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Post by charles on Mar 17, 2012 8:31:59 GMT -6
Hi all! Came across this story about a lady in the Midlands and thought I'd share it with you. In this case, the lady describes how she saw some strange things going on around her and then tells of being abducted by aliens. One of the scariest aspects in this for her was that she had an awareness of her daughter telling her not to be afraid about it. To read the story, please follow the link below: www.cosmic-conspiracies.com/alienabduction.htmlMods - If this has already been mentioned in another thread, then accept my apologies and either link it there or delete it, whichever's appropriate. TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by Steve on Mar 17, 2012 9:36:31 GMT -6
Hi all! Came across this story about a lady in the Midlands and thought I'd share it with you. In this case, the lady describes how she saw some strange things going on around her and then tells of being abducted by aliens. One of the scariest aspects in this for her was that she had an awareness of her daughter telling her not to be afraid about it. To read the story, please follow the link below: www.cosmic-conspiracies.com/alienabduction.htmlMods - If this has already been mentioned in another thread, then accept my apologies and either link it there or delete it, whichever's appropriate. TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles I do appreciate seeing this again Charles. It is a video that would not be impossible to fake. Based on what I have read, no one as far as I am aware is making money off of this video. Correct me if I am wrong. So there would seem to be no financial incentive. I know this family's faith I read is Muslim, so like most religions - they especially might see this as real heretical stuff. (reference to 'Jinn'). This maybe inconsequential. Is this a literal depiction of what many abductions maybe like? It would seem like some kind of de-materialization maybe taking place. Some kind of specifically focused dimensional shift? A number of experiencers have related finding themselves floating over their bed. Some are laid down gently, others dropped. If so, how are they returned to that point before being dropped? Some experiancers as kids have remembered being tucked back into bed, while others as if given a 'heave ho'. What is weird in the video - just before the woman supposedly disappears and then again just after she appears again - it is as if her body under the covers has been lifted up - supported in the middle - around her midsection - and the upper and lower body is limp. The other body next to her stirs after she is returned. Many video cameras seem to fail, only recording the time the power goes off. But I wonder if this is really true? There is not enough of these videos to establish a pattern or whether it is another Internet assumption? Seeing the center of the woman's body lifting up first from a 'physics' stand point actually makes perfect sense. If the body is relaxed and not rigid. An invisible external force acting in this way might sensibly lift the center mass and the center of gravity (or non -gravity) first. As if she is being lifted by some invisible sling. Almost like how we might lift a cat - a hand supporting the cats midsection between it's fore and hind legs. The rest of the cats body dangles a little as it is lifted up. The Human spine would behave more or less the same way. A hoaxer might attempt to deceive by presenting a preconceived notion of what we might expect to see. A hypnotized stiff body floating horizontally perhaps. Not unexpectedly this. Instead we see what appears a relaxed body lifted somehow by the body's mid section. Makes you wonder.... Thirteen minutes does not seem very long as most abductions 'reportedly' seem to go - but in that state - would experiencers relating their own events have any clear sense of how much time has truly passed to compare? Maybe these happen faster than is thought? All I have read and listened too - most abductions seem to reflect about 1.5 to 3 hours missing time. In Travis Waltons case - 4 - 5 days! No entities visibly seen. Could they have been there, just not seen by the camera? Like the girl recently when she was six years old reportedly cured of Leukemia, 5 entities surrounding her hospital bed while her parents oblivious in the same room saw nothing - only knowing because their daughter was asking them 'do you see them?. The little 'angels' around the bed tickling me?" I always remember the old Star trek episode where the crew goes back accidentally to the 1960's. That show has more than once helped in reflection about some possibilities far beyond our own present sciences. Their star-ship is chased by a jet interceptor thinking it is a UFO. The crew goes back and recovers the planes camera film from the base photo processing lab to retrieve (steal) any evidence (beaming in of course). Kirk is caught and interrogated. When asked how he entered the secure facility - he replies.... "I popped in.....out of thin air" knowing how absurd his answer would come across..... Either a clever hoax without a clear motive apparent - or if real...a case again of - any sufficiently very advanced technology will be seen as magic. Its fun to over speculate - we need a few more of these to see a clear pattern - which we know never seems to happen. Steve
