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Post by randy on Jan 14, 2013 23:13:22 GMT -6
NY is attempting to pass a law that will take advantage of a newly defined mental health classification that will enable them to place gun owners in indefinite civil detention Simply put they will attempt to classify gun onwership as a mental illness needing treatment and possible confinment
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 12:19:56 GMT -6
There needs to be the strictest scruitney possible on anyone wanting to purchase an asault rifle. Too many men (and women) seem to use them as some kind of surrogate (insert favorite name for male member here). Mental profiles should be conducted on anyone who feels the need for a rifle that powerful and potentially lethal on a mass scale. Unfortunately getting those who obtain their guns illegally to comply might be difficult. A hand-gun for defense is one thing, a rifle for hunting to feed oneself, again, is one thing...an asault rifle...should raise red flags. Do we want them in the hands of conspiracy nuts? Or people with no tolerance for other races? Do we want them to fall into the hands of disturbed teenagers or younger children? It's NOT the gun...it never has been...it's the nut behind the trigger of the gun and many are in the hands of the mentally disturbed. This is only my opinion (and the opinion of many many others). Guns are our right to own...but personally I'd like to keep them out of the hands of A. the over medicated B. The intoxicated C. The mentally challanged D. The intollerant E. Idiots and fools in general. So..passing a few tests to own some weapons..doesn't seem such a bad stretch to me.
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Post by randy on Jan 15, 2013 23:53:22 GMT -6
The question is where do we draw the line and how do you enforce it,. the Conn shooter murdered his mother to get the guns he had. Recently a politician in a New England state proposed taking away the rights of conservatives because she did not like them. Sounds like Stalinist Russia to me. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting it is about balance of power. the feds have the military which has some pretty potent toys to play with and in history govts have used their military to take total power enforced with a military gun pointed at the citizens. the 2nd amendment allows a standing armed citizenry that balances the military. The citizens out number the miltary. Our leaders are not saints they are human beings subject to temptation and dreams of glory. Just a little temporary power and they can make the world so much better. Under Obama gang membership has increased 40% to 1,100,000 armed gang members on the street willing to shoot anyone they are told to, to stay part of the gang. In gun controlled Chicago 80% of gun murders are gang related as Mexican cartels move into new turf. Cartels are now in over 1,200 american cities and they bring their guns with them from Mexico if need be Obama wants hispanic political support and as such does not say a word about the cartels. the border is not only open to immigrants it is open also to drugs, full auto weapons, grenade launchers and criminals. 10% of illegals come here with felony records that is 2,000,000 illegal felons since nancy pelosi when speaker of the house said there were 20,000,000 illegals here at that time I seem to have gotten on a roll and do not intend to stir up things but the cartels are real and being totally ignored by Washington and the media Chicago is a cartel shooting gallery and not a word about it.
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Post by randy on Jan 16, 2013 0:00:31 GMT -6
interesting news in that Germany is pulling its gold home from US storage. something is up. Wal mart is not allowing its stores to reorder ammo for sale to the public according to some managers The fix is in as even police depts are finding is hard to restock ammo for law enforcement use. I suspect that Wal Mart was given the word at the recent gun control meeting they went to. DC seems to fear the people curious
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 0:56:52 GMT -6
OR the administration is trying to placate all of the people screaming for some kind of control on asault weapons after babies being slaughtered. There just isn't a conspiracy behind every tree...only some of them
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Post by randy on Jan 17, 2013 21:49:50 GMT -6
The US is trying to stall on giving Germany its gold dribbling it back a rate that will take 57 years to give it all back. Perhaps they have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar as in they spent it. the Neatherlands now wants its gold back also. Bank run? The sale of US silver coins for this month will exceed all silver sales in 2007 speaking Wal Mart they are suspending sale of some kinds of guns until further notice. As we choose up sides for the coming interesting times ahead locally the Sheriffs of many Oregon counties have stated they will not enforce gun control laws that violate the 2nd amendment and should the Feds come to do so they will deputize local citizens to help stop same. Kind of getting dicey folks. Seems the gods in DC are igannant of reality in the rural areas of the country. Recent laws proposed include tax credit for guns turning into Fed govt. Ban on inter net ammo sales. New Jersy wants people to be checked out mentally by a doctor before buying a gun and Miisissippi and Texas are proposing laws voiding Fed gun grabbing in their states. good time to buy body armor I think
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Post by randy on Jan 17, 2013 23:31:40 GMT -6
As a random idea probably most of the original confederate states, the Pacific Northwest Montana the dakotas and some of the heart land will form the core of resistance to Federal gun grabbing
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Post by randy on Jan 18, 2013 22:14:49 GMT -6
the govt has halted saile of 2013 silver coins saying they have run out of them They say that it will be the end of Feb before they will have more. Does this relate to the demand of Germany and the Neatherlands to get their gold back from storage here. Interesting to watch what happens. Town in NJ wants ban on flags banners and pendants flown in the town may include flying US flag. the land of the free.
