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Post by auntym on May 8, 2012 12:33:24 GMT -6
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/alien-abduction-research-lucid-dreams_n_1498186.html'Alien Abduction' Research Suggests Episodes Are Actually Lucid DreamsPosted: 05/08/2012 By: Natalie Wolchover Published: 05/07/2012 03:49 PM EDT on Lifes Little Mysteries Hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens. In a typical case, an abductee recounts lying in bed one night when an eerie feeling overcomes him, and alien beings appear out of nowhere. The extraterrestrials transport him to a spacecraft and subject him to a battery of physical and psychological tests. After what seems like hours, he is returned to his bedroom unharmed, and finds that the whole ordeal transpired in minutes. Abductees think their traumatic experiences were real. However, most psychologists think abductions are lucid dreams or hallucinations, triggered by an awareness of other people's similar experiences. One recent experiment, in which participants trained in lucid dreaming techniques were able to dream up vivid alien encounters, supports this hypothesis. But if each perceived abduction is just the latest in a series of hallucinations, what was it that triggered that first dream or delusion? How was the alien abduction story born? Paranormal investigators say it all started in the 1940s and '50s. The Space Age was upon us, and sci-fi literature was soaring in popularity with human-alien encounters a recurring theme. In July 1946, "Planet Comics" ran a strip in which aliens used a luminous tractor beam to kidnap a voluptuous female earthling, whom they called Specimen 9. They tell her the abduction is part of "Project Survival," and as they steer their spaceship toward what looks like Saturn, the leader remarks, "Now home. And if you find our methods ruthless, Specimen 9, it is because our needs are desperate." Likewise, in 1954, a comic strip appearing in the British tabloid The Daily Express detailed the alien abduction of a Royal Air Force pilot. Dozens of other abduction stories graced the pages of sci-fi novels and comic books. CONTINUE READING: www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/alien-abduction-research-lucid-dreams_n_1498186.html
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Post by sunbow on May 12, 2012 12:45:42 GMT -6
It occurred in the long distant past. Dreams don't leave scoops of skin missing. This is an attempt to hide the truth. Most here know for sure that they did not have lucid dreams. It is good to see what those who are deceiving humanity come up with.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 13:05:43 GMT -6
It occurred in the long distant past. Dreams don't leave scoops of skin missing. This is an attempt to hide the truth. Most here know for sure that they did not have lucid dreams. It is good to see what those who are deceiving humanity come up with. You know, I have to agree with some of the skeptics when they say that SOME abduction accounts are lucid dreams and/or sleep paralysis. I have experienced both so... It can be extremely realistic and very scary... but... I know not all accounts are lucid dreams or sleep paralysis...
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Post by skywalker on May 12, 2012 14:01:00 GMT -6
I agree with that also. Some of them are...but not all. The problem with these skeptics is that they are trying to explain away all abductions instead of accepting the possibility that some of them might be true. They think that if sleep paralysis or lucid dreaming is a real phenomenon than that means that alien abductions can't exist. It's not that simple though.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 14:07:59 GMT -6
I agree with that also. Some of them are...but not all. The problem with these skeptics is that they are trying to explain away all abductions instead of accepting the possibility that some of them might be true. They think that if sleep paralysis or lucid dreaming is a real phenomenon than that means that alien abductions can't exist. It's not that simple though. Yea... when those aliens get in your head they can make things happen... they can MAKE it seem like you're having a dream... they can hypnotize you just by looking at you... they are capable of all kinds of weird stuff...
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Post by onlychild on May 13, 2012 20:01:08 GMT -6
I have never had a classic abduction - have had dreams related to them ... but that didn't begin until I started to read about the subject.
