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Post by skywalker on Oct 26, 2011 22:57:10 GMT -6
There is a video going around claiming that JFK was really killed by the driver of the car he was riding in. Certain people are claiming that the Zapruder film clearly shows that after Kennedy was shot for the first time in the neck the driver turned around with a gun in his hand and shot the President in the head.
Here is the video.
I'm only posting this because it seems to be going viral and causing an uproar right now. However, it is not a correct theory. The so-called "gun" in the video is nothing more than the glare of the sunlight reflecting off of the passenger's head.
Here is another good video analysis that clearly shows this to be the case.
Seems pretty conclusive to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 0:10:43 GMT -6
Yeah..that's not what I get..it looks to me like he's ducking, trying to see where it's coming from and it's just reflection we see.
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Post by skywalker on Oct 28, 2011 9:36:19 GMT -6
Yup, it's just another crazy conspiracy theory. I think so far over the past five decades more than 2000 people have been "conclusively proven" to be the real shooter of JFK. There supposedly were people behind the fence, on top of the bridge, in the sewer, up on each of the buildings, on the grassy knoll, hiding in the bushes and trees, disguised as police officers...and now it's the Limo driver. I guess everybody who was at Daly Plaza that day is guilty except for the dude who had the rifle sticking out of the window on the sixth floor of the Book Depository building.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 10:12:10 GMT -6
Well....(hands on hips) in one of those films..I saw this flying saucer swoop down so fast no one could see it (except me of course) and take out the president. I think it was really aiming for Jackie..some alien chick jealous of her fashion sense..but..that is what REALLY happened that day.
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:08:18 GMT -6
One other point. The Zapruder film has been proven to have been altered. You can't say it proves Greer's innocence unless you look at all his movements, which includes that both his hands were off the wheel 4 seconds before he shot jfk. Tools attempted to use the fake evidence and at the same time ignore real evidence that incriminated Greer. "There was a conspiracy. We know because the Zapruder film was altered because his left hand left the wheel in Zapruder and crossed his right shoulder in both other films, solving this idiotic cover up once and for all. "Do you have any proof of the conspiracy?" "Yes, we have evidence from the Zapruder, nix, and muchmore films. A fake two dot hand occurs between 303-304. No fake arm attachment and Greer's left arm crossing in nix.
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:09:15 GMT -6
JFK Wound Witnesses - (ag6)Note, this is not testimony by people who had a quick look, or were doing something else at the time and happened to see JFK. These are people who were focused specifically on the where the wound was. Their findings are backed by Zapruder which places the hole on the right rear. Not just opinions from washed-up drones. ) KEMP CLARK, MD: Professor and Director of Neurological Surgery at Parkland, in an undated note apparently written contemporaneously at Parkland described the President's skull wound as, "...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392) In a hand written note dated 11-22-63, Dr. Clark wrote, "a large 3 x 3 cm remnant of cerebral tissue present....there was a smaller amount of cerebellar tissue present also.... There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region....Much of the skull appeared gone at the brief examination...." (Exhibit #392: WC V17:9-10) At a press conference 2&1/2 hours after the shooting Clark said, "The head wound could have been either the exit wound from the neck or it could have been a tangential wound, as it was simply a large, gaping loss of tissue." ("At the White House with Wayne Hawks" news conference, 11/22/63, 3:16 PM, CST, Dallas, Texas) This virtually contemporaneous description is not entirely unequivocal. However, if JFK's skull defect were not rearward, it is impossible to imagine Clark would have conjectured that the skull defect was the possible exit site of the neck wound, for Malcolm Perry, MD, who participated with him in the press conference, and had performed a tracheotomy on JFK, had just claimed three times the neck wound was a wound of entrance. In a typed summary submitted to Rear Admiral Burkley on 11-23-63, Clark described the head wound as, "a large wound in the right occipito-parietal region... Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound. (Warren Report, p.518, Warren Commission Exhibit #392, Lifton, D. Best Evidence, p. 322) Under oath and to the Warren Commission's Arlen Specter, Clark described his findings upon arrival to the emergency room, "I then examined the wound in the back of the President's head. This was a large, gaping wound in the right posterior part, with cerebral and cerebellar tissue being damaged and exposed." (WC--V6:20) Specter, either inattentive to Dr. Clark's skull wound description or wishing to move the wound more anterior than the eyewitness, neurosurgery professor placed it, later asked Clark, "Now, you described the massive wound at the top of the of the President's head, with brain protruding..." (WC:6:25) Dr. Clark later located the skull wound to Mr. Specter again, "...in the right occipital region of the President's skull, from which considerable blood loss had occurred which stained the back of his head, neck and upper shoulders." (WC--V6:29) In answer to a question from Specter about the survivability of Kennedy's head wounding, Clark said: "...the loss of cerebellar (sic) tissue wound probably have been of minimal consequence in the performance of his duties. The loss of the right occipital and probably part of the right parietal lobes wound have been of specific importance..." (WC6:26) That Clark, a neurosurgeon, specified that the occipital lobe of the brain was missing cannot suggest anything but a very posterior defect. 