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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2011 17:36:50 GMT -6
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5MHKgHHIH0&feature=player_embedded [/youtube] Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson briefly discusses, in a speculative but reasoned manner, on some fringe areas of our scientific knowledge, such as the origin of life on Earth, and the existence of -- and possibility for interactions with -- extra-terrestrial intelligent life forms. Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson is an American astrophysicist and the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. An accomplished scientist, he is also outspoken for his rationalist and skeptical world-views, and was honored with the 2009 Isaac Asimov award from the American Humanist Association. To find out more about Dr. Tyson, you can start here: www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2011 18:02:41 GMT -6
"Look what I got. I like, stole the ashtray off the shelf of the flying saucer!"
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2011 19:15:40 GMT -6
It struck me very interesting when he said that 'dark gravity' (place holder term for dark matter) could possibly permeate among and between other Universes.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 3:30:54 GMT -6
LOL! I like this guy... ;D
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Post by auntym on Aug 23, 2011 12:25:13 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/traversing-intelligence-species Traversing the Intelligence of Species[/color] Submitted by Diane Tessman on Tue, 08/23/2011 In what ways can we prepare ourselves to meet exo-species? This is an unbiased question, because a particular exo-species might be loving, positive extraterrestrials or they might be cold scientists who intend to use us for research or dinner. This is an unbiased question because we should try as best we can to prepare ourselves, whether they are from far distant space, from time, or from another dimensional source other than time itself. "How can we prepare ourselves?" would seem to be the most important question of all. Look at it this way: If we go to Africa to meet an African Elephant in her habitat (what’s left of it in 2011), we damn sure better be aware of how to approach her if we want to survive to see the next African sunrise. Some thought, experience, and common sense, needs to go into this adventure because there is that nanosecond of meeting her face to face, and in fact, every moment beyond that, hinges on that first moment of action/reaction. I am not sure that our human, often left-brained intellectual theories on what aliens are in cahoots with governments, or what dastardly plan an extraterrestrial race has in store for us, is the best way to prepare ourselves. I’m not sure that perceiving the human race as always the victim of this space-going race or that other dimensional cartel, will really help us survive when "they" land! Of course, that’s if they land, because any self-respecting alien race would run the other way when viewing Earth and her humans in 2011. However, it feels to a lot of us, like they are going to land. UFO sightings have snowballed unbelievably in the last year. "They" seem to want to be seen by observers on the ground more than they have since perhaps 1947 and the "early" years. And if "feelings" have anything to do with it, many of us feel there will be landings of UFO occupants, perhaps contingent only on if the earth military is breathing down their necks (if they have necks). Most of the people I know and have worked with, regarding UFOs, contact, enlightenment, spiritual evolution, and more - love animals. Whether one is on the scientific, skeptical side, or on the peace, love, and light side of this enormous issue, almost all of us love animals and nature. Coincidence? If we are capable of traversing species intelligence, we perceive the humor and love of our dog friend. If we are capable of traversing species intelligence, we feel empathy for a stray kitten. If we are capable of traversing species intelligence, we feel sadness as polar bears lose their ice floes, their homes collapsing permanently beneath their giant paws. For those who cannot traverse species intelligence, they feel they can kick a dog and no harm done. For those who cannot traverse species intelligence, they enjoy shooting a doe who stands protecting her fawn. When we look at a baby alligator, is there a fleeting moment when we see the same look of innocence which a human baby has? We call this "cute," but it is much more. Most of the people I know who actively pursue the UFO puzzle, do see that magical innocence in all new life. CONTINUE READING: www.ufodigest.com/article/traversing-intelligence-species
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 12:53:48 GMT -6
This is all assuming they want to interact with us..so far it's been a 'done unto' one sided interaction. If they wanted to communicate, wouldn't they have?