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Post by randy on Jan 19, 2013 23:44:41 GMT -6
Part of Obamas push against the 2 nd amendment includes having your doctor question you about your ownership of guns. This puts your gun ownership in the hands of your doctor and his personnel views on guns. It totally ignores the law of the land. One news caster went so far as to openly state Obama was tearing down the 2nd amendment. I recall something about destructive govt in my reading of history and the rights of the American citizen It is being proposed that ao call assault weapons being stored on centralized arms depots where you can get them for use. Rather handy for final destruction Look how trust worthy we have been with Germanys gold reserves
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 17:50:24 GMT -6
what joy is there in rapid-fire assault weapons?
Do people own them because they are "cool" or "neat", or what was the initial thought behind the tool?
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Post by skywalker on Jan 20, 2013 22:33:27 GMT -6
Not many people do own them. The so-called "assault rifle" supposedly used in the Connecticut shooting was not an assault rifle. It was just a normal semi-automatic rifle that fires one shot each time you pull the trigger. The government lied about it to turn the public's opinion against guns.
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Post by randy on Jan 20, 2013 23:32:12 GMT -6
DHS plans to use the see something say something idea in gun control bans. So if your neighbor sees you may have a banned gun they are to report you to the Feds. Recall that Ruby Ridge and Waco both started out as gun raids. Waco was about converting AR 15s to full auto so they said but I saw the burned weapons in a photograph that were taken from the ashes of Waco and while a few AK 47 type weapons were there, there were no visable AR 15s Besides every kid knows you can convert an AR 15 with a paper match
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:34:22 GMT -6
There ARE people who should never own a gun..who are not responsible or mature enough..and getting a gun should not be like walking into a department store and buying a squirt gun. Getting a gun should be a well thought out project not some off the cuff decission to shoot squirrels in the back yard (and I do know a few of those). Sort of like added security at an airport...didn't everyone moan and whine like crazy after 911 about a lack of security? Now they moan and whine because there IS security for their own protection. I don't get it. Everyone was horrified when some troubled kid wanders into a school and opens fire on babies..and they should be horrified. But no one has an answer to prevent that without making it harder to own a gun. I sure don't want to see a gun ban..I think people have a right to bear arms..IF they are not druggies and nut cases. Would you have sold a gun to randy quaid's character in Independence day??? Should drunks have guns? Does alcohol impare intelligence? Of course it does. I had alcoholic parents and had they owned guns..I KNOW they would have shot each other and most likely me for being in the way. 7 year old child wanders into school with a gun in his back pack..threatens to shoot a child he doesn't like. The gun was empty but he had the clip. Wasn't the child..was the parent..should he have owned a gun? Where was the responsibility? What if that child had disliked the teacher? That's what I'm talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 12:39:16 GMT -6
I have been asked if I think teachers should be allowed to carry guns to school.
If a student knows that each teacher carries, how long before some student gets a hold of it?
Too Risky. Not the answer.
