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Post by bewildered on Jan 17, 2011 21:34:42 GMT -6
I don't put any stock in predictions, let alone results culled from the web by bots. I have a number of reasons for this, and most hinge upon human nature and the desire people have for seeing what they want to see when they want to see it. The other rests squarely upon the shoulders of probability, which is all that we really have to work with when "forecasting" anything...be it the weather, the stock market, or the behavior of Joe Blow from Pocono. A virtually infinite host of variables affect all three from my example. People don't understand themselves...how can anyone then objectively quantify something on the magnitude of probability? I am continually amazed at how people repeatedly engage in magical thinking...assigning an effect to a cause when no objective evidence exists to even suggest an effect in the first place. It seems that the effect itself is generated by a belief system...and in an effort to lend validation to the effect, a cause is searched for. Thus people make mountains of molehills, vodka from rainwater, and day out of night. There is something to be said for viewing a storm as a storm, and nothing else. It is only there that cause and effect, if they exist, can be discerned. When you go hunting for ducks, anything that moves out in the water tends to look like a duck to you.
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Post by sansseed on Jan 18, 2011 11:47:42 GMT -6
Bewildered, I agree with you about the ability to predict. There are many variables, and most of the time we just don't know enough to make any viable predictions. Yet, I find the thought of using the web to get a "pulse" of the population somewhat fascinating. I see it, if done right, as tapping in the the collective conscious. I mean, ever day we are putting out our thoughts and feelings into the cyber world. We do it in so many forms, such as this forum, emails, blogs, commentary to articles, etc. Then a program goes out and gathers information via word frequency (*angry*, frustrated vs. happy, content). Can we not then get somewhat of an idea of what a population is thinking or feeling?
Now, can this info be used to predict an event? No, but maybe our reactions or behaviors to something, such as the mass bird deaths. IMO, if I was the government, I would be using this technology to my advantage.
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Post by bewildered on Jan 18, 2011 12:44:18 GMT -6
Bewildered, I agree with you about the ability to predict. There are many variables, and most of the time we just don't know enough to make any viable predictions. Yet, I find the thought of using the web to get a "pulse" of the population somewhat fascinating. I see it, if done right, as tapping in the the collective conscious. I mean, ever day we are putting out our thoughts and feelings into the cyber world. We do it in so many forms, such as this forum, emails, blogs, commentary to articles, etc. Then a program goes out and gathers information via word frequency (*angry*, frustrated vs. happy, content). Can we not then get somewhat of an idea of what a population is thinking or feeling? Now, can this info be used to predict an event? No, but maybe our reactions or behaviors to something, such as the mass bird deaths. IMO, if I was the government, I would be using this technology to my advantage. Oh, rest assured that they do, sanseed. If I learned anything useful during my time in their employ, it is this: the federal government loves to duck hunt. They wrote the manual, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 15:18:51 GMT -6
Sometimes a storm IS just a storm. That doesn't mean that it will always be. There are linear thinkers and there are those to follow a different route to an objective. I still like the thought that it takes all kinds. I believe some people have the 'skill' to predict but I also think they're not given the gift lightly and it's not always as cut and dried as we'd like to have it. But....back to 'big brother' may he learn things of personal interest as he's watching. They may indeed be government employees, lets be kind and use the word 'observing'..that doesn't preclude them from having lives apart from their jobs. As fathers, husbands, wives, mothers, people with mortgages to pay and people trying to find the means to survive here as the rest of us are. People who also look for answers. I see them that way..and while I may not care for politicians (and I don't) and I don't trust the government...I don't see government workers as sinister. I just see more people to someday see UFO's
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Post by bewildered on Jan 18, 2011 18:39:45 GMT -6
Sometimes a storm IS just a storm. That doesn't mean that it will always be. There are linear thinkers and there are those to follow a different route to an objective. I still like the thought that it takes all kinds. I believe some people have the 'skill' to predict but I also think they're not given the gift lightly and it's not always as cut and dried as we'd like to have it. But....back to 'big brother' may he learn things of personal interest as he's watching. They may indeed be government employees, lets be kind and use the word 'observing'..that doesn't preclude them from having lives apart from their jobs. As fathers, husbands, wives, mothers, people with mortgages to pay and people trying to find the means to survive here as the rest of us are. People who also look for answers. I see them that way..and while I may not care for politicians (and I don't) and I don't trust the government...I don't see government workers as sinister. I just see more people to someday see UFO's Emphasis above is mine, as I feel that is a good, balanced perspective to work from. The truth of the matter is, we see pretty much what we want to see most of the time...and this holds true for everyone, government employee or Joe Blow from Pocono. Reality is always more complicated than we conceptualize, and at the same time much more simple than we realize. The simple part: we are seeing what we want to see. The complicated part: everyone else is seeing what they want to see, too. What we consider as absolutes only exist as such in our own subjective universe.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 18, 2011 20:25:31 GMT -6
Well, whatever it is whoever is doing, they are stepping it up. We now have 17 IP's from Mountain View, and 6 have returned from Ashburn. That's over a third of all of the guests coming here. My computer crashed last night also. It got infected with something. Coincidence?
