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Post by Steve on May 29, 2011 16:33:23 GMT -6
Jacobsen's witness highlights how as time passes, memories blur, and important information dies along with witnesses. Whether it be Roswell, crash recoveries, or even about the Second World War, marking and preserving anything from that remarkable era.
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Post by auntym on May 29, 2011 22:45:31 GMT -6
ABC Nightline with Bill Weir, May 26, 2011: Annie Jacobsen and Area 51 Book
I managed 80 pages so far. Not exactly the most readable book, she seems to be all over the place. "1% of the book speaks of the new Roswell theory" - and in the first 80 pages, she has managed to hint at the Roswell/UFO/Russian/Nazi theory at least 4 times. She also manages to get even common known facts about Area 51 wrong - read the reviews for the book on Amazon for more details. TheKookOfKong
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Post by skywalker on May 29, 2011 23:31:45 GMT -6
I'm listening to Jacobsen being interviewed on Coast to Coast and so far I am not all impressed. She didn't even know the government had done nuclear testing in Nevada until she started doing research for this book. I thought that was common knowledge. So far she hasn't said anything that I didn't know twenty years ago.
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Post by skywalker on May 29, 2011 23:56:55 GMT -6
Okay, now she just said that all of her information about this Soviet/German phony UFO being flown by deformed little kids came from one single dude. Her source claimed that he received the crashed Roswell debris after it came from Wright Paterson Air Force base but he also told her that he saw the deformed bodies of these little kid aviators while they were still on life support. Why would the little kids still be with the wreckage when they turned it over to this dude? And how does he know where it came from or who sent it? And why would he have access to the bodies of the little kids when his job was only to examine the pieces of the wreckage? This doesn't make any sense at all.
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Post by skywalker on May 30, 2011 0:38:51 GMT -6
Okay, I think I have a good idea of what is going on now. Apparently Ms. Jacobsen heard the story from one guy who used to work at Area 51. He heard the story from somebody else, who probably heard it from somebody else, who heard it from somebody else and so on and so on...It is nothing but hearsay. There is no evidence whatsoever to back up this silly Russian/German disc-shaped craft being piloted by deformed little kid story. It is just like I suspected...total BS. Yet for some reason Jacobsen has put her total faith in what this one guy has told her. That is not exactly the greatest thing for an investigative journalist to do but it is pretty common nowadays. This explains why the news media has so many problems figuring out what the news is...they just report whatever they hear.
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Post by bewildered on May 30, 2011 1:52:42 GMT -6
Okay, I think I have a good idea of what is going on now. Apparently Ms. Jacobsen heard the story from one guy who used to work at Area 51. He heard the story from somebody else, who probably heard it from somebody else, who heard it from somebody else and so on and so on...It is nothing but hearsay. There is no evidence whatsoever to back up this silly Russian/German disc-shaped craft being piloted by deformed little kid story. It is just like I suspected...total BS. Yet for some reason Jacobsen has put her total faith in what this one guy has told her. That is not exactly the greatest thing for an investigative journalist to do but it is pretty common nowadays. This explains why the news media has so many problems figuring out what the news is...they just report whatever they hear. What's important is what is not being said, and why this was circulated in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 2:14:12 GMT -6
What's important is what is not being said, and why this was circulated in the first place. ~nods~
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Post by skywalker on May 30, 2011 8:17:46 GMT -6
It's obviously being circulated to distract people from what is really going on. That's how disinformation works. Tell people a lie and they waste all of their time trying to disprove the lie instead of trying to prove the truth. I think that is why this Jacobsen woman was "handed" this story. They specifically chose her to be the one to disseminate it. She was probably naive and gullible enough to accept what she heard as the truth and she had the credentials to make a lot of other people believe it. And since she is now being ripped to pieces by just about everybody on both sides of the issue that might also dissuade any other serious journalists from investigating what's really going on out there.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 22:26:59 GMT -6
I'm with you on this one Bewildered..I'm much more interested in why this was started. I also have a lot of trouble with any journalist basing a book on hearsay from one person who heard it from another...etc. Of course we only know the side we're seeing which seems bizarre to say the least...and I am sure this was meant to get attention.
