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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 21:09:16 GMT -6
I like jo also . And I'm glad you came back ;D. "If I am tormented, then it is by my choice that I am. " Please explain? I like who I am. But I don't like "depression". I can embrace it for what it means to me, but it tends to show up at inopportune times (when I can't be alone). I guess I mean, that I don't want to "fight it off", but because of timing, that's what I end up doing. My son is showing that he is like his mother. I saw him today and we forgot other people were around us and just talked so deep...
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Nov 25, 2011 1:24:03 GMT -6
Post by bewildered on Nov 25, 2011 1:24:03 GMT -6
"If I am tormented, then it is by my choice that I am. " Please explain? Certainly. I could choose not to notice specific things, such as irony or the dissonance that riddles daily existence. I could pretend as if they weren't there. Because I notice them, they perplex me. Thinking is both a blessing and a curse. It's a curse viewed from the perspective that nothing in life should disturb you nor make you wonder about the point of it all. It's a blessing when you consider that there is precious little to distinguish us from the overwhelming crush of organisms that live, breed, and die every moment in any given day. To catch but a fleeting glimpse of something so vast and terrifying as reality is worth the cost of admission.
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Jan 13, 2012 14:03:14 GMT -6
Post by bewildered on Jan 13, 2012 14:03:14 GMT -6
I think I've written about this elsewhere - to be honest, I forget where and when - but I think it's worthwhile to share what was my one and only experience with an unidentified flying object. Sharing this is worthwhile simply because I'm an ardent skeptic - and if I have any sort of "message" to impart with this experience, it's what constitutes actual, honest skepticism. One is not a skeptic because they refuse to acknowledge certain things. Anything other than that is not skepticism - it's merely opposition. A skeptic desires to reach the truth of a matter. Armed with the understanding that human perception can be a fickle thing, a skeptic proceeds with caution. Far from being critical of others, I first and foremost understand how simple it is to mislead my own self. Over the past 10 years, I've had the opportunity to see just how true that is. Thus, I've examined my own experiences very carefully and methodically. I've "thrown out" a fair amount of things as a result...so what remains has withstood some critical tests. The "Elohim" I've described in this thread is one such enigma. It's one thing to have all kinds of hubub going on in your head...but when that hubub repeats itself in another human being who otherwise knew nothing about your own hubub - well, you get the point. It's pretty serious, utterly mystifying, and downright frustrating at times. The only answer this skeptic is left with is the obvious one: whoever and whatever they are, they are actually real. As a sidenote, my experiences with telepathy were directly related to the Elohim. On to the original subject: in the summer of 2010, my wife and I were traveling southbound on interstate 15, just shy of Riverside, CA (Steve, this should be somewhat familiar territory to you, yes?). I was at the wheel. We were passing by a large, grassy field on the eastern side of the freeway when some aerial activity caught my eye. Atmospheric conditions at the time were developing dusk: a slightly cloudy and gray sky, the sort of setting in which aircraft lights are easily visible...though the actual craft themselves are still discernible. I spotted a chopper in the distance, which makes sense since a military airfield (I want to say a Reservist facility) was nearby. After noting the chopper - my wife noticed it as well - my attention was then drawn to the grassy field on the eastern side of the freeway. There was something very strange some 700 feet or so above that field. I recall exclaiming "what is that?" as I looked at the object suspended in the sky. My wife seemed oblivious. It didn't make sense to me at the time...but afterward as I investigated my own experience, the answer became quite disturbingly clear. Whatever it was that happened, it affected time and our perceptions. My wife actually has a different recollection than I of the events surrounding that sighting. She thought it was late at night. She doesn't remember me saying "what is that?". She recalls the chopper I pointed out...nothing more. Details such as those are important and disturbing. We were affected differently. I saw something gray and metallic suspended in what looked like gray, odd-looking clouds. It was almost as if a haze cloaked it and obscured it from detection. Although I could only see a portion of this craft, I harbored the sense that it was rectangular in shape. A series of bluish-white lights lined the perimeter of this craft., distinguishing it from standard aircraft running lights. I saw it only briefly as we passed by. However, I am convinced that more took place than what I consciously recall. It seems a haze of sorts settled on my mind. It's palpable, and I can sense its boundaries. On its own, this experience is noteworthy. What occured later, however, makes it stand out in bas-relief. After my wife and I went to bed that night, something occured that I vividly recall, despite that same sort of "hazy fog" threatening to swallow it whole. I woke suddenly in bed unable to move, though I was completely aware and conscious of my surroundings (though my hearing was somewhat impaired). I saw lights flashing all about the room (one directly into my eyes), and heard some vague noises, none of which I can clearly recall. It was not speech, but movement. I sensed others in my room beside myself and my wife. I would have woken her up, but I found myself unable to speak. I had the feeling that I would be losing consciousness, so I forcefully repeated the following in my mind: I will remember this. I will remember this. I have experience with self-hypnosis and various states of consciousness, and fortunately it paid off. Otherwise, I wouldn't be writing about any of this.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 14, 2012 8:09:42 GMT -6
So what do you think the thing was that you saw? And what do you think happened that night? It's interesting to hear what self-proclaimed skeptics have to say about unexplainable incidents like these.
