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Post by lois on Jan 19, 2011 20:54:26 GMT -6
This is about the only case which comes to mind..
Is this getting more popular as time goes on?
If you know of one please post it here. thank you?
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Post by lois on Jan 19, 2011 21:06:53 GMT -6
The Allagash Four.. 2nd part.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 7:10:52 GMT -6
I remember watching the first video you shared Lois on television when I was in high school. I was very fascinated by it.
"This is not a club anyone wants to belong to." Seriously. That's sooo true...
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Post by paulette on Jan 20, 2011 10:06:40 GMT -6
"Don't be afraid...we won't harm you....just do what we say." One of the experiencers suggests its like a doctor's office - more like a vet's office in my way of thinking.
So the standard question: Were these folks ever debunked? Did their stories hold up? Did anyone later state that it wasn't what they said? (just asking)
The case is made by one man identified as a psychologist - the investigators have an agenda to believe. But most people have an agenda to not-believe. And not investigate. It is, of course, poisonous to one's career - to see people with these stories, to write about it. One's career then becomes what is left - speaking about these issues. As I have written before, this happened to a scientist acquaintance of mine who has spent 20+ years researching the Sasquatch phenomena - and being ignored and ridiculed. He just wanted to publish his findings, not convince everyone for all time. In fact, he has paid to publish his own books, which have limited circulation even though they are written in a scholarly rather than sensational way. Jane Godall wrote a contributing statement for his first book - but no science journal would touch it. (Many scientists didn't want to deal with Jane Godall and her interactive method of research either but she seems to have won a place in both the public and scientific community).
I have written about lost time before - how hard it is to determine if one experienced "lost time" given that on vacations people often don't wear or look at watches, stay up late, etc. A group would be its own alibi - we stayed up and drank and sang songs. Interesting that later at least one of the group wondered why they were all so attracted to going to the same place weekend after weekend. Together.
Maybe we all need nanny cams - in our houses, our cars, our tents...
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Post by lois on Jan 20, 2011 14:15:27 GMT -6
"Don't be afraid...we won't harm you....just do what we say." One of the experiencers suggests its like a doctor's office - more like a vet's office in my way of thinking. You said it ... Paulette Lois
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 16:41:00 GMT -6
I always feel 'short changed' when I hear accounts like that. When my friend and I wandered into trouble..no one tried soothing us or talking to us. Other people have encounters where the abductors tell them they won't be harmed, or we're here to save earth or we like strawberry ice cream but noooo I get the mute mutants from hell. Not even 'want some candy little girl'. It's a conspiracy I say.
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Post by Arctic Amazon on Jan 20, 2011 16:46:06 GMT -6
Jo... are you saying they didn't tell you anything at all?
How rude. Someone should spank them.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 20, 2011 19:20:18 GMT -6
I don't remember anything being told to me either. Of course, I don't remember much of what happened anyway. they could have recited Shakespeare to me for all I know.
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Post by Steve on Jan 20, 2011 20:48:11 GMT -6
"Don't be afraid...we won't harm you....just do what we say." One of the experiencers suggests its like a doctor's office - more like a vet's office in my way of thinking. So the standard question: Were these folks ever debunked? Did their stories hold up? Did anyone later state that it wasn't what they said? (just asking) The case is made by one man identified as a psychologist - the investigators have an agenda to believe. But most people have an agenda to not-believe. And not investigate. It is, of course, poisonous to one's career - to see people with these stories, to write about it. One's career then becomes what is left - speaking about these issues. As I have written before, this happened to a scientist acquaintance of mine who has spent 20+ years researching the Sasquatch phenomena - and being ignored and ridiculed. He just wanted to publish his findings, not convince everyone for all time. In fact, he has paid to publish his own books, which have limited circulation even though they are written in a scholarly rather than sensational way. Jane Godall wrote a contributing statement for his first book - but no science journal would touch it. (Many scientists didn't want to deal with Jane Godall and her interactive method of research either but she seems to have won a place in both the public and scientific community). I have written about lost time before - how hard it is to determine if one experienced "lost time" given that on vacations people often don't wear or look at watches, stay up late, etc. A group would be its own alibi - we stayed up and drank and sang songs. Interesting that later at least one of the group wondered why they were all so attracted to going to the same place weekend after weekend. Together. Maybe we all need nanny cams - in our houses, our cars, our tents... Hi Paulette, Jo, Always impressed with your posts both here and in the UFOmania