2) ROBERT McCLELLAND, MD: In testimony at Parkland taken before Arlen Specter on 3-21-64, McClelland described the head wound as, "... I could very closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been extremely blasted. It had been shattered...so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp and seemed to be fractured almost along its right posterior half, as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral half, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a way that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blasted out...." (WC--V6:33) Later he said, "...unfortunately the loss of blood and the loss of cerebral and cerebellar tissues were so great that the efforts (to save Kennedy's life) were of no avail." (Emphasis added throughout) (WC--V6:34) McClelland made clear that he thought the rear wound in the skull was an exit wound (WC-V6:35,37). McClelland ascribed the cause of death to, "...massive head injuries with loss of large amounts of cerebral and cerebellar tissues and massive blood loss." (WC--V6:34) McClelland's unwillingness to change his recollection has recently attracted detractors in the aftermath of Charles Crenshaw's book, "Conspiracy of Silence". McClelland told Posner, "I saw a piece of cerebellum fall out on the stretcher." (Posner, G. "CC.", p. 311, paper). To dismiss McClelland, Posner quotes Malcolm Perry, "I am astonished that Bob (McClelland) would say that... It shows such poor judgment, and usually he has such good judgment." (Posner G. "Case Closed". p. 311, paperback edition.) Perry's own inconsistent and unreliable memory lessens the merit of his opinions of others, as we will see. No credible evidence of a forward exit has ever surfaced. It is complete fiction.
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:10:31 GMT -6
Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and the follow-up car come to complete stops. www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/27th_Issue/59_1.html1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol]; 2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63]; 3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above )---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in "Four Days", UPI, p. 32]; 4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--" The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129]; 5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---" After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 134]; 6) Clemon Earl Johnson ---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 80];
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:11:47 GMT -6
The film being altered to make it look like his left arm didn't cross is the evidence that Greer shot jfk. The alteration would NOT have been committed for any other reason. Connnally's reflection is depicted the same in the polaroid and Zapruder but Roy's head is without the fake blob in the polaroid, nix, and muchmore. The muchmore cap is the moment of entrance to jfk's right forehead. In addition, it recoils and does all kinds of impossible things only a cartoon could produce. Unless the sun disappears when filmed from the other side of a reflection, but depicts the same reflection on Connally but not Kellerman, the reflection's a fake. The Moorman pic was taken at Zapruder frame 309 and shows no fake reflection on Roy's head, but frame 312-313 of Z shows the fake reflection causing the headshot. Connally's reflection is the same in the pic and Zapruder. Defeated liars must ignore Connally's consistent reflection and impose fictional fantasies. The nix film depicts no fake reflection, and Roy's head snaps back swiftly (just like you'd expect of someone trying to hide that the driver was shooting the President), the complete opposite of the perfectly altered movement seen in Zapruder.
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:13:51 GMT -6
The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me. Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing over. I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film. THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally. This old copy shows the fake reflection recoiling and pushing back in unison with the headshot very clearly. The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:16:15 GMT -6
Jean Hill saw Greer shoot Kennedy Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis HillMr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard? Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know. Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot? Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned. Mr. SPECTER - And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was? Mrs. HILL - That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down. Mr. SPECTER - Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot? Mrs. HILL - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service? Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back." Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot? Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else. Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from? Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll. Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll? Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't. Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll? Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots? Mrs. HILL - That's right. Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots? Mrs. HILL - No. Jean Hill was looking at the limo when Greer shot Jfk.
