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Post by auntym on Aug 17, 2012 12:17:10 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/do-aliens-dieAugust 17, 2012 Do Aliens Die?[/color] By Diane Tessman Every living creature dies – or does it? If an individual was abducted in 1952 by a seemingly young human-looking alien, is this alien now an old alien? If he had a human lifespan, he might well be dead by now. Or does he look the same as he did in 1952? And what if some aliens are energy-forms or light-forms, do they ever die? Obviously I do not know the answers to my questions but I’d like to share some thoughts on aliens and death or “death.” Artwork Above: A curious young alien? To begin with what we know of life on Earth, we assume, generally speaking, that higher life-forms have longer life spans. As humans we conceitedly assume this means we are at the top of the heap, but elephants have lived to be 82 years old. Land tortoises live to 110, and sea turtles live to be 150 years old. Perhaps we are not the most intelligent creature on Earth. According to this line of logic, how long would humans of the future live? Even today, our life span is getting longer; the only drawback is we have contaminated the planet so badly that we are victims of such diseases as cancer, auto-immune diseases, and in some areas, victims of the horrendous conditions in which some humans have to live because the rest of the humans won’t help sufficiently. Also, of course we of the “civilized world” over-indulge in the fast foods and processed items which multi-national corporations sell us. What about human time travelers from the future who might be UFO occupants? Assuming they managed to overcome the detriments to our longevity mentioned above, we can assume they have continued living longer and longer. The future humans from 2500 might not live as long as the future humans from one million years in the future. Of course perhaps Homo sapiens became an android race before the end of the 21st Century; if we can believe predictions regarding human-computer singularity, this will be true. If this is the case, those aliens (future humans who are androids) must live forever. Or perhaps “must live nearly forever,” would be more prudent. CONTINUE READING: www.ufodigest.com/article/do-aliens-die
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 14:33:31 GMT -6
The one that was up in my face appeared to be older than the other two. It is my belief that they do age.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 20:23:10 GMT -6
The one that was up in my face appeared to be older than the other two. It is my belief that they do age. I'm glad you able to notice that Cliff- of course you were a lot older during your experience than I was... they all looked the same to me...
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Post by randy on Aug 18, 2012 1:23:59 GMT -6
When the greys put me in touch with a hig ranking grey for evaluation on a screen I noted that the grey had wrinkles around the mouth and this was a sign of oldage in them. they do infact age so they must in the end become too old to function. The greys were absolutely terrified of my BB gun assuming is was a real gun. They can be shot and killed it seems. When I pointed my BB gun at a gey it raised its hand infront of it and back away fast. A definite fear reaction. They display anger, laughter and vanity at times. They are mortals not gods Some times they are extremely igannant
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Post by sunbow on Aug 25, 2012 20:10:36 GMT -6
I believe the insectoid aliens have very long life spans. There is a feeling that it radiated which was of being old, yet still having a long life ahead. The longer the life span, the more attachments and perhaps the more fear of death. In teh Vedas of India, it states that it is very difficult for the 'Gods' living on the heavenly planets to attain enlightenment, since they are attached to living opulently in splendor.
There are stories that the Grays interact with the dead and have brought the dead to see the living. They also appear in Between Life Regressions.
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Post by plutronus on Aug 25, 2012 20:53:02 GMT -6
[/color] By Diane Tessman Every living creature dies – or does it? If an individual was abducted in 1952 by a seemingly young human-looking alien, is this alien now an old alien? If he had a human lifespan, he might well be dead by now. Or does he look the same as he did in 1952? And what if some aliens are energy-forms or light-forms, do they ever die? Obviously I do not know the answers to my questions but I’d like to share some thoughts on aliens and death or “death.” Artwork Above: A curious young alien? To begin with what we know of life on Earth, we assume, generally speaking, that higher life-forms have longer life spans. As humans we conceitedly assume this means we are at the top of the heap, but elephants have lived to be 82 years old. Land tortoises live to 110, and sea turtles live to be 150 years old. Perhaps we are not the most intelligent creature on Earth. According to this line of logic, how long would humans of the future live? Even today, our life span is getting longer; the only drawback is we have contaminated the planet so badly that we are victims of such diseases as cancer, auto-immune diseases, and in some areas, victims of the horrendous conditions in which some humans have to live because the rest of the humans won’t help sufficiently. Also, of course we of the “civilized world” over-indulge in the fast foods and processed items which multi-national corporations sell us. What about human time travelers from the future who might be UFO occupants? Assuming they managed to overcome the detriments to our longevity mentioned above, we can assume they have continued living longer and longer. The future humans from 2500 might not live as long as the future humans from one million years in the future. Of course perhaps Homo sapiens became an android race before the end of the 21st Century; if we can believe predictions regarding human-computer singularity, this will be true. If this is the case, those aliens (future humans who are androids) must live forever. Or perhaps “must live nearly forever,” would be more prudent. CONTINUE READING: www.ufodigest.com/article/do-aliens-die[/quote] The Sumerian Reptilians according to ancient extant literature, lived at least approximately 7,000 years, but that's not an indication of their entire life-term, as the Kings-List, only shows their in-office reign, not how long they lived. Also, the cross engineered Gan Edn Humans were known to live, initially around 3500 years. Something happened to their DNA during each subsequent generation as they began to experience shorter life-terms after the flood, until they stabilized at around 30yrs. Technology and better living conditions have brought Human life-terms up to an average of ~70 years.