forum about all this. I am pretty much in the same camp regarding abductions and regressive hypnosis as either a therapeutic and investigative tool. Many in the other forum and perhaps here should thoughtfully question hypnosis. As you wrote: 'truth cannot be determined by consensus of the witness and hypnotist.' I also think what you write is true: "people believe the "memories" that they retrieve. I would say that that is true of any memory (hypnotically derived or not) that a person repeats and polishes over the years. I realize the implications of saying that on this or any UFO forum." I very much agree. I hope this does not surprise people, I think RH used properly is helpful, but it is no silver bullet to proof. Just one more indicator perhaps. Is it wrong to question the process in this research? I think one must. Not self doubt, just is this the right path. One of the things that annoys me in the other forum are the moderators there it seems have never seen hypnosis done by a trained certified professional applying their skill related to possible alien abduction case first hand. I have a number of times. I expect to observe more such sessions. How the hypnotheripast is careful not to lead in questioning, and how the sessions are always recorded and transcribed to verify this. We check each other about this. That always seems to slip their minds in their criticism. If anything, it seems observing such sessions first hand, it is the witness under hypnosis that seems to do any leading. Which leads to Sanseeds insightful comment, "if you expect to see a duck, you will see..., a duck." That has concerned me about RH. A witness may already suspect a certain scenario going in. Are we just embellishing for the witness in their own mind an already preconceived memory on their part? So if I seem to support RH, to give it a try, it is also not without my own questions about it too. I feel at present, it is simply all we may have to go with. In the case of hypnosis being used in court cases, we all would agree it is not admissible as evidence, but like you mentioned, it does offer leads, perhaps later to some sort of evidence. With that preface, I find the video disturbing in it's implications if true, and again in it's seeming randomness with it's multiple witnesses. The possibility these witnesses are being herded together each weekend for a retreat just to arrange their mass abduction by aliens for their purposes. There must be some way to cross check or pinpoint something tangible it is actually occurring wouldn't you think? I mentioned about the possibility of herding in another thread here. I have read about, and in one case, two people who had never met before, had seen the other earlier aboard a craft, or in some other similar place. That is very compelling to a researcher, as much as it must be disturbing to each witness that saw the other in those strange circumstances. I & my colleagues have considered 'nanny cams'. Also tracking devices you can buy in stores embedded in children's clothes (such as pajamas). It requires several sensors placed in a location, a home or bedroom. When a child or adult for instance leaves the area the sensors are watching, the device present records the comings and goings. What is wonderful is these embedded devices in clothes do not betray themselves transmitting anything that could be detected. The fixed sensors around the location send out a signal, recording whether the embedded device present or not responds. They use such devices in clothing in stores to alert against shoplifters. Could it work to establish the physical absence of a suspected alien abductee too? A series of methods in combination might be needed. Each element individually may not reveal in itself any 'smoking gun'. But if information obtained through hypnosis is not admissible in court as evidence, it could perhaps indicate 'a lead'. A tracking device embedded in night clothes further may show activity of movement of the subject during the night for instance. Something uncovered in hypnosis might clue researchers to the possibility. Cameras, sound recording devices always seem to fail before a UFO at the critical moment. Dead batteries, then fully charged back again moments later after the object departs. (I always used to carry on a sky watch or field investigation in my pocket actually a cheap disposable film camera always ready. They cannot drain the power from that kind of camera, which uses a manual film advance and simple mechanical shutter. If that camera doesn't work, it is either because they have emitted something to expose and ruin the film in the camera, or they zapped me instead.) Does this mean then the experiencer cannot be told about being under surveillance in case an alien download later tips the aliens off? Assuming this might happen in the first place. There have been instances where a whole family was reportedly abducted, the hypnotherapist I work with who performs the regressions for us has worked with one such family. Isn't it strange that a mass abduction does not seem to corroborate witness accounts any more than a single abduction might. Steve
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Post by lois on Jan 20, 2011 21:39:25 GMT -6
Steve, This is why I have NEVER been regressed. 40 years with no memory yet. It's all because I choose my memories to be the truth and nothing else..
I must remember on my own, as I knew this would be the only way to know if it really happen.
If I never retrieve a alien face, that is ok too.
Lois shamira
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Post by lois on Jan 20, 2011 21:41:31 GMT -6
I've always wondered if I had missed a mass abduction case down through the years. Maybe two at a time but mass?
