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Post by god on Jun 28, 2011 21:09:33 GMT -6
Jo wrote: "I don't think it's a double standard Lorelei. Animals aren't given our thought processes or intelligence or sense of right and wrong." That's what I said . At least, that is what I was trying to say. I answered my own question you see. God instilled in us a sense of right and wrong... and that is why we are here. We know better... or... at least we should... Unfortunately though, some of us give in to our animal instincts which we also possess... but there are not nearly as many of these horrific cases of cannibalism you and God both seem to be coming up with with us humans. Animals do it far more often. And there is a reason for that as you stated. We are animals too though, and that is why some people do these things... I remember one story I read about a young woman who put her newborn baby in a microwave because its crying was annoying her. She put it in the microwave for half an hour and went off back to bed. That story made me so sick. I was upset for days over that one. She claimed she didn't remember doing it the next morning. Everything on this planet is savage. Everything. It's a dog eat dog world. That is the way it always has been, and that is the way it always will be. Survival competition is not an easy game to play. Man and beast alike get hurt in the process... but Man knows better thanks to God. If God wanted a perfect place where everyone got along and nobody did anything wrong, he would have made this place that way IMO. He didn't. Obviously. Why? Only He knows for sure. All we can do is speculate and pretend we understand His will. In my humble opinion, we are not, and never were meant to understand why things are the way they are. Nobody on this Earth can pretend to know. Welcome to the jungle. Jo responded fairly accurately your concerns about the animal kingdom. Just keep in mind that the essence of humankind, and what separates you from your dog, is exactly what you are doing on this forum. You choose to be self-conscious. You choose to question and debate, you choose to believe or not to believe, you choose to doubt and you choose to accept or not to accept what I tell you…like the following: permanent happiness is not a flower of this world, peace of mind is. And again, you can choose to follow that path or you can choose to pursue a dream and most likely be disappointed. And if you want to know why permanent happiness is not meant for this world, it is as simple as that pure oxygen would kill you, but mildly polluted air won’t GOD
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Post by god on Jun 28, 2011 21:18:03 GMT -6
You are not wrong. That "civilization" you are so afraid of, the one that could cause so much damage so casually, as you say, is on this planet...It has been on this planet for thousands of years and it's called "humanity" or "human race" better, as humanity has generally a positive connotation. The behavior you mention is common practice in dictatorships all around the world and loosely used by “non-dictatorial” - some called this democracy - governments’ agencies that have been taught, as part of their training programs, that any torture practice is valid as long as “intelligence” or “scientific knowledge” is obtained in the process. The age of the victim is not an issue for this “trained personnel”. No race on this planet has less disregard for their own than the human race. Your answer Jo is most probably not out there, but much closer. I do agree with some of what was said here. People do horrible things to one another. People sometimes seem to be experts on coming up with horrible things to do to one another. It is not all people that are doing it though. There is a very small minority of the population that causes the vast majority of the problems. There are also a lot of good people who go out of their way to help others, even to the point of jeopardizing or even sacrificing their own lives. As long as there are good people there is still hope for humanity. As for what it is that is going around abducting people, I agree that some of these abductions are committed by humans, whether it be the military or somebody else. I also think some of them are being committed by nonhuman beings. What these things are and where they come from I do not know, but I think that comparing them to the dictators of the world is a bit of a stretch. No alien beings have done the same amount of damage that Stalin or Hitler did. If they were that evil we would no longer be here. I tend to think of them as something similar to scientists conducting "experiments" or whatever it is they are doing on what they consider to be a lesser species (us). They treat us the same way that we treat other animals. No better, no worse. Does that make them better or worse than humans? I would say it makes us about equal. Of course there is hope. If there wasn’t any, what’s the point? Hope has given origin to civilizations and empires. The greatest creations on this world are the fruit of hope. And as for the abductions committed by nonhuman beings, please define “nonhuman beings”. GOD
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Post by skywalker on Jun 28, 2011 22:08:28 GMT -6
Alien, extraterrestrial, interdimensional...whatever the things are that are abducting people. I usually just refer to them as alien but I was trying to be politically correct by using the term nonhuman entities or beings. If it sounded confusing its probably because I haven't had any sleep the past few days and my brain is barely functioning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 23:45:34 GMT -6
God..you've made some really good points and I thank you. I've been in an off mood and that's fairly rare for me. I think you gave me back some perspective. In this place..it's easy to grab things off the net and post them and never offer an opinion or a glimpse of who's behind the post. I'm more interested in the human equation as it reacts to all of the things we're exposed to..I love the opinions not the skill needed to 'cut and paste'. I enjoy Lorelei and Sky and Steve specifically for those reasons ..they are SO opinionated and yet they set aside room in their belief..for everyone else's..how cool is that? You added some nice fresh input. Thanks