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Post by yamacycler on Mar 17, 2012 9:43:56 GMT -6
Although I couldn't view the CCTV footage on this forum I did see it on Ufomania or Mufon. Very fascinating. It was better documented on this forum. Thanks Charles
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Post by charles on Mar 17, 2012 11:05:49 GMT -6
Hi all! Steve - thanks for your views. I too cannot seem to see any financial incentive or undue attention being sought with this case. Having said that I guess I lucked out a little here - last Thursday the Birmingham UFO Group held an event setting out the case for contact with this lady as a guest speaker. That I think would have been most enlightening - especially as their advert for it says about other things happening to this lady that only came to light through her being hypnotised. As with your Star Trek analogy - that is most logical ;D ;D !! The thing that has been in my mind about their technology then is how we see some of those things(ish!) today. Take the communicator with it's flip up lid then look at several models of mobile phones - back then it would have been inconceivable for a device so small to have such a far range (i.e. round the world) as we have today. Also the other thing that just crossed my mind thinking about this was their phaser guns (the personal ones) - tazers and cattle prods??? I know they don't have the laser 'bolt' kind of thing, but to me there is some kind of similarity. And then we end up with the 'star wars programme killer satellites' and whatever their abilities may be! I must admit I'd not heard about the girl with Leukaemia - thanks for sharing that one! To me that case shows that whatever happens, it can be successfully camouflaged, only letting those that they want to see it, see it. yamacycler - thank you mate and nice to see you here (I know Lois is happy about that !!) ! Okay, I'm done for now ;D ! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by skywalker on Mar 17, 2012 18:41:30 GMT -6
Although I couldn't view the CCTV footage on this forum I did see it on Ufomania or Mufon. Very fascinating. It was better documented on this forum. Thanks Charles We do have it posted here somewhere, I just don't remember what thread it is on. It's probably in the abduction section. Auntym might know.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 17, 2012 18:48:09 GMT -6
A hoaxer might attempt to deceive by presenting a preconceived notion of what we might expect to see. A hypnotized stiff body floating horizontally perhaps. Not unexpectedly this. Instead we see what appears a relaxed body lifted somehow by the body's mid section. Makes you wonder.... All the movies and TV shows that I have seen where they show abductions taking place show the body lifting straight up off the bed like the levitating tricks the magicians do. I guess it is easy for the special effects people to do it like that since the magicians know how to do it. When it happened to me in real life my feet went up first...like God reached down from the sky and grabbed me by the ankles and pulled me up. My friend said the same thing, and then afterwards his body was stiff and sticking up at about a 45 degree angle with his head touching the bed.
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Post by charles on Mar 18, 2012 6:45:09 GMT -6
Hi all! Sky - in your last post about this you wrote: "When it happened to me in real life my feet went up first...like God reached down from the sky and grabbed me by the ankles and pulled me up." (Sorry, but I will one day work out how to do the quote thingy ;D !) What struck me was that in her account she talks of being pulled feet first. I know in her story I took it as her just being dragged rather than being lifted by the feet, but on reflection it would seem more probable that she was also taken up (?) feet first after having been dragged out of bed. Perhaps this is something to look out for in future cases? TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by skywalker on Mar 18, 2012 10:07:19 GMT -6
I thought it was interesting that the black helicopter showed up before the incident took place. Could the Feds actually be working with the little gray people grabbers? Could they have known in advance that she was going to get zapped? Could she have been grabbed before that and just not known about it?
As usual there are tons of questions with few answers. Does anybody know what this woman's name really is? Did they introduce her as "Sonia" at the UFO meeting or did they use her real name?
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Post by lois on Mar 18, 2012 20:23:16 GMT -6
I believe they can break down all our bodies molecules like Scottie did.
