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Post by auntym on Jul 22, 2011 11:50:06 GMT -6
thanks ron.... Carol Rosin full speech IUFOC 2011 (International Space Treaty) 2012 Prepare for the Alien Invasion? First Contact?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 22:41:38 GMT -6
I find a lot of fault with movements to 'weaponize' space. For one thing..we can't be trusted not to use it on our more local enemies. I'd worry about it if I were them. For another..we do not know that anyone would show up with violence and the idea of weapons pointed at them could start some far reaching diplomatic incidents...that might terminate with our termination.
If 'they' (assuming for the moment that they come from billions of light years away..and they travel space and have figured out drives to do it with and how to avoid the nasty effects of space travel) here we are thinking we're all that and we can create weapons to blow em away. Not that there aren't weapons up there already..who'd know if there were?
If we are EVER going to play with grown ups..we need to stop thinking in militant terms..before they show us how very backward we really are. I understand people thinking it's their job to save the planet..but if you believe that beings from other worlds are coming to Earth..then you must believe they are very advanced and most likely don't share that much in common with us..no matter how much we want to believe we are equal ..we haven't made it out of the solar system..we haven't made it manned past the moon. Do we really want to raise a gun to that? IMO
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Post by skywalker on Jul 22, 2011 23:38:00 GMT -6
With the advanced technology they would need to get here I'm sure their weapons would be way ahead of ours...it would be kind of like comparing a stealth bomber to a boomerang. And what is to gaurantee that they wouldn't use our own weapons against us? That's all we need is to have our own nukes launching at us from our own satellites. Humans (especially those controlling the government) need to stop being so aggressive. The old policy of shoot first and ask questions later might work here in Texas and the old west, but you don't want to shoot at something that is only going to get POd about being shot at. Picking a fight with something a heck of a lot more powerful than us is a good way of getting us killed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 2:41:22 GMT -6
With the advanced technology they would need to get here I'm sure their weapons would be way ahead of ours...it would be kind of like comparing a stealth bomber to a boomerang. And what is to gaurantee that they wouldn't use our own weapons against us? That's all we need is to have our own nukes launching at us from our own satellites. Humans (especially those controlling the government) need to stop being so aggressive. The old policy of shoot first and ask questions later might work here in Texas and the old west, but you don't want to shoot at something that is only going to get POd about being shot at. Picking a fight with something a heck of a lot more powerful than us is a good way of getting us killed. I agree with both you and Jo...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 9:37:25 GMT -6
~nods~ I agree with us too. Sticking weapons in space would only end up defining how others perceive us. We need to play with brain instead of brawn before we end up shooting ourselves in da foot.
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Post by auntym on Jul 23, 2011 10:17:50 GMT -6
its nice to see we are all in agreement with dr. rosin.... ;D
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 9, 2012 20:14:58 GMT -6
The first video has been removed. In the second one do you notice that she says he told her that th emission is to control Earth from space and space itself? Haarp anyone? I recently read a full write up by some environmentalists or someone that argued the point that haarps facility is affecting the planet too greatly . The first time I have ever read an official report targeting what Haarp does, and how it is causing weather and earthquakes that are abnormal for our planet to experience. Also lending credence or at least suspicion that perhaps this isn't just a natural change our planet and we are experiencing but also manipulations or forced changes. I guess this plays into the thread I started quite nicely with getting everyone's opinion on all this awakening business...
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Post by Steve on Apr 9, 2012 21:12:39 GMT -6
Saw the second video. I most certainly agree space should never be 'weaponized' unless there is a clear and present danger we would really need to - for all that that might be worth. Probably not.
But Dr. Rosen and Dr. Greer's reasons why it should not not be is total insanity!
The image Rosen projects too with that hair of hers doesn't help her cause either. It projects an image of her as a total wacko, like just about all 'exo-politics' issues. Over-ripe rhetoric based on over ripe-conclusions.