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:18:25 GMT -6
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Post by guiltygreer on Jun 23, 2012 15:19:40 GMT -6
Mary took her pic at zframe 309 and in it, the fake blob of white is entirely missing from Roy's head because it was added during alteration to mirror the gun's movement over Greer's shoulder. The gun was not next to his face but near his right shoulder. Connally's reflection is accurately depicted in both the pic and film for authenticity. The fake reflection was NOT added to the nix or muchmore films. THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE TO THE TOP OF THE HEAD.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jun 25, 2012 16:18:24 GMT -6
Sorry, GuiltyG, but I'm going to have to disagree with you. I've been watching these films for the past few days until I'm about sick to my stomach but I'm not seeing what you are seeing. The thing that you call a gun I am seeing as a reflection of sunlight off the top of Kellerman's head. The "gray streak" that you claim was added to the film I am seeing as a reflection of sunlight off the left shoulder of Greer's suit as he turns to look back. The thing you call a fake "two dot hand" I am seeing as a reflection of sunlight off the steering wheel. The entire time that you claim that Greer is pointing a gun backwards at Kennedy I can clearly see Greer's left harm is holding on to the steering wheel with his left hand down towards the bottom of the wheel. I think that you are misinterpreting what you think you are seeing. Here is the moment right as the head shot was being fired and you can clearly see Greer's left hand (circled in red) is down in his lap. You can also see that Connely is in the middle of the car which would put him directly in the line of fire if Greer were trying to shoot Kennedy from the driver's position. ******************************************* In this next film clip you claim that you see Roy Kellerman reaching down to retrieve the gun but what I see is somebody ducking for cover because their are bullets coming at him, which would be a natural reaction for somebody to do. I also see Greer's mouth wide open like he is yelling something which would also seem like a natural reaction since the President had just been shot. He was panicking and trying to get out of there as quickly as he could. ************************************** The assertion that the car came to a complete stop at the same time the head-shot took place is not entirely accurate. The car did slow quite a bit, probably because the driver heard the shots and turned to see what the heck was going on. That would be a natural reaction to somebody who was confused about what was happening, even in spite of his training. Immediately after though, when Greer realized that an assassination was taking place, the car speeded up and took off. The car didn't come to a stop again, as some people stated, to allow a Secret Service agent to push Mrs. Kennedy back into the car. If you look at the film you can see that nobody ever touched Mrs. Kennedy. She climbed onto the trunk to grab a piece of the skull and then climbed back into the back seat. ************************************
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Post by skywalker on Jun 25, 2012 16:22:53 GMT -6
Here is an interesting video that shows evidence that there may have been a conspiracy...either that or gross incompetence on the part of the Secret Service. Why were the agents ordered to back off just before the shots were fired?
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Post by randy on Jun 27, 2012 0:12:42 GMT -6
The type of rifle reportedly used by Oswald was considered to be one of the worst ever invented. Yet Oswald reportedly achieved some great shots with it. There was a shooter on the grass knoll. I recall film of some one running from there on TV at the time. Also Oswald once looked at the TV camera later and said he wanted Mr X to defend him. Who was mr X. was live TV at the time he said that. Then he was killed. the cheap rifle supposedly used by Oswald was a classic mail order gun and as such mail order guns went the way of all good things It was a perk of the assasination that mail order guns were stopped. I liked them myself. Being alive at the time that was all that was on day time TV various films related to the shooting
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 8:05:41 GMT -6
It seems that we can address this subject many times without getting to the bottom of it . Anyone venture to suggest why there possibly was a conspiracy to kill him?
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Post by skywalker on Jul 17, 2012 17:03:41 GMT -6
There are actually more than a dozen possible reasons why there may have been a conspiracy to kill JFK and the conspiracy theorist come up with more of them all the time. I'll list a few of the main ones later on tonight when I have more time. I was in Dallas this past weekend and visited Dealey Plaza and the 6th Floor Museum which used the be the old Book Depository Building. I took some photos which I will post later also.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 9:47:23 GMT -6
Maybe that's why we have so many 'dud' presidents...the good ones make enemies and die
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Post by skywalker on Jul 18, 2012 18:01:22 GMT -6
That's possible, Jo. I remember some wacko did shoot Reagan and he was one of the best. Meanwhile the king clown who is in charge right now hasn't even had a spitwad thrown at him. I guess since the economy is so bad nobody can afford to buy spitwads.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 18:09:20 GMT -6
Lincoln was the best president ever...
