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Post by DEADnGONE on Oct 25, 2012 15:44:24 GMT -6
No ranting ot raving about Freemasons. I'll leave that up to somone else. Just a note, I'll get back to this but was 3rdDEGREE MASTER MASON, YORK RITE, SCOTTISH RITE32DEGREE, and KNIGHT TEMLAR and help various offices in each. I can't locate anywhere, anything that implied or even got close to saying "we ' were going to do anything harmful to the USA or even plotted it. Got lots of stories of "ghosttly"FREEMASONS", still gathering in unused lodges, but I doubt they pose any real threat to anyone or even anything.Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 23:28:40 GMT -6
A few things have been brought up about Masons..my husband is one and has been for 40 years. I think it's quite possible that a ways back in history...Masons hid Templars who were fleeing from the church but other than that...I truly don't think they're about to rise up and take over the world..join the Illuminati or the Bilderberg 's (not rich enough) or are involved in any other conspiracy. Nope wasn't them on the 'grassy knoll' I think they have their internal secrets and secret rites and that makes them fair game for conspiracy theorists..who have nothing better to do than hatch plots ;D
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Post by randy on Oct 30, 2012 1:18:29 GMT -6
The knights templar as i have been told became pirates under the jolly roger flag raiding catholic shipping. I mention this as the skull and cross bones on a black flag became a symbol. Himmler modeled the SS along the lines of the Jesuits. The black SS uniform was decorated with skull and cross bones insignia. I have wondered if there was a link between the SS leadership and knight templars some secret link to retake power in Europe if Adolf won. The SS was slated to rule the empire created.
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Post by DEADnGONE on Nov 2, 2012 22:27:20 GMT -6
The SS was the elite of the German military, Waffen S.S., best weapons, best leaders, all had a "die hard' attitude, not as extreme as the soldiers of Japan did. The skull/crossbones was also the insignia for the tank corps of the German Army, whic is sota confusing. Basically, the Templars would bre "pussy cats" compared to the S.S. As for the guild of Masons, that traveled from catheral to catheral, doing stone mason work. From all I cn find, when the Templsrs were disbanded, it seems most went to serve kings from England, Scotland mainly. When safelly relocated, thhhey didn't hide because they were too good at killing, and not just fought for a king but command many an army for kings and princes all over Europe. Thanks for the comments.
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Post by randy on Nov 2, 2012 23:42:15 GMT -6
As I have been told the SS had double skull and cross bones insignia on their collar tabs while the tank corps wore a black uniform with a single skull and cross bones on the collar tab. There were SS panzer units also. with the continued war the uniforms worn became some times what was available. the SS at times had to do with old equipment and foreign weapons that were captured. This respect it was like our marine corps. In WWII the marines had go to the hollywood movie studios to get guns used in war movies to invade Guadacanal. We were that defenseless. did we learn? NO. by the time the North Koreans invaded South Korea we had to go around to parks and war memorials to get tanks and artillary to fight in Korea. Did we learn? NO. For the Cuban missile crisis our navy seals had been using Army weapons for training comes the crisis the army weapons were not available to the seals. they had to pool their money and go to Sears and Roebuck to buy guns and ammo on the civilian market so they would have something to fight with. We were that igannant in our leadership. comes a threat of war and our elite forces had no weapons
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Post by randy on Nov 2, 2012 23:48:22 GMT -6
Speaking of conspiracy theories following the folks at Waco and that disaster the BATF was going to raid the har crisnah (sp?) head center as they supposedly had a huge arsenal there. How ever the mess at Waco was enough for them at the time.
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Post by DEADnGONE on Nov 3, 2012 12:26:08 GMT -6
Randy, tyvm for clearing my error. Did some looking at photos of uniforms and you are totally correct. Guess I should have checked the pics before opening my "mouth". Your corrections were most appreciated.