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Post by auntym on Jan 18, 2011 20:33:54 GMT -6
Well, whatever it is whoever is doing, they are stepping it up. We now have 17 IP's from Mountain View, and 6 have returned from Ashburn. That's over a third of all of the guests coming here. My computer crashed last night also. It got infected with something. Coincidence? don't say crash....my computer is sensitive & might take you up on it....LOL.... just welcome them with open arms.....
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Post by charles on Mar 29, 2012 16:46:07 GMT -6
Hi all ! Just read this thread & have a question (if you can remember this far back Sky ;D ;D ;D !!) about the IP addresses. Especially the ones in the UK. From what I gather about our respective law enforcement & intelligence agencies, we are not allowed to gather information on our own people. Thus you guys over the pond monitor our stuff then feed the intel to our people for acting upon and vice versa ! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by skywalker on Mar 29, 2012 19:29:50 GMT -6
Not being allowed to do it and not doing it are entirely different things. I don't think a few piddly little rules would stop Big Brother...especially since he makes the rules. I have since then found out that the IPs from Mountain View actually belong to Google rather than some sinister government agency. The IPs from Virginia are the sinister ones.
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Post by randy on May 27, 2012 11:58:47 GMT -6
Priot to WWII when we an an enigma code machine and were reading axis messages the President was taken off the list of the people allowed to read the data obtained. he was judged untrustworthy for a period of time. Far from being united at the time two rival groups developed in military intel. One in DC and one in Hawaii. At one point each group issued Halsey conflicting orders. DC told him stay in the south pacific while Hawaii told him to come there. he went to Hawaii and was relieved of command "for a nervous disorder" Hawaii was right and we won the battle of Midway as a result. DC was wrong. The point is that in intel rival groups develop fighting for power and even the president some times is denied info as untrustworthy. The same could apply to UFO study by the govt. the president is probably out of the loop.
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Post by jarmen71 on Jul 14, 2012 20:26:39 GMT -6
Well, there have been a few interesting developments since I broke the news that a half-dozen IP addresses from Ashburn, Virginia were watching us as guests. I speculated that they might have been feds since there is an FBI training center there. Immediately after I reported that all of the IPs from Ashburn have stopped watching us. Now there is not a single Ashburn IP anywhere. There is now, however, 13 different IP addresses from Mountain View, California. All in one day. What does this mean? I'm not sure. I did a google search on the FBI again and there is no FBI office in Mountain View, but there is one just a few miles away in Palo Alto. It's possible the IP locator could have been off by a few miles. Or maybe I'm just reaching for straws here. Who knows? It was just a thought. Maybe it never had anything to do with the feds, since there are other possibilities. What is really interesting now though, is that my grand parents used to live in Mountain View, California...and so did I for a brief period of time when I was just a baby. What are the odds of that happening? Forty years after I used to live there a bunch of Mountain View IP addresses are suddenly popping up on my forum. I wonder what's going to happen next? Perhaps an IP scrambler?
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Post by jarmen71 on Jul 14, 2012 20:33:17 GMT -6
Well, I have never been a paranoid person, except in the dark. ;D
you would really have to search out this board or perhaps my internet surfing skills are dying but it was harder for me to find.