One of the brothers in the Allagash four case of abduction, told he felt like every part of his body was being taken apart, right as the aliens were bringing them back.
How else did this woman vaporize?
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Post by sansseed on Mar 19, 2012 9:38:37 GMT -6
This reminded me of one night. I don't know why this particular night has stuck with me, but it has. I was staying with one of my family members for a time and sleeping on a couch. It was more like a love seat than a full size couch and my legs hung over the edge. Not the most comfortable, but a place to sleep. I remember waking with a start and as I woke up one of my legs felt like it was dropped. I told myself that I was just dreaming, but I felt my leg fall and hit the arm of the couch. This happened about 15 years ago, and I still remember it.
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Post by rationalchaos on Jun 17, 2012 18:29:00 GMT -6
Hi, Im new here and I don't really know how to use forums so please bear with me. I found this thread through a google search I was doing about this particular abduction case. I don't normally look for things about this case, but beings how I am overly bored with absolutely nothing to do where I am, I decided to have a little looksy. Anyway, I would like to discuss this particular case with the people that were on this thread, as you seem to be intelligent and seem to be neither skeptical nor hard core believers for or against the idea of aliens. So I know this is a bit of an old thread, but is there anyone out there willing to talk more about this? Thanks
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Post by skywalker on Jun 17, 2012 19:27:12 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, rationalchaos. We would be happy to talk about this case some more. When I have a little more time I'll try to find the video of it and post it here since we seem to have misplaced it somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 11:48:42 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum rationalchaos.
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Post by rationalchaos on Jun 18, 2012 14:01:39 GMT -6
thanks for the welcome :-) What I'd like to suggest about the video is a few things. First of all, if that was her foot showing in the video, then she is a very tall person as her head seems to be at the top of the bed. The bed is 6'8''...so I'm curious as to how that could possibly be her foot? Also, most people sleep with a sheet under their covers, could it be a sheet that is actually showing and not a foot?
The other thing I would like to point out is that although NASA said they had their theory, the truth is that they were NOT able to open in entirety the raw footage. They were only able to open the first half. So I'm not sure how they could have come to the conclusions they did about the video when in fact they were not able to see the raw footage fully.
The original raw footage was finally opened, and is much clearer. It was opened using a Russian software, altho the sound and the time stamp have been corrupted.
With that being said, I know how hard it must be to look at something like this and think its anything but a hoax. But there are parts of the story that were not told accurately, or in whole...which if told might make a difference to how some people view the footage. Not that it really matters so much as in what people think...but some of us really want answers for the strange occurrences in our lives. And it seems to me that when there is evidence staring us in the face, then people want to rip it apart and say its a hoax and not help in finding answers....be they researchers, authors, tv producers, or others that have had experiences of abduction.
Please let me add as well, that I don't mean to come off sounding rude...as I have seen hundreds of responses about this case and this is the first forum I have ever responded in because the people here really do seem to want answers and they are open minded and don't yell HOAX about everything that is written or shared. Thank you for that :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 20:44:08 GMT -6
We try to keep our minds open around here rationalchaos. Many of us here have had unusual experiences and we all just want answers like everyone else.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 21, 2012 19:06:48 GMT -6
Ok, here is the video again. (thanks, Jc ) The more I look at this video the more I am inclined to think it is a fake. If you look at the woman just before she was supposedly "abducted" you can see that she moves underneath the mattress and gets into a really unusual position...it's like she is on her knees and her butt is sticking straight up in the air. She is much higher up than the man sleeping next to her. She wouldn't be like that if she were lying down. Another thing I see is that she appears to move just slightly to the left before she sinks down into the mattress...kind of like she were stepping over into a hole that was in between two smaller mattresses...and when she comes back up she immediately moves back over to the right to get back on the mattress. The man then rolls over but never gets over to where the hole would have been. It just looks very suspicious to me. Another reason why I am inclined to say that it is fake is because my own abduction experience did not resemble that one at all. When I had my experience there was a bright light coming through the window that lit up the sky brighter than daylight. I was lying paralyzed on my back with my arms straight at my side and my legs straight out which is a position that I never sleep in. It was like somebody had deliberately put me in that position. Also I was completely uncovered as if the sheets had been pulled off of me, and then I floated up into the air instead of sinking down into the bed. i just don't see any similarities at all here. Of course not all abductions have to be exactly alike or take place in the same way. And just because I remembered it that way that doesn't necessarily mean that it happened that way. If aliens are able to manipulate time or dimensions the way some people suggest there is no telling what it might have looked like to an onlooker or a camera. Maybe the sensations of light and floating were what I saw and felt but what was really happening may have been completely different. Anything is possible I suppose.