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jul 18, 2012 22:13:09 GMT -6
Since I have a little bit of time I can go back and answer the question Jc asked about a decade ago( : : "Anyone venture to suggest why there possibly was a conspiracy to kill him?" As I said before there are at least a dozen theories about possible conspiracies to kill Kennedy. Believe it or not he was not a popular president while he was in office because he was doing things that angered a lot of people. There were still a lot of people who did like him, especially in the news media, but there were many others who were on the opposite side of the fence. Communist sympathizers were angry about the Cuban Missile standoff and the Bay of Pigs invasion where a CIA backed strike force invaded Cuba and tried to oust newly installed communist dictator Fidel Castro. Anti-communists were just as angry about Kennedy's seemingly soft stance against the USSR and his willingness to send food-aid to communist countries. Anti-war activists were angry that Kennedy was sending troops to Vietnam while military supporters were upset that he might have been considering withdrawing troops and ending the war. JFKs attempts to end racial segregation and enact Civil Rights legislation were also stirring up a lot of tensions among blacks and whites, especially in the deep south. All in all the sixties were not all flowers and love beads like some people would like to remember. The women's liberation movement was in full force, the civil rights movement was gaining momentum, the environmentalist movement was becoming popular, the Cold War was well in progress and communism was on the march, organized crime and corrupt labor unions were engaged in a massive effort to gain power...It was a major time of political and social upheaval in the country and this was the boiling cauldron that JFK suddenly found himself thrust into. Unfortunately he would not survive his baptism by fire. Of all of the conspiracy theories I have heard pertaining to the assassination there are three that seem to stand out above the others: organized crime, communist sympathizers and the CIA. I'll briefly discuss some of the pros and cons of each of them. The Organized Crime ConspiracyJFK and his brother Robert, who was the attorney general, were cracking down hard on organized crime, especially the Mafia and the labor unions. They were not only conducting investigations but were getting arrests and convictions. In fact, in 1964 shortly after JFK was assassinated, Teamster Union leader Jimmy Hoffa was sentenced to a five year prison sentence. A lot of people in the mob were getting very upset about the war that was being waged upon them and were determined to fight back any way possible. It is thereby theorized that maybe the assassination could have been some type of a mob hit designed to take out the president. It is possible that the mob and the unions could have wielded enough power and influence to be able to pull something like that off. They no doubt had people placed in the local police forces and they probably also had influence over some greedy politicians who could have pulled a few strings. Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald just a few days after JFK was assassinated had a long history of mob connections and supposedly hinted that there was a mob connection while being interrogated. The fact that Robert Kennedy was also assassinated a few years later also lends credibility to this theory. There are two main problems with the organized crime theory. First is that it is very doubtful, even as influential as they were, that the mob could have pulled enough strings to get the Secret Service to go along with their scheme. The Mafia and the Feds were not exactly on the best of terms since they were constantly at war with one another. The other problem with this theory is that the assassin Oswald does not have any established connections with either the mob or the labor unions so how or why would they have been working with one another to assassinate the President? The Mafia had plenty of hit men at their disposal so why not just use one of them instead of an unknown outsider? There were a few witnesses who claimed to have seen Oswald and Ruby together before the assassination took place but their testimony did not come forward until later on after photos of the two assassins had been plastered all over the news media. Another unanswerable question is why would Jack Ruby kill Oswald in the basement of a police station with cops and news cameras all over the place if he was ordered to do it as a mob hit? He was a well known person and easily recognizable by the police and there was absolutely no chance that he could have gotten away with it. The mafia does not order its people to publicly kill people in front of dozens of news cameras where they have absolutely no chance of getting away with it. All that would do is bring even more unwanted attention in their direction. Because of these peculiarities I really don't think that the organized crime theory holds up to scrutiny. The Pro-Cuba Communist TheoryMany communist sympathizers were very angry with JFK because of the Bay of Pigs invasion and his stance against the USSR. In addition to that, he was taking a very hard-lined position against communism in general which also made a lot of people upset. You might think it wouldn't have been such a big deal here in the United States but believe it or not there are quite a few communist sympathizers here. They mostly keep their beliefs hidden now, except for the one in the White House, but back in the 1960s the Communist movement was much more open. Lee Harvey Oswald was an avowed communist. Not only had he defected to the Soviet Union but when he came back he created his own "chapter" of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Shortly before the assassination he even