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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 21, 2012 5:42:15 GMT -6
I have always been adamant there was no missing time during my experience. I do not know the exact time I went outside but I have a rough idea, when I went back inside and checked the clock it seemed right - it certainly wasn't hours later than I expected, more like 10 minutes.
Tonight I was reading another person's account and something rang a bell. This person said she was looking up at a craft above her house and was surprised when she looked back down and saw her two sons beside her. She didn't hear them come up.
She mentioned nothing about missing time but it reminded me that I was watching the black pyramid on the front verhandah alone, and when I looked beside me my husband and son were there in that trance. I never saw them come outside, never heard the screen door open or close, never gave it a second thought because I surmised I must have been concentrating on the pyramid. Now I think about it, that is unlikely, I was standing not 3 feet from the door and was aware of my surroundings the whole time.
Now after all these years I wonder ... was I in a trance too at some point to not hear them come outside? My husband has no conscious memory of the event at all even though he was there, could it be there are parts of the event that I don't recall?
Hmmn, very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 11:00:11 GMT -6
My friend and I were missing about 3 1/2 hours Pigs..I'd never have realized that if we weren't out riding and terrified of missing our 'curfew' (we were in our teens) so we hunted out a clock and discovered the missing time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 12:41:34 GMT -6
Thank you for sharing with us Pigs.
When I had my experience when I was 8, I had missing time too. I had missing time from when the gray made me go to sleep because I was on the sofa in the living room one moment, then he touched my forehead and made my eyes close, then I was in a different room and did not remember how I got there...
I don't remember you telling your story on here, I was wondering if you could elaborate on what happened to you?
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Post by Steve on Apr 21, 2012 13:42:57 GMT -6
Missing time in any potential abduction event is never really so clear cut. Unless there were others present to confirm someone is missing (why many abductions occur during accepted sleeping hours - it often is intentionally arranged that way - driving cars too - catch the subject when isolated alone or in a group - out of view - out of mind of others) - the only other way possibly is the experiencers own perceptions. It is not meant to be easy to pinpoint - so I commend you for delving deeper into the 'what if's' that particular day or night. One person recalls only pulling out of his garage - then seemingly forgetting something, pulls back into the same garage seconds later - only noticing blood on his pants now. The person staggers back into his kitchen only where another (spouse) remarks he has been gone for hours and was worried. He is then rushed to the hospital. Other than the blood on his pants - the only other reality check was fortunately the other person noting they had gone missing for some time. That is not always the fortunate case. I remember the old neat Star Trek episode where they took the air force pilot aboard the Enterprise, and spend most of the episode trying to clear up their presence in 1960's Earth. They eventually go back in time as part of their method to return to the future - and essentially go back to when they originally picked up the air force pilot - "there will be nothing to remember - because it will have never happened....". I don't think missing time may require such an elaborate leap frog of time itself. Though anything is possible. The human mind 'they' well know can be easily altered - erasing memories - replacing with new ones. The human mind can - quite well in fact - be it's own time machine related to perception. I always feel odd asking if someone has thought they may have had 'missing time'. I feel it clearly occurs - it is just not a really fair question to the possible experiencer - because they are usually sorting it all out still themselves. The question can also become leading. So I usually let them pose the question to me first as one possible alternative scenario. One problem is the media has inundated the concept of 'missing time' beyond Budd Hopkins's first discoveries of this - confirmed extensively by other researchers. So the client may already be thinking along those lines. Along with therapists, military, law enforcement and others - the use of regressive hypnotherapy is a good tool to explore retreaving some possible facts - missing time among them. Hypnotherapy is always misunderstood. Testimony from hypnotherapy correctly is not admissible in a court situation. It is an investigative tool only. That is how debunkers deceive about hypnosis. It is only to look for other information to connect to something more tangible - connecting the sub conscious with the conscious. Note I underline 'possible'. Yet, even if the subconscious has been accounted for - there can be usually 'blocks' present. Placed there by either by the experiencer as a coping mechanism - or very likely too by the phenomenon itself. The phenomenon is very proactive. One Harvard researchers who believes it is all sleep paralysis or something else - or some other more common childhood emotional trauma perhaps (who knows - anything else matching their already formed conclusions) - don't even have a clue they are in a contest. Retrieving vs. concealing certain memories. The subconscious mind also has different rules about what it interprets as reality or not. But much of this is already well understood and assessed by interpreting therapists. Like I earlier wrote - commend you in searching deeper - the menagerie being explored is a very personal one - and is sometimes complex - but I think the answers whatever they may turn out to be are there too. Steve
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 21, 2012 22:45:21 GMT -6
Hi Steve, Jo and Lorelie. Thanks for your comments and food for thought.