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Post by god on Jun 29, 2011 7:36:42 GMT -6
God..you've made some really good points and I thank you. I've been in an off mood and that's fairly rare for me. I think you gave me back some perspective. Isn't it what God is supposed to be all about? give you perspective, any perspective, of life...you are welcome GOD
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Post by god on Jun 29, 2011 8:34:17 GMT -6
Alien, extraterrestrial, interdimensional...whatever the things are that are abducting people. I usually just refer to them as alien but I was trying to be politically correct by using the term nonhuman entities or beings. If it sounded confusing its probably because I haven't had any sleep the past few days and my brain is barely functioning. “Definition of ALIEN 1 a : belonging or relating to another person, place, or thing : strange b : relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government : foreign c : exotic 1 2 : differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibility Definition of interdimensional “The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above” Definition of EXTRATERRESTRIAL 1: originating, existing, or occurring outside the earth or its atmosphere First Known Use of EXTRATERRESTRIAL 1848” Since earthling languages are not really my “thing”, I had to recur to the Webster English Dictionary to understand better what your message is. Nonetheless, I still need to clarify a few things, from my perspective; I assume that you imply that whatever is that’s “abducting” people is just plain strange and I guess I have to agree with you on that. However, what’s stranger to me –but don’t mind me, who am I to question people anyways – is that some people not directly affected by the “phenomena” fall into a spiral of depression and concern about a subject that has yet to be proven to, first, exist and second, if actually existed, that may have numerous other more rational (less strange) explanations. PS. Just for your peace of mind, I am not mocking you or trying to diminish the relevance of a subject that seems important to some people, but it is my suggestion not to take certain aspects of life too seriously as life as such, besides being a very short brush of “presence’ on this blue marble, is already challenging enough to place additional burden on your shoulders. GOD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 10:22:30 GMT -6
is that some people not directly affected by the “phenomena” fall into a spiral of depression and concern about a subject that has yet to be proven to, first, exist and second, if actually existed, that may have numerous other more rational (less strange) explanations. |
This is something I absolutely agree with. I have been abducted..Skywalker has been..others here have been..and it is in no way possible to actually say what did it..who did it or why they did it. I have never said..space aliens came down and abducted my friend and I one fine summer day...because I don't know they were space 'aliens' (and I'm not fond of that word anyway). Let it be said that beings abducted us and their actions were very alien to our normal way of thinking. Supposedly the beings that hijacked Betty and Barney Hill showed them a star map..I think that 'piece of evidence' and Orson Wells telling everyone it was a Martian invasion..made all abductions 'interstellar'. But people do not want to think in other terms. I get more resistance when I try to explain we have no way of knowing they come from space than from the abduction itself. Naturally the movies have helped the idea along. Other ideas.. inter-dimensional or something in the oceans or earth we just haven't found yet..go over like rock. 'It's gotta be dem space aliens'. Because..it's the easiest explanation to understand, I suppose. It's easier..to figure hundreds of types of aliens..have found ways to combat the problems of space and managed to find planet earth like it's in a guide book. 'Dude..go visit the big blue marble..abduct a few..run some tests..mutilate a few cows..have yourself a vacation'. I understand..the people who have had experiences..suffered abductions. I understand them being very afraid..if you encounter something relatively hostile (kidnapping is hostile) then you come away with some fears..residual nightmares or panic. But for those people who have never seen one or had any experience with..not only are they taking the world of the 'experiencer's' they are forming conclusions and in some cases..either panicking or praying they have their own encounter. Based on what? Their better abilities to negotiate? To be the one who welcomes them? These are not things I understand. I tell anyone who will sit still long enough to listen (I'm old enough now that it can't hurt my lifestyle) that I was terrified, humiliated, stripped naked at age 15..poked and prodded and vials of God only knows what.. siphoned from my horrified self. I was captured..held down, had pain inflicted and then...had to deal with the smell, the feel, the looks, seeing my best friend in the world screaming hysterically, and know the lack of any compassion. I don't even discuss the worst residual effects. I tell people this and they want to call them to see for themselves. Nope..I do not understand it..who buys into horror? I hope I'm wrong and there are good guy aliens controlling the bad guy aliens..but honestly doesn't that sound a little more alien than the 'aliens?'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 15:32:12 GMT -6
God,
Thank you for your wise words on this subject matter. This is what I did for many many years. I ignored it. I moved on. I didn't worry about it.