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Post by auntym on Jun 1, 2011 11:55:36 GMT -6
www.thespacereview.com/article/1852/1Wednesday, June 01, 2011 Area 51| "People Should Have Been Wary of Jacobsen From the Start . . ." ROSWELL THAT ENDS WELLby Dwayne A. Day Tuesday, May 31, 2011 Comments (19) Bookmark and Share Annie Jacobsen must have a great agent. She has written a poorly-sourced, error-filled book about Area 51 and yet has gained tremendous publicity. The book has been reviewed in The New York Times and numerous websites. She has appeared on The Daily Show, NPR, morning talk shows, and even Nightline (although she probably wishes she had skipped the last one). People should have been wary of Jacobsen from the start, based upon a breathless and unsubstantiated claim she made in 2004 that some Syrian men were on a “dry run” to hijack the commercial airliner she was on. It turned out that they were musicians traveling to a gig near San Diego. So she has a reputation for spinning tales. Now a normal, sane person would read that claim and conclude that Jacobsen is, at the very least, pretty gullible. Unfortunately, we don’t live in normal, sane times. Although many reviewers claim that her research on atomic weapons tests and classified aircraft projects in the Nevada desert is well-researched and informative (it isn’t), the part of her book that the critics end up tripping over comes near the end of the 523-page book. That is where Jacobsen claims that children, perhaps as young as 13 years old and genetically or surgically altered by Nazi doctor Joseph Mengele, flew a Nazi “flying disk” into the United States as part of a plan by Joseph Stalin to cause mass panic of an alien invasion. The plane crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. The United States then engaged in unethical Mengele-like research at Area 51. Read that paragraph again. I’ll wait. Now a normal, sane person would read that claim and conclude that Jacobsen is a nut, or, at the very least, pretty gullible. Unfortunately, we don’t live in normal, sane times, and various reporters have been eating this up with Cool Whip and a cherry on top and acting if the book is so well-researched that Jacobsen at least deserves the benefit of the doubt about the mutant Nazi teenage big-headed pilots, no matter how crazy that story seems. The New York Times even referred to the book as “levelheaded.” Jacobsen claims that her sole source for this information is an elderly man who she says has impeccable credentials, but whom she refuses to reveal. Now I’ve read All The President’s Men, about the Watergate investigation, and one of the things that I picked up there is that good editors insist that their reporters have two sources for any piece of inflammatory or controversial information. I know that journalism standards have fallen a lot in the decades since then, but it would still be nice if Jacobsen’s editor had insisted that she find confirmation for this ridiculous story or leave it out of the book. When pressed about it on Nightline by Bill Weir, the only reporter who seems to remember what his job is, Jacobsen stated that as long as a source is credible to her, anything that source says is automatically credible and doesn’t require questioning—even if it defies common sense. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 13:15:30 GMT -6
The woman is out of her mind.
...but then again... so am I. ~shrug~
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Post by auntym on Jun 1, 2011 14:01:05 GMT -6
LOL.... you're right jo....i thought this was the other thread.... ;D all of these titles and articles are starting to jumble together inside my brain.....LOL i will move this tomorrow....if i do it now it will disappear from the 50 MOST RECENT POSTS and no one will see it..... tomorrow.....
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2011 21:13:05 GMT -6
What's important is what is not being said, and why this was circulated in the first place. Would you care to elaborate on that, BW? I'm sure the government is up to one of their nefarious schemes as usual, but what exactly do you think is going on?
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Post by auntym on Jun 4, 2011 23:22:44 GMT -6
www.theufochronicles.com/2011/06/area-51-uncensored-history-of-americas.htmlSaturday, June 04, 2011 Area 51: An Uncensored History of America’s TOP SECRET Military Base | A Review By Stanton Friedman By Stanton friedman www.stantonfriedman.com6-4-11 I frankly cannot remember the last time a “UFO” book was published that received as much attention as did the publication in May of Annie Jacobsen’s “Area 51: An Uncensored History of America’s TOP SECRET Military Base”. The book is a big one at 523 pages and was published by Little, Brown and Company. The last 133 pages are notes. I am listed as one of 45 secondary interviews along with investigative Journalist George Knapp, Norio Hayakawa and Robert Lazar. Strangely, what has received the most attention, despite the title, is the claim of a totally new explanation for the Roswell Incident. There have, of course, been several official Roswell explanations put forth by the government, including a ”flying Saucer”; a weather balloon radar reflector combination; a Mogul balloon train and my favorite, to explain reports of alien bodies: Crash test dummies dropped all over New Mexico. Of course, none were dropped before 1953 and all were 6’ tall and weighed 175 pounds and were in USAF pilot uniforms. Unfortunately, this ridiculous explanation was uncritically accepted by the New York Times which also carried a favorable review of the new book.In stark contrast the Washington Post of June 3 carried a scathing review. As the original civilian investigator of the Roswell Incident, I have been convinced, based on my own very extensive research, and on that of other serious investigators such as Don Berliner (we co authored “Crash at Corona: The Definitive