted him out of the way for reasons known best to them and not to the knowledge of any President.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 15, 2014 20:28:56 GMT -6
Sure...that special branch is probably called the CIA. They wasted their own Prez.
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Post by auntym on Nov 22, 2014 16:29:12 GMT -6
www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20141103233907-525064-three-reasons-why-jfk-s-murder-still-matters Three Reasons Why JFK's Murder Still Mattersby Bryce Zabel President, Stellar Productions November 03, 2014 This month on November 22nd......it will have been 51 years since shots rang out in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, killing President Kennedy. After last year's orgy of 50th anniversary commemorations, retrospectives and analysis, this one is likely to pass by with barely a shout. That's unfortunate. Because this year, we know something we didn't know last year. We know how the media chose to cover the story. It ought to make you angry. Based on the coverage from 2013, both the political establishment and the mainstream media seem to have decided that the new meme is that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone after all. This, of course, is still wildly at odds with the common good sense of the American people who, as of last November, despite the grinding establishment spin they've endured over decades, still believed by a 61% to 30% margin that JFK died as a result of conspiracy over the idea that a deranged lone gunman did the deed. The truth remains as obvious as ever and yet clear-eyed people who see the situation for what it is are still dismissed and marginalized as wacky conspiracy "buffs." It's just plain insulting. The fact of the matter is that we continue to ignore the facts of the matter and that makes Kennedy's murder relevant and still frightening. #1 — The Bad Guys WonGiven the incredibly high probability almost to the point of certainty that John Kennedy was taken out by a conspiracy, it means that the men who took it upon themselves to murder America's duly elected president actually got away with it. They killed an enormously popular politician who was likely to be re-elected by a wide margin and they have never been held accountable. Not a single one of them. Telling everyone that Lee Harvey Oswald actually pulled this off all by himself is as damnable a lie today as it was when the evil went down. From evidence tampering to witness suppression to actually murdering the suspect while he was in police custody just two days after the crime, the JFK assassination is a classic case of how not to seek justice. Did you know that Bobby Kennedy — the attorney general and the President's brother — believed strongly that the death was a product of conspiracy? So did JFK's wife, Jacqueline, and his top aides, Kenneth O'Donnell and David Powers who both testified to the shots from the grassy knoll. That list goes on and on. Trust me, Oliver Stone has powerful company in his opinions. What it all adds up to is an uncomfortable truth, but here it is nonetheless: President John Kennedy was targeted by a conspiracy that executed him on a public street in broad daylight and the people behind his murder have never been punished. The evidence to back up that conclusion is widely available, brought to us at great sacrifice by legions of researchers who just hate being lied to and decided to bear any burden to find the truth and lay it before us. There's a list of books to start with at the end of this article if you want to inform yourself. Once you see the truth, you'll never not see it again. A cover-up is like a magic trick. Once you understand how it was accomplished, you can never be fooled by it again." Lisa Pease CONTINUE READING: www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20141103233907-525064-three-reasons-why-jfk-s-murder-still-matters
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Post by randy on Jan 28, 2015 23:52:44 GMT -6
Lets review some information. A nurse stated that she saw an odd bullet in JFKs neck It was about one and a half inches long and had no rifling marks on it. If you go into a sporting goods shop you might find what are called accelerator 30-06 bullets for sale. These are smaller bullets in a plastic boot caliber 30-06. Fired the plastic boot falls away and the smaller bullet with much higher energy go on to the target without any rifling marks on it. The rifling marks were on the plastic boot that fell away. A bullet one and a half inches long suggests the length of a BMG 50 caliber weapon firing bullets in plastic boots. A 50 is about that long and no rifling would be on the bullet all fitting what the nurse reported seeing. A sniper firing such a weapon could be a mile away. Bullets fired from Oswalds rifle into water could have been put in a boot and fired into Kennedy. The rifling from his rifle would thus be on the bullets recovered. Neat trick is it not. I recall seeing Oswald say on TV that he wanted Mr X as he called him to defend him at his trial. So who was Mr X? That issue has not been addressed to my knowledge.