However, there are indications that through Human DNA research the Human aging problem has been solved, but information is being suppressed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 2:08:50 GMT -6
Take this for what it's worth to your opinion. More than one person who has had a near death experience has, not only reported going to a place wonderfully nice, but found there a sort of school of higher learning..and seeing there..other species (Grey's have been mentioned more than once). Leading some to believe..we're ALL souls passing through channels of education. If that's true (and the writers are very believable..more so than some UFO enthusiasts) then I expect we'll all run into one another one day.
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Post by plutronus on Aug 26, 2012 8:59:12 GMT -6
Take this for what it's worth to your opinion. More than one person who has had a near death experience has, not only reported going to a place wonderfully nice, but found there a sort of school of higher learning..and seeing there..other species (Grey's have been mentioned more than once). Leading some to believe..we're ALL souls passing through channels of education. If that's true (and the writers are very believable..more so than some UFO enthusiasts) then I expect we'll all run into one another one day. JodaKelly,
>Leading some to believe..we're ALL souls passing through channels of education.
Excellent..
Some teachers say, more or less...'there are two realities, one is school, and the other is the illusory we are being schooled out of.'
The problem, is awakening sufficiently to realize that one is caught in a loop and to release oneself from the loop and the attendant pain, one must consciously desire to escape, to apply effort to that goal, while ignoring the distractions that work to call one back into the maya.
School, making the commitment to learn how to escape.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 12:16:45 GMT -6
Well...I guess there's always suicide if you can't wait for the end game to know the truth
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Post by plutronus on Aug 31, 2012 22:09:16 GMT -6
I believe the insectoid aliens have very long life spans. There is a feeling that it radiated which was of being old, yet still having a long life ahead. The longer the life span, the more attachments and perhaps the more fear of death. In teh Vedas of India, it states that it is very difficult for the 'Gods' living on the heavenly planets to attain enlightenment, since they are attached to living opulently in splendor. There are stories that the Grays interact with the dead and have brought the dead to see the living. They also appear in Between Life Regressions. In the ensuing 25 yrs after my Mother's ET psychosis was 'fixed' by electro-shock therapy, my Mother never mentioned ET, not once, and if the subject arose, she'd politely excuse herself.
Two days before she died (no code), I asked her how she felt about things, I asked her if she was afraid, she said, "Hell yes!"...she told me that she was afraid to die. As Rosicrucians, we are indoctrinated both through curriculum, written lesson material, through interpersonal discussions with other senior level Rosicrucians and then through psychic lessons, that there is continuation of life after 'death' and that we reincarnate. We never lose consciousness, only life-term memories disappear into the maya of the Asyah. There are lessons that teach one through direct experience of our previous life-terms, like rewinding the Qlifah and playing back an experience. These 'lessons' are very personally compelling. (Temple Monographs ~9 thru 12 contain these level lessons.) With this as a backdrop, I was very shocked to hear my Mother say that she was afraid to die, I asked her "why are you afraid?", she said, "They are out there", I said, "Who's out there?" "The aliens, they are waiting for me."
Only on her deathbed did Mom mention the aliens, those three little Grey phkrs that caused my family so much misery.
Again, its all about keeping us psychically in the dark, while they command full control of the psychic realm. They keep the masses controlled through clueless religions that teach nothing of value beyond the the physical realm while teaching that it is evil to know about psychic subjects.
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Post by lois on Aug 31, 2012 22:54:02 GMT -6
If aliens do not die. Then we would know all the dead alien reports and cases are fake. There was a case in TEXAS I read about or heard on a documentary. A man shot a alien at night while hunting in the woods with several other friends. They were all carrying Rifles .and flashlights. They were on a narrow path through the brush. . When the leader on this path, heard something right in front of him. he raised his flashlight an he was face to face with a gray only a couple feet in front of him. It scared his so he raised his rifle and fired.
Now I remember . He told Art Bell the story. I listened to it on the radio. .