study of the Roswell Incident”), Don Schmitt and Tom Carey’s “Witness to Roswell” and Don Schmitt’s and Kevin Randle’s Roswell books as well as research by Dennis Balthaser, Dr. David Rudiak and others, that the explanation best fit by the evidence is an alien spacecraft. Of course, the debunker explanation is always “ABA” or “Anything But Alien”. Annie, apparently only supported by an anonymous source who worked at Area 51 for many years, claims that in reality what was recovered was basically a hoax: a flying wing aircraft designed by the German aircraft designers brothers Walter and Reimar Horten.It was flown remotely somehow from Alaska containing 5 13 year old boys genetically modified by Dr. Josef Mengele (the Nazi angel of death at Auschwitz) by arrangement with Joseph Stalin. Stalin’s goal supposedly was to create a panic in the United States when this craft crashed, similar to what happened in response to the Orson Welles “War of the Worlds” radio broadcast in October 1938. People would interpret the deformed boys as aliens and there would be panic! Don’t laugh, she is very serious. Anybody who recalls the radio broadcast knows it was presented as a live news broadcast in real time as people and buildings were supposedly being destroyed by strange Martian invaders. This was in New Jersey in one of the most densely populated areas of the USA. If the stories were believed, then there was certainly reason to panic. What could we do against such an attack? Of course, near Roswell there was no real time event, no reporters present, and no mention of killing or destruction. It was truly out in the boondocks. The Anonymous Source (AS) says the flying wing, with sort of a dome on top, was taken with the bodies, some of whom were alive, to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Then a special area was created in the Nevada desert to which the bodies and the craft were brought in 1951 because the guys in OHIO had been unable to determine how the vehicle worked. It was named area 51 because of the year!! No evidence was provided except the story by AS.. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2011 23:28:15 GMT -6
OY VEY Yet another...does anyone honestly think that anyone in the government would ever admit Roswell was a crash of an extraterrestrial vehicle?
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Post by skywalker on Jun 4, 2011 23:37:47 GMT -6
Why not? They have called it everything else they can think of and nobody believes them. If they called it an alien space craft people would probably think they were lying about it to cover up something else...like a weather balloon. Then people would go out and create an organization called MWBN--The Mutual Weather Balloon Network--and then they could argue with each other and hide all of the evidence and fire all of their investigators and shut down their forum with no warning and make fools out of themselves. Meanwhile the MIBs--Men in Balloons--would be laughing themselves silly. And speaking of silly, I think I need to go to sleep. I'm becoming even more delirious than usual.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 2:48:20 GMT -6
Why not? They have called it everything else they can think of and nobody believes them. If they called it an alien space craft people would probably think they were lying about it to cover up something else...like a weather balloon. Then people would go out and create an organization called MWBN--The Mutual Weather Balloon Network--and then they could argue with each other and hide all of the evidence and fire all of their investigators and shut down their forum with no warning and make fools out of themselves. Meanwhile the MIBs--Men in Balloons--would be laughing themselves silly. And speaking of silly, I think I need to go to sleep. I'm becoming even more delirious than usual. You are? I didn't notice... ~smirk~
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 12:16:40 GMT -6
~chirp of hysterical laughter~
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 10:02:02 GMT -6
Well, Roswell just like a fine wine..ages remarkably well. If you don't like the Russian/German contention..then how about the shaved rhesus monkey contention? There also could be a theory that the government (knowing how most minds work) leaked the story about a crashed UFO (which would be the real story) knowing that most would find the real story more ridiculous than weather balloons 'Bill Lyne of Lamy agrees that the Roswell incident was faked, but he thinks the hoax was perpetrated by the U.S. government — not the Russians. "They're just saying what I've been saying all along, that it was a hoax," he said. "But that Mengele stuff is a bunch of hogwash because Mengele was recruited by the CIA (rather than the Russians), and he was actually brought to Albuquerque." Lyne, who self-published a book called Space Aliens from the Pentagon in 1993, maintains the creatures recovered after a crash near Roswell in July 1947 were rhesus monkeys killed in a rocket-sled or early rocketry experiment. He said monkeys were shaved so their "g-suits" would fit. "They changed from rhesus monkeys to chimpanzees after that," Lyne said. "The rhesus monkeys were too hard to handle. They were violent. ... They probably cut (the monkeys') fingertips off because they had these claws." I think all of this proves that just about anyone can write a book www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/Stalin--Mengele-plot-latest-theory-on-Roswell--UFO-----
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Post by skywalker on Jun 6, 2011 10:32:51 GMT -6
I'll add that one to my ever-expanding collection of ridiculous Roswell theories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 15:35:26 GMT -6
Yep..figured you'd like that one LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 15:44:45 GMT -6
I actually think the monkey story is more believable than the mutant children story... but that's me.