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Post by randy on Nov 7, 2012 0:57:50 GMT -6
the SS is an interesting subject but it is hard find factual information on them as most of it is colored by events of WWII that are well known. Some histories of individuals and various units have been published. For many years by agreement with the Soviet Union any history of the Nazis had to by law to include a repudiation of the form of Nazi govt. Clear pictures of Hitler were not allowed. Films of the Nazi olympics were not allowed in the US except films of Jesse Owens running. Many recent books state that the movie Victory of belief simply does not exist period. Yet you can buy it on the internet. Great effort has been made to destroy the film completely which deals with a Nazi rally. I have felt that something in the film is a secret and they dont want people to see it. Having seen the film it is what it is a propaganda film but beyond that I can see nothing that is especially unique about it that such an effort is made to kill it. It was thought to be destroyed world wide in 1946 but one single copy survived in England from which all existing copies of the film have been made
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 15:40:17 GMT -6
I can't locate anywhere, anything that implied or even got close to saying "we ' were going to do anything harmful to the USA or even plotted it. Got lots of stories of "ghosttly"FREEMASONS", still gathering in unused lodges, but I doubt they pose any real threat to anyone or even anything. Just came across this thread, and wanted to agree ;D. There is so much "junk" on "hidden societies", and I think this is a carry-over from what we found out during WW2. That Stalin and Hitler killed many of their own people. Personally, I think the original "masons" were masters at their trade, and deserved respect for their talents. Yes, these talents could be taught, but I understand wanting to keep up the quality of the work, with the "name". I may sound na'ive, but I believe the original intention of such society was proper word-of-mouth job referral. ;D
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Post by skywalker on Dec 31, 2012 17:18:57 GMT -6
the SS is an interesting subject but it is hard find factual information on them as most of it is colored by events of WWII that are well known. Some histories of individuals and various units have been published. For many years by agreement with the Soviet Union any history of the Nazis had to by law to include a repudiation of the form of Nazi govt. Clear pictures of Hitler were not allowed. Films of the Nazi olympics were not allowed in the US except films of Jesse Owens running. Many recent books state that the movie Victory of belief simply does not exist period. Yet you can buy it on the internet. Great effort has been made to destroy the film completely which deals with a Nazi rally. I have felt that something in the film is a secret and they don't want people to see it. Having seen the film it is what it is a propaganda film but beyond that I can see nothing that is especially unique about it that such an effort is made to kill it. It was thought to be destroyed world wide in 1946 but one single copy survived in England from which all existing copies of the film have been made Were you talking about the film Triumph of the Will? I started watching that just a few days ago. Only got about halfway through it though. It definitely is propaganda designed to show the "great advances" made under the rule of Adolph Hitler. Of course they left out the parts about the concentration camps, the gas chambers, the mass graves and the tens of millions of people who were murdered. It was kind of scary just watching that film, especially knowing what was going to happen after it was filmed. The insane idolatry that people showered upon Hitler was beyond belief. How could so many people put so much faith in one person? Did they really think he was that much better than they were? Have people still not learned their lesson? I also have the film about the Berlin Olympics that was filmed by Hitler's personal film maker...the same woman who filmed Triumph of the Will. As far as I know anything related to the Nazis is still banned in Germany and many other parts of Europe. There are no swastikas over there anywhere. Hopefully there never will be again.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 31, 2012 17:20:26 GMT -6
From what I have read the Freemasons were persecuted by the Nazis also. They did not want any group to be a threat to their totalitarian control.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 18:16:19 GMT -6
Well in a way it is still a word of mouth job referral..people hire and trust masons..especially if it's another mason doing the hiring I know (being married to one forever) that some of them do use the order for advancement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 20:52:37 GMT -6
Well, everything has to start "somewhere" ;D. For example, a electrical company makes and wins a bid on a huge project. They start working, and one worker comes down sick. What are they to do? In 2012, the "project" doesn't even know that the electrical company is short a worker. They're not. Another worker took his place . In the 'Masons', it wouldn't just be another skilled worker. It might be the sick workers best friend, or brother, or cousin. They're just holding his job for him until he's well enough to come back to work.
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Post by plutronus on Jan 1, 2013 22:48:05 GMT -6
From what I have read the Freemasons were persecuted by the Nazis also.
They did not want any group to be a threat to their totalitarian control. Historically, the Mason Order are one of the Light-Worker schools which are diametrically opposed to the works of Left-Column Reptilians.
It is not well known, but Chancellor Hitler was a practicing Black Majician who succumbed to the AnGeLs of Destruction...aka the 'DarkSide'. He was also a personal student of Aleister Crowley, who became the self-styled 'Beast-Master', prior to his Earthly coil succumbing to cancer, --a Reptilian favorite. Aleister Crowley, was the reason that McMathers created another, secret school, one without Aleister Crowley's presence or Reptilian influence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 16:36:50 GMT -6
My husband (who is a Mason) reminds me that the order is a 'religious' one...they all have a strong belief in God. He's never heard any comments about UFO's even in passing, from any other member and he's been one for over 40 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 20:01:27 GMT -6
Yeah, but I wanted to leave out the "religious part".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 23:12:26 GMT -6
Well..when I say religious that is a misnomer..they are a non-sectarian Order embracing principles of all religions. Belief in God..IS required to be a Mason as their roots are in the construction of the Solomonic Temple. They are said to have come from Noah and his descendants..there are even some references to Noah being the 'father' of the organization. Problems do arise in any 'secret' organization that doesn't share what it does with the public. Which is one reason I detest secrets. To truly know a Mason..you have to be one....gals can't go there (theirs being the Eastern Star organization). At any rate, because they are a tad closed mouth, speculation bounces wild. The only one I'd really love to explore is the tie to the Templar's and their flight from the 'church'. That story does have a strong ring of truth to it.
