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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 15, 2011 0:07:56 GMT -6
The cops are moving in now to arrest all the protestors. I watching it all unfold.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 15, 2011 1:34:35 GMT -6
They are now throwing all the tents and protestor belongings into a trash heap and workers are throwing into a dump truck. All the streets are blocked with police cars and trucks, riot police. You hear the roar of protestors slowly fade. I guess they are hauling them off in busses.
It looks like a police state. Hard to believe that's America.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 11:09:46 GMT -6
According to what I've read and heard on the radio the police had to cart the protesters away in order to get rid of the lice and fleas and all the poop on the streets because it was a public health issue.
From what I've heard, after they cart the protesters away they are going to clean and scrub the area then allow them to go back. It is a temporary evacuation which was done in order to prevent disease from spreading.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 11:47:13 GMT -6
That's what I heard too Lorelei..but seldom do people think of the unsanitary aspect of these gatherings. There are no facilities for waste or for washing bodies..and it does begin to present a problem. The protesters were also aware that this was the issue but they wanted the conflict as it draws more attention. Sometimes..we just don't get all aspects of a story
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Post by skywalker on Nov 15, 2011 19:20:44 GMT -6
They were breaking the law by being there in the first place. The only reason they have been allowed to stay is because they are promoting Obama's anti-private business agenda. The protestors are pushing it too far though. Their constant conflicts with the police are starting to give them a bed reputation and that does not make Obama and the Democrats look good. It was only a matter of time before things got out of control.
Personally, I think this is what Obama wants. The more conflict there is in the country the more opportunities there will be for the government to expand their power. The Communists and the Nazis used the same tactics. They worked before so why not use them again?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 22:32:31 GMT -6
Sometimes the exuberant protesters are doing government work and remain just clueless. It's a bit like the whole UFO thing. Why would they want to shut people up? The more we jump up and down and present really bizarre sounding stuff with no proof..the less we are taken seriously. Why in the world would they want to disclose anything when playing dumb has worked just fine so far. The only thing that will give any credence to UFOlogy are decent, respectable investigators who remain UNAFFILIATED with UFO organizations who push their own agendas. Instead of talking about the hive of insectoids that landed in the farmers field and ate his prized Holsteins..use big words like 'alleged alien activity' and possible sightings and 'investigation of an abduction account'. Maybe we are UFO nuts but we don't have to sound like UFO idiots
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 15, 2011 23:48:01 GMT -6
They were breaking the law by being there in the first place. The only reason they have been allowed to stay is because they are promoting Obama's anti-private business agenda. The protestors are pushing it too far though. Their constant conflicts with the police are starting to give them a bed reputation and that does not make Obama and the Democrats look good. It was only a matter of time before things got out of control. Personally, I think this is what Obama wants. The more conflict there is in the country the more opportunities there will be for the government to expand their power. The Communists and the Nazis used the same tactics. They worked before so why not use them again? I don't think partisan politics had anything to do with it but rather economic inequality and and what is perceived as a lack of fairness in how the affluent were bailed out during the financial crises and a squeeze was put on the little guy. It's no coincidence that there have been protest all around the world. A lot of it has to do with greed IMO. It's just Billionaires and bad news these days so the protestors have a point but I'm afraid it will all be in vain. I think big corporations and what we term the military-industrial complex are going to the future governments. People are more or less a consumer class with no real say in government.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 15, 2011 23:59:22 GMT -6
According to what I've read and heard on the radio the police had to cart the protesters away in order to get rid of the lice and fleas and all the poop on the streets because it was a public health issue. From what I've heard, after they cart the protesters away they are going to clean and scrub the area then allow them to go back. It is a temporary evacuation which was done in order to prevent disease from spreading. History often repeats itself and the filthy lazy bum criticism was used against the counter culture movement of the late 60s. Minorities were not referred too nicely either during the civil rights movement. As far as the park it really didn't smell that worse than the rest of NY. Homeless people you see on the subway smell a lot worse. If politicians were smart they would have let them stay at the new 9-11 memorial. Put that shrine to good use.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 16, 2011 5:01:28 GMT -6
The only thing that will give any credence to UFOlogy are decent, respectable investigators who remain UNAFFILIATED with UFO organizations who push their own agendas. The problem with science is if you are not part of the club then anything you research will not be legitimized. They put a stop to UFO's with the Condon Report. Debunker explanations are okay but ET's piloting UFO's is very taboo. A career ender. But the real power rest with the people in order to instigate change. You can see that by reading witness harassment cases. There could easily be a snowball effect and now the pressure is on the government to come clean instead of deniability and cover stories. You need more activism and more witnesses going public with their accounts, describing in detail what they observed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 11:04:23 GMT -6
According to what I've been reading there was a "rancid outbreak" of scabies (an irritating skin rash caused by a burrowing parasite), lung ailments (some believe tuberculosis), and lice at Zuccotti Park and that's why they had to clean it out.