I can see shaved monkeys falling from the sky... because they did use monkeys for space travel too you know... ~shrug~
But still... there are too many questions which are raised from other facts about the Roswell case which cannot be explained by a mere flying barrel full of shaved monkeys...
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Post by auntym on Jun 7, 2011 13:47:42 GMT -6
weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/07/area-51-ufos-aliens-annie-jacobsen-nazi-soviet_n_869706.html#s285846&title=Area_51_WarningArea 51 Personnel Feel 'Betrayed' By Annie Jacobsen's Soviet-Nazi UFO ConnectionLee Speigel lee.speigel@huffingtonpost.com First Posted: 06/ 7/11 A bestselling book on Area 51 is so controversial that it has shocked even its sources with an outrageous claim that the infamous Roswell, N.M., UFO crash of 1947 was really caused by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and one of the most notorious Nazi criminals. A group of retired test pilots, engineers and military personnel from the fabled Nevada military installation, who played a crucial role in investigative journalist Annie Jacobsen's new book "Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base" (Little, Brown and Co.), are reportedly unhappy about the writer's shocking conclusion. "It caught us completely by surprise -- we were blindsided," said T.D. Barnes, a former electronics, radar and communications expert who first came to work at Area 51 in 1968. While the U.S. government still doesn't confirm the existence of Area 51, many say that Cold War technology -- including the U2 and A-12 spy planes and stealth aircraft -- were routinely tested at this abandoned bombing range nearly 100 miles north of Las Vegas during the 1950s and 60s. For decades, rumors spread around the area that the military was testing captured alien spacecraft as well as examining the wreckage and remains of extraterrestrials that had crashed outside of Roswell in 1947. Jacobsen wrote her book to reveal the various secret projects that took place at Area 51, also referred to as Groom Lake, and interviewed a group of former Area 51 personnel, called Roadrunners Internationale, that included Barnes, the president of the Roadrunners. Despite the true military aircraft testing that went on at Area 51, the one story that has persisted for decades -- and which is enjoying most of the attention from Jacobsen's book -- is the Roswell UFO story. For more than 60 years, the most fabled UFO legend of all time has been argued and dissected as those on both sides of the issue have tried to identify the source of the object that crashed outside of Roswell. Until now, theories ranging from alien spacecraft to weather balloon to anti-Soviet Union spy program have been bandied about. But Jacobsen adds a blockbuster new dimension to the whole picture: Was the Roswell UFO really a Soviet-built circular craft that contained a "crew" of Nazi-based, surgically-altered youngsters built for the purpose of causing hysteria in America? An unnamed source told Jacobsen the story of how ex-Soviet leader Josef Stalin recruited ex-Nazi Josef Mengele to be part of a scheme where a "UFO with aliens" was created to scare Americans. According to the tale, Mengele -- the infamous Nazi "angel of death" who experimented on children at concentration camps -- surgically altered a group of youngsters to look like aliens. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by lois on Jul 3, 2011 21:34:22 GMT -6
The only thing you need to believe is Jessie and the released press statemant.. Of course I have more powerful reasons. I seen a ufo in the summer of 47 above my neighbors house. and I seen two beings in spacesuits and helmets.. this sure clinched it for me when I seen Jessie on TV giving his statement in the 70s.. I don't care what story they give today.. It was also told by witnesses at the scene they wore jumpsuits. It all matched.. up..
This is when I first started telling family what I seen at four. I never had as they would of never believe me but it did no good. they still are in doubt. lol .. My own Mother whom I told to come out and see, did not remember..
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Post by Steve on Aug 13, 2011 9:44:32 GMT -6
July 11, 2011
By James E. Clarkson
Not on My Roswell – Why the Joe Stalin Saucer Explanation for Roswell Is More Disinformation by James E. Clarkson
In early May I was contacted by a publisher’s agent to ask if I would review Annie Jacobsen’s new book, AREA 51-An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base by Annie Jacobsen published by Little, Brown and Company New York, New York May 2011. Soon I received a high quality hardcover edition.