These are just new re-manufactured 'flying saucer cults'. All those 'space brothers' being prevented by corporations from giving all of us the 'free -energy' to our environmentally challenged planet needs to save us all. They are just much more sophisticated politicizing now. If pushing these issues in the halls of Washington - they are political tar babies - no on will touch them.
If UfOlogy is to ever gain any credibility with the public about UFOs, people should not walk, but run as fast as they can away from these Dr. Greers and the Dr. Rosens.
Steve
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Post by auntym on Apr 9, 2012 21:28:24 GMT -6
here is another copy of the first video that was erased on youtube....
Carol Rosin Full Speech IUFOC 2011 (International Space Treaty)
Uploaded by Tlustei on Nov 24, 2011
One of the Disclosure Project witnesses Carol Rosin was the last assistant to Wernher von Braun - the leading scientist of the Nazi and later US space program and the developer of V1 and V2 rockets. She talks about him, the US secret space program, back engineered ET technology and more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2012 21:30:53 GMT -6
Oh I dunno about her hair Steve. My hair looks like that most of the time, especially if it's humid... that's because it's naturally curly and only behaves when it wants to... Thank God for hair ties... ;D
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Post by Steve on Apr 9, 2012 21:34:18 GMT -6
Oh I dunno about her hair Steve. My hair looks like that most of the time, especially if it's humid... that's because it's naturally curly and only behaves when it wants to... Thank God for hair ties... ;D The hair is a minor point, but it doesn't help her in any image she maybe trying to project. Steve
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Post by auntym on Apr 9, 2012 21:34:44 GMT -6
didn't EINSTEIN's hair have a natural tendency to stand straight up ... or am i thinking of someone else...?
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Post by Steve on Apr 9, 2012 21:42:52 GMT -6
didn't EINSTEIN's hair have a natural tendency to stand straight up ... or am i thinking of someone else...? Those hair styles (even Einstein's) are less to do with intelligence, and much more with their vanity. Rosen is relying on those subliminal messages with that hair (for one) hoping you will make that association. She reminds me of some kind of weird 'New Age' televangelist. She gives me the creeps too. ;D Steve
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 9, 2012 23:23:58 GMT -6
I don't want to cause a rift , and I don't really know what to make of Dr. Rosen's claims, except that she believes them. However, I have to address a few things... I have not seen any of these so called new age televangelists you speak of Steve, and frankly you sound a bit closed minded to anything different from your perspective. I don't think we should totally discount anything...especially on one's appearance. I don't agree with what Greer has to say, he has went a bit deep for my taste but he still may have knowledge that you or I could learn from. And I don't think it fair to say that ufology will never be taken seriously with ppl. who wear their hair like she does. Perhaps she is one of those ppl. who don't care so much for vanity and instead wants to just present the facts as she knows them...nothing wrong with that in my book. I think vanity is over rated. We aren't supposed to judge a book by it's cover, what if someone didn't take you seriously because of the way you look? Is that giving you a fair chance at saying your piece? And subliminal messages...come on man, I know you to be more intelligent than that. As for her being seen by you as a new ager; 1) I don't see that at all and wonder what it is that makes you say this...2) in my opinion at least new ager's want real world peace and hope for all of humanity, more than I can say for others, and your statement of them makes me wonder how open minded you are or how free thinking you are about the ways of our country. Afterall, it was founded for all to have freedom of religion right? So I won't knock them anymore than I'd knock any other religion or spiritual point of view. Perhaps someone could say that 'this' is what's wrong with our country or the world now, that we can't all be free only the ones that think they have it right can. It's their choice of faith or spiritualism and it isn't my place to judge who's right or wrong, simply to find my own way on this path we call life. (and no Steve, I am not a new ager, I am merely saying that we should end this prejudice thought process for anything new or unfamiliar.) Afterall, we study ufology...not exactly the norm of things to be involved in. You know this first hand. But then again that area seems to be exceptable to you...at least now right. How would you feel if everyone in the field suddenly discredited you for claiming to channel an alien? Would that be fair to your hard work and ernest efforts that have been put forth thus far? Wouldn't it be perceived as an injustice to your validity of what works you haver done and are still doing for them to say you have went off the deep end in their view? It's just a shame Steve, I would've thought you to be more open minded now with your recent events and experiences, unless it was all made up for your famous impending book deal Just my two cents. Peace.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 9, 2012 23:25:28 GMT -6
Aunty M, thank you for posting a new video
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Post by Steve on Apr 10, 2012 0:37:59 GMT -6
Hi CK, You couldn't have seen any 'new age' televangelists. I just invented the term! I didn't ever write UFOlogy will never be taken seriously. I hope someday it will! It won't be if it is associated with a Greer or a Rosen. Open minded and seeing clearly. Steve
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Post by auntym on Apr 10, 2012 1:16:33 GMT -6
i'm surprised at you too steve.... that's another way of spreading disinformation ... pointing a finger to make people see the ridiculous instead of listening to the message...