I still think it was unusual how quickly that school was broken into and how it played out. . .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 13:24:17 GMT -6
He was very focused on his goal and did the most damage he could before he heard sirens. I do not believe anything was staged or that the killing of children was ever a government set up. I think he must have resented the fact that his mother worked there but I dont' think we knew the whole story. Was he jealous of the children she loved over him? Did they fire her and cause some backlash to him? Sort of like Roswell..we never will know I think. I've read stories that said she knew he was troubled and he was home schooled because of that..and that she had taken him and his brother to gun ranges to shoot..maybe in his case, she shouldn't have. I am sure that for every crime there is some ...something...behind it...those are the kinds of things I'd like to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 0:02:27 GMT -6
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Tract_of_1812Ask yourself this simple question ; Why would the Govt. give away so much land ? For military payment ? Something else ? I believe it was for payment but also even more for national security. Each of these guys that came home knew how to fight and protect their homeland. If another country were to come in and try to take us over this would most likely be plan B. I believe citizens should have guns even today if they do not have a criminal or mental background. Why do we need assault rifles ? Think about plan B.
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Post by plutronus on Jan 22, 2013 0:07:14 GMT -6
Not many people do own them. The so-called "assault rifle" supposedly used in the Connecticut shooting was not an assault rifle. It was just a normal semi-automatic rifle that fires one shot each time you pull the trigger. The government lied about it to turn the public's opinion against guns. Hi SkyWalker,
According to the 'Thom Harman Show' on Free Speech tv channel (Direct[stinky]TV), a couple of days ago, stated that 0.000,000,4% of the American population was killed last year with assault class weapons, while hand-guns, such as the Glock (hand-gun preferred by US Police Depts nationally) killed 55,000 citizens.
60 people died in the past 3 months killed by assault weapons (oh, yes, I know, that some of them were 6 yr old children at a school), here in LA, kids are killed virtually every week, only its onesy-twosies, and its in their bedrooms, on school grounds, walking home from school, playing, in their beds, where ever, the drive-by gangs happen to be shooting at the moment or what ever? It happens so regularly, that the only time it makes to 9:00am, 10:00am, 11:00am, 12:00am, 1:00pm, 2:00pm, 3:00pm, 4:00pm and 5:00pm newscasts (5 days a week) is when there is something unusual about it. Like maybe the shooting involved kids shooting kids or a gang of 11yr olds shooting a school bus full of kids to kill one bicycle thief, type unusual. I don't see anybody banning hand-guns?, yet these type weapons kill a lot of people and mostly in the big cities. 60? Hah hah hah.
In my neighborhood, almost every night the police helicopters are hovering around, and we frequenty hear gunshots ringing out breaking the calm of the evenings, pop, pop pop pop pop pop, pop pop and I live in a nice white neighborhood, surrounded by gun toting, unsafe to walk the streets at any time of the day(and don't wear anything red, they'll shoot ya for that), and especially at night in the Mexican and Black neighborhoods. Around here, just try to take our guns, maybe, out of our cold dead fingers.
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plutronus p.s. And if that phreak, who shot up movie theatre full of movie watchers had to come to LA and tried that little stunt, the audience would have shot him dead.
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Post by randy on Jan 22, 2013 0:31:42 GMT -6
Lots of false information was published by the media. The shooters mother did not work at the school. he had to kill his mother at home to get the guns he had His mother legally owned the guns in Conn You are 42 times more likely to be killed by a fist or foot than be shot by an assault rifle. You are many times more likely to be killed by a club. Currently Europe is considering knife control as the answer to crime Gun control did not stop crime. Chicago has gun control and it is the most violent class A city in the world More violent than Mexico city or Beirut. NY has gun control and in some parts of the city people are shot down on the street at an average of one every two hours. Britain has gun control and is four times more violent than the US. south Africa has gun control and it is the assault capitol of the world. Rape is common. I was alive when you could order war surplus guns by mail and there was not the big violent crime wave the media would lead you to believe would happen if that was legal today. People owned guns no big deal at that time. among all the hype in the media it is ignored that American citizens have the right to own firearms period. That diamond hard point is glossed over or totally ignored as the mob is whipped up into emotion driven frenzy to ban guns. What you see is a preprepared plan of attack on guns that was waiting for a spark that the media could fan into a fire. the NY gun laws recently passed were passed in the dead of night without the lawmakers having time to read them. Sounds like Obamas tactics he used. the lawmakers have become rubber stamps that do what they are told. Setting a magazine limit of 7 rds bans a large number of firearms automatically that use larger clips. See the trick played on the public. Do not underestimate the evil of men seeking power. Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc all disarmed the populace and then cleansed it. when people atart talking about gun control dont trust them. they have plans for your life and dont care what you feel about it. the founding fathers had many quotes that apply here about gun control and all of them said in effect tyranny will follow like the south american countries known as banana republics
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Post by randy on Jan 22, 2013 0:39:01 GMT -6
Sound recording microphones are being installed in DC away from govt building to pin point gun shots. They also record conversations and already one recorded conversation from off the street is being used as evidence in a murder trial. sound recording and filming in stores, on city buses on the street and even in your home by appliances and drones out side the window. America the land of the free.
