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Post by randy on Jul 15, 2012 23:56:01 GMT -6
thinking out side the box and what if combined with some wild arm waving I have come up with this idea. During bonding with a grey the grey is in your mind snorting around doing what greys do to your minds are obviously linked as one. What if under hypnosis you are regressed to that point of mind link could a human enter the mind of the grey and access the greys knowledge. would the regression perfectly recreate the link in detail. The human could be preconditioned to resist the grey and break into the mind of the grey instead.
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Post by sunbow on Jul 16, 2012 6:47:05 GMT -6
Hypnosis will bring one back to the stored memories in the subconscious. It can also be used to enhance PSI, such as remote viewing and clairvoyance. I wonder: Would the Gray know that in the present you were revisiting that time? There is indication in many reports that it would. UFOs are sometimes reported during regressions. This might imply a new mind link in the present. You would need to be very conditioned to enter a gray's mind and not fall under its spell. Their knowledge might be incomprehensible. It is not likely that their mind works with words, though they seem to be able to cause words to be inserted into a human mind in any language, which implies they are sending the thought and the human is converting it to words in their language.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 10:54:43 GMT -6
Hypnosis will bring one back to the stored memories in the subconscious. It can also be used to enhance PSI, such as remote viewing and clairvoyance. I wonder: Would the Gray know that in the present you were revisiting that time? There is indication in many reports that it would. UFOs are sometimes reported during regressions. This might imply a new mind link in the present. You would need to be very conditioned to enter a gray's mind and not fall under its spell. Their knowledge might be incomprehensible. It is not likely that their mind works with words, though they seem to be able to cause words to be inserted into a human mind in any language, which implies they are sending the thought and the human is converting it to words in their language. Sunbow- when the one got up into my face and stared at me I was able to see what was going on in his mind... And you are right...I didn't understand the majority of what he was thinking... THAT was what scared me the most about him. It wasn't the color and the shape of the eyes... it was what was BEHIND them that scared me... All I was able to understand from him was that he was doubting himself somewhat- ever so slightly. A very human emotion but it was almost not there at all... He was thinking something along the lines of, "If I pull the wrong string I might hurt her..." That's why he was "Mind scanning" me. He was looking for a "string" if that makes any sense... but that wasn't exactly what it was it's the only word I can think of to describe it... Everything else was what he was gleaning from MY mind and THAT was the stuff I couldn't understand... it was like he knew more about how my mind works than I did... and that scared me... He also had another slight emotion coming from him like, "Aww isn't that cute? She's reading me too!" Again- it was ever so slight. Like the feeling an adult gets when he sees a child crawling around on the floor... but it was't as powerful as a human emotion... This is what leads me to believe the ones who were in my house were Verdants and NOT the little robot things... A lot of experiencers say the little ones are robots/cyborgs and they say they had the impression that they were "not alive". The one who was in my head WAS alive. I did NOT have the impression he was a machine at all. He was a conscious entity... definitely. And he was tall...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 11:56:06 GMT -6
Good observations, Lorelei. And I want to interject something here. It's not my own idea, and in fact Sunbow (as well as others) has touched on it ;D. We have talked about the greys realizing that we can be a "violent race" and that they have to approach us with "kid gloves" to keep themselves from physical harm. It has been mentioned that we have no real idea of our brains potential. According to what we all have been discussing lately, they (the greys) do. Maybe they also know we have the potential to also destroy them with our minds. Lorelei may have been sensing two types of concern here. Concern for HER well being as he "tweaked" her brain (the parent concept of wanting your child to learn-but not too fast), and the concern that her "uncontrolled" emotions, directed at him, could turn his head into a cadbury egg.
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Post by paulette on Jul 16, 2012 12:18:30 GMT -6
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I like this thread too. Ok...
The strongest link I had was the often mentioned by me farmhouse night in which we returned to the house after "hitting a wall" of do-not-come-closer. Then everyone fell asleep (apologies to people who have heard all this from me over and over.) But I am going to filter out my mental/psi impressions of the Other from that night now:
Me dancing in the rye and issuing an invitation. Response - we're coming.
Me almost writhing in fear thinking that whatever it was had powerful psi powers and was close. "Not so close little one." And a person less involved than me went and checked the second story porch and said, "Nothing is there." Then I got a flash of something/one enclosed in a ship breathing heavily and slowly (and I certainly wasn't doing slow breathing!) and in pain. In my hypnotic regression I assumed the gravity was hard for it to endure. When I realized it wasn't directly next to me that night, I could relax a bit.
After everyone immediately "fell asleep" - it drew closer and closer to me and was in my mind and I was SO AFRAID that I told it, "I'm sorry, I thought I could handle this, I think I might die of fright."
And then almost immediately my vision faded to a dot and I awoke hours and hours later. When I was being put out for an emergency C section, my doctor leaned over me, masked and said, "Goodnight Paulette" and I almost jumped off the table - and certainly remembered it immediately upon regaining consciousness that a being had knocked me out and leaned over me to be sure I was out - that night. Not thoughts one usually has in the middle of an emergency and then being presented with a baby!
I later would sometimes feel that I was being "scanned" often late at night when I was quiet and lying in bed. A lover (with his own psychic skills) said suddenly something like, "What is happening to you! I'll protect you and then he said something like, "I can't close us in - there's a cord or something that goes up and out of sight above us."