ii think because of who she use to work closely with... WERNHER VON BRAUN.... and who she's invited to stand in front of & give speeches to now... she might know a thing or two.... and definitely worth listening to... whether you buy it or not....
i'm not a fan of her hair style either... but, thats not what i'm focused on when i listen to her....
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 10, 2012 1:33:49 GMT -6
Steve said "The image Rosen projects too with that hair of hers doesn't help her cause either. It projects an image of her as a total wacko, like just about all 'exo-politics' issues. Over-ripe rhetoric based on over ripe-conclusions." and "If UfOlogy is to ever gain any credibility with the public about UFOs, people should not walk, but run as fast as they can away from these Dr. Greers and the Dr. Rosens."
Should ufology say the same for you and your newly channelled friend the ET? What is his name again???
No, of course not, because that isn't fair or right, is it? You are an asset to the community? Just as Dr. Rosen is and even yes Mr. Greer with his "far fetched new age approach" as of late. He still has put a lot of time , energy, and good info out there for us to enjoy and learn from. Who knows, maybe he's become enlightened! It sounds like as long as you agree with it, it's good for ufology but if it isn't within your radar it's kookie and weird and gives ufology a hand in having a bad name. Interesting.
And yet, you still refuse to see the ere of your ways.....(shakes head in disappointment) "Open minded and seeing clearly"...doesn't show, Steve, but good luck with that, seriously. I hope some day you truly are. Peace Kelly
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Post by Steve on Apr 10, 2012 11:54:59 GMT -6
Well, your both entitled to your opinions, as I am entitled to mine. The great Werner Von Braun was a great man, at times he had to literally deal with the devil (Nazi Germany) to see his dreams of space flight fulfilled. We could not have made it to the Moon without his Saturn 5, a good engine and design configuration man. When Rosen attached herself to him he was sadly dying of cancer, and was in the autumn of his life. I had dinner and worked with George Takei over a weekend too, but I would never consider myself a Star Trek authority as a result, as much as I love the series and it's concepts. Oddly in my medium experiment with Mary, the entity's name you could not remember disagrees with me too. 'Han' thought Bob Lazar's claims are genuine, while I think Lazar is a con artist. I am very wary of notions of ET's mixed with human politics. Politics (often pointless) alone gives me the creeps already without ET's injected into the discussion. Building a political platform on an alleged meeting between Aliens and officials at Holloman AFB in the mid-1960's for instance? It may have occurred, and again it maybe have been all made up. By contrast - 'Han' again in our sessions expressed there were real Holloman AFB meetings, and even human and alien exchanges. While the conscious Steve wishes more than just some talk passed between 'believers'. The 'sub-conscious Steve' in this medium experiment has other rules of acceptance and non-acceptance. I wish to explore what the different subconscious and the conscious rules are rationalizing all this. The different rules they both operate with in seeking another road to find any answers. If I am not sure - by contrast Mary seems sure. It might even be (as Mary suspects) an ET communicating. Whether Holloman meetings ever occurred, whether Rosen, Greer and Lazar are for real or not, I have worked with many experiencers enough to know they have experienced something remarkable and often frightening. You can't fake the body language they are expressing during many hypnotic sessions. These reactions are controlled during the sessions so it will be cathartic, not necessarily reliving it just for those present. You can't fake the dropped lower lip, the eyes dilating, and all the other physiological reactions of fear. I accept it because I can empirically see it before my eyes and see the clients reactions. What ever they are experiencing in recall, it is real. It is therefore real enough to me to pursue exploring. In my opinion, I