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Post by skywalker on May 13, 2012 21:31:08 GMT -6
Reading about a subject can cause dreams about it. It seems that our waking lives follow us into the dream world to a certain extent. I'm kind of curious to know what made you decide to start reading about abductions?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 0:54:08 GMT -6
At least I have that bit of anchor. My first little encounter was in 1954 or thereabouts..there was no material about aliens or abductions available to a 5 year old child..we didn't even have a tv yet and I'd never heard of Orson Wells and our town in the country was small and isolated..my life was very isolated..still the 'monster' I described to my parents was a 'Grey' and they concluded nightmare. In 62' about the time my friend and I were abducted..the only thing we were interested in were horses and boys..not FBI men and aliens (again..which neither of us had any knowledge of). So..I didn't have a bunch of influence from other sources. Perhaps some of this stuff is lucid dreaming but ...do we really look for the stuff of nightmares? Can we really manufacture in our minds something that incredibly different and terrifying? I know when my mind wanders and when I have some psychic message..it remains in terms that are familiar to me..not something alien. And Sunbow is right..scoop marks..my peeling bruises..needle marks..ets..are not manufactured by our over active imaginations. I don't think 'dreams' of needles in the eye or navel are either. Nope..not buying the lucid dreaming thingy ma bob
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Post by onlychild on May 14, 2012 5:42:58 GMT -6
Reading about a subject can cause dreams about it. It seems that our waking lives follow us into the dream world to a certain extent. I'm kind of curious to know what made you decide to start reading about abductions? Like jokelly, I never knew the subject existed either. Sure there were sightings documentaries that I grew up with, TV / movie flicks, but nothing on abductions - I never heard the "contact" stories printed in the 50s and on either. Between '55 and '93 I was in phase one of what was going on in my life, which basically was a study from '73 onward of the New Testament from a scholastic point of view, and trying to find the origins involved. It was a ridiculously long period of time, and probably was a timing thing as the next piece was Dr LaViolette's superwave - and that wasn't published yet. Anyway, in '93 I simply woke up one morning with a single line running through my head - "The alien connection." I had absolutely no idea what that was about, but treated it like everything else I was looking at and off to the used book stores I went - now looking for a subject on aliens. Shocker - there was a subject on ET. It would be some time before the connection between everything was made, but welcome to constructivist teaching.
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Post by sunbow on May 14, 2012 17:33:27 GMT -6
when those aliens get in your head they can make things happen. Yeah, I believe that. It seems like for me it probably also started as a child. I believed in aliens before I had any idea what they might be or had seen anything to influence me. Reality is Much stranger than imagination. I have been working the last few years trying to really watch my mind and to know what thoughts are me, the me I want to be, and casting out the other stuff. It is really hard to tell the difference, but sometimes thoughts arise that I would wonder, 'Where did that come from?' Then I analyze what it is and what the implications are. Media puts all kinds of nasty stuff in our heads, so I stay away from a lot of it. Meditation clears the mind and so I embrace it. Thoughts have a great power. I believe we must really know ourselves to deal with the current alien occupation of the Earth.
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Post by lois on May 14, 2012 20:25:47 GMT -6
My first ufo sighting was in 1948, it resembled Saturn. I thought it was a blimp, but yes I did dream right afterwards for a few years, something was coming to get me out of the skies. If I heard a plane motor in my dream, I would go hide in the neighbors garden, til it passed. I did not have this dream before I witness this object. Something lying beneath which I was not aware of in association with that object gave me the dreams I believe. I never understood why when I woke up. During the day, the thought of the dream was forgotten. But it always came back. I never thought about it til my encounter with ship after I had four children. Then I knew what I had seen in 47, but I never had ufo dreams after the latter at all.
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Post by lois on May 14, 2012 20:27:55 GMT -6
The 48 should of been 47, I was four that June, it was in July or August.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 0:48:13 GMT -6
Seems to always be in the summer..both of mine were. Maybe they don't function so well when it's cooler ..
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Post by skywalker on May 15, 2012 18:55:58 GMT -6
I wonder if there are more cases of lucid dreams and sleep paralysis in the summer too?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 19:06:08 GMT -6
Seems to always be in the summer..both of mine were. Maybe they don't function so well when it's cooler .. I've read that on other forums too Jo... a lot of people think they like to do it when it's warm... I honestly don't remember what time of year my experience happened... I want to say it was dark outside though which means it was winter time (in the summer time it's daylight most of the time depending on what month we're in... right now the sun's been setting at around 11 pm I guess... I really don't pay much attention to it anymore until it starts to get darker around August then I get depressed cuz I know it'll get a lot worse lol...) but I'm really not sure... Could have been the beginning of the school year... or maybe summer vacation... I dunno cuz I remember my sister and I were playing with barbies the next morning inside so... ~shrug~ That's the last part of the memory I have is playing barbies with my sister sitting on the floor on her side of our room and I told her about what happened... I dunno...