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Post by watusimba on Jan 15, 2016 22:56:59 GMT -6
It has always struck me as funny how people can hang on to the lone nut assassination theory when the conclusive facts, not the myths, support more than 1 gunman. Granted, you can call all of these facts as BS and make up some random reasons why every doctor at Parkland said that the back of JFK's head was blown out and was therefore the exit wound, or that 2 LHO's were arrested at the Texas Theater, one being taken out the front and one being taken out the back, or that Oswald passed the paraffin test that proves he didn't shoot a weapon on that day, or even that no LHO fingerprints were initially found on the rifle -- as stated by the Dallas Police -- but when the FBI got a hold of the rifle, fingerprints and a palmprint were suddenly found ... and even this bit of nonsense. The manual revolver that Oswald was carrying, and was said, in court, to be the murder weapon of Officer Tippit, could not have possibly fired the automatic cartridge cases that were found at the scene of the Tippit killing. But forget about all of those facts, which point to a conspiracy and a coverup, forget about all that, and let's talk about Gerald Ford on the Warren Commission. You can look this up, and I hope you do if there are any doubts about what I am about to write, but Ford entered into an act of fraud to "prove" that there was a such a thing as the magic bullet. The "magic bullet" supposedly passed through JFK's neck, struck Governor Connelly in the front seat and did major damage on its trajectory. When comparing the entry wound on the back of JFK's shirt to the supposed exit wound on his neck, the bullet holes did not line up by nearly 5 1/2 inches. The shirt entry wound was well down JFK's back, meaning that there was no way it could have exited from his neck. And, if it didn't exit from his neck, that meant there was at least 4 bullets fired, one of which was still inside JFK. To make the "magic bullet" theory work, Ford proposed that the actual bullet hole in Kennedy's body be moved upwards 5 1/2 inches to line up with the neck wound. To compensate, that meant the shirt, with the bullet hole lower on JFK's back, had to be pulled up to make the bullet holes line up, placing the entry wound through the shirt at the exact spot for a perfect exit wound in the neck. But as test after test proved, a fitted shirt, just like the kind JFK was wearing, could not possibly pull up that far. But that didn't matter to the Warren Commission. They needed a lone nut assassin, and they got it with this little bit of skullduggery. Because if you don't pull the shirt up, that makes an extra bullet hole, and an extra bullet hole means an extra shooter! That's not myth, that's not wishful thinking, that's not fantasy land, that's cold hard fact. www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNAU/EMSappIII.html <----Link that shows the actual bullet holes on jacket and shirt. But don't believe my facts, check this out yourself. Put on a tight fitting button-down shirt, and tuck it into a pair of dress pants. Raise your arms over your head and measure how far the shirt comes up. Or, clutch your neck, like JFK did when he was hit, and measure how far the shirt comes up. You might get an inch or two, but 5 plus inches? Impossible. Not to mention, you'd either have 5 inches of material balled up around your neck, OR, the collar would need to rise up and cover your ears, because that's the only way the bullet hole in the shirt lines up with the hole in JFK's neck! Ford falsifying the actual bullet findings is the biggest reason why there was a conspiracy, and it started at the highest level of government.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 22, 2016 22:23:25 GMT -6
The so-called "magic bullet" theory can be disproven very easily just by watching the Zapruder film. It clearly shows the exact moment when Kennedy was hit in the throat and then it shows Governor Connally turning around and looking back and as he starts to turn around again he is hit by the bullet that went into his rib cage. You can actually see the air being forced from his lungs from the impact of the bullet. that proves those were both two separate shots. And since another shot hit Kennedy in the head, and another bullet hit a curb and struck a bystander way down by the railroad bridge, that is proof that there were at least four separate bullets. That also doesn't count the one that witnesses claim they saw hit the ground in front of the car. There was definitely more than three shots fired though. I think that is pretty much irrefutable by now...although I know people will still continue to refuse to accept it.
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Post by watusimba on Jan 26, 2016 7:07:34 GMT -6
The Kennedy assassination is kinda like UFO's. People say there aren't any facts to back up a conspiracy, or UFO's. Yet, there are more facts that back up each of those than there are facts that don't. I mean c'mon, swamp gas as UFO's? Weather balloons? You'd think that the only thing in the air, besides human engineered aircraft are swamp gas and weather balloons, for goodness sakes.
But that holds true with the JFK killing. More eyewitnesses say that they heard a shot from the knoll than the TSBD? That doesn't fit the "truth," so those noises must be echoes instead. Experts can't fire the same rifle in the time that Oswald fired it? But that doesn't fit the scenario, so we'll just ignore that "fact." A fingerprint found in the TSBD snipers nest was from a guy named Malcolm Wallace, a known Johnson crony? But since they were only looking for Oswald's prints, a finger print from anyone else didn't matter. But WTF was a Johnson crony, and known hit-man for LBJ, doing in the snipers nest? Think about that, a Johnson hit man in the snipers nest? If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, it must be ... swamp gas.
Just like UFO's, the entire JFK conspiracy theory is nothing but swamp gas or weather balloons. And so it goes.
