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Post by swamprat on Mar 19, 2012 16:30:51 GMT -6
Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate Tuesday March 20, 7:30 PM Eastern time -- faster than light neutrinosPeople may be interested in tuning in to the Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate hosted by the Hayden Planetarium in New York tomorrow evening (Tuesday) at 6:30 PM central time. The topic of the debate ( www.amnh.org/calendar/event/2012-Isaac-Asimov-Memorial-Debate:-Faster-Than-the-Speed-of-Light/ ) will be the recent results from the OPERA experiment at CERN. OPERA initially reported the apparent observation of faster-than-light neutrinos and then apparently retracted their result. The debate panel, with representatives both from CERN and from outside the OPERA collaboration, will include Gaby Gonzalez. To watch the debate streamed live, tune in to: www.amnh.org/live/. (Gabriela “Gaby” Gonzalez is one of my son’s co-workers. I have tailgated with her at football games...)
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Post by skywalker on Mar 19, 2012 18:23:06 GMT -6
If the people who discovered it have since retracted the claim how can there be any debate over it?
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Post by swamprat on Mar 19, 2012 18:56:51 GMT -6
Hey, any time physicists get together, there WILL BE debate! Their debates would never be allowed on public forums such as this. (They have long forgotten the idea of "keep it civil".....) Even though the Opera collaboration turns out to have had problems, the debate rolls on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 20:13:46 GMT -6
Hey, any time physicists get together, there WILL BE debate! Their debates would never be allowed on public forums such as this. (They have long forgotten the idea of "keep it civil".....) Even though the Opera collaboration turns out to have had problems, the debate rolls on. hehehe.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 15:21:03 GMT -6
I think it bothers people that the laws of physics as we understand them might be only a novice first course. I think there may be rules that extend way past what we can conceive of and that not everyone marches to the tune of the same physics drummer
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Post by swamprat on Mar 20, 2012 16:36:03 GMT -6
Here is more info on tonight's debate:Hosted by Hayden Planetarium Director Neil deGrasse Tyson, this year's event will feature some of the world's leading voices in the debate of Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity. Debate participants include: • Dr. David Cline, Department of Physics and Astronomy, UCLA • Dr. Gian Giudice, Theoretical Physics Division, CERN¨ • Dr. Sheldon Glashow, Department of Physics, Boston University¨ • Dr. Chris Hegarty, MITRE’s Center for Advanced Aviation System Development • Dr. Laura Patrizii, Department of Physics, University of Bologna¨ To watch the debate live, go to www.amnh.org/live/
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Post by swamprat on Mar 20, 2012 19:17:40 GMT -6
OPERA acknowledged that their equipment was faulty, even though they tested it many times.
Giudice is a hoot!
“I am a THEORETICAL physicist; therefore, I am not very interested in reality.” “The neutrinos traveled at the speed of light until they reached the Italian border; then the broke the speed limit.” ****************************************************** Sheldon:
"It's irrelevant to particles; string theorists would disagree, but fortunately no string theorists are here" ****************************************************** David Cline is suffering a tad from a closed mind.....which is OK given what he does. However, most of the time, dramatic break-throughs will come from those with an open mind..... ******************************************************
Bottom line: I think many physicists were embarrassed that such widespread publicity arose from something that turned out to be incorrect. No matter how fantastic their finding, keep your mouth shut until the possibility of mistake is eliminated. Would appear most American physicists are sensitive to the fact that too few Americans are going into the sciences. Cline says the future looks bleak..... Over 1700 watched most of the time, over 5,000 log-ons. Impressive!
Swamp
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Post by skywalker on Mar 20, 2012 20:08:05 GMT -6
Thanks for the update swampy. I tried to watch it but my darned computer wouldn't let me on. There was a huge thunderstorm passing by and I had a really bad connection. I wish I could have seen it. I really like that Tyson dude.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 22:01:13 GMT -6
I thank you for sharing too Swampy as I'm particularly interested in that little atom smasher over yonder
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 23:11:27 GMT -6
I thank you for sharing too Swampy as I'm particularly interested in that little atom smasher over yonder ;D
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Post by swamprat on Mar 30, 2012 9:14:18 GMT -6
'Speed of light' scientist resigns over mistakePublished March 30, 2012 The Italian professor who challenged Einstein’s famous theory of relatively, leading an experiment that appeared to show tiny particles moving faster than the speed of light, has resigned from his post. Antonio Ereditato stepped down as coordinator of the OPERA experiment at Italy’s national institute of physics on Friday, Reuters reported. The INFN -- the National Institute of Nuclear Physics -- had no comment beyond saying it "took note" of his decision. It was not immediately possible to reach Ereditato for a comment, Reuters said. Read more: www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/30/speed-light-scientist-resigns-over-mistake/#ixzz1qc1FqvOo
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Post by swamprat on Jun 9, 2012 17:38:48 GMT -6
Final Nail? Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos Aren't, Scientists ConcludeClara Moskowitz, LiveScience Senior Writer Date: 08 June 2012 The final nail in the coffin may have been dealt to the idea that neutrino particles can travel faster than light. The same lab that first reported the shocking results last September, which could have upended much of modern physics, has now reported that the subatomic particles called neutrinos "respect the cosmic speed limit." Physicist Sergio Bertolucci, research director at Switzerland's CERN physics lab, presented the results today (June 8) at the 25th International Conference on Neutrino Physics and Astrophysics in Kyoto, Japan. "Although this result isn't as exciting as some would have liked, it is what we all expected deep down," Bertolucci said in a statement. The new findings come from four experiments that study streams of neutrinos sent from CERN in Geneva to the INFN Gran Sasso National Laboratory in Italy. All four, including the experiment behind the first faster-than-light findings, called OPERA, found that this time around, the nearly massless neutrinos traveled quickly, but not that quickly. www.livescience.com/20847-faster-light-neutrino-mistake.html
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