There are reports that time can be manipulated during these strange encounters, neighbourhoods go quiet and no traffic or pedestrians pass by, nobody else in the vicinity reports seeing an object so huge it could hardly be missed. Alternatively, as Randy reported, people seem to have a blind spot and can't see the obvious, they carry on oblivious to event. No wonder it's so confusing! So be it 3.5 hours or 10 minutes by our clock perhaps it's immaterial to the visitors. It may be that the time elapsed is determined by the circumstances of the event, to make it appear seamless, like the guy forgetting something in his garage. "They" certainly mucked it up that day, lol.
"The human mind can - quite well in fact - be it's own time machine related to perception."
I think that is how they get away with it - only now and again they slip up, not anticipating teenagers on a curfew or physical evidence such as blood on trousers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 1:08:17 GMT -6
They do make dumb mistakes (to us dumb) they got my friend and I on the wrong horses..a mistake we'd never have made ourselves..so they aren't infallible..which pleases me
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 22, 2012 4:36:37 GMT -6
Hi Lorelie, I'll tell you about my experience.
It started as an orange orb or fireball high in the sky. It was about as big as Venus but glowing orange like coal in the fireplace. I had seen 3 of them travelling in a row the previous year so I stopped to watch this one move across the sky from the north in a southerly direction (as had the others.) It was dark, around 7.30pm, autumn in Sydney, Australia.
The fireball started to fall to earth like a meterorite, all flames with a firey tail behind it. It grew larger the closer it came and when impact was imminent it stopped in mid air. The flames faded to a glow which faded to black. What was left was a black triangle, not parallel to the ground but a standing triangle if you like, a witches hat. The matt black seemed to absorb the light making it very difficult to see against the night sky but it was very close. Next it emitted two white gaseous eruptions from both of it's upright sides, they shot out like steam from a boiling kettle, I thought they were search lights at first but then they began to curl and drift like smoke from a chimney.
It began to move slowly to the right, away from me, it seemed as if it were about a block away from my front verandah. It continued for about 120 meters until it was due east of me then turneds 90 degrees so it was moving from the east to the south, then changed direction again back towards me, travelling north again. In other words in did a big U-turn until it was directly overhead.
I can remember craning my neck right back to look up at it and then realised it wasn't a triangle but a four sided pyramid. The four sides formed a square at the bottom which were lit up in an unbroken line of white light around the edge which was very bright but didn't seem to illuminate anything around it, not the night sky nor us.
At some point while the pyramid was travelling back towards me I noticed my husband and son standing beside me. I was talking to them but getting no response, I remember all of us craning our necks to look up at the object above us. It just sat there, in the air, making no noise and doing nothing. The seconds ticked by and I started to get uncomfortable - what was going to happen next? - I didn't want to find out so I told my husband and son we should go inside. They just stood there like manequins and it was then I realised they were in some type of trance. They were quite tractable, I took their arms and walked them back inside like I was leading someone who was blind. My husband just stood in the loungeroom for maybe 10 seconds then slowly came to his senses, he was disorientated and when I started talking about the UFO he shouted at me and said there was no UFO, it was a plane.
There was communication of sorts between the object and myself although I don't think the object was animated, I sensed multiple presences with one principal presence. It was not what most people think of telepathy, there were no words or images or messages. It was just a sensation of unconditional love, I've never felt so loved before, I didn't want it to end but it did. I recall that it ended before I noticed my husband and son beside me, definately before the object was directly overhead.