This is the only reason that I refrain from posting sometimes. Especially the sensitive stuff. Last thing I need is someone at my door asking me questions or running tests on me like a lab rat. (poor rats)
Perhaps, 2012, is scaring people and agencies enough that they are searching for someone that knows what is going to happen so they can plan. If they don't already know that is.
That being said...I stand behind what I say and always have. I am glad that I live in America where our freedom of speech that our forefathers had so grandly ensured us is still upheld. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 15:27:02 GMT -6
Priot to WWII when we an an enigma code machine and were reading axis messages the President was taken off the list of the people allowed to read the data obtained. he was judged untrustworthy for a period of time. Far from being united at the time two rival groups developed in military intel. One in DC and one in Hawaii. At one point each group issued Halsey conflicting orders. DC told him stay in the south pacific while Hawaii told him to come there. he went to Hawaii and was relieved of command "for a nervous disorder" Hawaii was right and we won the battle of Midway as a result. DC was wrong. The point is that in intel rival groups develop fighting for power and even the president some times is denied info as untrustworthy. The same could apply to UFO study by the govt. the president is probably out of the loop. I don't know where you get your information, Randy, but I wanted to verify that I know a part of this is true. To this day we have one group in DC and another group in Hawaii. They (of course) do talk to each other, but yes, there are also internal "squabbles", and secrets kept from each other. This is just the way things are. Sometimes it is a "good thing".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 15:34:53 GMT -6
Well, whatever it is whoever is doing, they are stepping it up. We now have 17 IP's from Mountain View, and 6 have returned from Ashburn. That's over a third of all of the guests coming here. My computer crashed last night also. It got infected with something. Coincidence? don't say crash....my computer is sensitive & might take you up on it....LOL.... just welcome them with open arms..... I agree with the welcome . They already know that if they "shut you down" that would be very suspicious. If I were them, and didn't like some of the things said on here, I would try to infiltrate the place with "disinformation" or some other type distraction. ;D Take some comfort in that it has all been done before
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Post by paulette on Jul 16, 2012 12:40:17 GMT -6
To the hunched over, squinting at the screen all day folks monitoring us....try to have a life. Go outside, jump in a lake (in a good way), take a trip. Do not, repeat, DO NOT think about any of the weird stories you have read here and elsewhere. They are all made up by attention seeking crazies. Go out to that remote cabin and kick back. Drive yourself and your family off the main road and out of sight. Go out in the middle of the night on the deck and have a smoke. Nothing to worry about. No reason to watch sky or wonder why you woke up and what that bright light shining in the window is.
But just in case your masters are WRONG and we are not paranoid but actually responding to real stimulus that happened to us - you are welcome to come back here and tell your stories. Or go to the police UFO sighting site from Australia. And know that other young techies as sure about things are you WERE will be reading your posts and smirking. And if you tell anyone you WILL NOT have the career you thought you would.
Come back anytime ya'll. Love to hear about your vacation....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 21:40:06 GMT -6
Or...we understand you're just doing a job that you're probably getting minimum wage for..I'm sure that your family needs it. I think there have been many times I thought I was crazy because of the incidents I have memory of...and maybe I am..tell me the definition of sane in today's world please. I'm sure you have no personal interest in the state of my sanity but if you're going to repeat anything I've said..feel free to embellish the he11out of it..make it a good one and I hope you get a bonus because I'm sure you'd rather be at a ball game with your kid. I wish you well..
