Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 15:59:56 GMT -6
I would really like to know the answer to that too JC...
|
|
|
Post by jarmen71 on Jul 12, 2012 21:14:39 GMT -6
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 19, 2012 19:03:57 GMT -6
I just read "Radin, Dean (2010-10-26). The Conscious Universe: The Scientific Truth of Psychic Phenomena. Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition." and found that the scientific proof of ESP Clairvoyance and Mind-matter interaction is extremely significant. Note that this was a dry scientific book, not many personal anecdotes.
Interesting point was that ESP, Clairvoyance, and precognition cannot be scientifically separated. take the ESP card experiments: Is the person getting a message from the person's mind by ESP. Clairvoyantly remotely viewing the card, or even Precognitively sensing the card that was drawn?
"If we consider all the ESP card tests conducted from 1882 to 1939, reported in 186 publications by dozens of investigators around the world, the combined results of this four-million trial database translate into tremendous odds against chance—more than a billion trillion to one.13" Radin, Dean (2010-10-26). The Conscious Universe: The Scientific Truth of Psychic Phenomena (Kindle Locations 2029-2031). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
"Based on the experimental evidence, it is by no means clear that pure telepathy exists per se, nor is it certain that real-time clairvoyance exists. In stead, the vast majority of both anecdotal and empirical evidence for perceptual psi suggests that the evidence can all be accommodated by various forms of precognition. This may be surprising, given the temporal paradoxes presented by the notion of perception through time. But one simple way of thinking about virtually every form of perceptual psi is that we occasionally bump into our own future. That is, the only way that we personally know that something is psychic, as opposed to a pure fantasy, is because sometime in our future we get verification that our mental impressions were based on something that really did happen to us. This means that, in principle, the original psychic impression could have been a precognition from ourselves." Radin, Dean (2010-10-26). The Conscious Universe: The Scientific Truth of Psychic Phenomena (Kindle Locations 2323-2329). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition. --- Me: Wow...
Consciousness is apparently the essence of the universe and the present moment exists within Consciousness, which is not bound by time.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 23:04:59 GMT -6
I can believe that Sunbow. I'm not telepathic but sometimes it's easy for me to know what someone is thinking. I honestly think it's in the way the mind processes information that some just don't have the wave length for. Usually..what I get is claircognizance..the information is just there if the question is asked. I'm not aware of making any effort to 'see'..it just is there. I did this by phone for years and sometimes..it's actually easier than getting caught up in the heavier emotions of person to person. I'm very emphatic too..I'll see someone and know their pain is so great I start to tear up..that one is no fun at all Maybe we are making the 'definitions' and it's all just one pool of available information?
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 20, 2012 7:08:58 GMT -6
I think our language is very limited for this. There is something which spans all these effects and our words make separations that are not there.
I like claircognizance, as it does seem like effort is often not needed, the information is just there. Information science is a new field that sees all of reality as information (relationships between points): it is only order that has reality which can be perceived. It seems with the UFO ET thing, it is somehow you just know things (not quite thoughts or feelings, but something where those are combined). Gut instinct. You just know. But all our personal filters also color our knowing as the mind tries to describe and understand.
I can relate on the empathy. It is probably one of the things that has been an undercurrent in my life. People want to say, everything is fine, enjoy life, party with friends: but for me the majority of humanity is suffering and it is there in me. Something is \seriously not right about the global emotional feel. Nothing has ever allowed me to shake that pain.
As a child I sensed a ghost forest where the new suburbs we lived in were. When I would climb trees in suburbia and look at at the landscape, I saw a desert, where life once was.
One theory is that consciousness is a unified field and so everything is inside us to some degree.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 9:32:56 GMT -6
You and I have a lot in common Sunbow...and I seem to have a lot in common with a lot of people here. I'm sure that isn't a coincidence..I don't believe in them. I know that people are 'nudged' together for a reason and in our case..all of us are looking for some validation that we're not alone in our beliefs. Sorry as I can feel for you..I feel relieved to know that someone else feels this overwhelming sadness around us. The loss of the wild places and the wild life and the human misery. I know too that will get worse during the year..more will act on the pain in themselves they can't identify..more gunmen..more murder..more suicide and tragedy. I feel that down to my bones There is a blanket of hopelessness over so many right now..must be time to go home.
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 20, 2012 10:36:51 GMT -6
I sympathize with all the empathic. Many are wasting themselves trying not to feel it. The feelings are getting stronger. I feel that your insight that it will get worse is correct.
I think many people feel something is about to give. There is a sentiment that disaster is pending. You can see it in the fact that people are drawn to such things in books and movies. On the internet, every stray comet is the next big blast to the Earth. Meanwhile actual disasters do seem more common due to climate change.
It is going to be a wild ride.