So that was that - go figure?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 15:16:03 GMT -6
I'd trade experiences with you gladly. I HAVE felt that exact sensation (telepathy not in the way we think of it) but overwhelming feelings of being loved..but that one had nothing to do with a ship..more of a 'vortex' of clouds in the sky. I haven't mentioned that one to many people because I consider it more 'spiritual' and I always feel a need to be a tad careful before I get too preachy Still..I do know exactly that feeling and I am SO happy you mentioned it.. Thank you for sharing Pigs
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 16:34:17 GMT -6
Pigs, that is absolutely amazing... the sensation of love and your family being held in a type of a trance... wow! Sounds like you had a beautiful loving experience for sure- lots of people have recalled experiences of that sort... Me, when the gray was staring into my eyes that one night, I sensed what he was thinking. You know how when you look into a set of eyes- be it human, canine or equine- you can sense something from it. You can sense the emotion behind the eyes, you can sense the intelligence behind the eyes and you can almost know what the man or beast is thinking without actual words... just an instinctive knowing... That's what I experienced when the gray stared at me up in front of my face... I was horrified- but it was not because of the color of the eyes. It was not because of how large they were... it was- admittedly- partially due to the fact that he was so close to me and staring at me... but the biggest part of the terror I was experiencing was what I saw behind those eyes... it was unlike anything else I had ever seen before and it was truly terrifying... I somehow knew he was looking into me just as I was looking into him... I just knew it... but I also knew he was able to understand much more about me than I was able to understand about him... it was almost as if he was reading a complicated technical manual and it was a fascinating subject... that's exactly the feeling I got from those eyes... almost like a proud parent type of feeling but extremely stifled... not like a human emotion... very slight almost not there... but still there somewhat... I didn't sense any love from him... more of a scientific curiosity and a caution- a caution to not cause harm to my mind/brain... but that was all I sensed from him that night...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 16:40:49 GMT -6
Of course shortly after that "mind scan" (that's what other experiencers call it) was when I heard the voice in my head...
It's almost as if they can communicate telepathically in more than one way... the way you experienced- i.e. no words just feelings... then the actual voice inside the head...
...very interesting indeed...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 17:00:29 GMT -6
I'd trade experiences with you gladly. I HAVE felt that exact sensation (telepathy not in the way we think of it) but overwhelming feelings of being loved..but that one had nothing to do with a ship..more of a 'vortex' of clouds in the sky. I haven't mentioned that one to many people because I consider it more 'spiritual' and I always feel a need to be a tad careful before I get too preachy Still..I do know exactly that feeling and I am SO happy you mentioned it.. Thank you for sharing Pigs Jo- that's incredible! A vortex of clouds... I presume you thought that loving emotion was coming from God or possibly from angels... that's what I would have thought as well if that had happened to me I think...
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 22, 2012 20:00:33 GMT -6
It's good to hear that others have had a sense of communication from visitors. Jo, I'd be interested if you could expand on your story, more detail about the vortex of cloud would be good.
Lorelie, when you had the "knowing" about the grey and you were terrified, did you sense any maliciousness or intent to harm?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 20:47:32 GMT -6
It's good to hear that others have had a sense of communication from visitors. Jo, I'd be interested if you could expand on your story, more detail about the vortex of cloud would be good. I also would love to hear more about this story... Lorelie, when you had the "knowing" about the grey and you were terrified, did you sense any maliciousness or intent to harm? No... not really... but I had this sense that he could hurt me if he wanted/needed to... not really sure how to explain it...
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Post by skywalker on Apr 22, 2012 22:20:19 GMT -6
Hi Steve, Jo and Lorelie. Thanks for your comments and food for thought. There are reports that time can be manipulated during these strange encounters, neighbourhoods go quiet and no traffic or pedestrians pass by, nobody else in the vicinity reports seeing an object so huge it could hardly be missed. Alternatively, as Randy reported, people seem to have a blind spot and can't see the obvious, they carry on oblivious to event. No wonder it's so confusing! So be it 3.5 hours or 10 minutes by our clock perhaps it's immaterial to the visitors. It may be that the time elapsed is determined by the circumstances of the event, to make it appear seamless, like the guy forgetting something in his garage. "They" certainly mucked it up that day, lol. "The human mind can - quite well in fact - be it's own time machine related to perception."I think that is how they get away with it - only now and again they slip up, not anticipating teenagers on a curfew or physical evidence such as blood on trousers. I think they are able to manipulate time somehow also. When I got zapped by that beam of light I was in an apartment building in the middle of a city right across the street from a major university. As bright as that beam of light was it should have been visible for miles around but nobody saw it or reported it. I'm thinking that to any people in the area it may have seemed like nothing more than a flash of light...like lightning maybe...even though for my friend and I it lasted several seconds or minutes, or even longer. I don't know if there was missing time or not because I was asleep when it first started so I have no way of knowing how much time went by. It was interesting that your husband said the UFO was just an airplane. Barney Hill tried to dismiss his encounter in a similar fashion.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 23, 2012 0:59:06 GMT -6
