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Post by ufo4peace on May 25, 2012 0:53:30 GMT -6
New Report issues a warning about humanity’s ability to survive without a major change in direction(Rotterdam, the Netherlands): 2052: A Global Forecast for the Next Forty Years, by Jorgen Randers, launched by the Club of Rome on May 7, raises the possibility that humankind might not survive on the planet if it continues on its path of over-consumption and short-termism. In the Report author Jorgen Randers raises essential questions: How many people will the planet be able to support? Will the belief in endless growth crumble? Will runaway climate change take hold? Where will quality of life improve, and where will it decline? Using painstaking research, and drawing on contributions from more than 30 thinkers in the field, he concludes that: While the process of adapting humanity to the planet’s limitations has started, the human response could be too slow. The current dominant global economies, particularly the United States, will stagnate. Brazil, Russia, India, South Africa and ten leading emerging economies (referred to as ‘BRISE’ in the Report) will progress. But there will still be 3 billion poor in 2052. China will be a success story, because of its ability to act. Global population will peak in 2042, because of falling fertility in urban areas Global GDP will grow much slower than expected, because of slower productivity growth in mature economies. CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere will continue to grow and cause +2°C in 2052; temperatures will reach +2.8°C in 2080, which may well trigger self-reinforcing climate change. The Report says the main cause of future problems is the excessively short-term predominant political and economic model. “We need a system of governance that takes a more long-term view”, said Professor Randers, speaking in Rotterdam. “It is unlikely that governments will pass necessary regulation to force the markets to allocate more money into climate friendly solutions, and must not assume that markets will work for the benefit of humankind”. “We already live in a manner that cannot be continued for generations without major change. Humanity has overshot the earth’s resources, and in some cases we will see local collapse before 2052 – we are emitting twice as much greenhouse gas every year as can be absorbed by the world’s forests and oceans.” The launch was organised by the Club of Rome, the international think-tank that focuses on stimulating debate on achieving a sustainable future. The Club is continuing its tradition of supporting work that raises fundamental questions and promotes far-sighted solutions. The launch takes place on the eve of an international meeting of WWF, the international environmental organisation. Published in the run-up to the Rio Summit, this Report to the Club of Rome: 2052: A Global Forecast for the Next Forty Years (published by US publishers Chelsea Green) looks at issues first raised in The Limits to Growth, 40 years ago. This earlier Report, also to the Club of Rome, of which Randers was a co-author, created shock waves by questioning the ideal of permanent growth. Commenting on the findings of 2052, Ian Johnson, Club of Rome Secretary General said: “Professor Randers’ analysis of where the world could be in 40 years has demonstrated that ‘Business as usual’ is not an option if we want our grand-children to live in a sustainable and equitable planet. It took 40 years before the full message of The Limits to Growth was properly understood. We cannot afford any more lost decades.” The launch of 2052: A Global Forecast for the Next Forty Years is part of a broader 18-month campaign by the Club of Rome: 2052: the world in 40 years to stimulate ideas on future options to shape the world in a sustainable way, taking its context from The Limits to Growth Report. The Club of Rome is a global think-tank, composed of individual members and over 30 National Associations. Its mission is to undertake forward-looking analysis and assessment on ways forward to a happier, more resilient and sustainable planet. For more information: www.clubofrome.org
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Post by randy on May 26, 2012 23:17:04 GMT -6
The advanced societies in the world have started to decline in population while the stone age plus one societies are exploding in population. Japan for example does not have enough births to sustain its current population figure. The day the last Japanese dies of old age has been calculated. Much of this is due to economic problems. Children are expensive so advanced cultures cut back on them. Discussions of population rapidly drift into race and politics which are touchy areas. In the US minority women in large cities average 8-10 kids with some up to 24 while white working women in large cities have one kid. Over time there is an obvious problem. Europe and Australia have the same problems in diverse birth rates. the European birth rate is falling while the Sub Shara birth rate is exploding. Food will be an issue and then mass migration will start. Being an older dude I recall as the talk decades ago about limiting population so we did and then the void was filled with immigrants so what good did it do? China is a dictatorship and the idea of surrendering freedom to folks like the UN is not going to fly. DC is filled with corrupt and dumb folk who could not lead people out of a burning barn. In college I had friends who had multiple doctorate degrees so the idea of an elite few running things because they know so much does not impress me. It sounds racist but I question why we are importing 100,000 immigrants per year from Kenya. Please note I have adopted kids who are nonwhite. We can do much more than we are to have a better country but not so we can give it away free. Working as an engineering geologist I saw what can be done by pushing a pipeline across the arctic regardless of weather or terrrain. 70 below weather and high mtns did not matter. Organization and planning count but not at the expense of freedom or losing the American identity.