I also feel that awareness of the nature of our condition is a key point. All people IMO are inherently psychic in some sense, but most have been conditioned not to see it or even believe in it. I think that such things are becoming more pronounced. More people are aware of their non-ordinary reality true nature. Humanity in the near future will be very different. We can only hold intent for the final outcome of who we are as a species to be positive.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 11:55:21 GMT -6
I also have claircognizance and empathy, but if I focus really hard I can also read a person's thoughts. I have to be careful though because sometimes I concentrate so hard it will trigger a migraine... I haven't noticed anything different lately- but then again I am younger than most of you so I don't know how people "felt" before I started to really consciously use my abilities when I was a teenager... 10-15 years ago. For one thing, unemployment numbers are very high. That's definitely putting a lot of stress on a lot of people. The bad economy is going global... it is not just in our country it is in other places as well. Greed lust and perversions seem to be running rampant in our society today as well. Every time you turn on the television people are talking about some strange sort of perversion which is now to be socially accepted... New York State was trying to make it MANDATORY for children to learn about how to have sex with animals as part of their curriculum- parents did not have the option to opt-out. I haven't heard much about this story lately but it was about six months ago when I saw it on TV... There are no more morals (especially in my generation). I go out on a date with a guy and one of the first questions he asks me is what is my favorite sex position... and then his cell phone rings a few minutes later, he talks into the phone, hangs up and says, "Sorry. That's my baby momma." which means, "That's the woman who gave birth to my child and I didn't have the decency to marry her." Everybody either has a baby momma or IS a baby momma apparently... except me. The family unit has collapsed. Moral standards have gone down the toilet. Everybody is miserable. Young women pop birth control pills and go out and sleep around because they have a deep desire for affection- affection which is never permanent. And the children... they are so confused! When I worked at the grocery store I saw all kinds of horrible adult role-modeling for children! I remember one young woman who was talking to me as I was ringing up her groceries. She had a seven year old girl with her. She was talking about some man in her life and she told the little girl they weren't going to see him again. The little girl rolled her eyes and said, "What, did you get dumped AGAIN?!" I was trying to hide this expression from my face: Young women talking to their three year olds and using the F word... or walking around the store pushing their cart with a two year old in the cart seat chatting on their cell phones using the F word every three seconds... covered in tattoos of course and showing WAY too much skin... People allowing their children to run wild through the store without ANY supervision, texting on their cell phones and not seeming to care if a pedophile will scoop up their children and take them away and murder them... A young boy using a mannequin as a practice dummy for boxing (rapid hard punches) with his mother looking right at him who didn't say one word to him until she saw me walking towards him like this then she told him to stop! Parents walking into a liquor store filled with glass bottles with their son rolling along behind them on a SKATEBOARD!! Like somehow someone didn't stop and think, wow, maybe this isn't a good idea? A mob of teenagers storming a wal-mart with knives and razors slashing clothes and merchandise- doing thousands of dollars worth of damage just because they could... Animals. They're all animals!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 12:20:40 GMT -6
Nah...just very confused and lost individuals. Many of the religions are falling apart..or at the very least admitting their less than holy side..and in general these poor souls don't know where to turn. Compassion right now is the greatest gift we can have. All of humanity are connected by commonalities. DNA..etc. but I'm not feeling so connected anymore It's not that we remember happier or less stressful times..there wasn't a time much less stable than the cold war era..it's that we can 'feel' the pain everywhere. I have a feeling that a lot of the people 'here' aren't going to fall down that emotional pit. Maybe that is the 'gift' we've been handed by the experiences..surviving ..and I'm not talking about the storing of food or weapons..I mean hanging on as the world of man gets a whole lot less stable. We keep finding more and more in common here..kind of freaky even how much in common. I think we may be close to having some answers among us. I also feel that those who have had experiences are mentally stronger..more able to cope. At least I feel that in so many of you here.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 15:13:19 GMT -6
I know you get teary eyed when you sense the pain in others Jo, and I hope you haven't sensed that from me because mine is pretty bad sometimes...
I just get the overwhelming urge to hug the person and soothe them and make them feel better... it doesn't make me want to cry though usually. I just get that way from ASPCA commercials... heh...
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 20, 2012 18:36:50 GMT -6
I do not have any morals. Morals are dogma in the mind. I have Love and Empathy. How could you cheat someone if you have Love? The actions Lorelei described are from mental beings who think they are separate, rather than feeling beings who are in relation to all they encounter.
I think the days of living in the mind are running their course and eventually we will learn to live in the spirit heart again. We need a new paradigm.
