|
Post by swamprat on Aug 26, 2012 15:43:56 GMT -6
Please watch this short illustration of our financial reality. This is a non-partisan video produced by an accountant, Hal Mason, retired after 27 years with IBM. He looks at the budget, its revenues and expenses, and very simply illustrates the problem. This guy provides all the clarity you need in just a couple of minutes.
|
|
|
Post by skywalker on Aug 26, 2012 16:49:30 GMT -6
The out of control debt problem was caused by the government but it will be fixed by the people...just as soon as we kick all of those idiots out of Washington and get some good decent people in there who can do a better job.
|
|
|
Post by randy on Aug 27, 2012 0:18:29 GMT -6
simple facts devoid of any emotion 1 According to Nancy Pelosi there are 20,000,000 illegals here of which 2,000,000 came here with felony records.
2 It costs 116,000,000,000/yr in tax money from all sources to support them or 5,800 each which is cheaper than Canada pays per person 3 In a recent closed door meeting Hillary pledged over 100 billion for green energy in Africa. the exact amount and minutes of the meeting are secret. These two things alone illustrate why we have a budget crisis. In the past we have spent trillions of dollars over time supporting illegals here. This is just reality devoid of all emotion
|
|
|
Post by randy on Sept 3, 2012 0:46:15 GMT -6
Back in the 1930s Oswald Mosley a British politician toured the US and then spoke on what he saw back in Britain. He said what made America great even in the depression was that we made all we needed in the US its self. By that time most jobs had been shifted from Britain to empire countries for cheap labor. Many Britains lived on the dole by then as a result. British men as a result of this in WWII were in very poor heatth and physically inferior to their German enemies. our leaders in WWII felt one German soldier do to training, motivation and physical conditioning was worth two allied soldiers as I have read. We have tried to mingle the US economy with the world economy and this has been a bad deal. mean while our ecologists have tied up in court many projects that could have lead to new advances. the canadian oil line, solar power vs tortise habitat, wind power vs noise pollution. oil shale vs habitat Even in agriculture locally hundreds of acres of apple orchards are being torn out while stores advertise apples from new Zealand Over the years regulations, taxes and law suits have chased out of the country millions of jobs or they have stopped any real form of energy development in the country In the mid 1970s we could have made gasoline for 75 cents at the pump from oil shale. All the money we have sent to the arabs was a waste when we are the saudi arabia of oil shale in the world the power of IRan to disrupt our economy would not exist. First we need to develop energy here. we have to lighten up on job killing regulations. In WWII we armed and feed the world now in peace time we sit and listen to people tell us how not to succeed. I was always impressed that we could build a ship in less than 24 hrs start to finish. Our aircraft production was in the 6 figures. Counting Essex class ships we had a hundred aircraft carriers on the seas. russia rolled on American trucks and had american tanks and aircraft. We the US did that. Now we act dumb on simple things that would not have been an issue then. Working in Alaska on the pipeline project we pushed a pipeline across the most hostile primative landscape you can imagine. We entered a valley crossed the hammond river and were going out the other side of the vally in a week. I have seen leadership in action and we dont have it simple and to the point. A baby in front of a computer is still a baby in reality.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 10:12:34 GMT -6
Sky...show me the decent ones running for office? A nut job who thinks a woman can't get pregnant from rape? That pair even has dyed in the wool republicans changing parties. I know of two who have just because of that speech. Quite possibly because of that idiocy...the current will be re-elected. Oh happy day.