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Post by randy on Jan 22, 2013 0:45:55 GMT -6
goldman Sachs is saying the price of gold is going to go up in response to govt debt talks. perhaps this the reason the US govt is stalling on giving back the gold owned by Germany and the Neatherlands
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 9:05:42 GMT -6
In my neighborhood, almost every night the police helicopters are hovering around, and we frequenty hear gunshots ringing out breaking the calm of the evenings, pop, pop pop pop pop pop, pop pop and I live in a nice white neighborhood, surrounded by gun toting, unsafe to walk the streets at any time of the day(and don't wear anything red, they'll shoot ya for that), and especially at night in the Mexican and Black neighborhoods. Around here, just try to take our guns, maybe, out of our cold dead fingers. Yep. plutronusp.s. And if that phreak, who shot up movie theatre full of movie watchers had to come to LA and tried that little stunt, the audience would have shot him dead. [/size][/quote] It was this way in Las Vegas back in the day when I lived there too. On Friday and Saturday nights I would have to take my family out of the city because it sounded like a war zone out there just to return home one morning with a bullet hole in my front window. I didn't have to watch the show 'Cops' on t.v., it was happening outside. Because of the money that flows from Vegas it isn't something that is known much about. This is why I moved my family here so that my kids wouldn't have to experience this lifestyle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 10:30:22 GMT -6
I live in the same little valley I've lived in since I was 3 ..between ocean and mountains in southern calif. It's a safe zone and I've never been comfortable any where else. 3 murders in 60 years isn't exactly LA.
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Post by god on Jan 22, 2013 11:25:05 GMT -6
People owned guns no big deal at that time. among all the hype in the media it is ignored that American citizens have the right to own firearms period. It has always amazed me why there is a constitutional right to own firearms but not a constitutional right to access health or food. GOD
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Post by swamprat on Jan 22, 2013 15:19:12 GMT -6
"It has always amazed me why there is a constitutional right to own firearms but not a constitutional right to access health or food."
I think you are missing a large part of the picture. A "constitutional right to own firearms" in no way implies the "government" will buy your guns and ammunition. If you wish to exercise that right, you must earn the money and buy those items yourself.
Everyone also has the right to earn money and buy food and health care. Now, that being said, we want no one to go hungry or go without health care. If you are unable to work (unable, not unwilling), then you need to be fed and you need your health cared for. There are many ways that can be accomplished, whether it be food banks, Salvation Army, Community Chest, One Great Hour of Sharing, or government assistance.
If I can buy a 22 single shot rifle but cannot afford to buy a semi-automatic 30 caliber Bushmaster, I don't expect "the government" to step in and make up the difference.
A free country is all about the freedom to exercise your rights; it should not have to mean you will have everything handed to you whether you want to work or not.