attempted to defect to Cuba. Could Oswald have been plot of a communist plot to murder the President of the united States? Possibly...but that wouldn't explain the incomprehensible and incompetent actions of the Secret Service or those of Jack Ruby, neither of whom had any communist connections. If there was a communist plot it either had Oswald as one of several shooters, provided information to him as the loan shooter, or it used him as the fall guy for whoever the real shooter (or shooters) were. It doesn't really make any sense though given what we know about who Lee Harvey Oswald was and some of the things he did leading up to and immediately following the assassination. There just really isn't any evidence to support this one. The CIA ConspiracyThis is the grandaddy of all of the conspiracy theories...the one that makes all others pale in comparison. The very notion that people within our own government might actually plot to kill the leader of the nation is a bone-chilling proposition...but not one that was all that far-fetched when you consider what else the CIA was up to at that time. In Vietnam the CIA tortured and murdered thousands of innocent and not so innocent civilians. In Cuba they planned the ill-fated Bay of Pigs invasion and plotted to assassinate Fidel Castro, the newly imposed communist leader. They were also involved in many other assassination attempts in other parts of the world...both successful and unsuccessful. Political assassinations were actually a routinely accepted thing to do back then. At home the CIA was waging war on the country's own citizens by infiltrating political activist groups, stirring up anger and hatred among the different races and ethnic groups, and engaging in the extremely secretive (and totally illegal) Mk-Ultra and other mind-control type experiments. In other words, this American government agency was acting in a decidedly un-American fashion. At the head of this out of control monster of an agency was Allen Dulles. Dulles became head of Central Intelligence in 1953 and quickly began increasing the agency's power and influence. He was instrumental in creating the U2 project and the Mk-Ultra program, as well setting up a world-wide web of intelligence agencies to monitor foreign countries. He ended up being the longest serving director of the CIA and as such had a huge amount of influence in the political and intelligence communities. In 1961, thanks mainly to the negative publicity associated with the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, as well to the bad reputation the CIA was acquiring from the many coupes and assassination plots it was involved in, President Kennedy forced Dulles to resign. Allen Dulles very easily could have been the one to orchestrate the assassination conspiracy as an act of revenge against the president who had fired him. He could have had sympathetic people in the Secret Service order the bullet-proof bubble-top left off of the limousine for the parade through Dallas. It could have been at his direction that the Secret Service agents who were supposed to be riding on the back of the car and walking beside the President were ordered to back off right at the moment of the shooting. It could have been him and his co-conspirators who orchestrated the assassination and arranged to have several shooters in place in Dealey Plaza. It could also have been Dulles who helped to cover up the investigation by getting himself appointed to the Warren Commission which later investigated the assassination. He had the power and the influence to do it...the question is...did he? There is a lot of evidence both for and against the theory of a plot by multiple assassins to kill JFK. There is also evidence both for and against Lee Harvey Oswald as having been the, or one of the shooters. There will probably still be people arguing about these things a hundred years from now. The one thing that is for certain is that the government did a horrible job of protecting the President that day. They did an even worse job of investigating the incident. Their actions in both matters were unbelievably incompetent and suspicious and because of that there will always be conspiracy theories about what really happened that fateful day in Dallas when the country's innocence was shattered by an assassin's bullet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 23:18:29 GMT -6
Well not to forget the Lyndon B Johnson theory..which was allegedly mentioned by Jackie also. JFK had embarrassed the good ole boy a couple of times and well..you know those Texans..(pride). Seriously..there was much talk about him having it done.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 19, 2012 10:17:22 GMT -6
Yup, the LBJ conspiracy is one. Then there is also the New Orleans conspiracy, the Castro conspiracy, the anti-Castro conspiracy, the FBI conspiracy, the Secret Service conspiracy, the military-industrial conspiracy, the Israeli conspiracy, the Iranian conspiracy, the Soviet conspiracy and the drug cartel conspiracy...and that still doesn't name all of them. Conspiracy theorists have no shortage of conspiracy theories.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 21, 2012 14:20:04 GMT -6