I'm a skeptic myself about a lot of things but there are no conventional scientific explanations for some of the things that I have experienced. That's why I'm searching for answers on the edge of reality. I feel like that's where I am most of the time anyway so I may as well look there.
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Post by bewildered on Jan 14, 2012 9:29:20 GMT -6
So what do you think the thing was that you saw? And what do you think happened that night? It's interesting to hear what self-proclaimed skeptics have to say about unexplainable incidents like these. I'm a skeptic myself about a lot of things but there are no conventional scientific explanations for some of the things that I have experienced. That's why I'm searching for answers on the edge of reality. I feel like that's where I am most of the time anyway so I may as well look there. I honestly have no idea. It truly was an unidentified flying object. I lived on military bases (some of those were Air Force installations) throughout my childhood and into my late teens (17), so I'm pretty familiar with different types of aircraft. Bluish-white lights like I saw are not used for running lights on either civilian or military aircraft. I also spent a fair amount of time driving a military vehicle in blackout conditions when I was in the Army, so I learned how to discern outlines using what available light there was (even without ultra-violet vision enhancement devices...those were a luxury). I have a good eye for detail, so I typically notice things using nothing more than a quick, cursory glance. A skeptic isn't someone who refuses to believe in things. A skeptic is merely someone who wants to be reasonably sure before venturing out on a limb. As necessity is the mother of invention, assumption is the bedfellow of mistaken notions. I can state this with certainty: what I saw was something I have never seen before. It seems to match the descriptions others have given regarding unusual craft they have seen, particularly as it pertains to the hazy "fog" surrounding the object, the lights, and the strange way it seemed to just *sit* there suspended in the sky. I can venture a guess and say that the hazy, cloudy fog was in essence a "cloaking" method, or a means to render that craft invisible. The truly odd thing was the effect this hazy fog seemed to have on the senses and the mind. It was not merely a veil intended to escape ocular detection. It affected cognitive function as well. I was very aware of that taking place as I looked at it. If that sounds somewhat arcane, then imagine this: someone hands you a glass of iced tea. Unbeknownst to you, they added a drug to the drink that will essentially addle your wits. As you sip from the glass, you begin to feel the effects of this chemical in your mind. Things seem "funny." However, you are one of those people who seem to be able to resist such things. With an effort of will you are able to comprehend what's happening, and how this drug is playing around with your senses and your thoughts. This is because deep down somewhere in your being, you despise loss of control. Sadly, one of the consequences of this drug is loss of consciousness. Although you are unable to prevent yourself from passing out, you fight until the bitter end. Just as the lights go out, you stare dumbly at the one who spiked your iced tea. You manage to mumble though numb and drooling lips, "Yesh...shmile as I go down. When I get up, I'm gonna shmack you with a wet fish!" Bonk! Lights out, down ya go. That's pretty much what happened to me in bed that night. I was not in control of anything except my own thoughts. I couldn't even move my eyes to look this way or that. Fortunately I don't panic easily, so I did the mental equivalent of the "shmack you with a wet fish" routine. My wife was affected differently that day by both events. She doesn't recall neither the object above that field, nor that brief episode in bed that night (she was sleeping soundly). This is what leads me to suspect that the object and the event affected the mind - it's external validation of a subjective condition. Either I'm utterly bonkers, or something happened in objective reality. I admit to being somewhat odd, but I do possess enough sanity to remain firmly grounded in reality. I notice things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 12:07:00 GMT -6
Wow. Thanks for sharing BW.