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Post by skywalker on Jul 16, 2012 22:00:48 GMT -6
To the hunched over, squinting at the screen all day folks monitoring us....try to have a life. Go outside, jump in a lake (in a good way), take a trip. Do not, repeat, DO NOT think about any of the weird stories you have read here and elsewhere. They are all made up by attention seeking crazies. Go out to that remote cabin and kick back. Drive yourself and your family off the main road and out of sight. Go out in the middle of the night on the deck and have a smoke. Nothing to worry about. No reason to watch sky or wonder why you woke up and what that bright light shining in the window is. But just in case your masters are WRONG and we are not paranoid but actually responding to real stimulus that happened to us - you are welcome to come back here and tell your stories. Or go to the police UFO sighting site from Australia. And know that other young techies as sure about things are you WERE will be reading your posts and smirking. And if you tell anyone you WILL NOT have the career you thought you would. Come back anytime ya'll. Love to hear about your vacation.... Nice, Paulette. I like it. ;D Our everpresent invisble Fed buddies are always welcome to join in the conversations here. Then other Feds could spy on them.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 16, 2012 22:03:11 GMT -6
Or...we understand you're just doing a job that you're probably getting minimum wage for..I'm sure that your family needs it. I think there have been many times I thought I was crazy because of the incidents I have memory of...and maybe I am..tell me the definition of sane in today's world please. I'm sure you have no personal interest in the state of my sanity but if you're going to repeat anything I've said..feel free to embellish the he11out of it..make it a good one and I hope you get a bonus because I'm sure you'd rather be at a ball game with your kid. I wish you well.. Just think, Jo...those guys are actually getting paid to read this stuff while we sit here all day doing it for free.
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Post by lois on Jul 16, 2012 23:02:36 GMT -6
I was not going to tell this as maybe my computer has lost it's mind But for several months now when I shut my compute down, it goes through the drives fine, when a blue screen come on and it reads shutting down . For a quick second, I have to be ready to read it quick, and I mean quick. It goes to a black screen. and read something like this JACK SAYS YOUR DEAD. OR YOUR DEAD.. FROM JACK I have not been watching it shut down lately, I leave my computer too soon. Now how could something come on my computer when it is almost shut off. It bugs me. could it be a virus?. I mean I have done 20 to 30 Norton scans since this started. Nothing comes up, but a few cookies from time to time. I have never even had Norton quarantine a thing. I stay on very few websites and most of you know who those are. I will watch it shutdown tonight and see if the critter pops on . I have a blue screen on shut down and this is a coal black screen with large bold block white letters. for an instant only.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 9:41:38 GMT -6
You guys have heard me talk about things like this in the past. Someone putting stupid mesages on my PC, and I can't trace them.
I used to have some stranger that would IM me, after I had been on with a friend. Really creepy.
Lois, I agree that someone may have gotten your "address" from some other web site. It makes sense to me with all the talk lately about intrusions. . .
The question is, who do they randomly pick to hassle? One of these days I believe its going to seriously backfire on them!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 9:45:05 GMT -6
I don't know what that would be Lois unless it's a malicious virus. If you haven't run a malware scan in awhile..you might want to. I know even with as good a virus protection as I have..some malware sneaks in so I run an avg malware too every so often. It's free and catches a lot of stuff. There are programs that come in on email attachments that gives the sender a way into your computer. Don't economize with your virus protection because usually it's not the government it's some little dude in a 3'd world country that wants your information.
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Post by lois on Jul 17, 2012 14:14:19 GMT -6
I ran a full scan yesterday. This computer has two computers in it. There is one on D drive. It is not usable less I wash out the first computer and download D over in its place. I have done this twice. The copy always stays on D. So If I get problems I can do this. But saving everything is impossible. I do save as much as I can find on it. lol missing folders for example. As stupid me forgets the name of my own folders . Once I did get a trojan horse from facebook and two babies ran over into D. A computer brain I know works at a computer co. he said.. you have a new computer everytime you do this. but of course the hard drive is still the same. He said ALWAYS SCAN BOTH DRIVES .. Even if the other is not used. As those trojans came from the horse and went into D. It said crash dive is all when it went down . I finally turned the computer on again after a week and it ask me Do you want to download D. Boy was I happy as the crash dive back screen is all I could get .. I could not get inside the computer to do, I was fried .
