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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 11, 2012 2:12:50 GMT -6
From: www.travis-walton.com/human.html"Two men and a woman were standing around the table. They were all wearing velvety blue uniforms like the first man's, except that they had no helmets. The two men had the same muscularity and the same masculine good looks as the first man. The woman also had a face and figure that was the epitome of her gender. They were smooth-skinned and blemishless. No moles, freckles, wrinkles, or scars marked their skin. The striking good looks of the man I had first met became more obvious on seeing them all together. They shared a family-like resemblance, although they were not identical."October, 1954, in Staffordshire, UK, Jessie Roestenberg Positive UFO EncounterOne in five pregnancies in the small Brazilian town have resulted in twins - most of them blond haired and blue eyed URL: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-angel-of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html
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Post by sunbow on Jun 12, 2012 11:04:01 GMT -6
Travis does not believe the alien people he saw were related to humans or had ever bred with humans. He stated the marsupial wolf (now extinct) as an example: if we saw one, we would believe it was canine, but that would only be external appearance.
There is of course the possibility that the babies taken by faeries in the British Isles, evolved in alien presence and are the race seen as Nordics.
Not sure the implication to Eugenics.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 13, 2012 14:29:19 GMT -6
Reading how Josef Mengele evaded capture I wonder if he had a CIA connection and was somehow connected to UFOs in South America.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 13, 2012 14:44:23 GMT -6
Are you suggesting that Mengele and the Nazis were somehow related to UFOs?
Some of the Nazis did escape to South America and continued some of the research they were doing. They were planning to rebuild their empire and continue the Third Reich but it didn't happen. There is still plenty of evidence of what they were doing though, such as the twins in the photo.
What connection do the blond-haired, blue-eyed twins have to UFOs though? Other than the similar descriptions between them and the so-called Nordic aliens.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 13, 2012 22:15:23 GMT -6
What connection do the blond-haired, blue-eyed twins have to UFOs though? Other than the similar descriptions between them and the so-called Nordic aliens. eugenics |yo͞oˈjeniks| pluralnoun [ treated as sing. ] the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Some speculate that is the true purpose of alien abductions. Although there are physiological differences. Maybe the Nordics are realy hybrids.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 14, 2012 8:37:11 GMT -6
I suppose that is a possibility. I do think they are abducting people who have certain genetic characteristics, like psychic abilities or above average intelligence, or some other unusual characteristics. Not all abductions follow that pattern but a lot of them do.
Using eugenics to try to create a race of perfect people is something that socialists have been wanting to do for a long time. They think that if they can remove all of the undesirable traits from the gene pool and only breed the desirable ones than they can cause society to be more productive. It is one of the steps toward their dream of a Utopian society where the government has total control over everything and everything works perfectly.
There have been several ways that they have gone about trying to implement this process. In the early part of the 20th century when socialism was first really starting to become a popular idea one of the most popular methods of applying eugenics was through forced sterilization, where they would arrest people that they deemed to be undesirable and forcibly sterilize them so they could not have children. The United States actually did this to tens of thousands of innocent people in the 1920s and 30s.
The Nazis took it one step further and actually started to systematically exterminate people in order to get rid of them. This was the whole reason for the Holocaust that claimed the lives of more than 6 million Jews. In addition, millions of other people such as negros, hispanics, orientals, mentally retarded and crippled people, as well as others with genetic defects were also killed. Millions of people murdered by the government...all so the politicians could have more power and control.
The eugenics dream is still continuing even today, they are just going about new ways of doing it. It is not as obvious as it used to be...but still just as insidious.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 14, 2012 22:03:04 GMT -6
Genetic engineering may be common place with more advanced races. One thing I have to credit debunkers about is it seems unlikely that another species would evolve on another planet and look just like humans even though there are physialogical differences in Nordic beings such as a larger forehead. It's likely we are a product of them or they are a product of us such as a hybrid race, ancient humans that befriended aliens and have evolved elsewhere.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 15, 2012 12:25:59 GMT -6
That makes sense. Humans always genetically engineer other animals so it could be expected that ETs would do the same to us...especially since we even keep trying to do it to ourselves.