Sleep paralysis is a very scary thing indeed...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 12:20:29 GMT -6
"I also spent a fair amount of time driving a military vehicle in blackout conditions when I was in the Army, so I learned how to discern outlines using what available light there was (even without ultra-violet vision enhancement devices...those were a luxury). ..........................I have a good eye for detail, so I typically notice things using nothing more than a quick, cursory glance. " Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=encounters&thread=763&page=4#21499#ixzz1jSPicIUKThe second part of the above, cursory glance, me too. The first part of statement: Is your night vision still this good? Recently, on another thread, it was said that possibly some people had diminished vision at night. I can't recall if they posted actual statistics comparing ages, experiences, etc. My vision is still wonderfully excellent. Can I brag here that I'm not even wearing readers yet? ;D . However, "small town lighting" and dirty glass over my headlights, leaves much to be desired. I would almost rather turn off my car lights and drive down a light-less road, than have other driver's "brights" on top of dim lighting conditions. Its more of an "irritation". Thanks
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Jan 14, 2012 19:13:48 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Jan 14, 2012 19:13:48 GMT -6
That part about abductees having diminished nightvision was on Steve's thread about Han. I believe it was something that Mary had quoted. I have never heard of any connection between abductions and problems with nightvision. There are quite a few experiencers here on this forum and I don't think any of them have any nightvision problems. I'm not sure where she got that statistic from.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 19:59:56 GMT -6
That part about abductees having diminished nightvision was on Steve's thread about Han. I believe it was something that Mary had quoted. I have never heard of any connection between abductions and problems with nightvision. There are quite a few experiencers here on this forum and I don't think any of them have any nightvision problems. I'm not sure where she got that statistic from. Does anyone on this forum mention ANY problems other than occasional emotional?
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Post by skywalker on Jan 14, 2012 20:36:11 GMT -6
Sometimes. Lorelei has migraines and I have nosebleeds every time the moon is full for some reason. Quite a few people have mentioned weird scars and "puncture" wounds showing up here and there. If somebody had night blindness I'm sure it would have been mentioned sooner or later.
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Jan 14, 2012 21:46:07 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 14, 2012 21:46:07 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong Jo. God is a part of my life as well... I just don't believe that I should have to go to church to prove it to people... I was an agnostic there for quite awhile though... Remember the woman at the well? Jesus now said that she had married five men. And the man that she lived with now was not her husband. The woman immediately knew that Jesus was not an ordinary man. An ordinary man could not know these things about her. So, the woman thought that Jesus was a *prophet. She tried to change the subject. She did not want to talk about her *sin. She talked about the argument between the Jews and the Samaritans. She talked about the right place for *worship. Jesus replied. He said that a new time was coming. Then men would not *worship at either place. They would *worship God in *spirit and truth.
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Post by lois on Jan 14, 2012 22:05:08 GMT -6
I never have night blindness as I don't go into the dark . I can not stand up in the dark or stand up with my eyes close. I can look off at something in the dark with some type of indirect light around me. When I gaze at the sky at night, I hang on to my porch railing or lean my back up against something, which is usually my car.. Or my side against the house. I sit in a lawn chair a lot. But I can see well at things in the dark like shadows which have to have some light. Pitch blackness is a no no for me. Now I know this was from my ufo encounter as it started the very first time I tried to walk through my home in the dark . I went down like a heavy rock..First if feels like something pulling on your brain , it feels like it is moving in your head, I have one second to try and lay down on my own before I'm knocked down.. This is more than emotional . the is physical..