Authorities are saying that the protesters are allowed to return to the park, but they are not allowed to bring their tents and generators with them because by camping out there they are preventing others from using and enjoying the park. They are saying that everyone has a right to use the park, not just the protesters and it is against the law to prevent other people from enjoying the park.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 15:59:32 GMT -6
I don't see that we need to do anything when it comes to UFO's or visitors from other dimensions or space. When it suits their agenda..I think they will take care of disclosure and at least we'll be hearing the truth instead of a lot of speculation or poor accounts of accounts of accounts. Or is it just to validate to the world what we already know? Uh..they're here. Can't force people's beliefs and we don't know ourselves what we're peddling...other than something that definitely doesn't look like it's from around here..is hanging around snagging up adults and kids..experimenting (catch and release) maybe sometimes carving up animals..and in general cruising our air space. Can anyone actually say with any proof behind them...who, what, where or why? I can't and I was one of their guinea pigs. I've shared what I remember...tried not to exploit it or over develop it and yet I can't really tell you what it is I'm remembering. I can guess at it..I can share my 'feelings' about it but I don't know who they are or where they come from or why there are here. We don't know that any of the accounts of 'interaction' with them are accurate. Do they lie? Joke? Try to make us look like fools? What we don't know is a lot more than what we know I'm afraid. I don't want them to be here...I don't like them but what if my memories are shaded by the child and the teenage girl I was when it happened? It's safe here chatting and sharing with people who understand..it's not safe trying to make the world believe what they don't want to believe
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Post by skywalker on Nov 16, 2011 17:22:27 GMT -6
Very true, Jo. I still really know what's going on either. I just know that something is. That's more than most people know so I guess it's better than nothing .
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Post by skywalker on Nov 16, 2011 17:40:11 GMT -6
I don't think partisan politics had anything to do with it but rather economic inequality and and what is perceived as a lack of fairness in how the affluent were bailed out during the financial crises and a squeeze was put on the little guy. It's no coincidence that there have been protest all around the world. A lot of it has to do with greed IMO. It's just Billionaires and bad news these days so the protesters have a point but I'm afraid it will all be in vain. I think big corporations and what we term the military-industrial complex are going to the future governments. People are more or less a consumer class with no real say in government. Politics had everything to do with it. Maybe not partisan politics since almost all politicians from both parties are involved in it. Why do you think the affluent people are being bailed out? The government takes money away from the people and gives it to their rich buddies who then give some of it to the politicians so they can gain more power, then the politicians pass laws that take more money away from the people and give it to their rich buddies...and the cycle just keeps repeating itself. The people who become wealthy are the ones that give the politicians what they want and the politicians who become powerful are the ones who give their wealthy allies what they want. It's just a big money laundering scheme. They take money from private citizens and give it to themselves. The Occupy Wall Street movement and all the others are designed to turn public opinion against private businesses even though many of those same private businesses are in bed with the politicians. The politicians want the power to choose who will and will not succeed, and the ones who become successful will be the ones who give the politicians what they want. It's typical corporate/political fascism and it's the average tax payer who gets screwed because we don't have the money or power to influence anything.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 16, 2011 19:56:47 GMT -6
According to what I've been reading there was a "rancid outbreak" of scabies (an irritating skin rash caused by a burrowing parasite), lung ailments (some believe tuberculosis), and lice at Zuccotti Park and that's why they had to clean it out. Authorities are saying that the protesters are allowed to return to the park, but they are not allowed to bring their tents and generators with them because by camping out there they are preventing others from using and enjoying the park. They are saying that everyone has a right to use the park, not just the protesters and it is against the law to prevent other people from enjoying the park. nah..actually pass by that park every week. They are just kids, some are into marxism or anarchy but it's getting cold so it's probably for the best.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 16, 2011 20:04:02 GMT -6
Politics had everything to do with it. Maybe not partisan politics since almost all politicians from both parties are involved in it. Why do you think the affluent people are being bailed out?... Skywalker you live in the backwards conservative Bible belt North Texas where there is like 30 conservative talk radio programs. You have to be careful not to be brain washed. If you notice protest were happening all over the world. In Europe the protest were more violent. It's about growing disparity. I think the oil, OPEC commodities people are really to blame and if you want to play politics there are neo-con connections there. I think this is why UFO disclosure is important. To undermine those greedy bastards who are destroying the environment.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 16, 2011 20:13:57 GMT -6