As I've reported - in dreams I have at first a "Hide!" response (because I can feel the ship drifting slowly towards where-ever I am) and then an inevitable longing/need to go outside and meet it. And then hazy blankness....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 15:22:32 GMT -6
I don't have the longing to go outside and meet it. Occasionally I get that feeling too Paulette when I have my night-time anxiety. It happened again last night- almost as if someone is telling me that I SHOULD feel that way and I always resist it because I know it is not coming from me. It's like my mind is being gently but firmly guided in the direction of, "Everything is OK! Don't worry! If they come- they come! Relax, it's all OK really it is! You can relax. Stretch out and sense them. They are coming." And I feel myself beginning to relax, then I tense up and think in my head voice, "NO! It's NOT OK!" then I get guided back into that relaxed complacency, then I tense up again and think, "NO! The LAST time I felt this way the grass was flattened in front of my house!" It's like that for me when I go to sleep maybe one or two times a month... and it was that way again last night... I can tell when I am being psychically manipulated though paulette- and it does happen every now and then...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 15:27:56 GMT -6
JC- good thoughts. He might have been concerned with himself as well- but that's not how it came across to me. It was like he didn't want to psychically damage my mind... it was psychic/psychological damage he was worried about... but it wasn't like he would have felt bad if he HAD damaged me, it was just something he wanted to avoid... but it was not out of love... of that I am certain. It was a sense of "duty" rather than affection if that makes any sense...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 16:00:18 GMT -6
It is obvious that not all experiences are alike. I think they 're disgusting little criminals who have no respect for another specie's laws or morals. I'm glad you're the much better psychic because at least that's one memory I don't have
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 16:48:19 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here is a "better" psychic Jo... I didn't mean to come across that way... The ones you remember were definitely VERY different from the ones I remember... at least from what I remember. It might have been a different story on board a craft- if they actually had taken me on board a craft... They all seem to have different personalities- other experiencers have related this... The one who got in my head seemed somewhat "soft" compared to other entities people have encountered... and I'm sorry you got the type of the @$$hole variety... ~hugz~
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Post by sunbow on Jul 16, 2012 20:16:56 GMT -6
This is a fascinating thread. Thanks all. The fact that once a 'mind-meld' or 'alien mind-scan' is made, the door opens both ways is very important knowledge. They have a strong trained will. We have powerful wild emotions. I am not sure about our will influencing them, but once they know what our emotions feel like, then its in their head. Like a movie that you watch, then wish you hadn't, but its too late.
I think we can conclude from these posts that we are dealing with living personalities (with individual quirks and foibles) and not manufactured machine intelligence in organic bodies. That's good in my opinion.
My experiences gave the impression of the Zen Master, strict and disciplined, yet a joker that is unpredictable, and finally that they wanted me to grow up and evolve to a next level. There was no remorse or ill intent in shattering my little world of illusion. Scaring the death out of someone, when you know there is no death. Violating someone, when in a telepathic universe there is no privacy and everything is out in the open. Shattering a personality, so that a higher level of being can arise. Stressing someone an inch away from breaking, so that they enter into hyper-vigilance and catch the more subtle PSI levels and the presence of time flowing from the future into the now. Quickening some deep part of us???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 20:43:28 GMT -6
That isn't something I can believe Sunbow although it beats the alternative of reasons they might be here. I think (as the alien Han Steve channels suggests) that they are a rogue species that the others frown on but don't try to control (for their own reasons). Any race that cannot respect the rights of other sentient beings..is missing some moral aspects that you would think would be more mature not less. Even God..respects free will in his creations. These things slip in secret..abduct children (all ages except the elderly?) perform painful and very humiliating tests (virginal young girls) then send them packing with missing time and bodily marks..and more. Things that stick with you a life time. I can't see anything elevating in that no matter how hard I have tried to justify their actions (and I did at first). We elevate ourselves through effort and faith and belief and soul searching..I don't think these things even have one I'm not meaning to be disagreeable..just stating my belief too With so very many differing versions..I'm beginning to think they just plant whatever they want us to believe like the gadget in men in black that wiped the memory and replaced it with whatever was wanted and I don't think they want any 'shared' anything with us...but I think we would like for it to be something more equal and less lab rat. I know I would.
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Post by sunbow on Jul 16, 2012 21:05:21 GMT -6
I don't know the truth, only my impressions, which of course could be planted. There may be more than one race doing similar things with different motives. Perhaps Randy is right and when the disbelievers come round, it will be too late and we will all perish to be replaced by hybrids (the new humanity).
I believe at least one group has had a lot to do with the spiritual traditions. Personally I believe they want us to wake up.
Never believed 'this is going to hurt me more than you' when I heard it as a kid. I don't think it was right. It did shape behavior though.
Humanity is killing our planet, our life support. Drastic measures are required, or we will not be here much longer. This is the sixth great extinction and we cannot blame them.
"The Needs of the Many Must Outweigh the Needs of the Few or the One." - Spock
The intent cannot be judged from a personal point of view. The animal in the herd that is stunned and sampled and released (to be shunned by the rest of the herd) can view human intent as totally evil, when the preservation of the entire herd may be the intent. Or the encounter might be a poacher stealing seeds. TBD.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 21:29:41 GMT -6
I didn't agree with Spock..either ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 22:24:02 GMT -6
I didn't agree with Spock..either ;D Spock who? ;D ~hides from Auntym~ ;D ;D ;D hehehehehe...
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Post by auntym on Jul 17, 2012 14:59:52 GMT -6
I didn't agree with Spock..either ;D Spock who? ;D ~hides from Auntym~ ;D ;D ;D hehehehehe... Hahaha... back in the '60's' when the series began.... all my female friends were star struck over capt. kirk... ... not me... i only had eyes for spock.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 16:50:57 GMT -6
Well he was the one with the brains..I'm sure that was it ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 19:06:17 GMT -6
I must admit Mr. Spock was a real cutie when he was younger-
I've always had a thing for the tall dark and intelligent types... ~blush~
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