I have 2 comments, 1; my missing time would have not been noticed by me or my boyfriend when we were taken because when we were placed back in the car we had no idea of what time it was for 3 reasons, 1) my watch had stopped working completely at 9:06pm, 2) there was no clock in the car, and 3) being young we didn't feel that it was any later in the sense that we weren't 'sleepy' until the wee hours of the morning on a regular basis. However, being 17 and in my mom's car, when we were late she was sure to let me know about it, and insisted that I was making the whole story up to get out of trouble, even though it was not typical for me to be late OR make things up. So yes, missing time is a tricky thing that I think they get by with for the most part due to our own ability to allow time slips and even to repress things that make us seriously uncomfortable. 2nd thing to comment on is that when my daughter and I saw a ufo a few yrs. back , from a short distance from us it still looked to be an airplane it wasn't until it was within a few hundred feet that we could clearly tell that this was a ufo and then it decided to show off for us by going straight over our car, turning back slightly then turning completely on it's side and hovering for 2 or 3 min. before taking off very fast. I could not tell you if we were taken or not during this sighting because I hadn't looked at the clock before we saw it and really had no idea of what length of time we'd been gone, and since we'd spent a good time lolly gagging in walmart my husband didn't think much of our time we were gone either...but she has , since then told me she thinks she is being taken and describes in great detail some events that she is able to remember first hand. I'm now going through this with my youngest who has been coming to me telling of his dreams of seeing ufo's and their occupants, he feels this compulsive need to draw the images out for me too, just as I did as a child. Keep in mind this isn't something I speak openly about at home, the abductions that is. I do speak of alien life and ufo's on occasion , mainly so that if my kids are being taken, they will have some idea of who and what they are and won't be afraid to confide in me if needed...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 11:10:48 GMT -6
Pigs, there is a philosophy that if you want the 'divine' in your life..you have to ask them in and ask for their manipulation or help in your life. I did that years ago as a child and the spiritual is very important to me..a balance between it and the more grounded walk. I suppose it's been 4 years now but on mothers day a few years back I ended up having open heart surgery and a 6 way by-pass because major arteries leading to my heart had failed. So..during the process..apparently it didn't want to just rush back to work and I had a NDE. I don't remember much of it because my mind tends to block out a lot of what it considers trauma (since the abduction and childhood incident). I do remember seeing the surgeon and team and a view of myself I don't treasure and I did return with a message..that there is SO much more to life than we comprehend. Ok..you can't open a door like that and then close it again..especially not a woman. We are too drivingly curious..pushy and whiny...(I am). So..just hearing there is So much more pounding through my new arteries wasn't ever going to be enough and I started to 'pick' at anyone who might be listening. Validate this..you can't start something then stop it..you can't expect me not to ask..you can't expect me not to want to know..etc..like a childish broken record..except this had a lot of passion behind it..tears..real need. It's like I could not keep a balance if I didn't understand there was a balance to keep. And one day it was almost dusk and I was being kind of aimless..when I get a message. It's the only way to put it when you receive something that you would not ordinarily think. This is how I receive a lot of things for others when I am doing a reading..it's just 'there' in my brain but has nothing to do with my life or circumstances. I just 'know'. Go walk the dog down in the ball field. Says the message. But I had already walked the dog and it was getting darker..so I knew it was a 'message' and I've learned not to ignore those. I took the dog down to the ball field and I couldn't stop looking up..there were lots of clouds..but they looked like they had been airbrushed into one direction..all being 'sucked' into one point in the sky..and that point was radiating light..like the sun was behind them and rays were shining through. But the sun had set in a different direction (I was facing east). Like being hit with a hammer I felt this enormous presence..pulsing out with the light rays. Didn't say a word..but I could feel it pounding in me. In a heartbeat I swung around like I was being threatened only I wasn't ..I was ready to protect this thing from anything that might threaten it. This was all very surreal..like some dumb knight willing to slay a dragon to protect the kingdom..and later I'd feel like a loon...but at the moment..I was the knight with the rusty sword. I 