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Post by randy on May 27, 2012 11:30:57 GMT -6
Groups like the Club of Rome create a problem and then offer to solve it if you give them the world and absolute power. Nice work if you can get it.
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Post by ufo4peace on May 28, 2012 3:33:38 GMT -6
The Report says the main cause of future problems is the excessively short-term predominant political and economic model. “We need a system of governance that takes a more long-term view”, said Professor Randers, speaking in Rotterdam. “It is unlikely that governments will pass necessary regulation to force the markets to allocate more money into climate friendly solutions, and must not assume that markets will work for the benefit of humankind”. “We already live in a manner that cannot be continued for generations without major change. I agree with this statement. This is why ET disclosure is important. We must get away from a system that favors the greedy out of expense of man and the environment.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 10:13:07 GMT -6
There cannot be a 'disclosure' by this government...won't happen because they would have to admit deception. Since they are our elected 'caretakers' it would make them look like incompetent buffoons. Oh wait..they nevermind. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 12:17:21 GMT -6
There cannot be a 'disclosure' by this government...won't happen because they would have to admit deception. Since they are our elected 'caretakers' it would make them look like incompetent buffoons. Oh wait..they nevermind. ;D ~giggle, snort~
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Post by skywalker on May 28, 2012 15:39:23 GMT -6
If these Rome people think the Earth is overpopulated and they think that humanity won't be able to survive, why are they warning people about it? If humanity gets wiped out than that would take care of the overpopulation problem.
I think that the Earth will take care of itself. When the human population gets to the point where it is no longer sustainable there will be some huge war or famine or disease that will lower the population down to a sustainable level and everything will be good again. That's the way it always happens in nature.
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Post by ufo4peace on May 29, 2012 0:13:04 GMT -6
If these Rome people think the Earth is overpopulated and they think that humanity won't be able to survive, why are they warning people about it? If humanity gets wiped out than that would take care of the overpopulation problem. I think that the Earth will take care of itself. When the human population gets to the point where it is no longer sustainable there will be some huge war or famine or disease that will lower the population down to a sustainable level and everything will be good again. That's the way it always happens in nature. Nope, it's now the end game not only for humans but all life on this planet. BBC News: Tuna record Fukushima pollutionThat's just from one nuclear power plant. You see modern culture has been a blessing but it's also a curse. The entire planet could easily be contaminated where you are not only looking at no more humans but a lifeless planet.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 2:18:28 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on May 30, 2012 8:48:23 GMT -6
You see modern culture has been a blessing but it's also a curse. The entire planet could easily be contaminated where you are not only looking at no more humans but a lifeless planet. I doubt that will ever happen. I believe it is possible that humans eventually could (and possibly will) wipe themselves out but whatever disaster they cause won't effect all the life on the planet. Life can evolve to adapt to just about anything. Right now there are life forms that exist in freezing cold, boiling heat, under huge amounts of pressure at the bottom of the ocean. There is life that feeds on oil and sewage. There is probably life somewhere on the planet that thrives on radiation. Life will survive somehow. Just look at all of the natural disasters that have already happened to the planet in the past...ice ages, giant asteroids, heat spells...there have been times when 95% of all life on the planet was wiped out...but it keeps coming back. It evolves to adapt to whatever conditions exist on the planet. That's what it was designed to do. Humans on the other hand definitely will be wiped out sooner or later. It's only a matter of time.