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Jan 14, 2012 22:13:03 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Jan 14, 2012 22:13:03 GMT -6
Is that because you lose your balance?
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Jan 14, 2012 22:18:38 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 14, 2012 22:18:38 GMT -6
Today makes 40 years 4 months .. 4 days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 23:05:27 GMT -6
Sometimes. Lorelei has migraines and I have nosebleeds every time the moon is full for some reason. Quite a few people have mentioned weird scars and "puncture" wounds showing up here and there. If somebody had night blindness I'm sure it would have been mentioned sooner or later. Lorelei also mentions she can't see to drive, period. Lol. I have migraines. Paulette has them. We talk about sleep paralysis and weird dreams. We have bruises, etc. out of nowhere, but not necessarily pain out of nowhere. Lois and I have/have had trouble with our bodies and structure, like our feet. Lorelei, feet also. Trouble sleeping. Nose bleeds? Sorry. That could be a problem connected somehow to this phenomenon, and I forgot about it. I guess Paulette had an episode while driving not long ago, and it could be conected. I guess at that point she could have mentioned night blindness. What lois has involving darkness, I understand. I am constantly "getting my bearings" so to speak, and it does feel like a physical thing... I am hoping for improvement in this area also. It sounds nice but its kind of disconcerting to lay my head on a pillow and just go "out".
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Post by lois on Jan 14, 2012 23:10:17 GMT -6
Is that because you lose your balance? A magnet hits me and pulls me down, is what it feels like in daylight. I feel the pull all the way down my body, not like hands on me but an invisible monster of a vacuum cleaner was sat down beside me in a split second. It has a downward pull not directly sideways. I know what people on the city streets think .. there goes a drunk.. and another saying well that woman is always drunk ;D ;D I sometimes walk with my feet apart and bare down hard on them to keep my balance. It is like a tug of war. left foot pushing down hard to keep the pull on the left from pulling me to the left . next step I push down on the walk to keep away from the pull on the right. .. ;D ;D Hey it works . I found that out about age 32 or 34. A therapist . once had me close my eyes . she had a harness around me and would catch me when I would start to fall she said .. I want you to march with your eyes closed. I told her "No! you will not be able to catch me". She insisted the harness was not going to let me fall. So I agreed. She said now this is a stand in one place marching, I said Ok, I marched for almost a minute ,while she tugged on the harness as she was keeping me up, but when she said STOP. I was all the way out of room and down the hall. I could not believe it. In my mind I should of been in the same spot. Try it some time and see how you do.. She said it is normal to have moved a couple of feet , but you have moved almost 30 feet. ;D Now what kind of test was that? They could do nothing about it. ;D My brain does no perceive messages from my audio nerve. A loud noise or a motorcycle fire engine going by I get ready for it as it sends the message to the wrong part of the brain. Which she said is like wires crossing, and down you go. Hey I don't worry about going down.It is the bolt of lightning pain that hits me in the back of the head. I throw my arms around the back of my head and kneel down and get ready for the blow. This is with noise which comes at me from behind most of the time. Above my head in the sky noise does not fazes me. My ears cannot take vibration under my feet or tailbone when sitting. It goes up and hits me in the back of the head with pain. .. There is so many other things involved, but I do know it was the aliens. I was the fastest runner in the whole highschool in my junior and senior year. I went out for all sports , never got dizzy or anything. Taking care of four kids , never once did any of this happen to me til that stupid night I walked up that awful ship. I mean you do not change like this over night..
