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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 17:54:00 GMT -6
It's OK Paulette. ~hugz~ We just have polar opposite views of how we think our governments should work. Canadians tend to be far more liberal than us, your neighbors to the west. My best friend, the woman is like a sister to me, is also an Obama supporter. We never agree on politics but we do discuss things from our different vantage points and often agree that we disagree. Like I said, I didn't mean anything malicious by posting that video, it just is highly amusing (and irritating) to me from my perspective on how the media reports(and also fails to report) certain things. (Like the automobile being invented in Germany rather than the US... and referring to "Austrian" as a language you know... if our former prez had said those things the media would have been ALL over it but not this prez...) Something I think is funny might make someone else upset, and vice versa. I try to be good about it though but it doesn't always come out right... If you would like to discuss political viewpoints with me in PM feel free. I would love to have a debate with an intelligent liberal woman such as yourself! Finding intelligent people to debate with is difficult most of the time, especially in my town. I just hope we can do it without getting too heated... It's hard to be civil about these matters when you have people on every TV news station screaming at one another and behaving like children... on both sides. The media really needs to simmer down and do it without getting excited as well IMO... but they don't seem to grasp that concept for some reason. ~hugz~
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Post by Steve on Mar 24, 2012 4:42:39 GMT -6
Promoting political & social intolerance in a website were tolerance of all kinds is necessary? I will express myself instead in the voting booth thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 9:55:25 GMT -6
Politics and religion are both very tender subjects because we tend to be pretty passionate about them. I don't feel that way anymore because I've come to the conclusion that no matter who wins an election..half of the population will be celebrating while the other half cries. There isn't a man out there who will capture the hearts of us all AND be the perfect politician (I'm pretty sure that's an oxymoron). Our beliefs...are what make us individual and special..no one should undermine that or try to change us OR we may as well be little clones. I don't mind hearing someone complain about politicians because it makes life more bearable if we have someone to blame for the economy or whatever unhappiness stabs us at the moment. But we need to remember before we give politics a name..that person might be well loved by others here. Here we discuss things that go bump in our lives and in the wee dark hours of the night. The stuff of nightmares and excitement and lets keep it the special place it is. Personally...I don't care if you have an elephant or a$$ stamped on your forehead...I'd rather know YOU. Don't care what your religion as long as it's influenced you to be the wonderful person I know you to be. Someday maybe we'll all see that it doesn't matter who runs the country...we don't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 17:20:11 GMT -6
I take issue with the fact that this subject (promoting political intolerance) came up (finally) on the MULTI-GENERATIONAL ET ABDUCTIONS thread while talking about Obama, instead of the Bush family. LOL. ;D In my personal experience, from ages 0-45, I have randomly been surprised by myself and people talking about personal issues like religion, who they voted for, and male and female enhancement(s) items being advertised on TV. I at one time also thought someone (an adult) was being nosy when they asked me how much I paid in rent. I somehow have a "filter" in me, that goes off whenever someone asks me a question, or makes a statement directly to me. The "filter" says why? and where? does the information go from here? That being said. . . It is my belief that we will talk about anything and everything, regardless of possible consequences foreseen or not foreseen. And there is also the possibility that there are no consequences. Please take me literally, and I am talking about in general, the world outside of TEOR. TEOR, caught my attention BECAUSE we supposedly can talk about ANYTHING. Does anywhere in this world, whether "free" country or not, make this claim? Do we take this seriously? I don't know if any of my friends here saw Skywalkers (usual) rant about government that was on this page. He was adding to the discussion, and it was here last night. It is not here now . He didn't even possibly delete it and then state why he deleted it. Did someone else delete it? Anyway, Skywalker acknowledged that he was about to say what he was saying, and then went on to say it. Redundant perhaps, but I understand that this is the way he feels and I'm OK with it. I think quite possibly, he could direct some of that angst into writing letters to our goverment on a regular basis. But, according to some people, he may be already doing that by posting these things on TEOR. Is that becoming a problem? I am not going to base my opinion of, and scrutinize every thing Skywalker does, based on what he says about our government. IF someone is doing that, then we are a people who will soon incarcerate people for expressing their opinions on a website, a book, a TV show, a telephone call. Some years ago, S. Rushdie put his life and his families' life at risk by getting a book published. I am not denying the reality of this. I am not denying the reality of people in general harassing other people (in general). And people can take and deny some facts and reality posted