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Post by lois on Jan 20, 2011 21:45:34 GMT -6
Steve .. this avator found from a case a few years ago. It is the closest to what I saw for real. I ask sky if it could be put into a avator as I was typing my next post, there it was as my avator..
I is very real to me, even if a hoax. This photographer in Nashville who claimed to take this photo sure had some kind of insight to my encounter, if he made it up..
Lois
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Post by lois on Jan 20, 2011 21:49:01 GMT -6
My beam was wide like this but tapered up to a porthole, the bottom was gray. No smooth contour either.. Skip the lights but it was this close to me, the tree and roof was coal back for sure and I stood in the light of it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 4:55:06 GMT -6
Which leads to Sanseeds insightful comment, "if you expect to see a duck, you will see..., a duck." That has concerned me about RH. A witness may already suspect a certain scenario going in. Are we just embellishing for the witness in their own mind an already preconceived memory on their part? So if I seem to support RH, to give it a try, it is also not without my own questions about it too. I feel at present, it is simply all we may have to go with. I know I saw strange beings. I have not been hypnotized yet... but I did see the "ducks". I remember them because of how frightening their appearance was... it took me a long time to try to forget it. It was very vivid in my mind for a long time... until I rationalized it as a dream and tried to forget it. I will bring up the long arms and fingers again... because that was the scariest part. No matter how hard I try to forget that detail, I can't. Highly disturbing... What I am wondering is whether what I experienced was a dream or not. I also would like to remember more details of what they looked like. I know I am going to see ducks, because I already remember seeing them. The question is, what kind of ducks were they? Were they real ducks? What else did they do/say(if anything)?
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Post by sansseed on Jan 21, 2011 7:55:14 GMT -6
I wish I could take credit for that line, but someone here (I think bewildered) said that to me the other day. It hit home with me. It also seemed appropriate for the other conversation.
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Post by paulette on Jan 21, 2011 9:59:12 GMT -6
I WAS in a group when whatever happened happened but the individuals had very differing attitudes about TALKING about what we had experienced. I have posted that story twice - on Mufon and then UFOmania - I copied my post over to the new site. The story circulated a bit within our friends circle and I told it later - and heard others' stories in response (different times, different stories). The data I heard somewhere (Unsolved Mysteries - couldn't use that source on my thesis) was that 1/5 Americans believe they have had a UFO experience. That's a fairly high score in my opinion. If it is attention seeking self promoting then there's a lot of folks in the same boat.
I was later hypnotized by a woman who I found through a relaxation workshop. She agreed to work with me and stated she was neutral (maybe a little curious) about the subject. She made a tape and it was given to me. I made a transcript and then it and the tape was part of the many bits about UFOs that disappeared from my presence. I have written about this too as it as well is a deep mystery. Do I sleepwalk out and put these things in the garbage? I'm not a thrower away - in spite of moves across North America I still have the originals of the poetry I wrote when I was 15!
But back to the hypnosis. I garnered very little additional material - she asked questions - what happened next etc. She did say one thing that in listening to the tape creeped me out. She said something like, "And now, although you fell asleep you are aware of what happened next and can tell me." I was silent for about 3 minutes. I didn't remember hearing that question (some seemed familiar to me) but my silence was chilling as I had answered in some fashion everything she asked me. It was like - I couldn't hear that and I definitely couldn't answer that question. A validating point for me was that I spoke with a thick Texas accent (which I had when I lived in Texas and had the experience but had worked to eliminate once I moved to Canada.) I didn't even remember how noticeable it was until I heard the tape!
I was somewhat disappointed in the outcome but also pleased not to have a bunch of weird stuff that I had to doubt. She did ask a few questions that interested me: one - do you associate a color with whoever was there? I said dark green. Also - do you get any sense of them - and my answer was they were having a harder time breathing - perhaps our atmosphere or gravity was wrong. I decided that they may have stayed "on the ship" and just had a psi contact. She asked if I thought it was malevolent. I said no.
I now have re-arranged these thoughts into another possible pattern. I believe that my mental/psi contact (which was overwhelming) was with one thing/being which "knocked me out" on request because I "said" mentally that I was so frightened I might die (and I believed that). As I went "out" someone/thing bent over me to see if I was out and I caught a glimpse of it before my vision went dark and I woke up the next morning. That something/one may have been a worker/grey. I had never considered hierarchies of beings before reading some of the stuff I have been reading over the last year. I also wonder why the skinny seemingly unmuscular greys (as described) can function in our fairly robust gravity and how a being as seeming different than us could breathe our air. (I had the same skepticism about the early Star Treks in which they beamed down to a planet and breathed and didn't drop dead immediately from some allergic reaction or predator microbe.)