We need to stop pouring money into other countries. We need to toughen the welfare laws..if you cannot prove citizenship..no $ but if you apply..you get a ticket home? We need to cut government payroll (let them take a hit for a change). We need to put the money into our own people. Social Security, Medicare...school programs ..especially for the under privileged ..see if we can't get some families out of the welfare loop. We put billions of dollars into foreign aid..and they sneer at us. So..pull that money and get our noses out of everyone else's business and put some of that money into solutions that don't involve oil. Never happen but hey...elect Sky and he can fire them all ;D
|
|
|
Post by skywalker on Sept 3, 2012 16:06:19 GMT -6
I am totally in favor of everything you just said, Jo. Especially the part about firing them all...which I will be more than happy to do as soon as I am elected. ;D
|
|
|
Post by randy on Sept 7, 2012 1:08:58 GMT -6
The months just before the presidential elections are a time of mental illness in America as normal people become inflamed by political speakers. Long haired types with a red flag in one hand and wooden sword in the other shout "TO the barricades, ill be right behind you" the Ferimones of political power waft in the nostrils of the politicians and they reach with pudgy hands for all they can get Friends view long term friends as "One of them" people cease to think and react emotionally to things they would other wise never consider. They assume a herd mentality that is exploited and manipulated for power It is a time to stop and step back from the rah rah boys and to clear your mind of the classic images and the waving of bloody shirts Let the mind rule free of emotion and conditioned reflexes. Just my view on things
|
|
|
Post by auntym on Sept 7, 2012 12:08:30 GMT -6
THIS ARTICLE FITS SO WELL ON THIS THREAD... www.businessinsider.com/henry-ford-salary-increase-2012-8Dear American Companies, Here's how to fix the economyBy Henry Blodget In 1914, a business executive named Henry Ford did a startling thing: He announced that he was going to more than double the wages he was paying his employees, from $2.34 to $5 a day -- the equivalent of $120 a day in today's money. The country was as shocked by this then as it would be today. A powerful company voluntarily sharing some of its profits with its rank-and-file workers and paying them more than it absolutely had to? Had Henry Ford gone mad? Didn't he understand that the only goal of a business was to make money? Didn't he realize that, as a successful business executive, he was entitled to make as much money as he could possibly make--the financial health of his employees being nobody's business but their own? Didn't he understand that smart executives pay their employees no more than "market rates" because the executive's job is to "create shareholder value," everyone in our economy gets what they deserve, and the financial well-being of employees is not something that business owners or bosses or shareholders should be concerned with? Yes, Henry Ford understood all that. The story you hear frequently about why Henry Ford made this decision was that he wanted to allow his workers to be able to afford to buy his cars. The wage increase certainly made the cars (and many other products) more affordable for Ford employees, but the historical consensus is that Ford actually made this decision for a different reason: To reduce employee turnover--and, in so doing, reduce recruiting and replacement cost. Regardless, it worked. CONTINUE READING: www.businessinsider.com/henry-ford-salary-increase-2012-8
|
|
|
Post by randy on Sept 20, 2012 0:25:02 GMT -6
A persons mental state of mind is part of things. During the Irish Easter rebellion the rebels occupied the post office and fought it out with the British Army which brought up artillary and machine guns,. soon the post office was on fire and shells were slamming into the well built structure. Machine gun fire swept the streets clear. How ever it was dole day so people ignored the flames coming out of the windows of the post office and the whine of bouncing bullets and shrapnel from the shells, they lined up to get their dole. they were so mentally conditioned to do that they could not concieve of anything else happening on that day. Our society today is like that in that many people are totally mentally dependent on the dole and are unable to function in any other manner As bizare as the irish behavior seems it has its mirror image today
|
|
|
Post by satansrini on Sept 20, 2012 2:12:53 GMT -6
I haven't ever been to USA but I have a lot of my friends/relatives living there and I get some first hand information from people in different societal strata. I know people right from who worked at Petrol Pumps to Engineers to Doctors to Businessmen. I guess this wide sampling and my independent study of history makes me understand America pretty well. The only and vital thing I miss is first hand experience and I concede nothing beats that.
The financial woes of the nation is the least of the problem. I have always observed and believed that the military might of the nation always dictates its economy to.
Exceptions to this ground rule are nations who are too insignificant in terms of natural resources or population. In the sense, the big boys don't consider these children as worthy of a fight! Such countries are Luxembourg, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Mauritius, Gibraltar and so forth. Very small, no natural resources, tax havens. But you can never have a Luxembourg like place with the size and population of say France or England.