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Post by lois on Jan 14, 2012 23:27:52 GMT -6
This is why my quotation reads . If you encounter a ufo.. Run!! I truly mean that for anyone who is amazed when having an encounter and wants to get closer. It is a dire warning, take it from one who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 0:18:25 GMT -6
I always wondered why your quotation reads that ;D . I know from reading that your experiences have not been "great". But you sound like you're ok and life goes on. Even with the issue physically! The back of my head and top of my neck are a bad spot also for me. My head feels/felt like it weighed a ton sitting on a structurally unsound spindle. I was constantly looking at the ground, but thought it was because I didn't want to trip over anything. I have fallen on uneven soil more than once. I "hear" things on my right side and turn that way, when someone is actually calling for me on my left. My hearing is somehow better than normal in both ears, though. Since I work in a "professional environment" I no longer respond at all to someone "yelling down the hall". They have to come all the way to me, or me to them ;D. About a year ago, I started humming a tune out loud while doing things at home. It is a tune, and I vary what song I hum, but nevertheless, I'm afraid that I sound like "pooh- bear" and his honey pots. People find it amusing, especially since it is "new". And yes, I have done it at work. I have been told I sound "content". Honestly, I think I do this to keep my mind on my own business. I don't want to hear the other noises around me. I've gotten used to it, but at first it felt "forced", so important to me that I sound content. I am content. Most of the time For dizziness, I drink lots of water. But I'm pretty sure the neck, head thing is the culprit. I'm sure anyone out there will think this is normal since I'm going to therapy 3 x weekly for my neck, but I have eruptions on my skin at the hair line as my neck is being fixed. Not exactly acne,... more like the lesions I have had on my spine in the past. I have random thoughts about a parasite living in the soft tissue around my bones, and the dr. is disrupting their habitat. My joint areas have always been sore like someone with rheumatoid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 0:22:16 GMT -6
This is why my quotation reads . If you encounter a ufo.. Run!! I truly mean that for anyone who is amazed when having an encounter and wants to get closer. It is a dire warning, take it from one who knows. ~hugz Lois~ I have night blindness.. and regular blindness too JC... lol... my eyes are all kinda messed up... ;D I went to see a specialist in rare eye disorders when I was 17 because I was getting frequent headaches and would hold books way too close to my face. I told my parents I had double vision and I could "turn off" one eye or the other when I was 12. They took me to an eye doctor and he told them I was "making it up" and it was impossible for someone to have that ability... Well... After five years of my struggling in school and struggling to focus and read... my parents called a specialist in rare eye disorders who taught courses at Harvard. Her name was Antonia something or other. My dad talked to her on the phone for a few minutes and when he told her about me saying I could "turn off" one eye or the other her response was an immediate, "Of COURSE she can!! I'd like to see her!" Dad couldn't believe it. He made an appointment for me with her and we flew down to the Northeast coast. Antonia had an hour long appointment with me, and ended up spending THREE hours with me. She cancelled all her other appointments for the day... That tells you something right there... Some of my problems are side effects of the eye surgery I had when I was 3. I was born crosseyed and had surgery done to correct the problem. The surgeon basically popped out my left eyeball (as he explained it to my father) and cut the muscle shorter so the eye would not turn in so far. That would make it straight, and it would force the right eye to also become straight. Well... Antonia explained to me that the surgeon had shortened the muscle too much. As she explained to me, "The human hand is not nearly as precise as the human eye. It happens sometimes." That was the root of the problem of my eyes "shutting off". The muscle was shortened a little too much, so my eyes were not able to triangulate things easily. The brain was getting double images because the eyes weren't pointing exactly together. Out of confusion, the brain decided to "shut off" the input from one eye or the other so it wouldn't get confused. It decided that since my left eye was the weaker eye (surgery) that it would use the right eye more often than the left. This destroyed my depth perception ability... which is the reason why I am constantly dropping things and tripping over things. It's also the reason why I shouldn't be driving... I can't really tell how fast someone is going, nor can I really tell how far away they are... I always follow at a great distance, I drive the speed limit or slower... and I'm extra careful at intersections. I irritate the *bleep* out of the other drivers- but hey... one does what one must... right? I haven't had an accident EVER... although I did hit the mailbox once the day I got my driver's license hehehe... ran over a couple curbs too but yea... nothing too serious. The other problems with my eyes are "brain" problems Antonia explained. I have trouble with "visual processing". It's not the eyes themselves... it's how the brain understands the images I see. I'm not saying I hallucinate or stuff like that, but sometimes when I see an orange car I'll say "look at that red car!" and everyone will laugh and say, "It's orange!" And I'll say, "No it's not! It's red!" I only have this problem with similar colors... like blue and green... or red pink and orange... I also have low "visual memory". If someone shows me something, then I can't see it anymore, I completely forget what it looked like after only a few seconds. I've always had trouble with puzzles and things like that because of this... My left eye also does not dilate properly in the light. The pupil is always larger than the pupil in my right eye. It takes it a lot longer to adjust to light... when I walk outside into the sunlight I instinctively squint the left eye because of this... because it hurts... I have to give it a few extra seconds to do what it's supposed to... I should be completely blind in my left eye Antonia said. I had a one in eight chance of being able to see out of it at all. I beat the odds it seems. Yay for me!! But yea... I have trouble driving in the dark. I have very poor night vision... it's a lot worse than my daytime vision... When I'm looking at something to the left side of my nose, I use my left eye. When I'm looking at something to the right side of my nose, I use my right eye. The colors of everything are slightly different from one eye to the other. The left eye perceives colors to be much darker and less yellow than the right for some reason... I also have terrible peripheral vision. I am constantly bumping into customers and co-workers in the work place because of this... because I can't see them until it's too late... it's especially bad on the left side. I can't see anything that isn't right in front of my eye pretty much on the left side... I can perceive movement... but that's all. I have "tunnel vision" as they call it... I constantly have to turn my head around to see stuff... especially when driving. But yea. That's me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 0:23:47 GMT -6
Lois: I'm amazed at how you are able to get around with this debilitating brain injury... wow...
~hugz~
I think Lois also told me that she also has trouble with one of her eyes dilating properly in the light... right Lois?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 1:34:45 GMT -6
Every year at my elementary school they would do "Health Screening". Nurses would come in from the hospital to volunteer to screen the children. They would do hearing testing, color blind testing, vision testing, they would give us a TB test and check our spines for scoliosis... blood pressure... heart... lungs... height and weight and all of that stuff. Every year, outside of the health screening I would see the eye doctor and get my glasses prescription updated from when I was 7 until I was 18 (because my eyes were still "growing" and would "change" every year they said...) Every year we would do health screening, I would take the vision test with my glasses on. Every year, my parents would get a post card in the mail saying, "Your daughter needs glasses."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 12:11:49 GMT -6
Wow, lorelei. When you are wealthy, will you let yourself be chauffeured? ;D
I also have some problems with an eye muscle of my left eye. Very minor because my eyes do "track" together, but I am very aware that my right eye is dominant. Makes me wonder sometimes if my perception is a little off.....
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Jan 15, 2012 15:55:23 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 15, 2012 15:55:23 GMT -6
jcurio wrote..
The back of my head and top of my neck are a bad spot also for me. My head feels/felt like it weighed a ton sitting on a structurally unsound spindle. I was constantly looking at the ground, but thought it was because I didn't want to trip over anything.
This has always been the way I feel when standing sitting or walking. Once in 1981, my sister loaned me her neck brace she had to wear from a auto accident. I was amazed, at how good it felt. Something was holding my neck up. It was such a relief . .
I also hear way too well sometimes , I wish I could turn my ears off. I too cannot judge which way a sound is coming from. It has been this way for decades. When I cross a street, I make sure I look both ways, or cross at a busy intersection. If a car honks at me I have to look all directions.
I run a fan around me a lot the past few years. Of all things my husband is losing his hearing. Always watching Television with the volume up so loud, one can not concentrate at all..We are both retired and together most of the day.. In the summer month we are outdoors all day, which makes it more tolerable
I hope your therapy helps. I don't walk much better since I had all this therapy a few years ago.
They did not do anything for me. Doctors wanted me to take tranquillizers as they thought there was so many children in my home.. They were never so wrong, it too 30 years before anyone looked into my brain. But the results turned out to be pretty much like I imagine it would.. Family was so surprised. They never believed I had a thing wrong with my brain. Well when I told them the aliens did it.. that did it Lois is a nut case. But I never told any doctor this back in those days.