There does seem to be reports of people getting sick after contact with them!
The scenario in the humorous clip that Steve posted (young Akryoid aka monster) seems like the most likely group - two or three guys out in the middle of nowhere, hunting or on a drinking weekend (or both). Something happens - they agree not to talk about it. That waswhat "my" group did although I did talk about it enough to discover what happens when you talk about it (eyerolls).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 17:40:30 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing paulette. I'm glad you didn't remember anything really scary... the Texas accent tidbit of info is also very interesting... to me at least. It's like you were actually there back in time! That just goes to prove that hypnosis is not something to be scoffed at, at least in my mind.
~hugs~
According to some witnesses the greys are able to walk through walls and levitate themselves as well as the humans they are abducting. It seems that their technology allows them to sidestep the laws of physics and gravity as we understand them. These are just my thoughts however.
As far as alien microbes go, if a microbe evolves on Earth, it will be designed to affect creatures on the Earth. It will not be able to jump across to another species from another world or dimension... and if these aliens are as technologically advanced as everyone says they are, perhaps they are able to "sterilize" themselves and the people whom they abduct to prevent any such illnesses from occurring.
Maybe this is why so many witnesses report seeing them as "naked". ~shrug~
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Post by skywalker on Jan 21, 2011 20:37:18 GMT -6
As far as alien microbes go, if a microbe evolves on Earth, it will be designed to affect creatures on the Earth. It will not be able to jump across to another species from another world or dimension... Not necessarily, Lorelei. It is possible that microbes may spread from one planet to the next throughout the universe, which means that all life and all microbes may very well be related. If that is the case than they could effect beings from other planets just as easily as the ones from this one. H.G. Wells wrote about that possibility in his book The War of the Worlds. It was tiny little microbes that finally wiped out the Martian Invaders when humans were unable to stop them. How many people does it take to have a mass abduction? My friend and I both had the same experience at the same time...does that qualify? Is there a certain number of people that have to be involved? Since we were living in an apartment complex at the time they could have zapped everybody in the building and we just didn't know about it.
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Post by sunbow on Jan 21, 2011 21:29:04 GMT -6
One thing really bothered me about the first video, the word "experiment". I suspect that they know what they are doing. They might seem momentarily at a loss, as in what to do with someone's violence, but they have a plan and it gets done. This is a program that they are conducting, not an experiment. They have been about it for a long time. It is a very well orchestrated and elaborate program with very specific goals. They are very advanced in some ways. They have purpose and intent.
Important: the program has a very sexual element. Why? I do not buy the 'to breed themselves' myth. That argument seems like where media hype has bled into the story. A few vials of sperm can produce how many children under advanced scientific control? Actually, one being can be used to clone a million more. If the number of abductions is even a small percentage of what is suspected, then these beings are very numerous already, they would have to be in order to carry out all the aspects of this abduction business.
Are they analyzing semen for a specific genome (or watching it fail, since the number of mutations is huge and perhaps grows with increased radiation and pollution in our environment)? Is it a drug (we have genetically altered cows to produce insulin in their milk)? What do they do with hundreds of gallons of the stuff?
Our society is totally freaked out by nudity and sexuality. I am not sure what the alien goal is, but it almost seems like a gradual conditioning. Perhaps if we are going to become telepathic and know everyone else's business (and even their thoughts about it) we need to change somehow. Even for them to visit openly, no more thoughts are hidden, what's in our heads is in the open. Perhaps the whole sexual aspect is just for effect, to tweak our minds.
Interesting how all religions and traditions put taboos on sexuality, so that we cannot even discuss it openly (how convenient for them and their activities).
Earth has one main problem, humans breed excessively. Our biomass is destroying our ecology.
BTW: it started with me and a friend. We felt compelled to return to the same mountains: 'Star Hunting' we would say. We brought others. My friend even brought his wife and kids. Then our lives ended up really scattered and confused. can't remember the moment of change. We were friends seeking to enjoy life and grow together spiritually, then we could not even trust our own minds or anything in our lives. I grew a lot from it or from getting over it. I also lost something of my innocent and carefree nature. Is it a test, either your life shatters (some people even kill themselves) or you get over your fear and torment to grow in some way? Is teh goal to change people and their energy and vibration?