The book, AREA 51 is a very well organized and detailed history of the notorious above top secret test facility in the remote deserts of Nevada, the development of nuclear weapons capability in the United States after World War II, and the engineering of spy planes and stealth technology. What captivates the reader is the idea of finally learning anything definite about the location whose existence has been denied by government officials who must realize how silly they appear when the public commonly equates the phrase “Area 51” with extreme secrecy about advanced and possibly extraterrestrial aviation technology.
It comprises 390 pages for the main text, with 384 notes, 46 primary interview sources identified with appropriate credentials and affiliations, also numerous secondary interviews, and an acknowledgement of numerous interviews with current employees of various federal agencies and defense contractors obtained under a promise of anonymity.
Most of this work is devoted to describing how this mysterious classified facility in Nevada was critically important to our national defense because it was the center for the development and deployment of high tech spy planes. The story of Area 51 is right at the heart of the history of the US and the Soviets playing nuclear brinkmanship with ever more powerful and dirtier nukes. Our nukes were tested in the areas adjacent to Area 51 to the point that parts of the facility are contaminated.
However, the book also includes what Annie Jacobsen claims is the real explanation for the Roswell Event of 1947. Just to recap for those who have not been keeping score, these are the so-called official explanations for the Roswell, New Mexico Crash Retrieval Event of the 1947 July 4th weekend: an Army Air Corps press release that they had a “recovered flying disc” and shortly afterwards a deflated weather balloon, a classified project involving multiple balloons with some electronics attached called Project Mogul, the same story with the addition of dropped dummies being mistaken for extraterrestrials in response to the 1997 50th anniversary celebration in Roswell, a rocket gone astray with burned up chimpanzees inside, a Japanese attempt to scare Americans with the bodies of POWS inside, and now this new “explanation” as disclosed in AREA 51.
The interviews with former Area 51 personnel make this book fascinating. But we do not know how Annie Jacobsen “found” these witnesses. Granted she is an experienced investigative journalist. But the political history of UFO research contains other examples of how the media is used, wittingly and unwittingly, to thwart and deflect the search for the truth. More importantly, the public has to be kept in the dark. My reaction to Jacobsen’s Roswell revelation is based upon my sense that when she was “given” this supposed true explanation for Roswell, she became part of the problem, and not the solution as I will demonstrate. (See The Missing Times by Terry Hansen on how the Media and the publishing industry have become little more than CIA servants when it comes to any story related to UFOs.)
According to Ms. Jacobsen’s informant, the Roswell UFO Crash Event should be called “Stalin’s Black Propaganda Hoax.” A large, unidentified Soviet aircraft entered the USA via Alaska and launched a remote-controlled saucer-like advanced aircraft that crashed outside of Roswell, NM. The crashed vehicle was occupied by children who had been subjected to horrific surgery by Josef Mengele, the butcher of Auschwitz, who worked for Stalin after the end of WWII even though he died years later in South America. There is apparently no disagreement about the accepted sequence of events surrounding the Roswell Crash related to the discovery of the wreckage, the press releases, the cover-up, and the intimidation of witnesses as these events have been described by UFO researchers.
The entire theory rests upon the testimony of an anonymous informant. He disclosed to Annie Jacobsen that the retro-engineering of Roswell wreckage was assigned to 5 specially selected engineers from a major defense contractor, the EG&G Company. The project was hidden with the highest possible security classification inside the Atomic Energy Commission. The work was done in an even more remote location in Area 51 called S-4.
The informant claimed that the vehicle that crashed at Roswell was actually a fake Martian saucer created by Nazi scientists captured by the Soviets at the end of WWII. Stalin’s goal was to create a national panic in the USA and to intimidate the US military with his vastly superior aircraft technology. The inspiration for this idea was the broadcast of Orson Welles in 1938, when his dramatic radio recreation of a Martian invasion created unanticipated panic. Supposedly, what really panicked our military was the discovery that the writing on pieces of the wreckage of Stalin’s was Cyrillic.
The need for an immediate cover-up and extreme secrecy was based upon "fears that the Russians had hover and fly technology, that there flying craft could outfox US radar and that it could deliver to America a devastating blow." (Page 37, AREA 51) The informant confessed to Jacobsen that the ongoing policy of absolute secrecy was also necessitated by the acts of this band of EG&G engineers – supposedly because “People were killed” in the USA as part of their experiments until the 1980s. No explanation was offered as to how or why a small group of aviation engineers would be charged with conducting medical experiments.