Jcurio. Thanks for replying. Yes I don't let it interfere with my life. I do what I want to do. If I fall I get up.
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Post by lois on Jan 15, 2012 16:22:08 GMT -6
Lorelei wrote..Lois: I'm amazed at how you are able to get around with this debilitating brain injury... wow...
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I think Lois also told me that she also has trouble with one of her eyes dilating properly in the light... right Lois?[/quote]
Right after my encounter, my one eye was dilated for two months. The eye clinic said there was nothing wrong and for me to wear sunglasses . By that I mean no damage to my optic nerve.
They told me to keep away from light especially watching TV. When they could not find a reason for it I knew I could not tell them how and when it happen. I know when I tried to look at the light coming from the center porthole of this ship it hurt my eyes but I kept on trying to see inside til I finally was able to see the inter room.
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Jan 15, 2012 16:29:59 GMT -6
Post by bewildered on Jan 15, 2012 16:29:59 GMT -6
I wear glasses since I suffer from myopia. Despite my near-sightedness my vision is otherwise is excellent under most conditions. I have good night vision, something I learned to develop even further from years spent living without electricity and the bright lights of urban areas. The trick is to learn how to attune your other senses to cooperate with your vision, and walk carefully and purposefully. I could navigate the forest at night without falling flat on my face mostly because I was listening and feeling more than I was actually seeing.
I think this is an art and an ability that many of us in this day and age have lost. We become used to the blazing light of electric bulbs; our senses become dulled by the steady hum of powerlines and the roar of vehicles on the streets that surround us. Believe me, the diference between the wilderness at night and a suburb in the evening is the difference between night and day. I treasure the silence whenever I find it: with it, I can hear more, and even see more, than I ever could otherwise. In the silence, I can hear my own thoughts and and feel the steady beating of my heart. It was in the silence that I began to understand my own mind...its limits and boundaries, and how those walls are nothing but a cleverly disguised illusion. That is virtually impossible to achieve submerged in the din of modern living.
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Jan 15, 2012 16:30:02 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 15, 2012 16:30:02 GMT -6
Lorelei, . I have many Grand kids who have had to have surgery on their eyes due to muscles. I often wondered if it was hereditary.. Do you know?
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Jan 15, 2012 16:36:02 GMT -6
Post by bewildered on Jan 15, 2012 16:36:02 GMT -6
Lorelei, . I have many Grand kids who have had to have surgery on their eyes due to muscles. I often wondered if it was hereditary.. Do you know? Ocular deficiencies are indeed inherited. My mother suffers from ocular-pharyngeal muscular dystrophy, a condition that is known to afflict people from the Northeastern U.S. and Canada. Her eyelids started drooping and she began to have issues with swallowing...that's because certain ocular and esophegeal and pharyngeal muscles were slowly degenerating. I have not showed signs of this in myself...at least not yet anyway. She is, however, nearsighted, something she passed along to her children. Myself and my three sisters all wear glasses because we're near-sighted. My father is far-sighted and also has an astigmatism. I guess he didn't pass that along to us. Edit: The condition is correctable via surgery. She's had some surgeries over the years to shorten and strengthen her ocular muscles, thus correcting the eyelid droop. Although a similar surgery was available to help with her swallowing issues, she has thus far refused to undergo such a procedure. I can't say I blame her.