I don't see that we need to do anything when it comes to UFO's or visitors from other dimensions or space. When it suits their agenda..I think they will take care of disclosure and at least we'll be hearing the truth instead of a lot of speculation or poor accounts of accounts of accounts. Or is it just to validate to the world what we already know? Uh..they're here. Can't force people's beliefs and we don't know ourselves what we're peddling...other than something that definitely doesn't look like it's from around here..is hanging around snagging up adults and kids..experimenting (catch and release) maybe sometimes carving up animals..and in general cruising our air space. Can anyone actually say with any proof behind them...who, what, where or why? I can't and I was one of their guinea pigs. I've shared what I remember...tried not to exploit it or over develop it and yet I can't really tell you what it is I'm remembering. I can guess at it..I can share my 'feelings' about it but I don't know who they are or where they come from or why there are here. We don't know that any of the accounts of 'interaction' with them are accurate. Do they lie? Joke? Try to make us look like fools? What we don't know is a lot more than what we know I'm afraid. I don't want them to be here...I don't like them but what if my memories are shaded by the child and the teenage girl I was when it happened? It's safe here chatting and sharing with people who understand..it's not safe trying to make the world believe what they don't want to believe Jokelly it's a catch-22. There has been a lot of interesting cases and I think there is a plethora of evidence that indicates a space faring ET race. The problem is there is a cover-up. Yes, UFO's are trivialized for a reason but that's the cover-up system we live in. A serious UFO researcher isn't going to change anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 21:45:00 GMT -6
Well..I agree that there is enough evidence.. unsupported or not..that we're visited by either space faring or dimensional beings...maybe both. I agree that there could be a cover up..probably is a cover up but that's where our directions shift. I think possibly that the 'government' hasn't a clue of how to deal with or if necessary..how to eradicate these 'visitors'. If they consider us a lower form (and there is much to suggest that) then our politicians aren't any higher up the ladder than we are..and wouldn't be treated with any more respect. So..if you were in their political shoes..would you want to admit you can't take care of the people you are sworn to protect? Good way to get lynched at least politically. In a perfect world..all information would be made available to the people. We don't know the circumstances at all. Is there a threat we don't know of? A demand to keep silent? Did they cruise into town and spread the world to keep mum or else? Too much we don't know. I think the only brainwashing that might work on Skywalker would be 'other worldly'...not biblical LOL
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 19, 2011 0:41:07 GMT -6
I regret not handing out UFO propaganda to the young protestors. People need to realize the implications of an ET/UFO cover-up. It's no laughing matter considering how things are getting worse for the average person.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 1, 2011 22:43:48 GMT -6
Looks like I was a little too quick to condemn all of those protesters. They don't appear to be so dumb after all. We should help the poor dudes out. ;D Occupy Wall Street Turns on Barack Obama
By Mark Whittington | 12/1/2011 news.yahoo.com/occupy-wall-street-turns-barack-obama-225702752.html;_ylt=AiENtgXXhjodZoaTUAza1OHyWed_;_ylu=X3oDMTRvY2hmcmpmBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91BHBrZwNkNWQ5NzI1MS0wNTE3LTNmYmEtOWNiYy04ZmFhMmFlZWFjNjEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA25ld3NfZm9yX3lvdQR2ZXIDYzgxMTczODAtMWM2Zi0xMWUxLWFmZmQtZDNmOWRlOWJhZGU0;_ylg=X3oDMTNjcHQ3NmVtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNTAzMjg2ZTAtYzgyZi0zYTRiLTlkM2ItZGRlODBmY2M4N2JiBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxsYXRpbiBhbWVyaWNhBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3 "Even though President Barack Obama has tried to embrace the Occupy Wall Street movement, the favor has not been returned. This was in evidence last night when the president was at a fund raiser in New York, according to the New York Times.
About a 100 occupiers marched near the Sheraton Hotel near 53rd and Seventh Street, carrying signs, and shouting accusations against the president for being, in their view, a corporate puppet. This is an astonishing development for a president who rode to the Oval Office on the themes of "hope and change" with the ovations of some of the same people ringing in his ears who are now jeering at him. Such are the fortunes of politics
This comes on the heels of an incident a week ago in which Occupy Wall Street protestors heckled the president during a speech in Manchester, New Hampshire. At the time, Obama tried to identify himself with the protestors, according to ABC News, by talking about how the American dream was, "slipping away."
Apparently Occupy Wall Street is having none of it. This suggests that there is deep discontent for the president from the far left. Almost three years after Obama was sworn into office, economic malaise persists. The promise of hope and change has become the reality of anxiety and despair.
Obama's hope of somehow harnessing the Occupy Wall Street movement as a left-wing of the tea party is a pipe dream. Obama was yesterday's messiah. He has turned out to be a false prophet and his erstwhile supporters are out for revenge."
I like that last paragraph the best. ;D I wonder if they turned against the Prez because of all of the arrests that have taken place recently? I don't remember them ever criticizing him before that.
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