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Post by randy on May 30, 2012 10:21:32 GMT -6
Prior to WWII we had obtained an enigma code machine and were reading some Axis codes. The president was taken out of the information loop as untrustworthy. Most likely Obama is unaware of UFO reality. He is only a politician and passing through washington to be replaced by yet another of similar ilk. The presence of aliens is most likely a tightly held knowledge by only a select group of military and inteligence leaders in our govt. There will never be a public disclosure on UFOs that will tell the truth because to do so gives inteligence to the aliens as to what we know and dont know. Keeping shut on aliens keeps the aliens guessing as to what we know Forrestal is rumored to have killed himself over the knowledge of aliens Such things are bad for the public moral and are best avoided in the secret war going on. I use the term war in its full meaning. The military has to see aliens as a threat it is their job to do so to protect the country and humanity as a whole. Civilians can stand on top to tall buildings with signs welcoming aliens but the military has to sit in bunkers with red phones ready to go on signal. That is why they exist. If the planet is the prize in the power game of aliens vs humans then the ability to kill the planet is a trump card not easily thrown away. That final threat may be holding the greys at a distance yet The real intent of the greys is at best seen through a glass darkly so we must as prudent people regard the greys as a threat until proven otherwise. To date they have not provided humanity with any benefits such as new power sources or a cure for cancer. That is its self says something
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 15:34:24 GMT -6
Perhaps that they don't need cancer drugs?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 16:10:26 GMT -6
Prior to WWII we had obtained an enigma code machine and were reading some Axis codes. The president was taken out of the information loop as untrustworthy. Most likely Obama is unaware of UFO reality. He is only a politician and passing through washington to be replaced by yet another of similar ilk. The presence of aliens is most likely a tightly held knowledge by only a select group of military and inteligence leaders in our govt. There will never be a public disclosure on UFOs that will tell the truth because to do so gives inteligence to the aliens as to what we know and dont know. Keeping shut on aliens keeps the aliens guessing as to what we know Forrestal is rumored to have killed himself over the knowledge of aliens Such things are bad for the public moral and are best avoided in the secret war going on. I use the term war in its full meaning. The military has to see aliens as a threat it is their job to do so to protect the country and humanity as a whole. Civilians can stand on top to tall buildings with signs welcoming aliens but the military has to sit in bunkers with red phones ready to go on signal. That is why they exist. If the planet is the prize in the power game of aliens vs humans then the ability to kill the planet is a trump card not easily thrown away. That final threat may be holding the greys at a distance yet The real intent of the greys is at best seen through a glass darkly so we must as prudent people regard the greys as a threat until proven otherwise. To date they have not provided humanity with any benefits such as new power sources or a cure for cancer. That is its self says something I can't honestly call "them" a threat but at the same time I dont trust em either. If they wanted me dead they would have taken me out about 12 years ago, but they didn't. For all I know they could've been helping me in a way I don't understand. I wished I knew. I don't want them coming back any time soon though unless it's absolutely necessary for some odd reason,,I want to be left alone and Im most certain they know that. In the bible it says Jesus made himself lower than the angels when He came down as a man. Though I do not question God or worship angels, it makes me wonder who or what these angels are. Until I know more about these gray beings, I will not consider them as such. I feel they are an e.t. entity observing man with at least one or more agenda's .
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Post by ufo4peace on May 30, 2012 21:29:14 GMT -6
You see modern culture has been a blessing but it's also a curse. The entire planet could easily be contaminated where you are not only looking at no more humans but a lifeless planet. I doubt that will ever happen. I believe it is possible that humans eventually could (and possibly will) wipe themselves out but whatever disaster they cause won't effect all the life on the planet. Life can evolve to adapt to just about anything. Right now there are life forms that exist in freezing cold, boiling heat, under huge amounts of pressure at the bottom of the ocean. There is life that feeds on oil and sewage. There is probably life somewhere on the planet that thrives on radiation. Life will survive somehow. Just look at all of the natural disasters that have already happened to the planet in the past...ice ages, giant asteroids, heat spells...there have been times when 95% of all life on the planet was wiped out...but it keeps coming back. It evolves to adapt to whatever conditions exist on the planet. That's what it was designed to do. Humans on the other hand definitely will be wiped out sooner or later. It's only a matter of time. Natural disasters and even asteroid strikes have happened in the past but the Earth didn't have nuclear waster, nuclear power plants, offshore oil rigs, chemical refinery etc..etc... You're looking at a toxic soup bowl or cesspool. Maybe you'd have a form of mutated life but it woudn't be a pretty picture. I guess the only thing neo-conservatives can say is Jesus will return and save us all wich is a bunch of delusional crock. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 7:07:25 GMT -6