Pardon my ramblings. More questions than answers, but always question the assumptions. A minor wrong assumption that is assumed to be true, will completely obscure the truth. I suspect we all have some assumptions that are so implicit in our paradigm, that we do not even have awareness of them.
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Post by paulette on Jan 21, 2011 22:00:29 GMT -6
"I suspect we all have some assumptions that are so implicit in our paradigm, that we do not even have awareness of them." Sunbow.
I found your post thought provoking and I like that. As for the quote I isolated, it speaks to a favorite truth of mine. That our expectations are the most harmful and sadness producing process that we carry on with. I like the rules of the Four Agreements (Ruiz) I am paraphrasing them.
Be impeccable in your word. Do not use your words to injure others through gossip or yourself through negative self-talk.
Do the best you can. That fluctuates. But just simply do the best you can. Then at the end of the day - you feel satisfied with your efforts.
Don't take things personally. Hahahahahahaha. That's a simple sentence.
Don't make assumptions. What should be. What shouldn't have been. How it was supposed to have been done.
If anything will keep this forum from falling into the sad state that UFOmania is in it will be because we mostly agree with these ideas IMO. It probably is true that none of us bring home the 5 lbs of interglactic space ship fragments. Doesn't mean this isn't a very valuable place with incredible people.
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Post by lois on Jan 21, 2011 22:48:25 GMT -6
I for one believe there are Mother ships out there all the time. And late at night they send out there armies all over the world, a little dramatic maybe, but the point is they pick up people from all over and they are taken to the Mother ship. People always witness being a board with other people they do not know.. I believe me and my girlfriend could of been taken around the time Hills were taken.. Same week and year. Also we heard the beeps in the back of her car prior to the weird incident that followed. .. This could be mass abductions.
Sky if the above is true, then there are Mass abductions going on every night. Oh what a horrible thought.. What I mean by mass abductions was friends and people all taken from the same spot where they are gathered.
This guy in the first Video stated he went and gathered this troop together especially for an abduction. That is a new one for me. Never heard of it.. He said the aliens wanted me to get them together.. Whether if true.. I don't know.. This story has been on all sorts of Television stations with different titled shows. I though maybe I had miss others cases like it..
When what I think was another abduction of mine. about 6 months after the one in august of 72. I believe my one two year old son may of been taken also. If not they the aliens left him in my home alone for three hours. Talk about scary.. I did not want to be alone with my own child in my own home at any given time.. This encounter I only put on Mufon..forum when I first joined it..
I would not call it a mass abduction either. A two year old can not be a witness . I could not ask him anything. when they put me back I ran to his room .. he seemed ok.. But I was shaking so bad at the time..
Lois
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 22:49:54 GMT -6
I know that the mind is an incredibly miraculous play ground. Given the 'hint' that a subject is looking for alien abduction..I'm pretty sure that one could be cooked up...in today's world. There is too much information about aliens and abductions on TV..in books..on UFO forums Back before that information was readily available, hypnosis might have been fairly bullet proof. Today..everyone knows what a 'grey' is supposed to look like and have most likely seen a variety of 'ships'. That's a lot of information for the brain to play with...I would think. I've thought seriously about regression but at this point..what would be my memories and what would be some other account that I've read here or on some Utube? I couldn't be sure..and that defeats the purpose (for me). Actually...it's getting to be not so important to me anymore, it's not going to solve a darned thing for me to stir up memories my brain would rather I not face. I applaud the investigators out there trying to gather facts in the middle of all of the partial memories, speculation and hoaxes.
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Post by lois on Jan 21, 2011 23:07:35 GMT -6
One thought leads to another.. When one hears the beeps, is this when your memory elapses? My girlfriend and I had a few seconds of memory afterwards. We had time to look into her backseat to see what made the noise. It was identical to a microwave telling you your food was done... same pitch..
When they came out she was the one who said Lois doesn't this microwave of mine sound like the beeps in the car.. and it was 15 years later... We did not say where did that noise come from . We both turned together and put our heads over her front seat to look down on the back seat car floor. I did come from behind our heads.. I even had time to say .. Louise! do you have some childs toy back there, I was sort of joking with her. Then we we turn back around and our memories lapsed..I can only date this as the Hills case time period because my husband to be had gone off and joined the Navy. He had left a few days before..