We can do better, but socialism is not the answer!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 15:26:34 GMT -6
"It has always amazed me why there is a constitutional right to own firearms but not a constitutional right to access health or food."I think you are missing a large part of the picture. A "constitutional right to own firearms" in no way implies the "government" will buy your guns and ammunition. If you wish to exercise that right, you must earn the money and buy those items yourself. Everyone also has the right to earn money and buy food and health care. Now, that being said, we want no one to go hungry or go without health care. If you are unable to work (unable, not unwilling), then you need to be fed and you need your health cared for. There are many ways that can be accomplished, whether it be food banks, Salvation Army, Community Chest, One Great Hour of Sharing, or government assistance. If I can buy a 22 single shot rifle but cannot afford to buy a semi-automatic 30 caliber Bushmaster, I don't expect "the government" to step in and make up the difference. A free country is all about the freedom to exercise your rights; it should not have to mean you will have everything handed to you whether you want to work or not. We can do better, but socialism is not the answer! Amen swamprat!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 15:32:46 GMT -6
People owned guns no big deal at that time. among all the hype in the media it is ignored that American citizens have the right to own firearms period. It has always amazed me why there is a constitutional right to own firearms but not a constitutional right to access health or food. GOD If you want something you can make it or buy it. The government is not responsible for giving it to people. If a woman wants birth control pills- she can buy them. If she can't afford them she can live without them. If she lives in a place where other people don't want to give out birth control she can deal with it or move to a different place that has it. She has the right and freedom to make these choices. Doctors have the right and freedom to decide they do not WANT to provide birth control or abortions. Forcing a doctor to provide a service she does not want to provide is a violation of her rights. I live without birth control pills- because my body can't tolerate them. My hormone imbalance makes The Pill not effective on me. Oh well. It's not something I "need"... and it's not something other women "need" either. I haven't gotten pregnant yet and I don't take The Pill. I've never needed an abortion either because I practice a thing known as "personal responsibility". If I can do it- other women can do it too. It's not that hard. The government is not responsible for providing birth control and abortions. It's a woman's choice. It's a healthcare provider's choice. The government should have nothing to do with it. If I want to go to the store and purchase an apple and the store does not have any apples, does that mean I have to cry and whine to the government and say that they should force the store I shop at to sell apples? On the same note if the store DOES have apples but I cannot afford to buy them should the government force the store to give me free apples? I don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 18:33:19 GMT -6
A constitutional right to food and medical care? We have those programs....look how many of them are taken advantage of. There are entire welfare generations..who have never worked...go forth have kids...stick your hand out and survive (barely) or supplement that with drug deals. Blame the government if you can't find a job..they sent all the good ones over to China ...well who wants to work more than one job flipping burgers? Go to school? Get an education? And yes there are programs for that too. There are WIC programs for children, commodities for grown ups...food stamps...HUD to pay your rent...free clinics and emergency rooms...medicare...and state run medical programs too for those who don't qualify for medicare.. educational funds and government loans for education. How much more do you want? Maybe taxes are so darned high because someone has to pay for the gravy train. Illegals come here just to hop on that train and that's insane..heck we're going to let them have drivers licenses too..without being citizens. Next week they can probably buy guns too and I'll bet that wouldn't be for shooting squirrels in Central Park for the stew pot. Want the right to eat or have medical? Get a job and leave the nurturing to the elderly and the impaired. Come here...plan on working not sticking your hand out..and let someone assign them work. Giving it away only makes people indolent and unappreciative.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 22, 2013 20:20:16 GMT -6
The government wants power and totalitarian control. They don't care about what is right or what is best for the people or the country. All they care about is what is the best way for them to increase their power and control. Millions of people are going to suffer because of the ambitions of a few. Stupid government!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 7:29:14 GMT -6
He was very focused on his goal and did the most damage he could before he heard sirens. I do not believe anything was staged or that the killing of children was ever a government set up. I think he must have resented the fact that his mother worked there but I dont' think we knew the whole story. Was he jealous of the children she loved over him? Did they fire her and cause some backlash to him? Sort of like Roswell..we never will know I think. I've read stories that said she knew he was troubled and he was home schooled because of that..and that she had taken him and his brother to gun ranges to shoot..maybe in his case, she shouldn't have. I am sure that for every crime there is some ...something...behind it...those are the kinds of things I'd like to know. When you have time, watch the video presented by a young investigator here. It moves along slowly, but worth the watch, IMO. Some people would say that our "government" is doing some things to incite a civil war. www.examiner.com/article/sandy-hook-hoax-is-falling-apart_________________________________________________ As to your recent comments, Jokelly, about the many people who abuse "the system" here, I agree.
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