am open minded enough, but Rosen for me personally by contrast needs to demonstrate to me further before I will accept her political agendas. Her agendas are too soon yet for me. I worry and wonder what is occurring to experiencers. I can clearly see they have had events happen to them of high strangeness, and it maybe for the most part as incredible as it is, what they are relating is what in reality maybe occurring. I don't like others necessarily like Rosens and Greers using these individuals for their own political and financial surfing. Attempting to use some scientific basis to investigate these experiences will not be helped by political agendas. This is what brought down NICAP, CUFOS, and is now with MUFON. Again, your both entitled to your opinions, as I am entitled to mine. I just prefer to just stick with what I am more certain of, and even then, that in many other circles could be seen as debatable. Among us as friends here, we can debate endlessly. But outside our friendly circle, I seek something more that can persuade a skeptical world they can except based on their own standards of reality on their own home turf of rationality. Steve
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Post by auntym on Apr 10, 2012 12:27:07 GMT -6
steve... what i objected to was the way you dismissed her because of her hair... that is what surprised me... maybe... somewhere in your subconscious mind, as a young boy, you had nightmares about a strange female with wild, untamed white hair.... and if so, that is what you're reacting to.... oh well.... i still like you....
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Post by Steve on Apr 10, 2012 12:38:39 GMT -6
steve... what i objected to was the way you dismissed her because of her hair... that is what surprised me... maybe... somewhere in your subconscious mind, as a young boy, you had nightmares about a strange female with wild, untamed white hair.... and if so, that is what you're reacting to.... oh well.... i still like you.... I earlier also admitted I felt her hair, if silly to me, should not be a basis for argument about her important issues. I feel if she wanted to make her issues in her cause more effective, she should change her public appearance image, the same way Nixon should have done something about his five o'clock shadow. (Never was a Nixon fan either). AuntyM, you should also know better to think I would knowingly encourage 'dis-information'. Your confusing dis-information with me not singing along with the chorus sometimes. Steve
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Post by Steve on Apr 10, 2012 12:56:52 GMT -6
steve... what i objected to was the way you dismissed her because of her hair... that is what surprised me... maybe... somewhere in your subconscious mind, as a young boy, you had nightmares about a strange female with wild, untamed white hair.... and if so, that is what you're reacting to.... oh well.... i still like you.... Oh well, I still like both of you too. And oh, I don't recall blondes ever being nightmares. ;D Steve
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 10, 2012 15:06:49 GMT -6
Now THAT is the Steve I admire! The one who articulates his opinion with articulation, facts, and passion. (Not slanders of character based on appearance or what they believe in.) Yes Steve, you are free to have your opinion just as I . And yes, among us it is of a different caliber than what we weigh others at, and their word. It is not open minded to do so on the basis of appearance or beliefs though, and you have shown that you know that in your recent post. Thank you. That is all I ask, or rather have come to expect from you. My apaologies for not remembering Han's name. That was not meant intentionally to effect you. I still like you too, I just like seeing people classed esp. based on such low standards as appearance and beliefs.
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Post by ufo4peace on May 2, 2012 23:48:38 GMT -6
The hair is a minor point, but it doesn't help her in any image she maybe trying to project. Steve This is coming from The Edge Of Reality forum? Can't have your cake and eat it to. On Carol Rosin's testimony I believe her.
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