Lois
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Post by lois on Jan 21, 2011 23:14:54 GMT -6
I've tried for years to get her to come on the mufon forum.. She will not talk about it to strangers. She has had her own encounters without me. And one was with a green floodlight shining down in her back yard at 3 am.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 22, 2011 9:19:20 GMT -6
Many in the other forum and perhaps here should thoughtfully question hypnosis. As you wrote: 'truth cannot be determined by consensus of the witness and hypnotist.' I also think what you write is true: "people believe the "memories" that they retrieve. I would say that that is true of any memory (hypnotically derived or not) that a person repeats and polishes over the years. I realize the implications of saying that on this or any UFO forum." I agree totally that "memories" recalled while under hypnosis should be questioned. They are not one hundred percent accurate. In fact, it is even possible for people to lie while under hypnosis, or to only tell details that they wish to make known. When people are hypnotized they still have conscious control over their thoughts and actions and they can choose what they say, even if it is not true. Whether or not they believe those untruths is entirely up to them. I also agree that regression hypnosis can be a useful tool if used properly. It will never provide conclusive proof of anything but it can provide a lot of valuable clues. In some cases it does even corroborate the testimony of different people. I remember one case where two women were abducted then later on were hypnotised separately. Their stories both both supported one another. Under hypnosis one woman recalled lying on a table and seeing the other woman standing up, the other woman remembered herself standing up and seeing the other woman lying down. Neither of these women consciously remembered being abducted, only that they had a vague memory of a UFO a case of missing time. It makes you wonder how many other abductions might actually have been mass abductions, but all of the people involved just didn't realize that they were abducted. In the case of my friend and I, the only reason I knew he had the same experience that I had is because he told me about it the next day. There could have been other people in the apartment complex who also had that same experience but just never told anybody about it. Looking at it from that perspective, mass abductions might be much more common than we think.
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Post by sunbow on Jan 22, 2011 9:26:50 GMT -6
I agree with taking the four agreements as a basis of conduct. One of the themes is to perceive without our filters, very difficult, yet every time a personal filter that colors reality fades, we are closer to the truth, here and now.
I also believe there are mother ships and a vast infrastructure around earth. Both the Bible and the Hindu scriptures seem to me to contain elements of people reporting what they saw through their mental filters, while those same events could be deemed extra-terrestrial with today's mental filters. So if this has been happening for thousands of years, which is logical if we consider how old the universe is and the likelihood that many advanced civilizations have been around for ages, then what is the goal?
I think it is too simplistic to assume that we are simply the source of an economic resource (genetic material, mental stimulation, entertainment,...). It would seem much simpler to get such things without us, especially once you got starter seeds.
(A) One thought that bounces around in my head from time to time is that they started a very long time ago, and have been adjusting the native primates to make us more and more like a race of beings that evolved (and perhaps perished) long ago. The vast infrastructure and amount of life hours they spend with us and the changing dynamics of contact implies they are evolving us on a fast track. Why? (1) The previous/original human race could have gained some very special (and perhaps dangerous) psychic ability, that they are leading us toward. (2) Perhaps it is to open some type of pathway for souls to reach enlightenment, a state beyond our current dimensional understanding. (3) Perhaps the original race created 'them' (grays, intelligent machines, or some other hidden set of entities) and they want to re-create their creators. (4) Fill in the blanks as to why a vast network would strive to re-create a previously naturally evolved type of being.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 11:27:18 GMT -6
At some point I think you have to step back and try to look at abduction from some other standpoint. To those who have dealt with a 'situation', naturally it's a pretty personal thing and not easy to see from any other perspective or to even gain distance from it. Someone speaks out about an abduction most of us would automatically start to look at similarities. Every time I hear someone else's story I have this scent in my nostrils, for someone else it's lights or 'eyes'. Over 40 years for me and they're still at it? Haven't refined techniques very much and actually not a heck of a lot of information has been gathered in that time, just more questions. Why would they still be abducting people and 'sampling' humanity on planet earth (and possibly cows). What are they still up to that the first ten samples or so weren't enough? They almost have to be targeting specific people or not people..but something those people have that is a bit different. How many cow parts can you look at before you realize they look pretty much the same (or with the parts they're taking..they're making bologna). Where we've come in 40 years (or go back a ways and use Roswell as a guide) is that they come, they hijack earthlings, take the same basic samples (blood, tissue 'other fluids') show off their technology and terrify the victims and move on. Green lights, blue lights..bright white lights..whirring, thumping, thrumming noises, vibrations, paralysis, horrible head pressure, marks on the body and a very lasting impression. We're no closer to knowing why or much more than we did when Betty and Barney stepped forward into UFO history. And I still think that there is a huge number of the population that just haven't remembered yet or never will. I say we set out bait, catch one and waterboard it until it fesses up. Well no that would be Homeland dudes..we just...keep wondering.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 11:41:25 GMT -6
