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Post by solo on Feb 6, 2012 15:51:04 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Feb 6, 2012 17:58:16 GMT -6
Modern humans have been on this earth for close to 50,000 years and yet we only know a fraction of the knowledge that has been gained and lost. We have evidence that very sophisticated technology existed thousands of years ago while just a few hundred years ago we lived in the "dark ages" where most of the previous knowledge had been lost. Why did that happen? Could there actually have been nuclear wars thousands of years ago and we are just now beginning to regain some of that technology? It's possible. Scientists and historians would argue that there is little or no evidence that advanced civilizations used to exist but maybe that is because they were destroyed. If our modern day society were wiped out how much of it would be preserved? I would be willing to bet not very much. I wonder how accurate these historical texts really are? Does it really say what these articles say it does or is somebody just making this stuff up?
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Post by skywalker on Feb 6, 2012 18:12:28 GMT -6
Check this site out. www.s8int.com/atomic1.htmlIt says that there are places on Earth where the desert sand has been melted into a sheet of glass just as if there was a nuclear explosion there. scientists claim that it was caused by a "meteorite" but there is no impact crater anywhere nearby. Of course meteorites don't always impact the earth. Sometimes they explode in the air like the one at Tunguska. Page two of the site talks about ancient nuclear reactors that were creating plutonium (which is extremely difficult to do) but scientists are claiming that it was done naturally. Other people are saying that ancient civilizations designed it to happen that way. Which one is correct? I'm going to have to read some more about this...
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Post by solo on Feb 7, 2012 1:40:58 GMT -6
I remember watching a program on TV (documentary) long ago with great facination and never have I forgotten it. This Documentary showed a discovery of a bullock skull with a hole through it (between the eye's). After much scientific study they came to the conlusion that this hole was caused by a BULLET from either a rifle, or a high powered pistol. Only problem with this was - the skull was 40,000 years old. Incredible dont you think. I strongly believe (like many others the world over) that there is much we are not told. And yes indeed, I surely do believe that nuclear wars did occur long ago, and that scientists are discovering - and have discovered proof, but are saying nothing. Not to the (ordinary folk) anyway.
I am not one to get caught up in doom day prophesies or 2012 end of the world saga. But I do believe that information on certain things will start to leak out this year, or early next.
Thank you for your reply and the link.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 8, 2012 17:52:35 GMT -6
I was just thinking about those parts of the world where the sand has been melted into glass. If it was caused by a nuclear war then the sand should be radioactive shouldn't it? I have a few pieces of the melted sand that came from the Trinity site in New Mexico from when they detonated the first atomic bomb there and that glass is very radioactive. You feel the radiation just holding it in your hand. It feels like a warm tingling sensation that goes all the way through the skin down into the muscles and bones. Definitely not a good idea to hold it for very long. I wonder if the melted sand in these other parts of the world is radioactive also?
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Post by solo on Feb 8, 2012 23:48:15 GMT -6
An interesting question Skywalker - how long does radiation last from a nuclear bomb blast?
I googled for an appropriate answer but never found a satisfying one - except this: Nuclear fallout lasts for many decades. Hiroshima and Nagasaki still have traces of nuclear radiation (however, now at a level low enough not dangerous for animals and humans).
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Post by Steve on Feb 9, 2012 3:00:34 GMT -6
An interesting question Skywalker - how long does radiation last from a nuclear bomb blast? I googled for an appropriate answer but never found a satisfying one - except this: Nuclear fallout lasts for many decades. Hiroshima and Nagasaki still have traces of nuclear radiation (however, now at a level low enough not dangerous for animals and humans).Dr. Teller, Dr. Oppenheimer, Gen. Groves and Gen. Farrell at Trinity site several weeks after test examining the remains of the bomb test tower, note lead & rubber shoes. Dr Oppenheimer died in 1962 at the age of 67 of throat cancer, General Groves of a heart attack in 1970 at the age of 73, and Dr. Edward Teller of a stroke in 2003 at the age of 95. Major Gen. Thomas Farrell (farthest uniform on right & executive officer to General Leslie Groves) behind and to Gen. Groves left passed away of cancer in 1967 at 75. Interesting researching this during Trinity test, Gen. Farrell and Oppenheimer who both later died of cancer were in the closest south bunker to the blast 10 miles away. The rest in a more distant bunker 20 miles away (Groves & Teller). How long does radiation last after a nuclear bomb blast? Depends on may things, the size of the blast, the altitude, surface, or underground, if a thermonuclear blast (H-bomb - most likely) it would depend on the materials in the 'stages' ignited by the gamma radiation and heat of the fission bomb (atomic bomb) used to detonate the H-bomb surrounding it. The Trinitite recovered is still radioactive, but reportedly is now at a level considered safe reportedly. Still wouldn't want to have some just hanging around the house or swallow any. Trinitite exists legally in various mineral collections now. The green glass area of the trinity site was covered over and leveled for safety and made difficult to take by souvenir hunters. The Trinity blast left a crater of radioactive glass in the desert 10 feet (3 m) deep and 1,100 feet (330 m) wide. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_in_popular_cultureen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrinititeTrinitite The Plutonium core (a sphere) arrives by Army sedan to the McDonald Ranch near the test site on July 12, 1945. The US Army requested a receipt. Here Herb Lehr, one of the bomb assembly scientists carries the small assembled Trinity core (weighed 13.6 pounds) inside the McDonald Ranch house. This from one of my most prized books in my collection 'Picturing the Bomb', a photo essay coffee table book of the Manhattan Project (collected from many private photos taken by Physicist Enrico Fermi) authored by his daughter Rachel Fermi and Esther Samra. A critical assembly with Plutonium sphere surrounded by tamper blocks. August 1945. About the size of a soft ball. Also from book 'Picturing the Bomb'. Hope you find these interesting.