ON THIS THREAD about deaths of family members and associates due to the discussion in writing, vocally, etc. of this phenomenon. So let me get to my point. I am OFFENDED that suddenly people here are arguing whether or not UTube videos about our current president were meant as offensive, were offensive, and the like. It doesn't matter how I FEEL about the current situations about healthcare, our armed forces, the economy, the media, and who becomes the "scapegoat". It's called "freedom of expression", by golly. Using this "political" instance, for example purposes, Obama is not a poster here. Should I feel more bound as a person to defend him since he isn't here? No. I didn't watch the video posted here, I had nothing to comment, and I went on. This thread isn't about Obama, and if it was, I still wouldn't post here. I also didn't post on another thread about a political candidate. So in essence, I'm saying I care NOT to post political stuff, right? But I do post my religious beliefs. And with posting those, I'm painfully aware that at any moment someone is free to verbally attack me, or to assume that somehow, in making my statements of belief, I am verbally attacking their ways of belief. Now, if one of my friends said on here, "If you poke fun at Jesus Christ I'm leaving", well, that's understandable. To me. That is an ultimatum I'd have to consider. I don't want to lose any friends I have made here. I acknowledge that I irritate people, and regularly go from seeming really intelligent, to being a "dimwit". ONE person has made fun of me, and no one here came to my rescue! (I'm talking about the Utube video posted just for me. And I LOVE IT! ) In loving you friends, I will defend you, right in front of you, when some poster such as ufo4nopeace starts making fun of you. If he had posted videos making fun of our prez, or our media, I would either have ignored him or possibly laughed. Please, continue TEOR, to give me the right to decide, in the comfort of my own home, that it's OK to laugh, be angry, or indifferent to the things people post on here. Freedom of Expression is soooo __________________.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 24, 2012 20:09:10 GMT -6
I deleted my previous post, Jc. Like I said before I don't want this forum to turn into a political soapbox. I try to avoid making political comments for that reason. I have my own reasons for hating big powerful governments and it has nothing to do with the people here so I see no reason to stir up any negative feelings about it.
As for the person who was making fun of you before he was booted for making fun of people, among other things. I really hated for it to happen but the line has to be drawn somewhere. Hopefully it won't ever be necessary again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 22:38:33 GMT -6
"I don't want to lose any friends I have made here. I acknowledge that I irritate people, and regularly go from seeming really intelligent, to being a "dimwit". ONE person has made fun of me, and no one here came to my rescue! (I'm talking about the Utube video posted just for me. And I LOVE IT! )" ______________________________________________________ I'm getting very tired of being misunderstood. I said I loved the Utube video posted just for me. STEVE posted it. "I just love little kittens". . . . I can see myself forever using that particular line to diffuse intense conversations going on around me. ;D _______________________________________________________ But for this "making fun of me" comment to be focused on. I brought up ufo4nopeace because the dude had a lot of freedom of expression and abused it. He wasn't making fun; he was hateful. He abused people. Not just some topic, like politics. Don't you guys think Obama knows about videos like this one posted on this thread? (and now I can see someone out there reminding me that Obama CAN come across as "hateful") *Shrug.* I don't think anyone has to worry about TEOR becoming a place to talk about politics. Like I said at the beginning of my rant, I have been expecting someone to address this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 22:53:11 GMT -6
oh, and about me saying "I'm getting very tired of being misunderstood" I'm not leaving TEOR, I'm not angry, and I'm not going to cry myself to sleep about it. I don't think it's a hopeless situation . I'm just voicing a complaint that I can't seem to fix right now.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 25, 2012 10:37:31 GMT -6
oh, and about me saying "I'm getting very tired of being misunderstood" I'm not leaving TEOR, I'm not angry, and I'm not going to cry myself to sleep about it. I don't think it's a hopeless situation . I'm just voicing a complaint that I can't seem to fix right now. Sorry, Jc. I misunderstood because I was on my cell phone while camping out with a bunch of boy scouts who were barfing all over the place because they ate a huge dinner and then spun around in circles on a rope swing...even though they had been warned not to. It's hard to concentrate on stuff while realizing that the future of the planet will someday be in the hands of these geniuses. (I think we are doomed... )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 11:23:45 GMT -6