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Post by skywalker on Aug 23, 2011 19:47:25 GMT -6
I still think that is what they are trying to do. We are just not yet able to communicate telepathically like they do and they don't speak with words like we do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 22:08:31 GMT -6
I think they're smarter than that Sky..just a feeling but I think they're just observing and taking what samples they find interesting. You could be right tho
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Post by orionpath on Aug 24, 2011 12:43:12 GMT -6
I remember a telepathic thought came to me like the nudge of your conscience, after finding myself In a near field from a camp. I answered, " no thanks ". If my husband saw the lights he would shoot first. I did not want that to happen to them even though I had been somewhere unknown. I still do not feel that I know what or who they are as they show only something familiar to me as the sail boat with that light at the top of a mast on the sailboat. It's been a long time since that happened and I don't think about it often. Don't want it in my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 15:47:57 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing with us Orion. ~hugs~
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 18:07:32 GMT -6
I sure understand that, there's much I would like to not have in my mind.
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Post by paulette on Aug 24, 2011 21:03:17 GMT -6
I'm going to tackle this and its really just some stuff I've been kicking around in my mind. A basic primer for meeting life forms that one has no prior experience or memories of any experience. I don't see why meeting anyone wouldn't have to be sorted out in the experiencers mind the same way.
1. One sees a being. Whether its an elephant or a snake or a stone fish or an ET.
First question: Is it aware of me? There are accounts of people stumbling upon ships and beings outside the ships that seem alarmed to be seen and quickly enter their craft and leave. Or the car passes one in a field nearby. Are the lights on? Is the being facing me? Do I get any vibes? People really report fear vibes - children not always. If its strange and one is afraid then it seems to me that if possible one should leave the scene as calmly as possible. Drive the opposite direction. Try to find somewhere that is open - a gas station or whatever.
If curiosity prevails and the being seems to be aware but not alarmed at the human then what? Some creatures that are poisonous or dangerous predators are NOT alarmed by people. Having the bear moving towards you is not a good situation. Or the snake. Or the crocodile. Because unless one has a tazer, phaser, or big gun, we don't have body defences that are particularly frightening. If some life form is tiny - we are threatening. If its close to mass in size to us - no way. This is the cut line where some people will run like hell, abandon a friend maybe and drive away and some will walk towards the being, hoping for some enlightening experience.
My suggestion if you are in the later group is to NOT move forward. Rather, stand open handed and try to find the cell phone camera in your pocket but not shove it in the life form's face. Flip on "record" if you have such a feature.
Do not touch the life form. Many people who thought they were "relating" to a life form like a shark or crocodile or maybe blue ringed octopus (deadly poisonous and real pretty) were actually have their last moments before the pain or unconsciousness or dying started. Not many creatures want to be touched by someone they don't know. That includes us and everything else. Plus there are those nasty pictures of burns that people got touching a supposed ET. They often seem to wear body covering - we may not be safe for them either. If there is a them.
Try to scuff a mark on the trail. Try to get an instant orientation - eg, I am facing East, its about 2pm. I am here next to this particular rock or dead tree. This is a version of, how far am I from the boat? Maybe drop something if you have something to drop inconspicuously. Because later, if its 6pm and you're wandering around nowhere near your car - or maybe back in your car - anything you can remember to orient yourself will be helpful. As Doctor Tyson says, steal an ashtray. Anything!
If you are still thinking to be an Intergalactic Representative for all humankind - say Welcome and think Welcome. Say your name and indicate yourself. Why not? If you're a mathematician you might try scatching something impressive in the dirt. Why not? You're not likely to discover that you have mutual friends or went to the same HS. If you have something innoculous in your pocket - a pocket stone, a Rubix Cube - offer it to them. And hope you get something in return and if you do - that you get to keep it. And that you remember anything that happened to you - immediately or much later - and can go search for the Kleenex you dropped next to the big tree.
Me - I tried all that - except we went to visit where we thought they landed. We couldn't go any further and I was more terrified than I have ever been in my life and continued to be so even after we went back to the house. I put out the thought, "I think I'm going to die of fear. Sorry - thought I could handle it." Use that if you get to that part. After that I fell "asleep" for about 7 hours.
Feel free to add to this. Maybe there's money in it...