I agree with taking the four agreements as a basis of conduct. One of the themes is to perceive without our filters, very difficult, yet every time a personal filter that colors reality fades, we are closer to the truth, here and now. I also believe there are mother ships and a vast infrastructure around earth. Both the Bible and the Hindu scriptures seem to me to contain elements of people reporting what they saw through their mental filters, while those same events could be deemed extra-terrestrial with today's mental filters. So if this has been happening for thousands of years, which is logical if we consider how old the universe is and the likelihood that many advanced civilizations have been around for ages, then what is the goal? I think it is too simplistic to assume that we are simply the source of an economic resource (genetic material, mental stimulation, entertainment,...). It would seem much simpler to get such things without us, especially once you got starter seeds. (A) One thought that bounces around in my head from time to time is that they started a very long time ago, and have been adjusting the native primates to make us more and more like a race of beings that evolved (and perhaps perished) long ago. The vast infrastructure and amount of life hours they spend with us and the changing dynamics of contact implies they are evolving us on a fast track. Why? (1) The previous/original human race could have gained some very special (and perhaps dangerous) psychic ability, that they are leading us toward. (2) Perhaps it is to open some type of pathway for souls to reach enlightenment, a state beyond our current dimensional understanding. (3) Perhaps the original race created 'them' (grays, intelligent machines, or some other hidden set of entities) and they want to re-create their creators. (4) Fill in the blanks as to why a vast network would strive to re-create a previously naturally evolved type of being. Sunbow... just curious... have you ever played the video game "Halo"? ~smirk~ Good storyline... it won awards for its music too. I've wasted days of my life on it... . It's not just a "game"... it's an interactive sci-fi movie in my mind... and a good one. I gather that you would find it to be very interesting just from reading this post of yours. They made it into a series of books as well if you're not too much into games...
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Post by sunbow on Jan 22, 2011 21:20:20 GMT -6
leia77, I remember pong and asteroids, that is about it for my video game experience. Perhaps a book would be interesting. I am having trouble with the Alien UFO book market lately, not much new. Any hints as to what makes halo interesting or how it might relate to uncovering what is happening here?
Jokelly, I agree, we must step back, as we are missing something important and implicitly overlooked. Something too obvious is slipping past us. They are driving the human race in a specific direction and we are blindly being driven, not even realizing it. Worse yet, the powers that be spend a great deal of time and money obfuscating the situation with disinformation and ridicule, which means they either are party to the coercion, or they are very igannant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 23:16:12 GMT -6
leia77, I remember pong and asteroids, that is about it for my video game experience. Perhaps a book would be interesting. I am having trouble with the Alien UFO book market lately, not much new. Any hints as to what makes halo interesting or how it might relate to uncovering what is happening here? From Wikipedia:
Halo is a science fiction video game franchise created by Bungie and owned and published by Microsoft Game Studios. The series centers on the interstellar war between humanity and a theocratic alliance of aliens known as the Covenant. The Covenant worship an ancient civilization known as the Forerunners, who perished in combat with the parasitical Flood. The main trilogy of games center on the experiences of the Master Chief, a cybernetically-enhanced human super-soldier, and his artificial intelligence (AI) companion, Cortana. In this setting, the term "Halo" refers to Halo megastructures: large, habitable ringed structures, similar to the Orbitals in Iain M Banks' Culture novels, or to smaller versions of Larry Niven's Ringworld.[1][2]From leia77: The game is very interesting. In the first game, it was implied that the aforementioned "Forerunners" were human-like extra-terrestrials who designed magnificent structures known as "Halos" all around the galaxy in order to contain "The Flood" which are basically zombies... a genetic experiment gone awry so to speak. Notice how the librarian (little blue floating robot) is puzzled that the "reclaimer" as he calls him doesn't understand what Halo does? That's the reason why you see. He thought our hero was a "Forerunner" a member of the advanced race of human-like extra-terrestrials... but he's just a human being in actuality. A sample of the awesome music... ~smirk~
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