United States can make another big war and she will come out of her current financial woes. In addition, dollar also circulates around the globe as a transacteable currency and therefore the US can impose sanctions they way it wants and that will be a very important tool. It will simply say "you can't use my currency to trade". The deficits you are all talking about are only temporary and just a general reflection of the global economics. It is not as serious a problem as it is being made out to be and also, it has little to do with the current govt. May be the govt. did contribute a small percentage to the bigger problem through its policy making (which you would forgive me I have not much idea of). But never the root cause of it.
You can take this from me.. NO GOVERNMENT has the capability to bring a strong nation down to its knees, especially one that was build for 200 years, in 3-4 years' time. What is happening now is a resultant of several administrations and years. Even if the other guy (don't know who) was President, this would have happened.
Money is a very vital thing to our livelihood. It is also the single most important thing that shows immediately in a problem. But money is the least of worries to the USA. The contribution of youngsters, youth and talent is declining. The kids who are 15 think more of sex, drugs and parties than how they would graduate, what they want to pursue and what they want to learn. Where does such a person end up when he/she is 25. Is the entire country like that? No may be 2% of it is not. They go to Harvard or MIT or Kellogs or something.
But another issue with our beloved democracy is just that - NUMBERS RULE. The society will eventually turn out to be the way the 95% is. To get USA back to stable throne at the global stage is not going to be easy. One change of administration will not show miracles. It will take atleast 20 to 25 years to be back on track - meaning a whole generation of people must be put back on track. In democracies.. leadership is often overrated. A democracy is where followers are free to not follow a leader and that complicates things!
The onus is also on the followers like us to choose a good leader. In addition to that, it helps a great deal when followers are also knowledgeable and not mere cattle. If we address that need, there will be sweeping but gradual and stable change.
That is what is happening now in India. I hope this sustains. Younger people are joining politics. People in villages have gotten more educated. They started questioning their leaders on action items than pandering to them. I am happy with India more about this factor than the economic growth or being a big economy or a military power. That change.. with people will render a country to prosperity and stability and I am happy we are on the right track. Because govt.s will change, that is the order of life. But that order of life will keep progressing!
PS: On a lighter note.. 'Change' is what Obama promised. 'Change' is what he got. Why are you guys crying about it. You should be happy! ;D
Regards, Srinivas
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 10:04:56 GMT -6
I am totally in favor of everything you just said, Jo. Especially the part about firing them all...which I will be more than happy to do as soon as I am elected. ;D You have MY vote!! ;D
|
|
|
Post by randy on Sept 23, 2012 23:40:57 GMT -6
China sells rare earths to the US and we pay what ever the Chinese ask as they are used in making computers etc. Yet Australia has huge deposites and we also have rare earths that we do nothing with. some of our most powerful politicians have ties to international bankers who make money off international trade. NO trade no money. America is like a powerful race car being driven with the brakes on. In WWII we made so many big army trucks we could send 400,000 to Russia alone. the plain truth is that out leadership wants to shrink America down in power world wide. This will leave a power vacuum that will not long be left open Probably China will fill it. Many of the most competetive countries in the world have populations that have the same value systems regardless of being rich or very poor. they are united in the same values they are not diverse mobs of people with a hundred value systems they are uniform. the founding fathers of this country had the same value systems for the most part. the had a similar education often sharing the same books among them. the had the same religious views solid Christian ethics These same views created a uniform idea of government and purpose. Instead of E plurbis unum it is now E plurbis plurbis The tower of Babel Having worked as an engineer on the trans Alaska pipeline project I saw what leadership can do. 700 miles of 4ft dia pipe across the arctic wilderness. Armies of men and equipment running smoothly and fast. Our national leadership is still working on getting their bomarang to come back. The American people are the most dynamic people in the world when they are united in common cause. the leadership is unable to unite the country in simple terms for a common goal.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 12:19:51 GMT -6