The author claims that the writing discovered on the debris from the Roswell craft was in fact block letters from the Cyrillic alphabet. This is apparently an indirect reference to the recollections of Jesse Marcel Senior and Jesse Marcel Junior who both described extremely light I-beam like material with strange lettering on it. No explanation is given as to why Jesse Marcel Junior, an emergency room surgeon and Iraq war veteran has still never seen enough Cyrillic writing in his lifetime to make the connection with his childhood recollection of the mysterious debris brought home by his father in 1947.
The radical “hover and fly” technology was attributed to two brothers, Walter and Reimar Horten. Supposedly these two brothers had created a new flying technology based upon a power source that was so unique, that the Project Paperclip scientists to include Dr. Werner von Braun were unable to identify the type of engineering used to propel the craft. Yet when describing the Horten’s prototype aircraft with its unusual crescent shape, the comment is made that these craft could fly higher and faster up to 1200 mph because they were propelled by rockets rather than jet engines. These statements seem contradictory and there is little doubt that Dr. von Braun and many of the other Project Paperclip scientists were imaginative designers. (Page 41, AREA 51)
In the photo section of the book there is a pictured diagram of a Horten Brothers’ design that shows a model diagram with rockets plainly labeled. There is also a definite statement about what didn’t happen afterwards in the Soviet Union: "The Soviets couldn't advance their aerial reconnaissance program because so much of their efforts went into advancing surface to air missile technology." (Page 138, AREA 51)
If advanced hover and fly technology truly was possessed by the Soviets, why was it never used against the United States with the exception of sending a fake Martian ship to Roswell? Why wasn't this technology used for surveillance of the United States in the same way that we sent the U2 spy planes over Russia? Why wasn’t it used offensively against the US or against the Afghans in the same way we brought out the highly classified Stealth bombers in the first Gulf War? Where was the Stalin Saucer launched from? Where did the remote control technology go? Where did the advanced hover and fly technology go? No explanations are given.
The cleverness of AREA 51 resides in how the reader is set up to accept the Stalin Saucer theory. Here is a prime example of how the background is painted with broad brush strokes so no one will recall the key aspects of the Roswell story. On Page 17: “The local coroner received a mysterious call requesting several child sized coffins that could be hermetically sealed." This statement appears to refer to one of the primary Roswell witnesses, Glenn Dennis, who as a young man worked at the Ballard funeral home in Roswell New Mexico. He was a mortician, not the coroner, an elected county official.
Perhaps the story of the mortician Glenn Dennis was kept very brief so that it would seem to support the Stalin Saucer theory. Glenn Dennis was not named because even a cursory search into his story summons the story of his friend, the mysterious Nurse. The nurse was on duty at Walker Army Air Field right after the bodies were recovered outside Roswell. She was called into a room to take notes during an examination of the bodies from the crash site. This raises a major question: Why couldn’t military doctors tell that the bodies recovered in the Roswell Crash were those of surgically-altered children as opposed to extraterrestrial humanoids?
This selection from Glenn Dennis’ 1991 affidavit relates the description the Nurse gave to Dennis:
(11) She said she had gone to get supplies in a room where two doctors were performing a preliminary autopsy. The doctors said they needed her to take notes during the procedure. She said she had never smelled anything so horrible in her life, and the sight was the most gruesome she had ever seen. She said, "This was something no one has ever seen." As she spoke, I was concerned that she might go into shock.
(12) She drew me a diagram of the bodies, including an arm with a hand that had only four fingers; the doctors noted that on the end of the fingers were little pads resembling suction cups. She said the head was disproportionately large for the body; the eyes were deeply set; the skulls were flexible; the nose was concave with only two orifices; the mouth was a fine slit, and the doctors said there was heavy cartilage instead of teeth. The ears were only small orifices with flaps. They had no hair, and the skin was black–perhaps due to exposure in the sun. She gave me the drawings.
In 2000 I delivered the transcript of the key interview of my friend June Crain to Glenn Dennis in person at the UFO Museum in Roswell. June Crain worked at Wright-Patterson AFB from 1942-1952 and I believe that her testimony plus the results of my investigation into her background and statements, establishes her as a key corroborating witness to a cover-up of at least three UFO Crash Retrieval Events involving Non-Humans, not Russians.
Glenn Dennis and I talked in private. When I left our meeting, whatever doubts I had about the nature of the Roswell event in 1947 were ended. He remains an honest man and a solid witness. His belief is that the being described by his friend, the Nurse, was not of this earth. What she saw that day so terrified her she resigned her commission and became a nun. He has protected her identity from everyone including frustrated UFO researchers.