No one would delete Sky's posts..it would be rude and unethical and I'm sure no other moderator would take that responsibility. If his post is gone...it's because he wanted it to be. That said: We do talk about everything here that is related to the edge of reality. It is a site for the paranormal, for ET for things that go bump in the night. I understand why some people are offended by political comments. If someone were to insult my family I would take supreme issue and I know some people are that tender about their political belief. I respect that. If someone loves a particular politician, aren't they entitled to it without someone else coming along and saying what a dolt he is? We have plenty of issues to discuss and debate without the cloud of politics. In my opinion The exception might be that this or that president encouraged knowledge of ET's or space travel. We can talk about government cover ups and conspiracies without defaming individuals can't we?? Or political lines. Personally I think there were huge cover ups over JFK and I don't mind discussing that. But tearing down someone's belief in a current president only seems petty of me. Pretty much ask me anything and I am an open book but I don't expect that in everyone..their choice of president is personal. Can we let that be?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 12:55:25 GMT -6
"Can we let that be?" I think we did. And Lore did not mean to slam no president (in her words) any how. She was slamming a general topic that fits here, on TEOR. THE MEDIA. I respect the right of individuals to freedom of expression. That means they can express joy, frustration, etc., AND make fun of ANYONE, THAT DOES NOT POST ON TEOR. As humans we need to make the distinction between complaining, making jokes about,etc. etc., those THINGS (like implants, for example) that we CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT, and things we CAN do things about . IMO. Again, for clarification, I think it is OK, and perfectly natural (as humans go and our gift for gab) for people to COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS THEY CAN'T OTHERWISE AFFECT. I have people in my family that deserve to know what some people THINK about them. They also are loved for other (unknown?) reasons and if someone were to approach them with a weapon. . . As for Skywalker, and what I said, I don't expect anyone to censure him other than himself or the government . I make these stooopid comments to remind him how upset I was when some other *famous and much-loved* poster deleted ALL his own posts on another forum. Oh well. I shoulda known THAT was a sign. . . Skywalker doesn't want to upset anyone. We have talked about "avoiding conflict". But he also knows that when I get upset (now), I can't shut up!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 13:04:53 GMT -6
very, very small print if possible this is not my forum. I don't think anyone need worry about politics being discussed here. I'm venting about the current state of freedoms we have as human beings in general. I'll shut up now without someone else telling me to shut up.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 25, 2012 13:24:38 GMT -6
I think that this little situation has been blown way out of proportion. The post that I deleted was just one of my usual anti-government rants that I go off on every now and then. I was in a bad mood when I wrote it and after thinking about it over night I decided that it didn't add anything worthwhile to the conversation so I deleted it. It was just a meaningless post. About the video that Lorelei posted, I personally don't think that it was "Obama bashing." Lorelei probably didn't mean it that way. It was just a humorous collection of bloopers that show Obama making mistakes while giving speeches. There is nothing wrong with that. Everybody makes mistakes. Because Obama is a public figure he is setting himself up as a target for criticism...this is something that all political figures have to deal with. There is nothing wrong with that either. The video is also a very good illustration of media bias, which is what Lorelei was talking about. According to the mainstream media, which is almost totally in favor of the Democrat Party, Obama is the greatest public speaker of all time. They never would have made any comments about any of these mistakes even though they spent eight years criticizing Bush at every opportunuty for being stupid and uneducated. That is just typical media bias which also doesn't mean anything. If the video had been about anybody other than Obama everybody probably would have laughed about it, but because Obama is such a devisive and controversial president some people took it the wrong way and got offended when they probably shouldn't have. This is one of the dangers of discussing politics. When somebody criticises a political candidate the people who support that candidate feel as if the criticism is directed at them personally. They have a tendency to be oversensitive about it and react emotionally. This is why I try to restrain myself when talking about political subjects and is why I deleted that post that I made. As the forum administrator I have to be extra careful about what I say, for a variety of reasons. This is something that Stiver told me a long time ago when we were on the old forum. She said that she sometimes regretted being the admin because there were a lot of times when she could not say what she really wanted to say. I didn't know what she was talking about at the time but I understand it now. If people want to discuss political issues here they are welcome to do so. We try to not put any restraints on freedom of speech. Just remember that people have a tendency to have strong feelings about politics...and that goes both ways...so people should take that into consideration. We are all friends here and I am sure nobody wants to deliberately make anybody angry. People should also remember that not everybody thinks exactly the same way, so some people are going to post some things that others do not necessarily agree with. The best thing to do in these situations is to just ignore the post. Nobody has to respond to anything. We have all been together here for a long time. We don't always agree on everything, but when we disagree we usually do it respectfully. I see no reason why this little incident should cause any problems. It's all good.