If that is true though, and if the Nordics are an advanced race or a genetically engineered version of superhuman, I wonder why they tend to have blonde hair? Not that there is anything wrong with blonde hair or anything. I'm just curious as to why these human-aliens seem to so closely match the descriptian of the aryan race that the Nazis were trying to create?
I wonder if the Nazis may have somehow been inspired by the Nordics? We know that Hitler was very interested in the paranormal and supernatural...I would assume that would include UFOs if there was such a thing way back then. Might Hitler possibly have heard about an encounter with these Nordic aliens and tried to duplicate them?
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Post by lois on Jun 16, 2012 0:50:09 GMT -6
Sky, I never give it much thought about Hitlers blondes and the Nordics. They were both blonds.. Hope my tons of blonde hair as a child did not have a thing to do with this. ;D ;D If Nordics do exist, I put them into my way of thinking. For one timetravelers... from our future. We evolved into them as are science some how got us into a mess with there so called genius minds. We are in the young age of this right now. What comes next in a couple of hundred years? Someday when we can timetravel and find our bodies which we have evolved into is not so wonderful. How would we change that? ;D ;D We certainly would have to go back. Why ten thousand years ago. like many have claimed the alien has done.. Were they any better than us? See there is loop holes in my speculations. These thoughts all came rushing in when I woke up the next morning after my four hours missing time. Right out of my mouth telling my husband this that morning before I had coffee. I never give any thought to this before. Not even ufos or aliens. One of these two would have been hard for me to swallow and believe. why add more confusing to this awful experience than needed to be?? Was it something I was told? Darn I want to remember for this reason. No one comes back with any knowledge of a alien or what his agenda is . But maybe just maybe it is possible they do give information to some abductees. Like many say I'm not suppose to remember til the given time. What given time?. Like the horse breeders in VA. They say the aliens taught them to fly a ship. Why? If I was there only for breeding, and ugly test I don't want to remember, but what if??? I have always though Nordics was half human half something else. They just resemble us too well. We are connected in some way.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 16, 2012 20:49:48 GMT -6
There's no telling what those alien clowns are doing, Shami. Many people do claim to remember being tought to do weird things. I think Jc just had a dream where she was trapped inside of some weird cube and had to figure out a way to get out of it. I once had a dream that I was being tought to use my mind to try to control a mechanical scorpion that was trying to sting me. Maybe those were just dreams and maybe they were something else...like lessons at some weird school. Who knows what people are being prepared for. I wish I could remember more of what happened during my experience also but my mind is still pretty much blank. It's kind of frustrating.
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Post by sunbow on Jun 17, 2012 20:33:03 GMT -6
I also thought Nordics were related to humans, but Travis convinced me otherwise. He stated, he would know they were not human if one walked to him, but can't say why. He also stated, as I pointed out above, that evolution created the marsupial wolf and the canine wolf. If you know neither, you would say they were related, but they are not: wolf form is a archetype, it works in the Earth environment. There were even Therapsids that had wolf like characteristics, though that was so long ago, our information is sketchy.
If intelligent beings evolved in a world with an Earth like environment, they would likely appear as humans, though as we know, humans have a wide variety for forms that have been adaptations in the years since our mitochondrial mother Eve and the migration out of Africa 100,000 years ago.
Do not rule out the fact that Nordics, possibly several types of Nordics, evolved on other planets.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 17, 2012 23:06:07 GMT -6
I also thought Nordics were related to humans, but Travis convinced me otherwise. He stated, he would know they were not human if one walked to him, but can't say why. He also stated, as I pointed out above, that evolution created the marsupial wolf and the canine wolf. If you know neither, you would say they were related, but they are not: wolf form is a archetype, it works in the Earth environment. There were even Therapsids that had wolf like characteristics, though that was so long ago, our information is sketchy. If intelligent beings evolved in a world with an Earth like environment, they would likely appear as humans, though as we know, humans have a wide variety for forms that have been adaptations in the years since our mitochondrial mother Eve and the migration out of Africa 100,000 years ago. Do not rule out the fact that Nordics, possibly several types of Nordics, evolved on other planets. Sunbow, I have to play skeptic and disagree. It his highly unlikely that you would have ape like primates on another earth like planet evolve around the same time frame we did. Could be wrong but don't see it as possible. You could be dealing with something that is a sub culture (secret orders), or an off shoot of our own evolution.