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Post by skywalker on Aug 24, 2011 23:16:43 GMT -6
There's not much I could add unfortunately. When I had my encounter I was first asleep, then paralyzed and finally clueless about what was going on. I don't think there has been any guidebook written that could tell somebody what to do in a situation like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 23:31:42 GMT -6
Paulette, that's a very good idea. Very good suggestions... if you are able to move and have free will when you have an experience that is... most people don't seem to have control of themselves during these encounters though unfortunately...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 23:45:11 GMT -6
Excellent point Lorelei. Back when I was dumber I shared my experience with someone on MUFON. "Wow..did you miss a great opportunity..why didn't you try talking to them? I would have, wow I'd love to be in those shoes." Yep..I should have thought of that and next time I'll send them to your house ;D
If you meet an elephant...you recognize it for the creature it is and you probably know a few things about the nature of elephants. They like peanuts..etc. If you meet any type of terrestrial creature you automatically know something of it. You understand that if it's a predator, it's usually best to not engage it. If you don't know what it is other than utterly alien, it's probably best to assume you know nothing because arrogance might just get you in serious trouble. Maybe it will rush up, shake hands and offer to do lunch (hopefully your're not the blue plate special). Chances are..you just stepped into the twilight zone, your brain is doing cartwheels and you swallowed your gum.
Telepathy is hard. Just because someone can send doesn't mean everyone can receive and universal translators are probably only on Star Trek..hopefully they'll have boned up on all of the multitudes of earth languages ;D
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Post by lois on Aug 25, 2011 0:34:53 GMT -6
Not knowing to me is the hard part. Yet inside my brain I feel it is so much more.. I was not afraid of them when I approached the ship. I felt I knew these characters all my life. This is only speculation, but I feel strongly about it.
I believe once you go inside the ship or when ever your abduction begins you know where you are and what is going to happen and who will be there....I believe I have known them forever and every memory comes back when I see them.
They give it all back to you or you see them and there is no way around thinking it never happen before so you may as well let it all come to your conscience mind.. It is like Oh how are you to someone you have not seen or thought about in maybe even years which has passed. It does not mean it is a nice little visit with aliens.. but you are not so afraid as it is not the unknown to you anymore. You are remembering them at that time. Only to lose it all again..
I can go to this abduction spot of mine and never feel scared in the least. In stead I stand there and try to remember them.... I'm usually there to show some one who is with me at the time how it all happen. Now it is only six blocks away from where I live now.
You have all seen the intersection of Morris Ave. and Grove in a Google Earth photo of mine. Just go south of the intersection six blocks and turn right, I live in the fifth house East. What I mean is we drive by it almost every time we leave our home as it is a main street here, this Morris ave.
It does not bother me a bit. I just get mad sort of as I think what happened here? as we go by in our car. ..When the mind altering started on this night, I knew I had always been near them at times in times past.. but don't recall what happen then either. It was all the mind connecting with them that is scary, that is very scary.
Sky our minds can interact with theirs . I know very little but this is the one thing I do know. As it has always been part of the abduction and they let me remember it. They put thoughts into your mind. These thoughts are verbal speech also. Like Lois go to the west window. I knew it was them before I looked as the experience of this telepathic thing no one would ever forget. It was not so scary at all once I knew who was doing it to me.
The time they told me about the first earthquake was very scary as I never knew who put the 100% sure thought into my head that night, I knew it was the same old experience in my head that I had been having since I was 12. Was it God? I even ask that question.. believe it or not. I started asking if it was God because the earthquake always hit. I mean who else would know, with my spiritual beliefs this had to be the answer. This is sort of the way it still is today when I feel a earthquake may come, it does something to my head first.....I do get tease about this all the time and believe me it is not funny.
One will say Ha you did not know about this one.. It seems to be anything with a 7 to 9 point magnitude
It is scary as it changes body senses as well during this time of interaction.. like your hearing is loud so loud you want to die. and your feet is walking on air if you are standing up. I was glad it was always in a quiet house as I cannot imagine how awful it would be if it was not. Once it happened as my brother came home from a date late at night. I knew when he hit those stairs I would have to endure it . He sounded like his footsteps was pounding down the walls of the house. I'm referring to the staircase inside our home which comes up to the second floor. His room was adjacent mine. So when I went running down the hallway to get away I about knock him down.. How would you like to see your family see you act this way? That was a real bummer too.. you don't have a answer for them.