The Stalin Saucer theory will be readily accepted by skeptics and those who have not studied the Roswell Event. It will gain traction for the very same reasons that I take issue with Annie Jacobsen’s argument that Ockham’s razor applies to make the Stalin Saucer explanation the most likely explanation. The argument is only valid if a priori, you accept that the crash of an ET spacecraft is not a possible explanation for what triggered the extreme cover-up and secrecy surrounding Roswell. Meteorites cannot exist because there are no rocks in the sky.
According to Jacobsen, the Stalin Saucer Crash was kept secret because the military was afraid of how it would be perceived by the public. What about the rise of fervent anti-Communism in post World War II politics? If Stalin really tried to create a panic in the USA with a fake Martian saucer, why not expose his ploy and aid the effort to whip up anti-Soviet fervor, McCarthyism, and Le May’s longing to go to war?
If the goal was to promote the war on Communism, why not use the opportunity of exposing the Stalin Saucer with its helpless mutilated child passengers as an example of godless Communism at its worst? Even if the cabal of engineers from EG&G was busy in deep secrecy at S-4 trying to outdo Josef Mengele, what difference would it make? Everything done by these engineers was kept under very high security, so why would their conduct matter if the public would never know anyway?
Who really benefits from disclosing this “new and improved” Roswell explanation? Perhaps the inclusion of the new explanation for the Roswell events was the price that Annie Jacobsen paid for getting access to the testimonies of Area 51 retirees. Such testimony would have been impossible to obtain previously because of security oaths.
We know nothing about the loyalties or motivations of the sole surviving informant who supposedly disclosed the truth about Roswell. We also do not know how their meeting was orchestrated or by whom. She relates that she interviewed the informant for 18 months in preparation for the disclosure of the Stalin Saucer explanation.
If you are an experienced interviewer, you have to consider the possibility that particular information is being given to you for a reason, especially if it seems significant and startling. In other words, just because you think you are the interviewer and therefore in control, you can’t rule out that you are being played. The detached totally objective observer doesn’t exist in physics, and it’s a fallacy in the world of informants.
We have all had interviews with UFO witnesses who allude to secrets so extraordinary and so scary in their implications that they cannot be divulged. This is a technique used by interviewees to add to the credibility capital of their disclosures. This is what I call Disclosure Mystique. There are several possible motives for pretending to possess more information than what is surrendered to the interviewer. The motive may be to increase their importance as a source, or it may be to tantalize to the point that the interviewer is focusing more on the potential value of the information than upon the credibility of the source. This is when the interviewer may bite the hook along with the bait.
After finishing AREA 51, I wondered how it is classified in book stores. I went to the local outlet of a major bookstore chain and I asked for a copy. I was told AREA 51 was placed under the heading of “Military History.” Given that this book reveals yet another Roswell explanation with no documentation and no source identification, why isn’t AREA 51 placed in the “UFOs/Metaphysical” category like all the other marginalized but well researched UFO books?
Roswell is actually an ongoing investigation that comprises over 30 plus years of dedicated work by researchers such as Stanton Friedman beginning in 1978, Kevin Randle, too many others to name, and most recently covered in depth in Witness to Roswell- Unmasking the 60-Year Cover-Up by Thomas J. Carey and Donald R. Schmitt (2009 edition) or Roswell Legacy by Jesse Marcel, Jr. The real Roswell investigation includes the testimony of some 600 witnesses.
Many of these identified witnesses have chosen to disclose their knowledge in violation of their security oaths. Many times these decisions arose from a sense of mortality because of advanced age or terminal illness. I would ask any skeptic: Why would anyone risk their reputation or pension to expose their knowledge of the reality of Contact with Non-Human Intelligence? These witnesses are not making money from their disclosures and they are opening themselves or their families to ridicule at the very least.
AREA 51 contains a reference to a still classified CIA file about the management of the UFO problem. There is a lengthy description of how the CIA indirectly manages the news media to influence public opinion about UFOs. This fact also plays into the ultimate question that is raised by the existence of this particular book with its unprecedented disclosures about Roswell. (AREA 51, pages 64-68)
There is a further reference to the CIA's psychological strategy Board urging the National Security Council to "monitor private UFO groups" may be viewed as part of an ongoing strategy. There is no statement in the book to indicate that these policies have ever been terminated. In this sense, perhaps Annie Jacobsen may have been given a Trojan horse by the Secret-Keepers.