That is why I stated I did a full scan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 16:49:58 GMT -6
That's very complicated Lois and your virus protection shouldn't be allowing them in at all. The one I have scans all email and updates itself every 12 hours. I get notices that it's stopped this or that attack and it warns me of websites that aren't safe to be on. It's also the free version of AVG. I do have a Norton that's a great protection too but I keep losing the darned disc. I am not very organized lately There must be a way to purge the one drive so that you don't have two to worry about. Every so often I buy an external drive and make copies of everything that's important to me so that if my pc goes down I still have copies of passwords and urls that I don't want to lose. They cost about $5.00 but I sure like having the security of a back up
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Post by randy on Jul 18, 2012 0:21:37 GMT -6
Given the resources of the federal govt they can over come any commercial virus protection. they can break into the computers of the Iranian govt after all. Speaking of watching I am reminded that my nephew was on the roof of a tall building in San Rafael with some friends when a security guard walked up to him and said "They are watching you because of the aliens" Then the guard walked away. my nephew was left in shock and feeling paranoid looked about him but saw nothing of note. yet it was a warning that some one was watching him. What would motivate the guard to warn him is a question.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 0:44:02 GMT -6
Given the resources of the federal govt they can over come any commercial virus protection. they can break into the computers of the Iranian govt after all. Speaking of watching I am reminded that my nephew was on the roof of a tall building in San Rafael with some friends when a security guard walked up to him and said "They are watching you because of the aliens" Then the guard walked away. my nephew was left in shock and feeling paranoid looked about him but saw nothing of note. yet it was a warning that some one was watching him. What would motivate the guard to warn him is a question. To keep him silent?
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Post by randy on Jul 19, 2012 0:33:14 GMT -6
At one time my nephew was living in the San Rafael area with a friend and went to the kitchen sink to get a drink at night when there was a blue flash out side and he ducked down in surprize. Carefully looking out he could see a man sitting in the window of a neighboring house hunched over some thing that looked like an elaborate camera. Behind the hunched over man another man was walking back forth in the room waving his arms in agitation. To my nephew it looked like a stake out of some kind and he pulled the shade on his window. This is the same house were JOHN apparently followed by sister to in an tried to intimidate her and her son.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 9:48:46 GMT -6
I am always amazed when someone reports something like that and I'm glad I've never been on the receiving end of it. If anyone has ever watched me because of stuff I've talked about..they're good at their jobs and remain quietly in the background. Or maybe I'm just so used to it it doesn't bother me anymore To be honest..anytime anyone talks about experiences they have had..I expect that they are watched. I am sure that to some extent all of us have been.
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Post by paulette on Jul 19, 2012 9:51:46 GMT -6
Being threatened or silenced is not part of my life experience regarding UFOs. However I used to live on a street in Austin that was mostly student and hippie housing. Old wood frame houses that the owners didn't care if they were painted weird colors or who came and went. Because it was the 60's, people smoked but there were no hard drugs. However we had an "undercover" agent assigned whose job seemed to be to misinform us and keep everyone edgy. So he would come tell us that, as our friend, we needed to know that there would be a search in a day. Everyone would run around and scrub their room or house. Then it wouldn't come. Then 10 days later (after everyone relaxed and went back to what they were doing) it would happen in the middle of the night. (I had moved out by then). No friendly warning. Remember that the possession of a small amt of smoke was a years long sentence in a penitentary with people who had murdered other people. Or an involuntary commitment to an insane assylum if one's parents could get a good lawyer - and months or years of thorazine - a true zombie drug. Our agents "help" was actually terrible as it was part of a complicated set up. In some cases these agents got altered with their subjects - and slept with women to gain access obtain information. Somehow they justified such actions to themselves. Let me be clear here - I'm not talking about drug cartels or massive amts of anything going anywhere. No guns, no explosives, no "pushing" at schools - a few college age adults experimenting with smoke. The real deal - those who imported heroin and such - don't know if they had the attention we did because they did not advocate for social change, march in peace parades, publish underground newspapers. We were a threat to the status quo.
UFOs witnesses have been too and that's why the campaign of disinformation and dismissive journalism is so well practiced.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 10:00:46 GMT -6
Very true Paulette.
In Alaska, it is legal to have up to 4 ounces on your person. The cops can't do anything about it if you have 4 ounces or less. The state decided it was a violation of privacy.
As long as you're not driving under the influence, giving it to minors or selling it they don't care. If you have more than four ounces they assume you are planning on selling it and they'll snap the cuffs on...
Heck... some of my neighbors grow it in their front yards in the summer time lolz... no joke!!
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