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Post by paulette on Mar 25, 2012 15:02:57 GMT -6
"We have all been together here for a long time. We don't always agree on everything, but when we disagree we usually do it respectfully. I see no reason why this little incident should cause any problems. It's all good." Skywalker
I like this. Paulette
"We are all friends here and I am sure nobody wants to deliberately make anybody angry. People should also remember that not everybody thinks exactly the same way, so some people are going to post some things that others do not necessarily agree with. The best thing to do in these situations is to just ignore the post. Nobody has to respond to anything." Skywalker (earlier than first quote)
Not always easy and maybe not always desirable. Paulette
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 19:15:25 GMT -6
You know..as usually lately..more and more I really don't have a clue as to what the first point was. I was trying to 'lean' the forum back to anything resembling the paranormal in an effort to make everyone happy. I couldn't care less what subjects are up for grab because when I don't want to get into something I simply ignore it but some people DO get offended and hurt. I didn't see Lorelei's video but I know she wouldn't mean to offend anyone. Sky maybe locking this one's not a bad idea?
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Post by skywalker on Mar 25, 2012 21:39:12 GMT -6
You know..as usually lately..more and more I really don't have a clue as to what the first point was. I was trying to 'lean' the forum back to anything resembling the paranormal in an effort to make everyone happy. I couldn't care less what subjects are up for grab because when I don't want to get into something I simply ignore it but some people DO get offended and hurt. I didn't see Lorelei's video but I know she wouldn't mean to offend anyone. Sky maybe locking this one's not a bad idea? I don't want to lock this thread because it is about Thomas Reed's case. Let's get back to talking about that. I'll move all of this political stuff to our political thread whenever I find it. Incidentally, for those of you who were complaining about the video that Lorelei posted why don't you try watching it? All it really is is a collection of bloopers that Obama made in some of his speeches along with some clips of people in the news media praising him for being a great speaker. Lorelei was responding to Thomas' post complaining about the news media...she just did it with an Obama blooper video as an example. Like I said before, I don't consider that to be Obama bashing and it is certainly nothing to cause her to get so upset that she is now thinking about quiting the forum.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 25, 2012 21:59:42 GMT -6
"We are all friends here and I am sure nobody wants to deliberately make anybody angry. People should also remember that not everybody thinks exactly the same way, so some people are going to post some things that others do not necessarily agree with. The best thing to do in these situations is to just ignore the post. Nobody has to respond to anything." Skywalker (earlier than first quote) Not always easy and maybe not always desirable. Paulette It's up to each person to decide that for themselves. Anybody can say anything thay want. Anybody can respond any way they want. That's what freedom of speech is all about. It's our own individual compassion that determines how much respect we are willing to give to other people's feelings. This is why I try to restrain my political comments. I don't always succeed but I do try. (I'll move all of this political stuff to a different thread tomorrow when I have more time.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 22:38:33 GMT -6
I'm sorry for all of this trouble. It won't happen again. I'm not leaving the forum. I was just in an extremely bad mood yesterday and I made a post, thought about it and deleted it because I realized I was just looking for a fight and I really shouldn't do that... unfortunately I, along with everyone else, am very susceptible to terrible and irrational human emotions... We're back in the big city after another string of irritating events. I will be taking classes all week on how to work dad's new home dialysis machine. I'm going outside to have a smoke...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 1:34:08 GMT -6
Well you'd better not quit cause then I'd have to quit and then I'd be in a bad mood and I'd have to take a trip up there to kick your bottom into submission but I'd have to stand on a chair to reach it and then I'd fall on my head and my implanted alien brain would bounce across the floor into the woods and be devoured by a rampant and quite rare Alaskan snow tiger which would eat the brain and die and we'd all be in trouble for exterminating YET another species...sigh. So lets all forget the last few posts, chalk it up to the alien weapon of gamma speroid rays from the sun and get back to the business of what ever we do. ;D