There cannot be a 'disclosure' by this government...won't happen because they would have to admit deception. I don't think that some people have any problem pointing out the problems in our past, done by other men. What's the hold up here? ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 7:20:05 GMT -6
There will never be a public disclosure on UFOs that will tell the truth because to do so gives inteligence to the aliens as to what we know and dont know. Keeping shut on aliens keeps the aliens guessing as to what we know. . . .in the secret war going on. I use the term war in its full meaning. The military has to see aliens as a threat it is their job to do so to protect the country and humanity as a whole. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=2404&page=1#ixzz1wS71OrI0I believe this. Which also throws doubt on aliens being telepathic for more than a certain amount of distance from their intended target. I'm just hoping that something is always in the works about recognizing that E.T. is posing as your friendly coworker.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 8:42:13 GMT -6
I guess the only thing neo-conservatives can say is Jesus will return and save us all wich is a bunch of delusional crock |
Considering what we DON'T know about the universe we live in..it might be better to sit on the fence a bit more when it comes to the spiritual. The earth is in bad shape..only an idiot can't see that...but from any given moment change is possible and even inevitable. I'm sure the man this morning who woke up and started off to work to find himself the terminal victim of a car accident didn't figure his future was about to change either and I doubt he is particularly concerned with the effects of nuclear waste but I guarantee you...he knows answers we wish we did.
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Post by ufo4peace on May 31, 2012 21:52:41 GMT -6
There will never be a public disclosure on UFOs that will tell the truth because to do so gives inteligence to the aliens as to what we know and dont know. Keeping shut on aliens keeps the aliens guessing as to what we know. . . .in the secret war going on. I use the term war in its full meaning. The military has to see aliens as a threat it is their job to do so to protect the country and humanity as a whole. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=2404&page=1#ixzz1wS71OrI0I believe this. Which also throws doubt on aliens being telepathic for more than a certain amount of distance from their intended target. I'm just hoping that something is always in the works about recognizing that E.T. is posing as your friendly coworker. I don't buy into the Indepence Day scenario because I doubt we are hiding any real secrets from advanced alien beings or coming up with a viable defense. Also our own backwards government has shown it cant be trusted. WMD's in Iraq was a lie. National security has become more about resource grab and justifying out of control defense spending with conflict then protecting us from any real foreign threat.
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Post by ufo4peace on May 31, 2012 22:17:25 GMT -6
I guess the only thing neo-conservatives can say is Jesus will return and save us all wich is a bunch of delusional crock |
Considering what we DON'T know about the universe we live in..it might be better to sit on the fence a bit more when it comes to the spiritual. The earth is in bad shape..only an idiot can't see that...but from any given moment change is possible and even inevitable. I'm sure the man this morning who woke up and started off to work to find himself the terminal victim of a car accident didn't figure his future was about to change either and I doubt he is particularly concerned with the effects of nuclear waste but I guarantee you...he knows answers we wish we did. Relgions have come and gone and Christianity is no exception and neither is extinction.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 22:18:11 GMT -6
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Post by ufo4peace on May 31, 2012 22:40:53 GMT -6
Disagree, if we don't change we will go extinct sooner than later. Sometimes it's good to worry if things are not going right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 9:23:10 GMT -6
We can make personal changes..we can TRY to elect the officials that might get the job done...WE can all go green and do our personal best. We can picket nuke plants. can join the Sierra Club or Green Peace and chase whale killers..BUT...you cannot make your neighbor do a *darn* thing or his or his. Scientists have been trying to educate people for years and what do they say? There IS no global warming..there IS no hole in the ozone..we need nuclear energy to survive..we need those plastic containers to carry around our bottled water in. Don't say it's a lack of education. For every individual who cares there are 50 who say everyone is over reacting or lying. They can't even figure out how to capture and destroy the trash piles growing in the ocean or figure out why flocks of birds and schools of fish are dying. Nope aliens are not going to bounce down here and save our butts..we're probably the universal poster children on how NOT to evolve. Haven't you noticed..the way humanity seems to function? Live your life like nothing is happening around you and at the last moment when the walls are caving in..fight like a banshee. Sort of an Armageddon approach to things (the movie I mean). What have YOU done to save the planet lately?? Other than belabor the point in forums?