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Post by rationalchaos on Jun 22, 2012 14:39:20 GMT -6
Interesting view, thanks for sharing that... I think she is a rather large woman, so it might be hard for her to move around easily and get in and out of a hole. Also if the bed is as expensive as they say it is, I doubt someone would cut a hole in the bed to fake a video. Also she had back problems that were quite severe which both researchers attested too...so if all of that is true, I don't think she was involved in hoaxing it.
I can however suggest that maybe its an optical illusion of some sort. Not really happening the way they think it might be? But her video does coincide with her statement that she was taken that night...thats why she was looking at the video footage in the first place.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 24, 2012 20:53:39 GMT -6
Hoaxers can be pretty sneaky when they want to be. There are all kinds of things they could have done to pull off a fake. It might not even be the same woman...you can't ever see any part of her in the video. There wouldn't necessarily have to be a hole in the bed either, but it could have been like two small matresses with a gap in between them so she could have just stepped down into it. There are all kinds of possibilities. I'm still not saying that it is a hoax because I don't know whether it is or not. It's just really hard to be able to know anything for sure just by looking at a photo or video. There are too many ways they can be faked. There would need to be more corroborating evidence to prove it for certain. It's really frustrating some times when you see evidence like this that should be convincing but you still have to have doubts about it just because there are so many idiots out there making fakes. A lot of good evidence gets ignored for that very reason. My gut reaction to this video is that it is a fake, but like I said before I don't know that for sure. There is not enough evidence to prove it is authentic but there's not enough to dismiss it either. If you want to see another video of an elleged abduction that was caught on tape take a look at this one. This one I have always felt was real, but once again there still is not enough evidence to prove it. Maddeningly frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 18:50:55 GMT -6
thanks for the welcome :-) What I'd like to suggest about the video is a few things. First of all, if that was her foot showing in the video, then she is a very tall person as her head seems to be at the top of the bed. The bed is 6'8''...so I'm curious as to how that could possibly be her foot? Also, most people sleep with a sheet under their covers, could it be a sheet that is actually showing and not a foot? It looks like a foot to me . Even the way it moves throughout what we see of the lady. That actually is not a bad perspective. . .try watching the video by her foot instead of watching the "lump" that is her body. Anyway, I thought she was a large lady to begin with. And her husband could be a small man in comparison . I've known quite a few couples like that. Also, to Lorelei's credit (our resident amazonian ), we have seen some sleep footage of her. By comparison of movement while sleeping, . . . Lore! This is meant as a "thank You" for your video!! ;D ;D
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Post by skywalker on Jun 26, 2012 22:03:39 GMT -6
Good grief! I think I need to get some sleep. I was just watching this video for the who-knows-how-manyeth time and I have to admit that the way she sinks down into the mattress is kind of weird looking. I'm going to have to revise my earlier statement about her stepping into a hole between the mattresses. That doesn't look at all like what happened. The really weird thing that just happened is that as I was staring at the screen about to go snowblind from looking at it too long my computer decided to freeze up right at the 1:55 mark on the video. It just stopped...and right in the middle of the bed just to the left of where the woman was lying I would almost swear I saw a little alien looking at me. I could see his head, face, eyes, mouth, everything. It's like it was barely visible on the screen. I'm going to go to bed now and watch it again tomorrow to see if I see the same thing. Maybe it was just an optical illusion or something. Maybe I'm hallucinating. I dunno...
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