These men buried the alien as the shooter thought he would be prosecuted for murder. I don't know how his story got out, but these men were digging up the whole area as they could not remember where on this path the one man shot the alien was .
I had a good laugh listening to this program, but it is only one in tons of cases which pertain to dead aliens. Some they find dead and say it is our atmosphere here on earth or our diseases they cannot tolerate.
If only one told case were true, I would have to say Yes aliens die. Maybe in their own environment they do not have sickness, as Cliff mention about them aging, maybe their bodies do shut down like us earthlings . Also what is their lifespam?, that is what I think about all the time.
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Post by plutronus on Aug 31, 2012 23:32:53 GMT -6
Well...I guess there's always suicide if you can't wait for the end game to know the truth Why do folks believe that one will know everything of interest after the brain dies?
Many believe, erroneously, that they 'own' their body, that they have the right to kill it, as in the action of suicide. At best is impositional, just as murdering someone else's body is Kharmically impositional. As one's consciousness is at the same level of awareness as during life, one knows no more than one knew during life while manifesting in the Geviyah.
However, as Tom Hickey (prof and multiple published author of advanced Spiritual subjects), stated in the Abe's Kid's List (2010):
Meher Baba uses drop-soul for jivatma and Ocean for Paramatma. Shivatma is a jivatma that has realized identity with Paramatma. The metaphor of drop and ocean goes back at least to Adi Shankaracharya, who Baba said was a minor advent of the Avatar, that is, a manifestation of the Avatar within a cycle. A major advent occurs at the time of a transition from one cycle to the next.
Here is a brief description that Baba gave of the process of evolution to the human form, reincarnation in the human form, involution through the spiritual planes, and God-Realization.
"There are six stages of consciousness: (1) Unconsciousness; (2) Sub-consciousness; (3) Consciousness; (4) Sub-superconsciousness; (5) Superconsciousness; and (6) God-Consciousness.
"In the Beyond-Beyond state of God [Parat-Paramatma], there is unconsciousness, but everything comes out of this state. In the subconscious state, there are seven stages of gaseous existence. Consciousness begins from the stone form, where it is very rudimentary. During the evolutionary process of seven stages of forms [stone, metal, vegetable, worm/insect, fish, fowl, animal], culminating in the human form, consciousness is fully developed. But due to the accumulation of sanskaras [karmic impressions] during the evolutionary process, man does not become conscious of God.
"Had there been no accumulation of sanskaras, man would have become conscious of himself as God as soon as he took the first human form. But due to innumerable sanskaras, the wheel of birth and death rotates in a zigzag fashion. That is, the soul takes the male form, then the female form, good-bad, ugly-beautiful, king-beggar, and so on in the process of reincarnation. And after every death sanskaras are shaken up, decrystalized.
"At last the process of involution begins when the mind's consciousness becomes subtle. The mind persists up to the fifth plane [in the form of thoughts]. In the fifth plane mind works through itself. In the sixth plane, mind does not work, but feels. Mind becomes the inner eye and sees God face to face. In the sixth plane there is superconsciousness. In the seventh plane the mind is annihilated and man achieves God-Consciousness." Something to consider...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 0:52:10 GMT -6
Plutronus...there are religions that have much to offer people...for there will always be people who need the guidance of religion. No...I'm not religious but I AM very spiritual. I know that God exists..I know there is a realm called heaven and that aliens don't run the place. But...there are dozens upon dozens of viewpoints out there and they are the brain children of those who believe they are right also..including you..and me. I'm absolutely positive that we have had the answers before and we will have them again...when we pass from this educational field to the next. Wrong is not accepting the beliefs of others as being every bit as important as ours..as vital and real.
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Post by plutronus on Sept 1, 2012 3:40:33 GMT -6
Plutronus... there are religions that have much to offer people...for there will always be people who need the guidance of religion.
No...I'm not religious but I AM very spiritual.
I know that God exists..I know there is a realm called heaven and that aliens don't run the place.
But...there are dozens upon dozens of viewpoints out there and they are the brain children of those who believe they are right also..including you..and me.
I'm absolutely positive that we have had the answers before and we will have them again...when we pass from this educational field to the next.
Wrong is not accepting the beliefs of others as being every bit as important as ours..as vital and real. >for there will always be people who need the guidance of religion.
Quite true, and it is also true, there will always be newbies as long creation is on going.
>Wrong is not accepting the beliefs of others as being every bit as important as ours.
It seems that I failed to make my point clear...