If you take the classic Crashed ET-UFO explanation for Roswell and compare it to the Stalin Saucer explanation from Annie Jacobsen’s book, we should be warned by what factors they have in common: Both explanations involve a massive initial and ongoing cover-up of the Roswell Event, to include disinformation (lying), threats and intimidation (assault and extortion), and even assassination (murder), felony conspiracy to commit these acts, and innumerable violations of the Bill of Rights.
If these illegal acts are described in a UFO/Metaphysical book, they are dismissed as conspiracy theory. When the same extreme official misconduct is included in a Military History book like AREA 51, this is just history with no relevancy to our times. Once you establish that a suspect or a black budget agency has committed, or may still be committing, terrible acts, how can you trust anything they tell you?
In conclusion, I am encouraged by AREA 51 as it represents another albeit indirect official disinformation about Roswell. I suggest that the appropriate thank you gift to the key informant of the Stalin Saucer explanation would be five pounds of Miracle-Gro. If all of us conspiracy theorists and UFO buffs are so totally out of touch with reality, why even bother to keep trying to bury Roswell?
I am glad the Disinformation folks still care enough to lie to us. Perhaps we are closer to the disclosure of the truth than we have ever been. Our opponents may be on the ropes and the cover-up is threadbare and rotting. That’s why the alternative explanations become more and more absurd.
To this attempt to dismiss the Roswell Event with the Stalin Saucer, I can only quote a favorite line from the X-Files- “There are no answers for you here, Mr. Mulder.”
James Clarkson is author of TELL MY STORY – June Crain, the Air Force & UFOs. He has lectured extensively on UFOs. He is a retired police sergeant with over 30 years experience as a professional investigator. He is the Washington State Director of EPIC (Extraordinary Phenomena Research Council).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 10:41:59 GMT -6
You have to ask yourself...WHY after all this time is Roswell still so important to warrant the far fetched cover ups and misdirection. If they'd left it alone in the first place, it probably would have just fizzled into the unanswered questions that most UFO tales do. They are the ones keeping this so alive and they had to have known exactly how UFO enthusiasts would evaluate her book..as another stab at a dozing dog. Why keep it alive this way? For whatever reason...Roswell is very important I think.
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Post by Steve on Aug 14, 2011 11:07:35 GMT -6
Exactly Jo. Spent some time talking first hand one on one with Dr. Jessie Marcel Jr. at a past Mufon Symposium. Without going into elaborate detail of what has been discussed by many others countless times....listening to his personal account was good enough for me. All the rest, with their alternate explanations about 'Roswell' (as incredible as the ET crash theory is) is meant to distract.
Jessie, and his father & mother both knew what they were holding in their hands. My special time in conversation with Jessie I hold on tight to in a seemingly unceasing whirlwind of both unintentional and intentional confusion.
Steve
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Post by mdaisy on Aug 14, 2011 11:19:18 GMT -6
Well that's a new twist on the Roswell story. I'm still thinkin' that Roswell is still the best evidence for ET visitation. BTW I am sure you all heard about NASA's announcement that meteors can carry the three ingredients to create life. Can't remember all the ingredients but DNA was the "yeast" to get things going.
daisy
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Post by Steve on Aug 14, 2011 13:17:04 GMT -6
There is a very real condition in psychology called 'reaction-formation'. When it takes place, it is usually assumed that the original, rejected impulse does not vanish, but persists. Note with emphasis - in the mind of the person the thought or idea they reject 'persists'.
'Reaction formation' is a defensive process (defense mechanism) in which anxiety-producing or unacceptable emotions and impulses are mastered by exaggeration (hypertrophy) of the directly opposing tendency.
You can in social situations also call it 'denial'. Some abductees who in coping with their own internal anxiety, may sometimes become 'debunkers' toward others with perhaps similar questions.
When the reaction formation is overused, especially during the formation of the ego, it can become a permanent character trait. This is often seen in those with obsessional character issues.
Social and church leaders who may often publicly campaign against pornography, are themselves persons with deeply rooted behavior issues dealing with reaction formation.
Homophobia can often be a reaction formation.
Another example would be that two people really fond of each other fight all the time to suppress their desire of love for each other. This may also occur when there is a failure of acceptance that the other person is really important to them. To suppress their feelings for that person, they may resort to reaction formation and try to hate or fight with their loved ones to avoid the anxiety of not having them around.
Governments and/or 'the powers that be' are composed of people too, some which may have something obsessive and prevalent in their minds that cannot go away.
Applied to the comments Jo raises.... why so much continuing apparent 'disinformation' about Roswell over the decades - is very revealing about any 'secret keeper'. It might strongly imply they really do have something to hide.
Steve
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