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Post by skywalker on May 15, 2012 19:15:13 GMT -6
Did she believe you or did she think you were nuts?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2012 2:18:48 GMT -6
Did she believe you or did she think you were nuts? I don't remember... I remember my mother's reaction... staring at me with her mouth open... and my father getting mad at me and telling me to stop freaking out over a nightmare... but I don't remember what my sister said at all...
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Post by sunbow on May 17, 2012 15:09:56 GMT -6
Is it summertime because humans are out and about, or because the aliens prefer warmth?
Do they like dry climates? Do they not abduct during rain storms or are people not out in the rain?
It would be interesting to get some real statistical data to see if there are definite trends. Unfortunately the social taboo of the abduction phenomena puts the advantage of hiding in their court, which seems to be what they want, though it may not be in humanities best interest!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 20:39:56 GMT -6
When the forum first started we did a lot of 'comparison' shopping from the encounters people here have had. Summer seemed to be the preferred time so hey..maybe they're on some family vacation and we're the entertainment? Us..rafting on rivers..Them..probing humanoids..
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 13:43:31 GMT -6
It's so hard to come up with that type of data. Only UFO-ologists take the subject with any serious care and then they can only try to build a data base from those who come forward and they are not so many. I won't talk about my abduction unless it's someone I am very comfortable with..skeptical scientists do not fit that criteria. Trying to obtain a world wide data base is no small task.
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Post by Steve on May 18, 2012 16:16:53 GMT -6
'Lucid dreams' is another very insufficient theory to the abduction mystery. Before it was swamp gas, then sleep paralysis.
A very important recent abduction case I am extremely familiar with involved 5 individuals abducted at the same time and at the same location. The detailed transcripts of several of the persons involved described the same events from their own vantage points. The descriptions were near identical subjectively describing the objects, events. Where they were separated, they each described their individual experiences, and they meshed when brought back together in the story line. All five shared the same lucid dream?
This makes the whole idea of alien abductions being lucid dreams not only stupid, but totally preposterous. Sure they could have confabulated before hand, but interviewed individually, and placed individually under hypnosis to enhance their recall, could lucid dreaming explain how the information gathered under hypnosis from the subconscious of each individual which they could not share about beforehand also match too?
If alien abductions were a mental issue, then this demonstrates 'alien abductions' are contagious. Of course it is not. When is science going to have the guts to look objectively at ALL the facts? Their grant based science can't conceive perhaps the possibility maybe it is more or less occurring as described.
I watch the funny video of the sesame street aliens trying to talk with the telephone with no success. In a role reversal, SETI thinking they can receive alien signals from space is likely to achieve the same result..nada! These are the same scientists that amusingly think this is all sleep paralysis and lucid dreaming.
Love science, hate seeing scientists look so stupid. Lucid dreaming is just one more theory for abductions - a pathetically weak theory, not to be confused as an answer. Scientists cannot accept aliens could possibly travel here. They tell us,why Earth then? That is a deceptive misstatement - they likely travel to other countless places too. These same scientists cannot accept either that theoretical and quantum physics give hints the great distances in space may not be so vast. And worse..... why would aliens ever visit Joe and Jane Blow instead of them with their pathetic self important egos and college debt?
500 years ago it was discovered, but only slowly accepted Earth was not the center of the Universe. When are humans going to regard themselves in that same light 500 years later?
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Post by lois on May 18, 2012 19:43:16 GMT -6
yes! There has been so many cases of mass abductions. The Allagash four for one. The hickman case in Mississippi I believe. Also the Hopkinsville case in Kentucky. Walton with his co-workers..just to mention a few. Were they all having the same dream at the same time?
Like Jo states.. when I was four we did not have a TV. Did not go to any movies either. I never read any books period. Not sure if that was just a sighting or an abduction. My Mother would of notice me gone for sure. She watched me from the window if I was out alone. I believe my missing time at six was an abduction. I was gone most the afternoon and I WAS MISSED..