I had 10 brothers and sister seeing me react this way and not until I sleep alone in my own room . Until I was 12 I sleep with my brother who was younger than I. And yet even then I was found many time outside the house at 3 in the morning.. how can the doors of the house of been locked?
I never knew of it until my encounter with the ship at 29. I think maybe even my Mother was thinking as I thought at this time. But she only waited till then to tell me Lois.. the doors of the house were locked. Then it all came back to me in one instant.. her arguing with my 18 year old sister about her not locking the door when she came in late and I walked out but she would say. Lois was asleep and I locked the front door. I could never figure out why they had this discussion many times when I was five to eight roughly. I do not recall any mind changing at these events. I figured I sleep walked.
This has only happen a few times since my ship encounter with missing time. Once in 1989. and when I feel there is a earthquake. What else is it to have such a weird thing happen to you all your life? And a number of times while seeing a ufo.. Yes they can put thoughts into your head, but I talk back with my own voice and it is usually cussing words.. which I know they understand.
To make some sort of contact with earth though they would have to land in broad daylight and approach a multitude of people in our government. Certainly not this mind interaction or would they use it to communicate with them when in their presence? I have never read anyone telling it like I have experience it, and I have search cases for decades.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 12:28:50 GMT -6
Lois, you did a great job of describing telepathy, it's not easy to translate or put in words but the language is clear as if you're talking with that entity , clearly understanding and hearing what theyre saying in perfect english, yet you're not using your ears, Its going through your mind clearly instead. Ive thought about trying to communicate with them again, and have slightly in the past made attempts, but not trying to go all out. For some odd reason I feel I need to though . Im not afraid of them now, Im just uneasy not knowing why they came to me to begin with. I figure if they were going to do harm, they'd already have done it. I still remain cautious and untrusting though at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 18:12:17 GMT -6
I am (on occassion when the universe decrees it LOL) clair-cognizant. It's a tricky little 'gift' that requires a lot of faith. It's not hearing..or telepathy or maybe it's a bit of both..it's just knowing. When it does happen..you can't describe it..you just have the information there in your head. Once..I've had the sensation of it as spoken word. I was told I should walk the dog in the ball park..that was all but they were words I wouldn't speak to myself (if you understand what I mean). It did lead to an encounter of a sort. Another time about ten seconds before my daughter and I spun out in the pick up we were in..I saw it fly through my head at super speed and knew not to worry that we would be fine. She had the same 'instant pre-play'. Most so called 'psychic' gifts do require the faith to trust them and they require an open mind which is why some people have them and some don't I think. A closed mind couldn't trust or accept such a thing..they'd trot off to a psychiatrist and get a pill for their efforts. If you are open minded which you Cliff and Lois and most people here are..you probably will be getting a lot more 'messages' if you still your mind and want to hear them Fear is the enemy period. Fear stops all progress..all input. Most of us here have had some kind of encounters with the unusual and that 'familiarity' gives a little hint of an edge..just in knowing it exists. Not so shocking as the first time around. Ok..now I'm done channeling yoda.. ;D
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Post by swamprat on Oct 12, 2011 10:56:26 GMT -6
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University of Louisville talk to focus on existence of alien life5:15 PM, Oct. 11, 2011 Michael Crowe, a University of Notre Dame humanities professor and leading scholar on the history of extraterrestrials, will give a free public lecture Monday October 17 at the University of Louisville. He will discuss "Seventeen Key Developments in the Extraterrestrial Life Debate" at 7 p.m. in Gheens Science Hall. The talk is sponsored by the Louisville chapter of Sigma Xi and Jefferson Community and Technical College www.courier-journal.com/article/20111011/NEWS01/310110084/U-L-talk-focus-existence-alien-life?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Local%20News
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