'felt' something like a chuckle or maybe a snicker. That I would be needed to protect this but at the same time my need to protect it was accepted by it, like it was it's due. And I felt that same sense of love you described. I couldn't do any wrong in it's eyes..I would never be censured. Then it dismissed me like a door closing. I felt wrung out, blessed, amazed and validated. Since then there have been a couple of other little incidents when I get too low to pick myself up. One day the song 'don't worry be happy' would not stop going through my brain..then it switched to a phone number I didn't recognize but it wouldn't stop replaying until I drove me to dial it. No one home but when the answering machine picked up..don't worry be happy played. That kind of thing. Nothing similar to the first ET visitation I had or the abduction. Nothing similar at all. One was mystifying the other terrifying. It's hard for me to hear people talking about the gray's being 'good' or saving humanity when I felt nothing like that at all..I was hurt and terrified and worse by those thugs. The other thing was as special and different as possible
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Post by skywalker on Apr 23, 2012 11:52:13 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing that with us, Jo. I remember you told me about it back when it first happened. Do you have any thoughts on what the thing in the clouds might have been, or what was causing it? Or is it one of those things (like God) that people can't even begin to comprehend?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 12:55:21 GMT -6
I have no idea Sky..they just looked like clouds streaming into a vortex. But..I'm positive it had no connection to the nasty little gits that abducted my friend and I ;D The flavor was spiritual not extra terrestrial
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 13:42:16 GMT -6
I have no idea Sky..they just looked like clouds streaming into a vortex. But..I'm positive it had no connection to the nasty little gits that abducted my friend and I ;D The flavor was spiritual not extra terrestrial Wow... A riveting tale indeed Jo... I wish I could comment on it but I suddenly find myself wordless... just... "wow..."
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 23, 2012 18:51:58 GMT -6
Jo, that sounds so like the feelings I experienced and though I try to think of a negative aspect to the event or a hidden agenda I can't find one. The potential "missing time" or lack of recall of when my family came outside is the only thing that strikes me as suspect.
Your story of the phone number and song is quite striking, it goes way beyond mere synchronicity or co-incidence. You also mentioned a chuckle or sense of amusement from the presence when you felt it was threatened and you were prepared to defend it, it reminds me of something a nun said on a TV documentary about monastic life.
She said that sometime after she took her vows she fell deeply in love with a man, she had no idea that love between a man and a woman could be this way and she felt cheated that she couldn't pursue a relationship. She was angry at God, she thought he had tricked her into becoming a nun and one day when working alone in the fields she gave vent to her fury, shouting at the sky and telling God exactly what she thought of him. As she was shouting she felt a presence and she sensed it was laughing at her, not in a dismissive or belittling way but in the way a parent might laugh at some innocent misunderstanding of their child. She had the feeling of overwhelming love wash over her, it was reassuring and she received the understanding that her love for this man was nothing in the grand scheme of things, it was real and valuable but it was a small thing, like an ant compared to the elephant. Of course the nun believes she was communicating with God and who's to say she wasn't - it was him she was shouting at, after all.
Thanks for sharing Jo, by the way what type of readings do you do?
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 23, 2012 19:11:47 GMT -6
CitizenK, thank you for telling your story and I had a similar experience with my son when he was young. From a young age, when he started to get a handle on drawing, his favourite subjects were planets and trains. He would draw planets, stars, suns, clouds and moons. They sometimes had little faces and he would make up stories about them, he cut out pieces of paper and made a game of dominos but instead of dots, we had to match the pictures of clouds, suns, etc. Like you, I never talked much about UFO's etc in front of the kids.
My son did see a ufo when he was older, maybe around 8 years. I was driving him and his mate to McDonalds for dinner one night and on the way I noticed a very strange cloud over the local school. It was not in the sky as much as it was over the roof and it appeared lit from within, glowing. I said nothing but on the way home it was still there and I drew the boys attention to it saying, "What's that?" My son was excited, "It's a UFO, it's a f'n UFO!". His mate said nothing, he just looked frightened.
I changed our route to drive directly by the school and then noticed some lights in the nature reserve nearby. It was like a search light pointing up to the sky - but from the middle of the bush? I wanted to get out and take a look but the boys were frightened so I went back home. The cloud over the school had gone.
When we got home my son was very angry at the UFO's saying they shouldn't come here, they should mind their own business and he made all sorts of boyish threats should they ever bother him. The strangest thing was my son didn't see a glowing cloud over the school, he saw a flying saucer, Billy Meirer style, with a ring around it like Venus. Go figure?
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