Yes, we here have very much in common. Perhaps these things are aspects of why we remember our encounters with the non-human intelligences.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 9:58:44 GMT -6
I can relate on the empathy. It is probably one of the things that has been an undercurrent in my life. . . . . . . One theory is that consciousness is a unified field and so everything is inside us to some degree. Please excuse me, ahead of time. Sometimes my thoughts are "all over the place" . I want to believe that there is that unified field. And all that comes with that. So, from what we see happening around us, it seems there are people that reject being a part of this. Now, on the one hand, to an outsider, our childhood experiences make it look as if we are "loners". We would seem to have reasons to grow up into indifferent adults. Some of us may even have gone through phases in our lives where indifference was considered as a life style choice. Comfortably. However, that choice could not, would not, take permanent hold on us. But on first glance, our drive to be "different" (not indifference) would seem that WE were rejecting the Unified Field. When I say "reject the Unified Field", I'm talking about the aberrations caused by willful destruction of life. Whether it be plant, or animal, or intelligent beings. Those are the obvious ones. I believe that the Unified Field can hold everything. And that is why some people can touch a rock, and know something about who has touched it last ;D so, along those lines, and talking tools and technology of our visitors, why does it matter so much to me that "our consciousness" stay human? Is it just Hollywood that puts out the sinister scenario of things like in the movie the "Terminator"? In the Unified Field, anything that tries to put a tear in the fabric, would be considered an aberration. I think that is what we are feeling. We are feeling things making attempts to tear. At first, it was just small tears, that were easily mended. And if you could picture this field, because of mended small areas, the "fabric" became stronger. It was still permeable, with no scarring. But the attempts to tear have increased, the time to heal is minimal, and a scar upon a scar is still strong, but less able to let information flow through. Personally, I have changed, because the sadness is unbearable. It will always be there, as the fabric of the Unified Field is torn. At first I couldn't believe it! A tear? A hole? No Way! And then more unbelief- Is this the reason for my sadness? Nah. I'm nobody. . . It finally comes down to protection. When something has been injured, it needs a time of healing. Time for a "scar" to form, time to heal that, and not reopen old wounds. Before they are ready . ;D
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 21, 2012 15:41:52 GMT -6
I can understand people believing the lie of separation, instead of being parts in relation, since that is what is taught, therefore avoiding the Universal Field because it corrodes their idea of ding what they want without consequences, yet everything comes around. Yet to willfully cause pain and death for personal power or satisfaction seems inhuman. Is it a consequence of too many layers of lies confusing, or is it a plan being applied to humanity to keep us from awakening to our spiritual and psychic potential. Is it confusion and chaos from igannance, or is there an energy vampire wanting negative emotions to feed upon as some suggest. Why are we constantly waring, is it to fight for resources or is there other powers seeking to divide and conquer. As long as humanity is divided and in competition with each other, we are weak.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 23:36:33 GMT -6
We always will be weak..between the religious teachings against psychics (and divination) and those who fear what they don't understand...division between us will remain. I'm beginning to think that is part of the reason behind abductions. I feel the anticipation..the excitement of coming events..but have to be really careful who I discuss it with. Aside from my family..I keep most of my 'feelings' to myself. Change is barreling down on us and unless people can adapt and accept ..well..there will be a lot more confusion and heartbreak..shootings and suicides. Especially with the sun kicking up a fuss and making folks edgy...there may be a very strong reason we're the way we are here. If more people would actually 'listen', the messages are all around us. It's way past the time to grow up
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 14:07:57 GMT -6
We always will be weak..between the religious teachings against psychics (and divination) and those who fear what they don't understand...division between us will remain. I'm beginning to think that is part of the reason behind abductions. I feel the anticipation..the excitement of coming events..but have to be really careful who I discuss it with. Aside from my family..I keep most of my 'feelings' to myself. Change is barreling down on us and unless people can adapt and accept ..well..there will be a lot more confusion and heartbreak..shootings and suicides. Especially with the sun kicking up a fuss and making folks edgy...there may be a very strong reason we're the way we are here. If more people would actually 'listen', the messages are all around us. It's way past the time to grow up It seems the more advancements we make in technology, the less mature young adults become...
|
|
sunbow
Full Member
Seeing, Dreaming, and Loving...
Posts: 859
|
Post by sunbow on Jul 22, 2012 16:30:19 GMT -6
I just went to a Pow_wow for two days this weekend. Traditional people have a better sense of what is really important for being human.
If you ask someone today, 'Who are you?' The answer is 'I am ***' But for a traditional person it is, "I am the *** for my tribe (or family-community). The difference is seeing oneself in relation to the larger group or as an isolated individual.
As the separate individual lie grows, people are increasingly disturbed and alienated. that type of a future is increasingly fragmented and chaotic.
I also feel an anticipation. I am not counting on radical events in 2012, but it is very possible. Something in me feels that humanity all across the world will soon be shaken up.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 19:28:20 GMT -6
I'm a thinking..a lot of people are going to have their world rocked.. Not a bad thing at all I think. But..maybe in some cases pretty shattering.
|
|
|
Post by skywalker on Jul 23, 2012 21:25:16 GMT -6
|
|