Now, however, I want answers, and that is why I am here. I want to know why my TV turned itself on one night and displayed weird symbols across from it. I want to know why I saw a giant triangular formation of white lights glide over the highway (completely silently too I might add). I want to know why I remember what happened when I was 8 when I don't remember any other nightmares I had during that time of my life.
Ignoring these experiences and saying, "Oh, it's my imagination..." or "Oh, it was a bad dream," just isn't enough anymore. There is more to it than that.
And Jo, you're right. An experience with God (I've had a few throughout my "young" (that's what everybody calls me) life thus far) is extremely different. God does not invoke fear.
Well... God did invoke fear in me one time... I was lying in bed one night and asked God a question, I don't remember what it was, and I felt his attention on me and it scared the poop out of me (almost literally). He didn't answer me that time, but he was "looking" at me, I know he was. I felt His power, and it made me extremely nervous... and it humbled me as well. He responded to that feeling (curling up into the fetal position saying "Oh no what have I done wrong?") with love.
Maybe God was having a bad day. Or... maybe he was mad at me for something I had done... or maybe he was mad at somebody else... ~shrug~
Very different feeling than lying paralyzed on the sofa. Starkly different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 18:00:32 GMT -6
I had an experience like that Lorelei..when I had his 'regard' totally. I was 5 or 6 maybe..and sobbing my heart out because my parents were about to get a divorce and I begged God not to let that happen. I felt something like warm breath on my cheek and I knew he was crying..I felt his hurt and it actually soothed me. He knew what I wasn't mature enough to know..if they had stayed together they would have killed one another or me by accident (they liked to throw things). I've never hesitated to tell him anything since and I feel so lucky..to have known that. Amazing what we learn if we just shut up sometimes and listen ;D
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Post by skywalker on Jun 29, 2011 20:13:22 GMT -6
I assume that you imply that whatever is that’s “abducting” people is just plain strange and I guess I have to agree with you on that. Exactly, god-dude. That's why I like to call them aliens. I don't know what they are or where they come from but whatever it is is definitely "alien" to our way of thinking. I also agree that some cases of "abduction" do have very earthly explanations. Sleep paralysis, hallucinations, dreams, wishful thinking, psychological trauma, human abductions, secret government testing...These are all possible and probable explanations for some reported "abductions." I am sure that there are a lot of others as well. There may be explanations that we have not even dreamed of considering yet. Each case needs to be looked at on an individual basis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 0:55:06 GMT -6
Skywalker wrote: "There are also a lot of good people who go out of their way to help others, even to the point of jeopardizing or even sacrificing their own lives. As long as there are good people there is still hope for humanity."
I remember when I was 19 I had run away from home and was staying in the local women's shelter. I was visiting my friend (Whom I was hopelessly in love with) was very upset because this was the second time I had gone to the women's shelter. He was baby-sitting his live-in-girlfriend's eight year old son so she could go out to the bars to sell drugs.
Evidently she was also selling her body which he didn't figure out until later although I tried to tell him that... because my tarot cards told me that...