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Post by solo on Feb 9, 2012 17:19:29 GMT -6
Great information - I will go slowly in deciphering all this and watch closely the links sent.
But before I log out - here is something I remember. John Wayne, (the Duke).
I remember some years back when only small, 1960s - early 70s ... John Wayne acted in a movie (not sure which one) tons of sand was brought to the location to where the movie was to be filmed. Later he was diagnosed with cancer. The rumours were that the sand brought to where the actors were was contaminated with radiation, caused from previous testing of atomic bombs in the desert somewhere.
Some may also remember years back - scientists from England tested numerous atomic explosions here in Australia. I wonder what happened with that?
Thanks Steve
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 20:15:34 GMT -6
John Wayne also smoked between 3 & 4 packs of cigarettes even when he was diagnosed (the first time) with lung cancer. I'm not arguing the possibility of some kind of contamination in fact I found the following article to add to the mix. He battled lung cancer long before he died from stomach cancer. Quite possibly a combination of a bad life style and making a movie in Utah. He wasn't the only actor involved in that movie who died from cancer. www.utahgothic.com/johnwayne.html
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Post by lois on Feb 9, 2012 22:15:50 GMT -6
Steve .. Thank you. I have never seen the real McCoy before. Only the the props made in the movies surrounding these times. I have seen many. Mostly old movies. Many people paid for what they did there in a most gruesome way. I believe a lot of it was keep from the public. Many people who live in this area still complain about it today.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 10, 2012 21:49:56 GMT -6
With all of the nuclear bombs they tested in Nevada I wouldn't be surprised if we all die from cancer. We will probably have nuclear fallout from it for the next 10,000 years.
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Post by AaronFarquhar on Feb 11, 2012 4:05:19 GMT -6
Solo,
A man by the name of Cecil Adams, Who people claim has never ever been photographed or seen (Dont see how??) He is apparently the Author of the movie The Straight Dope. They say his name is a Pseudonym. Not sure why he is hiding, apparently a man by the name of Ed Zotti fulfills all his public duties.
Anyways, a pile of useless facts..lol..On a site i found about John Waynes Apparent Radiation related Cancer diagnoses.
220 people worked on that movie and an amazing number, But 91 people actually contracted Cancer and 46 Fatally died. Thats an amazing statistic i believe. One person actually wrote to Cecil Adams asking him about the claim that radiation from the movie killed John Wayne. Below is the guys (John) question and followed by Cecils answer
Question: Dear Cecil:
My girlfriend says that half of the film crew and eight of the cast of the movie The Conqueror starring John Wayne died of cancer after an A-bomb test in Nevada. It can't be the truth — that many people — can it? Please, Cecil, give us the Straight Dope.
— John L., Santa Monica, California
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Cecil replies:
I'm horrified to have to report this, John, but your girlfriend's claim is only slightly exaggerated. Of the 220 persons who worked on The Conqueror on location in Utah in 1955, 91 had contracted cancer as of the early 1980s and 46 died of it, including stars John Wayne, Susan Hayward, and Agnes Moorehead, and director Dick Powell. Experts say under ordinary circumstances only 30 people out of a group of that size should have gotten cancer. The cause? No one can say for sure, but many attribute the cancers to radioactive fallout from U.S. atom bomb tests in nearby Nevada. The whole ghastly story is told in The Hollywood Hall of Shame by Harry and Michael Medved. But let's start at the beginning.
The Conqueror, a putative love story involving Genghis Khan's lust for the beautiful princess Bortai (Hayward), was a classic Hollywood big budget fiasco, one of many financed by would-be movie mogul Howard Hughes. Originally director Powell wanted to get Marlon Brando for the lead, but John Wayne, then at the height of his popularity, happened to see the script one day and decided he and Genghis were meant for each other. Unfortunately, the script was written in a cornball style that was made even more ludicrous by the Duke's wooden line readings. In the following sample, Wayne/Genghis has just been urged by his sidekick Jamuga not to attack the caravan carrying Princess Bortai: "There are moments fer wisdom, Juh-mooga, then I listen to you--and there are moments fer action — then I listen to my blood. I feel this Tartar wuh-man is fer me, and my blood says, 'TAKE HER!'" In the words of one writer, it was the world's "most improbable piece of casting unless Mickey Rooney were to play Jesus in The King of Kings."
The movie was shot in the canyonlands around the Utah town of St. George. Filming was chaotic. The actors suffered in 120 degree heat, a black panther attempted to take a bite out of Susan Hayward, and a flash flood at one point just missed wiping out everybody. But the worst didn't become apparent until long afterward. In 1953, the military had tested 11 atomic bombs at Yucca Flats, Nevada, which resulted in immense clouds of fallout floating downwind. Much of the deadly dust funneled into Snow Canyon, Utah, where a lot of The Conqueror was shot. The actors and crew were exposed to the stuff for 13 weeks, no doubt inhaling a fair amount of it in the process, and Hughes later shipped 60 tons of hot dirt back to Hollywood to use on a set for retakes, thus making things even worse.
Many people involved in the production knew about the radiation (there's a picture of Wayne himself operating a Geiger counter during the filming), but no one took the threat seriously at the time. Thirty years later, however, half the residents of St. George had contracted cancer, and veterans of the production began to realize they were in trouble. Actor Pedro Armendariz developed cancer of the kidney only four years after the movie was completed, and later shot himself when he learned his condition was terminal.
Howard Hughes was said to have felt "guilty as hell" about the whole affair, although as far as I can tell it never occurred to anyone to sue him. For various reasons he withdrew The Conqueror from circulation, and for years thereafter the only person who saw it was Hughes himself, who screened it night after night during his paranoid last years.
— Cecil Adams
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