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Post by randy on Aug 2, 2012 0:17:58 GMT -6
I support personnel freedom but also I think that selective breeding to eliminate disease and to generally improve the race is a great idea. Freedom from cancer and heart disease would be a biggee as would living 10,000 yrs without a face wrinkle. Take people with a high IQ and produce children and possibly some of them will have higher still IQs. repeat the process and come up with charles atlas with an einstein mind. sounds like a star trek movie but why not? i was for kahn in that movie a super race is a great idea. think of the world that could be created by them. i am sure some one will take opposite view
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2012 11:38:51 GMT -6
I think that every time mankind tries to 'improve' on some breed of animal...it ends up causing more problems than benefits. Hybrids in the animal kingdom are sterile..I don't think we have the brain or maturity to be playing God. Star Trek had some pretty cool android bodies too..maybe that's a better way to go.
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Post by god on Aug 3, 2012 12:45:59 GMT -6
I support personnel freedom but also I think that selective breeding to eliminate disease and to generally improve the race is a great idea. Freedom from cancer and heart disease would be a biggee as would living 10,000 yrs without a face wrinkle. Take people with a high IQ and produce children and possibly some of them will have higher still IQs. repeat the process and come up with charles atlas with an einstein mind. sounds like a star trek movie but why not? i was for kahn in that movie a super race is a great idea. think of the world that could be created by them. i am sure some one will take opposite view Umhhh...wasn't that the definition of "freedom" that Hitler had?... just wondering. GOD
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 13:37:25 GMT -6
If memory serves...yep
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Post by skywalker on Aug 3, 2012 16:38:22 GMT -6
Not just Hitler. They were doing it here in the US back in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They would arrest people they deemed to be "undesirables" and forcefully sterilize them so they couldn't have children. Population control and eugenics was one of the main componants of socialism. Hitler and the Nazis took it one step further and not only tried to control those being born but started wiping out the ones that were already alive too. Either way is downright evil in my opinion. No government should have the power to do that.
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Post by randy on Aug 9, 2012 23:26:37 GMT -6
The founder of planned parenthood was a follower of hitler and created the organization to remove human weeds as she called them. Weeds being the poor and minority peoples. Come WWII she had to recreate her image and thus it goes on. As I said I support fully personnel freedom and do not support the killing of weeds in the population. How ever creating a human race that had the body of Charles Atlas and mind of Einstein free of disease and having a life span measured in thousands of years has a lot of perks associated with it. In the star trek movie I was cheering for KAHN MAN facing the Universe with shinning teeth
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Post by skywalker on Aug 9, 2012 23:54:02 GMT -6
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Post by randy on Aug 10, 2012 23:54:26 GMT -6
No one would have to die to improve the race. If one could cure cancer with a shot that altered ones genes to be resistant to cancer that would kill no one and benefit man kind greatly. people get to blinded with Hitlerism and fail to see what could be done. Maybe I have some hold over from the greys breeding program but I believe that a great future exists for man kind free of disease and physicallly stronger and mentally stronger. Not being out to offend anyone one people react to some things as they have been taught to react assuming some things with out them being there Having spent years studying the sciences I see what can be done with effort. Freedom can be retained while gaining freedom from disease and an unlimited potential. there is nothing holy about getting cancer or heart disease.
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Post by randy on Aug 22, 2012 0:30:35 GMT -6
REcently I have read on the internet that an Ivy League college prof proposed using genetic engineering to produce "ethical children" He feels things such as racism can be engineered out of the population by playing with the genetics of new babies. While I have proposed changes to eliminate disease, prolong life and develop strong bodies the idea of political alterations to alter behavior patterns is not my idea of improving the race. A person should sill have personnel freedom to chose what they think I still think Kahn in the movie the search for spock should have lived to create another world It would have been glorious
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Post by skywalker on Aug 22, 2012 15:00:52 GMT -6
The problem with that is that people like Hitler do exist and it usually they who managed to get in positions of power. People who come up with the ideas for these genetic breeding programs may have good intentions but that doesn't mean that is what they will ultimately be used for.
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