Anyway... ~sigh~
After I had calmed down, I walked back to the shelter. It was pouring rain outside. Simply pouring. He didn't go with me because he had to stay in the house with the kid who had gone to bed... (after of course he curled up into my lap crying and saying his mommy said she didn't love him and that he was an accident... ~sigh~ ... the life of a child of a drug dealer/whore... caught him trying to pick my pocket after that emotional outburst of his... ~rolls eyes~)
Anyway... I was walking back to the women's shelter in the pouring rain... and a man in a truck stopped and asked me if I wanted a ride. I said, "Sure! Thank you so much!"
He told me his sad story. His roommate had locked him out of his apartment and he had to drive around for two more hours until his roommate came back home from work so he could yell at him... lol... very nice guy...
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Post by god on Jun 30, 2011 7:44:55 GMT -6
I assume that you imply that whatever is that’s “abducting” people is just plain strange and I guess I have to agree with you on that. Exactly, god-dude. That's why I like to call them aliens. I don't know what they are or where they come from but whatever it is is definitely "alien" to our way of thinking. I also agree that some cases of "abduction" do have very earthly explanations. Sleep paralysis, hallucinations, dreams, wishful thinking, psychological trauma, human abductions, secret government testing...These are all possible and probable explanations for some reported "abductions." I am sure that there are a lot of others as well. There may be explanations that we have not even dreamed of considering yet. Each case needs to be looked at on an individual basis. Great, now that you have agreed with everything that I have said, you are allowed to enter "heaven". Next time you are around, just step in and talk to the door guy, I think his name is Peter.. GOD
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Post by god on Jun 30, 2011 8:00:39 GMT -6
God, Thank you for your wise words on this subject matter. This is what I did for many many years. I ignored it. I moved on. I didn't worry about it. Now, however, I want answers, and that is why I am here. . You can always ask questions and many times you will get answers - maybe not always the ones you were expecting to get - but don't "worry" too much about them and keep an open mind for possible surprises. Just learn from these surprises and take it easy . Go around life with humor and expect even more surprises (...you now, people don't always understand humor... as they don't always understand GOD). GOD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 8:49:17 GMT -6
Oh wow..a free pass to heaven. YAY
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Post by paulette on Jun 30, 2011 9:19:58 GMT -6
"Male lions eat the cubs of other male lions in African because they are not their own. I don't think human males eat the children of other males... at least I have never heard about such a thing taking place..."
Well...they MAY eat them. But mostly they kill them. The females then come into heat and the male can replace the cubs with his own offspring. And if he is lucky, he may live long enough that they grow to be adults and his task (to replicate his own dna) is complete. Otherwise he is spending his life energies protecting someone else's cubs/dna.
If you think this is just for lions or sociopathic killers who eat people - think again. Stepfathers are 40% more likely to sexually assault step-children versus their own. And that's court stats. Stepfathers often attempt to drive another's children away - emotionally or physically. I'm not saying they realize what they are doing - but they do not have the bottom line blood loyalty to seeing a child or teen through difficult times. I don't know how many times (too many) I have heard a stepfather say, "If he doesn't like it under my roof, he can leave."
Here's a wild theory. If various aliens have interjected various dna into our dna profile then we may be visited by those who are our relatives and also those who are not. Those who are may act differently than those who are checking on, say, the spread of another individual's or even species dna. This might account for the wide variation in how people remember being treated. If aliens are in some ways reptilian - they might not have any offspring loyalty at all, versus say, something more mammalian that nurtured offspring in its body.
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Post by god on Jun 30, 2011 9:43:39 GMT -6
Oh wow..a free pass to heaven. YAY Sorry Jo, I don't think you would like it... www.heavenpub.net/... and I do think the name of the door guy is Peter ( I've been told...) ... and I never said it would be free. GOD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 14:49:19 GMT -6
Oh wow..a free pass to heaven. YAY Sorry Jo, I don't think you would like it... www.heavenpub.net/... and I do think the name of the door guy is Peter ( I've been told...) ... and I never said it would be free. GOD ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 17:03:45 GMT -6
Oh..I don't know biker night sounds particularly interesting ;D
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