Its a bit like street sk8ng, there are lots of folks who can do tricks, all kinds of neat moves...spins, crazy-legs, jack-hammers, side-surfing, etc, and they're pretty good too. And then along comes a trained Olympic Skater, who may not have as much worldly rolling experience and who likely does not know all of the street sk8rs tricks, but can do all of their tricks in one or two attempts, in a couple of minutes, because, well they are trained, they understand the underlying principles of the balance of skating. While the street sk8r can only do those few things that they've learned after many injuries, trial and error. The street sk8rs could be better, but they don't think that they need to be, 'cause they're pretty good. But they'll likely never become Olympic Skaters because of that limited thinking. They don't even consider it, they are so indoctrinated in their level of thinking. This quantifies my point about how Humanity has been manipulated via the control religions. There is difference between religions and schools. Religions are faith oriented mainly repeating myths and stories while school is knowledge based. I am not putting folks religions down, but rather saying that there is better information, but which has been denied them for an agenda. Most think that Earth belongs to us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 10:05:01 GMT -6
I might not have understood that as well before the 'phobos' experiment'...there are levels..and then there are LEVELS. I lump it under spirituality..someone else might use different terms but yes. It's been suggested before that we're under a quarantine. I'm about ready to believe that now. Restricted from some knowledge until we 'grow' enough in other eyes. Is it right to restrict some..because others won't ever be 'ready'?
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Post by lois on Sept 2, 2012 14:15:24 GMT -6
One's religion comes about because they have lived it. Your life experiences tell you what to believe with out a doubt . I'm like Jo, I believe there is a God and I called it spirituality. I guess many follow the church they grew up in and never leave it as it is their roots. I just never was good at believing a ministers words. I had to learn it on my own . Longer your life the better chance one understands and finds their own salvation. I'm very happy and content with my beliefs now. But it came early for me . in my late twenties. When I read the bible. I stuck with Jesus's spiritual teachings and Guidance . The rest proofed itself by my daily life I lead.
There is a peace like no other when one finds it. If you are one who searches all the church's out and cannot believe what they have to say. you are going about it the wrong way.
Even Jesus said . there will come a day when one will not go into a church but in a cave and speak to the father in secret. . He also said one should work out there own salvation. Does this sound like a particular church goer. . I never preach to those who have their own believes.
I know there is life after death and it is a beautiful state of mind. where ever it is.
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Post by lois on Sept 2, 2012 14:37:04 GMT -6
Many people in my life have ask me. How can Jesus be his father and himself also? It is too crazy to believe. It is not possible to be two at once. When he said I and my Father are one. He meant I and the spiritual is one.. So many churches will tell you we were made in his image, what image? It does not say God looks like us or has a mortal looking body up on a throne with a crown on his head.
Jesus.. when he told these thing knew exactly how the pharisee would interpret it. This I believe is why he said everytime he made a statement concerning the spiritual he added . those who have an ear let him hear. My interpretation of this. It may not be others but I'm satisfied with it as it leads me to understand more spiritually. He preach spiritually every time he spoke.
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Post by lois on Sept 2, 2012 14:39:49 GMT -6
And it also makes us Godlike . As we were born in the spirit. So his image we are made in is the spiritual given to us at birth.
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Post by lois on Sept 2, 2012 14:45:23 GMT -6
Spiritual is love. What makes one bring in a stray animal that is hurt. The Love spiritual we possess . Once my sister- in -law ask me. Oh Lois you think by being good that that will get you into heaven that is wrong. I did not like going into religion with others . but I did say . YES . so to speak..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 20:16:29 GMT -6
It's refreshing to me Lois..to hear that from someone else. There IS no other feeling like it..you gave a perfect turn of phrase..I question many many things..wayyy too many things..but never God..nor his place in my life nor the amazing things I've been blessed to see and know. I'm really glad I can share that with you Lois
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Post by lois on Sept 3, 2012 0:57:17 GMT -6
It's refreshing to me Lois..to hear that from someone else. There IS no other feeling like it..you gave a perfect turn of phrase..I question many many things..wayyy too many things..but never God..nor his place in my life nor the amazing things I've been blessed to see and know. I'm really glad I can share that with you Lois Likewise Jo, if you did not state your beliefs I don't think I would be putting any of this here on the forum . My children have always been my listeners. They do attend church and not one of them share the same church. I just put a photo of me and my sons on facebook. My one son had a shirt on that day. It reads I'm the way the truth and the life. It is nice to know my one important prayer in my life has been answered. In that dream of mine about the rapture and I was lifted up off the ground holding onto a pair of large sandal shoes I looked down and seen all four of my children on our front porch looking up. I said what about my children and I heard a voice say THEY WILL FOLLOW. I never worried about it again. It was the next night after my missing time I had this dream. . I was 29.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 10:28:13 GMT -6
What a lovely dream
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