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Post by auntym on Oct 21, 2017 13:29:13 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2017/10/21/politics/trump-jfk-documents/index.html?sr=twCNNp102117trump-jfk-documents0922AMVODtop&CNNPolitics=Tw Trump plans to release classified JFK documentsBy Jeremy Diamond, CNN / www.cnn.com/profiles/jeremy-diamond Sat October 21, 2017 (CNN)President Donald Trump said Saturday he intends to allow the release of classified government documents about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy "subject to the receipt of further information." Trump's tweet comes as he is staring down an October 26 deadline set in law by Congress mandating the public release of the still-secret documents -- including FBI and CIA files -- barring any action by the President to block the release of certain documents. "Subject to the receipt of further information, I will be allowing, as President, the long blocked and classified JFK FILES to be opened," Trump said, appearing to leave open the possibility that some documents could still be withheld. A White House official told reporters Saturday: "The President believes that these documents should be made available in the interests of full transparency unless agencies provide a compelling and clear national security or law enforcement justification otherwise." The White House said in a statement to Politico earlier this week that the White House was working "to ensure that the maximum amount of data can be released to the public" by next week's deadline. Trump himself is no stranger to the controversies and conspiracy theories that have long swirled around the assassination of the 35th president. During the 2016 campaign, Trump made the unfounded claim that the father of GOP rival Sen. Ted Cruz was associated with Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, a claim he has never reneged nor apologized for. Trump's longtime political adviser Roger Stone, who helped launch Trump's campaign for president, is also an avid conspiracy theorist who wrote a book about the wild claim that President Lyndon B. Johnson, Kennedy's vice president, was involved in Kennedy's assassination. Republican members of Congress, including Senate judiciary committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, of Iowa, have urged Trump to allow the full release of the documents. "No reason 2 keep hidden anymore," Grassley tweeted earlier this month. "Time 2 let American ppl + historians draw own conclusions." Historians who have studied the assassination do not believe the documents will lead to any bombshell new conclusions in the Kennedy assassination, but the documents could shed more light on facets of the investigation and Oswald's mysterious trip to Mexico City weeks before the assassination. Some have expressed concerns that the documents could be embarrassing to Mexico and damaging to US-Mexico relations. Trump can withhold the release of certain documents if he believes their release could pose harm to US intelligence, law enforcement, the military or US foreign relations. "There's going to be no smoking gun in there," Gerald Posner, the author of "Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK," told CNN's Michael Smerconish. "But anybody who thinks this is going to turn the case on its head and suddenly show that there were three or four shooters at Dealey Plaza -- it's not the case." "Oswald did it alone," Posner continued. "But what the files are doing and why they're important to come out is they fill in the history of the case and show us how the FBI and CIA repeatedly hid the evidence." Posner said that the conspiracy theories about the CIA and mob working together to assassinate a head of state are true -- but the target was Cuban leader Fidel Castro, not Kennedy. "They tried seven times and they couldn't even wound him. ... They couldn't get rid of Castro, but somehow these same guys who were an 'F' there pulled off the perfect crime in Dallas, and 54 years later we can find not a shred of evidence about it. I just don't buy it," he said. Ken Hughes, a presidential researcher at the University of Virginia's Miller Center, told CNN the files could shed light on the US involvement in the attempts to assassinate Castro as well as the US-approved coup of South Vietnamese leader Ngô Đình Diệm in 1963. "There's a lot for conventional historians -- we non-conspiracy theorists -- to look forward to," he said. Stone tweeted Saturday morning that he urged Trump to release the classified documents. www.cnn.com/2017/10/21/politics/trump-jfk-documents/index.html?sr=twCNNp102117trump-jfk-documents0922AMVODtop&CNNPolitics=Tw
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Post by randy on Oct 22, 2017 22:55:18 GMT -6
Supposedly Oswald ordered a gun via the mail that was the worst military rifle ever made and made accurate long distance shots at a moving target. The serial number on the rifle is not the serial number of the gun used in the murder. A nurse saw a bullet from JFKs neck aaying it was unusually long and thin and had no rifling marks on it. probably it was fired long range from a 50 cal sniper rifle using a small cal bullet in a plastic sabot. the outer shell or sabot falls away and the small bullet has all the energy of the large powder charge. It would be longer to fit a 50 cal casing and have no rifling marks on it A silenced gun a mile away would not be noticed. A 20 mm antitank gun was silenced for a bank robbery in Canada. A goof sniper can hit a human a mile with a 50 cal. As a kid I saw the film on TV which included men running away on the grassy knoll. Also before he was killed Oswald on live TV stated he wanted to be defended by MR X That film was never seen again. Who was Mr X that he referred to Got to go more later
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whatwouldyousuggest
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Post by whatwouldyousuggest on Oct 23, 2017 23:29:28 GMT -6
Problem is...so much he said she said..a nurse said or some aide said. We don't have any idea of the real facts in any certainty. Driving the streets of any major city in a convertible ...he may as well have a target painted on his head. HE was a president. He was entitled and rich but he had class and bearing and guts and he wasn't crude. He was smart enough to be a diplomat and find a way to keep us out of a nuclear war instead of rants, raves and provocations. I lived through the cold war era..with parents talking about bombs and my neighbor's father building a huge bomb shelter no one was supposed to know about. I wouldn't wish that on the kids of today, messed up as they mostly already are. Kim Un Jong is much more dangerous than his father. He has not much of a conscience if any, and nuclear weapons to play with and I suspect someone who could shoot his own family without remorse wouldn't have much trouble lobbing a bomb or two our way. I would love a resurrection of Kennedy about now.
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Post by swamprat on Oct 24, 2017 8:27:26 GMT -6
" I would love a resurrection of Kennedy about now."
Boy, isn't THAT the truth!
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Post by whatwouldyousuggest on Oct 24, 2017 10:17:51 GMT -6
We sure could use it
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