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Jan 15, 2012 21:25:07 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 15, 2012 21:25:07 GMT -6
I wear glasses since I suffer from myopia. Despite my near-sightedness my vision is otherwise is excellent under most conditions. I have good night vision, something I learned to develop even further from years spent living without electricity and the bright lights of urban areas. The trick is to learn how to attune your other senses to cooperate with your vision, and walk carefully and purposefully. I could navigate the forest at night without falling flat on my face mostly because I was listening and feeling more than I was actually seeing. I think this is an art and an ability that many of us in this day and age have lost. We become used to the blazing light of electric bulbs; our senses become dulled by the steady hum of powerlines and the roar of vehicles on the streets that surround us. Believe me, the diference between the wilderness at night and a suburb in the evening is the difference between night and day. I treasure the silence whenever I find it: with it, I can hear more, and even see more, than I ever could otherwise. In the silence, I can hear my own thoughts and and feel the steady beating of my heart. It was in the silence that I began to understand my own mind...its limits and boundaries, and how those walls are nothing but a cleverly disguised illusion. That is virtually impossible to achieve submerged in the din of modern living. Oh! what I would give for that!! Even if it was only a once in while occurrence. Peace and quite. When my husband retires for the night. I turn the TV off and sit here at the computer. Which is not total peace, but it is a big relief to me. I get up pretty late in the morning because of it. And with the time the way it is now. I do not see enough daylight ;D In the summer I go out doors at night. We are very cold now.. but if I can take the temp.. I go out .. In the summer I'm out all day ;D
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Jan 15, 2012 23:42:54 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 23:42:54 GMT -6
I agree BW. When I am in a familiar area, or a quiet area without a lot of distraction my senses are far more "fine tuned"... However... at work there are co-workers running around yammering at eachother in Spanish... there are customers running around yammering at each other in Korean, Chinese, German, and God knows what else... (The Germans are the most distracting because I try to figure out what they're saying and if I hear a word I don't know I'll think about it lol...) There's always someone running up to me (because of my "uniform" they call it but it's more like a "costume" IMO...) wanting to know where something is, how much something is, why this is the only one we have left (uhm... because we sold all the other ones I guess and someone didn't order enough... I dunno...) and "Do you think these pants make my butt look fat?" It's very easy to get distracted when you have three customers fighting for your attention, your manager comes up to you and starts balling you out for not doing something nobody told you to do... then the phone rings... But yea... Hard to pay attention to things in that environment... hard to actually remember what my name is too on some days... the bad thing is I usually forget my name tag... ;D
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Jan 16, 2012 4:32:53 GMT -6
Post by bewildered on Jan 16, 2012 4:32:53 GMT -6
This is probably a good time to share one of those experiences custom-tailored for a skeptic like me. I'm slow to believe something at first. It needs to either keep happening on a frequent basis, or afford me the opportunity to put it to the test while it's going on. The latter applies to this experience.
Before I divulge the details, I'll mention two things. First, I have no idea how or why this happened. Second, I have not been able to reproduce it at will, which is very frustrating. It was pretty cool once I realized it was actually taking place, and not just in my fertile imagination. This is a phenomenon that defintely merits study in a laboratory.
One night I was reclined in bed, reading a book. In those days of my youth, I would devour a 400 page book per night. These days, if I lie down and start to read in bed, I fall asleep in mere minutes, book plopped on my face. ;D
I leaned my head back on the pillow and closed my eyes. When I did, it was if I could still see everything around me and in front of me. No big deal...concentrated focusing of the eyes (or exposure to very bright light) can produce a "negative image" on your retinas that persists for a while. You can see this image in relief when you close your eyes.
The only problem with this, though, is that it was not a "negative" image. Everything appeared shrouded and misty...but still visible. I could even read the words on the pages of the book with my eyes closed.
Hmmm, okay. I planted the pillow on my face to find out if I was just seeing through my eyelids. That was when the "holy birthday cake!" moment arrived. Everything looked the same, including the words on the pages of the book. Misty and a bit shrouded, but clearly visible. Pretty weird.
I tried standing up and walking around the bedroom with the pillow over my face. Surely if this was just some trick of my mind, I would find out quickly enough. I saw my misty shoes on the floor and kicked at them...and felt them contact my real, bona-fide foot. I went to the dresser and grabbed hold of my watch, noting the time. Taking the pillow off my face, it was the same watch with the same time I just looked at without my eyes.
It's continued to happen now and then over the years, and I have no rational explanation for it. The only thing I note apart from the fact that I can "see without my eyes" is that I know when it's about to happen.
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