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 2, 2012 2:02:03 GMT -6
We can make personal changes..we can TRY to elect the officials that might get the job done...WE can all go green and do our personal best. We can picket nuke plants. can join the Sierra Club or Green Peace and chase whale killers..BUT...you cannot make your neighbor do a *darn* thing or his or his. Scientists have been trying to educate people for years and what do they say? There IS no global warming..there IS no hole in the ozone..we need nuclear energy to survive..we need those plastic containers to carry around our bottled water in. Don't say it's a lack of education. For every individual who cares there are 50 who say everyone is over reacting or lying. They can't even figure out how to capture and destroy the trash piles growing in the ocean or figure out why flocks of birds and schools of fish are dying. Nope aliens are not going to bounce down here and save our butts..we're probably the universal poster children on how NOT to evolve. Haven't you noticed..the way humanity seems to function? Live your life like nothing is happening around you and at the last moment when the walls are caving in..fight like a banshee. Sort of an Armageddon approach to things (the movie I mean). What have YOU done to save the planet lately?? Other than belabor the point in forums? The truth is we don't need nuclear energy to survive just like we don't need oil but there is a cover-up that demands we do.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 2, 2012 20:12:49 GMT -6
Natural disasters and even asteroid strikes have happened in the past but the Earth didn't have nuclear waster, nuclear power plants, offshore oil rigs, chemical refinery etc..etc... You're looking at a toxic soup bowl or cesspool. Maybe you'd have a form of mutated life but it woudn't be a pretty picture. The earth has had nuclear radiation on it for a long time. Where do you think uranium comes from? All of the radioactive materials that we use come out of the ground, we just concentrate them to make them more powerful. The same can be said for oil which is a natural product of the earth. Before people started drilling and pumping it oil was seeping up out of the ground and forming pools and ponds of it. Oil is even today seeping up out of the ocean floor from natural cracks in the rock. It always has been and it always will be. Once again, all we do is refine it and concentrate it but it is still basically the same stuff. All the chemicals we use also come from the earth. Volcanoes blast out poisenous gases and acids every time they erupt so there are always noxious chemicals floating around somewhere. None of these things have caused life to go extinct and it's not going to any time in the near future because life evolves to adapt to changing conditions. Even if we tried to cause all life to go extinct we couldn't do it because some of it would survive, and that which survived would be stronger and more immune to our attempts to wipe it out. Look how long people have been trying to exterminate rats and cockroaches. there are probably more of them now than they ever have been because they are able to adapt to whatever we do. That is what other life on the planet would do as well. It would adapt and become stronger. True some species would die out but others would evolve to take their place and the planet would continue to flourish. It may not be the type of life we would enjoy having around but that would be our problem for destroying all of the good things. Like I said before...we do not have the capability of destroying this planet. We can only destroy ourselves, and after we are extinct life will continue to populate the planet and act like we were never even here. After a few thousand or million of years humans will not even be a footnote in the planet's history. As far as people going extinct is concerned, I'm not worried about it. If humans are stupid enough to drive themselves to extinction than the planet would probably be better off without them. Why try to save a species of stupid people if they are just going to screw everything up?
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 2, 2012 21:41:53 GMT -6
Not true, what we have created is a lot more lethal then what you see produced natually in nature. What you will have is a tipping point. A break down in the ecosystem.
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Post by randy on Jun 3, 2012 0:25:11 GMT -6
goes back to when I was a kid sitting on the hillside looking at Novato Calif in the 1950s and thinking it was a long dead ancient civilization that had died out like the plains indians culture. It did not exist in current time. I was recording what I saw and heard for an anthropologist in the hill.That was what I was thinking. I have worked on off shore drill platforms and the whole gulf oil spill makes no sense to me. I would rather think that Spaznatz were involved since about that time Brazil was looking around for some one to handle their huge oil deposites off shore. Spaznatz are Russian special forces. one simple bomb could have created the whole mess just at the right time to throw the Brazil drilling to the forces of evil in the world,. Alot of money and power was at stake. Man kind has tremendous potential with the whole universe is waiting for us and we snivel around in the mud afraid and timid. The future should be grabbed with both hands and faced with shinning teeth. Fear nothing and conqueor.
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