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Post by paulette on Mar 26, 2012 14:03:12 GMT -6
. So lets all forget the last few posts, chalk it up to the alien weapon of gamma speroid rays from the sun and get back to the business of what ever we do. ;D I'll go with that. Lorelei, I think I was looking for a fight too. And not with people here. Don't want to lose anyone here - we all bring an interesting part of the puzzle of who meets here - experiencers and those drawn to the topic. I am fond of you all.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 26, 2012 18:42:35 GMT -6
. So lets all forget the last few posts, chalk it up to the alien weapon of gamma speroid rays from the sun and get back to the business of what ever we do. ;D I'll go with that. Lorelei, I think I was looking for a fight too. And not with people here. Don't want to lose anyone here - we all bring an interesting part of the puzzle of who meets here - experiencers and those drawn to the topic. I am fond of you all. Does this mean that everybody can go back to being friends again? I have a tendency to get in a bad mood and throw temper tantrums when people aren't getting along.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 21:44:53 GMT -6
. So lets all forget the last few posts, chalk it up to the alien weapon of gamma speroid rays from the sun and get back to the business of what ever we do. ;D I'll go with that. Lorelei, I think I was looking for a fight too. And not with people here. Don't want to lose anyone here - we all bring an interesting part of the puzzle of who meets here - experiencers and those drawn to the topic. I am fond of you all. Yea... we all get in the mood for a fight every now and then... I do it on facebook a lot (on the pages of non-friends hehehe...). I'll try to keep my "fight picking" reserved for facebook... and have complete strangers call me names... ;D ~hugz everyone~
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 21:50:28 GMT -6
Well you'd better not quit cause then I'd have to quit and then I'd be in a bad mood and I'd have to take a trip up there to kick your bottom into submission but I'd have to stand on a chair to reach it and then I'd fall on my head and my implanted alien brain would bounce across the floor into the woods and be devoured by a rampant and quite rare Alaskan snow tiger which would eat the brain and die and we'd all be in trouble for exterminating YET another species...sigh. So lets all forget the last few posts, chalk it up to the alien weapon of gamma speroid rays from the sun and get back to the business of what ever we do. ;D ;D It's allllllllllllll good!!
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 21, 2012 2:26:59 GMT -6
Bill Moyers on PBS had a good program exposing that elections are essentially being bought by the wealthy that favor going back to deregulation which got us in the mess we are in. The scarry part is you can't see who is funding a political commercial.
So we live in a culture of corruption. Billionairs and bad news type system.
The good news is I believe these people are just setting themselves up for a fall. Maybe disclosure will happen but not the way the cover-up wants it.
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Post by randy on Jun 24, 2012 12:14:36 GMT -6
Bill Moyers is a disgrace to America as a whole. Corruption is endemic in our society and always will be that is why you have to fight it continually. Why do you think the border is not closed to drug trafficking? Working for the govt as an engineer I found the Army corp of engineers extremely corrupt. Why do you think politicians want office? It is not for the salary like Ceaser it is for the bribes and pay offs
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 9:12:35 GMT -6
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It's too bad we don't have a person like Condoleezza Rice running for President. Not only would she be the 1st American women President, she is smart as a whip and is an expert in foreign affairs. If she ever runs she'll have my vote for sure.
She's a get~r~done type of person !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 8:11:08 GMT -6
[ It's too bad we don't have a person like Condoleezza Rice running for President. Not only would she be the 1st American women President, she is smart as a whip and is an expert in foreign affairs. If she ever runs she'll have my vote for sure. She's a get~r~done type of person ! Cliff ;D
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