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Post by skywalker on May 20, 2012 11:56:15 GMT -6
There are way too many cases that don't conveniently fit under any of the usual theories. Skeptics don't seem to understand that...probably because they don't want to.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2012 14:45:39 GMT -6
Skeptics have selective hearing and reading.
They see what they want to see, they hear what they want to hear. If someone makes a statement which contradicts what they believe in, they say the person is lying.
Take UFO4peace for example. Anyone who says something which contradicts his beliefs is an automatic liar.
Five people can't possibly be sharing the same hallucination or dream. The odds of that being so are exponentially against this theory.
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Post by skywalker on May 20, 2012 20:18:47 GMT -6
I think scientists are sometimes too smart for their own good. they come up with a theory that they think is brilliant and then run with it thinking that it explains everything when actually it doesn't. I remember reading about a palaeontologist who believed that the dinosaurs all died because the thinning atmosphere gave them all cataracts and they couldn't see to find food. He actually believed that was the correct theory. Never mind the fact the 95% of all life on the planet...including the creatures in the ocean...all went extinct at the same time the dinosaurs did. I guess they all got cataracts too.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 0:32:22 GMT -6
Science can be over focused..that's for sure but consider that most of the world is looking for answers. I think it's our job to look for answers down here and that when we stop looking..we already have a foot in the grave but there are so many people that don't want to look that hard so they hop on the most 'brainiac' source they can find and never even consider letting their own common sense examine what they're hopping on. If Hawking says it or Kaku or (insert phd of choice here)..then it has to be right. Sometimes the lil guy gets it right first..or the writer with the great imagination or the psychic or the amateur astronomer. Don't get me wrong..I admire great minds..I just don't happen to think all great minds college graduates
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Post by onlychild on May 21, 2012 8:10:30 GMT -6
I think it's our job to look for answers down here and that when we stop looking..we already have a foot in the grave .... But that "continual looking" (regarding ET) and coming up empty handed, without considering that "the answer is not (or actually no longer) there" is a major problem. There is a point where you should stop looking - the point when you find yourself looking at the same information, over and over, and expect different results.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 10:05:03 GMT -6
In regards to the 'alien' thing..I don't look at all anymore and half of what is 'reported' just seems like someone else's nightmare. When it is meant to come clear..it will. I'm more concerned now at this point of my 'evolution' in being the best person I can be to those around me and moving in positive directions forward. I enjoy reading the 'searches' of others..the ideas and personal opinions but I stay aware that they are just that. No one has the answers yet but everyone might have a small piece of the puzzle ;D
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Post by charles on May 21, 2012 15:36:16 GMT -6
Hi all! Just to throw something else into the mix with my observation about this, a little thought floated through my mind! There have been comments about an increase in abductions during the summer period - and what has crossed my mind is that is there a general increase in the amount of alcohol consumed during the summer (certainly over here, there is usually a higher proportion of people getting pulled for and charged with drunk-driving than at Christmas - to do with better weather & sitting outside in the pub garden or going out to country pubs). Could it be that with the state of mind already altered with alcohol they are more likely to remember something untoward having happened (as I'm sure one or ten of us here has woken up in the morning saying "Gee, just what did I get up to last night?? !!). And I suppose my other train of thought was that would the altered state of mind cause, or facilitate an episode of either lucid dreaming or, as Lorelei threw in the mix,sleep paralysis which then may lead to the fear factor and thus the imagination runs riot and then put any unusually occurring happening in this space?? Actually another thought - if the abductions increase in the summer time, are these repeat abductions of the same person(s) or new abductees (allied to people spending time out & about in the good weather) ?? And Jo - hell yeah girl ;D ;D ;D !!! Just because there are no letters after a persons name, never mistake that lack of formal qualification for a lack of knowledge !! My sister has 3 degrees (1 BA, 2 MA), but still has to look at the backs of her hands with her fingers outstretched & thumbs out at 90 degrees to see which one looks like the letter 'L' to tell her left or right!! Okay, brain starting to overload ;D ;D !!! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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