Here are some of the photos that I took while I was at Dealey Plaza last weekend. This is the Old Texas Schoolbook Depository Building. The window that Oswald fired the shots fom is the last square window to the far right on the same row with the windows with the rounded tops. That's what they call the sniper's nest. Here is a closeup view of the window. you can see one of the boxes stacked on the windowsill. That's what he rested the rifle on when he fired the shots. The sixth floor of the building is now a museum that is dedicated to documenting and informing the public about what happened the day of the assassination. The area around the window has boxes stacked around it as a recreation of what it looked like back in 1963. This is the spot of the road where the presidential limousine was when the fatal shot was fired. Directly across the street is the infamous grassy knoll where some people claim a second shooter was hiding. They think somebody may have been standing behind the picket fence or crouching down behind the concrete wall...or both. This here is the triple overpass that the car was about to drive under when the shots were fired. Some conspiracy theorists believe that a shooter may have been up on the overpass but I seriously doubt it. There was a bystander standing by the sidewalk at the base of the overpass and he was hit in the face by a fragment of a bullet that struck the sidewalk right in front of him. Investigators believe that was the first shot that was fired by Oswald and that it may have been deflected by a tree branch. I personally don't agree with that theory either. There seemed to be a lot more bullets flying around than the three claimed by the Warren Commission...another reason why people believe there was a conspiracy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 23:26:02 GMT -6
And..not to forget the Kennedy 'curse'...I don't believe in curses but I have to admit it does seem like that family is just snake bit. The story went that Joseph kennedy (JFK's dad) was one of the most powerful senator's in D.C. during the time of WWll. At that time the jewish community in USA was lobbying strongly for the us military to bomb the railroads leading to the camps and to destroy the camps so that the nazi war machine could not continue to massacre millions. The lubavitch community appealed to Joe Kennedy. He refused to give support to our plea, his excuse along with most of political/military america was that this would divert to much military power which could be better used to conquer the german army and thus more speedily end the war. The Frierdiker Rebbe then cursed Joe Kennedy that he would watch all his children die in his lifetime. There is also a tale that Fidel Castro employed powerful witches to place a curse of his own on the kennedy family. Cursed by Jews and Cubans and who all knows what..it's a sad luck family and the recent death of Mary was just one more burden for them. Chronologically, their tragedies: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_tragedies
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DEADnGONE
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Still have this damn illness to put up with. Not terminal,can be seen as good or bad, depending
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Post by DEADnGONE on Oct 25, 2012 17:46:09 GMT -6
There was no plotting, planning, or I hate to use the word "conspiracies", to kill JFK, if he was to be killed, there are a lot of ways to do the job bck then and now, pin it on someone else, if needed, and get away, like the men on the grassy knoll, did and never be thought about. Oswald might have been caught, Ruby certainly killed him, oh I wonder why?, When it could have ben done much more quitely and without half the freeworld watching. No, aliens were not involved. Wonder what some military types had been doing with time on their hands?
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Post by skywalker on Oct 26, 2012 22:24:43 GMT -6
The more I read about it the more I am convinced the CIA was involved in the assassination. I think Oswald was definitely one of the shooters but I also think he was picked to be the fall guy. It was all orchestrated by the CIA. They murdered the president and they got away with it. Stupid CIA.
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Post by randy on Oct 29, 2012 0:29:45 GMT -6
It should really hinge on the rifle Oswald supposedly used to shot Kennedy. A carcano is a badly designed rifle and if you are going to shoot the president you would pick a gun that would do the job. price would not be considered in this situation. A mid range hunting rifle with a decent scope was in the financial means of Oswald. A cheap piece of junk would not be considered if he was serious about the job. It would however be used in a staged event. It was a prop nothing more. would Oswald have been concerned over the cost of a good gun considering the event he was allegedly planning. NO. he would want something he could count on. Who ever set this up also wanted to do away with mail order guns and thus the Carcano was chosed as a classic example of such. As a prop it did not have to be expensive or accurate just there. Penny pinching makes sense in this case. REmember that one of Oswalds alleged bullets was supposedly found on the stretcher not in Kennedy. Anyone could have dropped it there. At the time I saw on TV film of some one running from the grass knoll and film of people on the over pass leaving that. Who were they and where is the film who was mister X that Oawald refered to on TV I heard him say that.
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Post by skywalker on Oct 29, 2012 7:04:20 GMT -6
Oswald wasn't planning to kill the Prez when he bought the rifle. He just wanted to kill a "high ranking public figure" who could have been just about anybody. The first person he actually tried to shoot was a former Army general named Edwin Walker. This took place in April, 1963 which was months before Kennedy was even thinking about going to Dallas. He missed his target when the bullet was deflected off a window frame.
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Post by randy on Oct 30, 2012 1:00:34 GMT -6
Assuming it was Oswald note that he missed his target How was this linked to Oswald? did they find a bullet they could match to the Carcano? My father was involved in the Kennedy investigation and I read secret files that he had and it was interesting reading about the grassy knoll
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