No president can 'fix' the nation. There IS a government behind the government we know and love and they make sure a president is elected who can be the proper puppet. Disclosure is a joke...voting for the fool of your choice..is a joke...our political structure as it stands is a joke. The wealthiest of the wealthy are in charge and we don't get a vote. If the economy lags too badly...of course there will be another war...there's always some country out there just waiting to be 'stirred' up by some dumb movie or if not that...the right 'infiltrators' ratcheting up the youth. And nope..things don't change...there are just degrees of political machinations and should someone great come along and sneak in while their backs are turned..well..they'll punch his ticket before he can actually make a stand. No conspiracy theories..this is the way it has been since the cold war..democracy is the first big illusion.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 13:01:08 GMT -6
No president can 'fix' the nation. There IS a government behind the government we know and love and they make sure a president is elected who can be the proper puppet. Disclosure is a joke...voting for the fool of your choice..is a joke...our political structure as it stands is a joke. The wealthiest of the wealthy are in charge and we don't get a vote. If the economy lags too badly...of course there will be another war...there's always some country out there just waiting to be 'stirred' up by some dumb movie or if not that...the right 'infiltrators' ratcheting up the youth. And nope..things don't change...there are just degrees of political machinations and should someone great come along and sneak in while their backs are turned..well..they'll punch his ticket before he can actually make a stand. No conspiracy theories..this is the way it has been since the cold war..democracy is the first big illusion. Agree.
|
|
|
Post by plutronus on Sept 25, 2012 11:22:01 GMT -6
No president can 'fix' the nation. There IS a government behind the government we know and love and
they make sure a president is elected who can be the proper puppet.
Disclosure is a joke...
voting for the fool of your choice..is a joke
...our political structure as it stands is a joke.
The wealthiest of the wealthy are in charge and we don't get a vote.
If the economy lags too badly...of course there will be another war
...there's always some country out there just waiting to be 'stirred' up by some dumb movie or if not that
...the right 'infiltrators' ratcheting up the youth.
And nope..things don't change...there are just degrees of political machinations and
should someone great come along and sneak in while their backs are turned..well..they'll punch his ticket before he can actually make a stand.
No conspiracy theories..this is the way it has been since the cold war..
democracy is the first big illusion. JoKelly,
Excellent. You have quantified my suspicions precisely.
plutronus
|
|
|
Post by paulette on Sept 25, 2012 13:20:21 GMT -6
Sounds right to me. Because that's the way it IS.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 15:17:49 GMT -6
And it's the saddest thing in the world to me to know our young men and women are dying on foreign soil for all the wrong reasons.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 18:00:06 GMT -6
And it's the saddest thing in the world to me to know our young men and women are dying on foreign soil for all the wrong reasons. People have died for the wrong reasons since the beginning of human existence... ~shrug~ It's nothing new unfortunately...
|
|
|
Post by randy on Oct 4, 2012 1:14:01 GMT -6
Some times factions in govt set up situations where those in power are hood winked into following a path they dont want. the prowar force in England set it up that England would declare war if Germany invaded Poland. At first glance it did not sound like it was too bad but it took the decission making out of the hands of the English and made them pawns to events. had they not said that they could have held back until they were better prepared for war. Adolf offered peace as I recall if they would give a road and rail access across the Polish corridor to connnect the parts of Germany. this was refused but was it so bad compared to world war. The same man who wrote the rise and fall of the third reich also wrote the rise and fall of the third republic. France at the ime was very unstable with the govt of the month in power Factions in France wanted war but others went so far as to stop demolition of bridges in their towns by French troops by force. It was a complicated time of rival factions each wanting power. The french olympic team in 1936 gave the facist salute as they passed Adolf The English team gave a similar salute but this was denied later as being facist. It is late and I am getting far off subject but things are never simple and clear cut but have shadings of grey to them that influences events.
|
|