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Post by CitizenK on Jan 4, 2013 0:48:49 GMT -6
All I care to say on this subject is YES, descendants of Noah & usually to become a Mason, you are pursued from within the organization at a young age, but only allowed in if you continue to display strong good character. Hence again, a bloodline.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 7:59:17 GMT -6
. . ..IS required to be a Mason as their roots are in the construction of the Solomonic Temple. And this is where it gets dicey, IMHO. Supposedly, this "line" of people were the "chosen ones". It was a HUGE deal to make a place (temple) where JeHovaH could come visit the people. They had already had visits from him for years in a tent (portable tabernacle). These same people had also spent a considerable amount of time ridding the area of "godless people"; supposedly on the orders of their god. So why, according to history, does "King Solomon" immediately turn to Hiram, of Tyre (a blasted foreigner) in search of a master builder ?? My great, great Aunt ________ was an Eastern Star. (My dad's first cousin, so whatever). My mom's side of the family is the one with all the "secrets", but recall that my mom met my dad through my dad's brother. . . small town? ;D Anyway, this particular aunt has been "gone" for over 20 years. Somehow, I have her bible, with her notes in it, and in the front it has an emblem and statements about "the order of the Eastern Star". I know it wouldn't do any good to ask my parents about this. They feign igannance on ANY of my relatives religions, unless they are southern bap?t?st like my folks ;D. Hope I'm making some sense, here .
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Post by skywalker on Jan 4, 2013 10:30:31 GMT -6
What do the notes say? Any superduper Top Secret info about the Masons? Does it tell where the treasure is buried?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 11:33:24 GMT -6
Actually you have to ask to become a Mason. When my husband became one, his best friend already was in the order. My husband asked him how to become a Mason and was told he just had taken the first step. Most of the rituals are published on line now so...they are not so much a secret any more. It's kind of odd..I'm not religious as I've mentioned before but I've been to almost every church in town here..investigating and questing. I love God and the idea of God but I don't love the idea of man putting himself forward as a spokesman for God...that's disturbing to me as I've never needed a go between. However, that being said..there are times when I seem to 'remember' ceremony and ritual and I miss it. Like I have been a part of gorgeous religious ceremony or something similar with gold and bright colors..and it hits me almost like a hollow ache in my stomach...the loss I feel. This has only been happening recently. It's almost akin to some half memory of something very long gone. The feeling I have known angels and miss them terribly..and sometimes I see landscapes that just cannot be from this planet. And I am no fan of ritual...so it's a bit of a mystery. I've also been 'cautioned' to think in less material manners this new year. Maybe the times will be more in that direction. I do feel I am changing.
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Post by CitizenK on Jan 5, 2013 1:51:02 GMT -6
Perhaps not all members are pursued but I know for a fact that the people I know that are or were in it were ALL pursued. Jo, I can relate very much to what you express here. I liken it to having memory in my DNA of something I once was a huge part of and loved very much but cannot be obtained any longer. (and I certainly loathe the notion of going through man to get to source!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 11:34:37 GMT -6
Yes..it's some kind of memory right down to my bones that I'm feeling...very old...very strong and I miss what I cannot even remember so badly that it aches sometimes
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Post by skywalker on Jan 5, 2013 14:00:47 GMT -6
What does it feel like it is? Some lost memory from your youth? Or maybe part of a past life perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 14:32:28 GMT -6
I really don't know exactly how to describe it. Like something I once knew and forgot and even though the memory is lost to me..I still long for it and miss it. It was very strong around Christmas..a hollow ache like I was missing something very important that was full of celebration and reverence and color. Being a part of something huge that I've lost somehow. I wonder sometimes if it's not a 'between' lives thing (I do believe strongly in reincarnation and can sometimes see a person as they were before). I think that when we come here...we have to forget..not have any other memories or we wouldn't get the full benefit of this life as we were meant to. It may be that as time passes..it's getting thinner...that thing which keeps memory away. Perhaps anyway..I have no other explanation.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 5, 2013 21:20:57 GMT -6
If people didn't forget their past lives they would probably keep going back and trying to relive their old life over again. Forgetting the old life is necessary for new memories to be created.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 1:01:24 GMT -6
I got a tear in my eye when I read that post, Jo. I have a hard time explaining such places, and the inner need for some ritual. . . I have found that most people find describing that "perfect world" sounds like boredom to them. Theres just something about the "lighting" there ; the light feels alive
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 10:28:29 GMT -6
You have NO idea how much it means to know I'm not alone in this. It has just hit me so hard the last couple of months and sounds so stupid when I try to explain why I seem on the verge of tears..over some strange longing..a memory of a memory? Eh..I'm going to drive myself bats one of these days...(going to?)
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Post by CitizenK on Jan 6, 2013 22:51:42 GMT -6
Sounds right to me Jo And yeah, it's a longing for something long forgotten that used to be a huge part of your life! Christams 7 yrs ago is when I started celebrating Solstice instead. My children and husband & I decorate a tree, light candles, have a huge feast with music and games. If weather permits we make a bonfire to sing around (nature songs of course) and have a very full fun time! My kids get gifts 4 days before everyone else too so it's a win win and no one ever complained. I now have 3 grown children who all still celebrate Solstice/Yule as well as Christmas with the rest of their family, and we all enjoy it very much. But Christmas was what kicked it off for me. We celebrate all of the natural orders such as equinoxes and solstices as well as the harvest moon and the wolf moon, for they are all times of season to do with crops and we are growers of many foods and herbs so we honor the system same as the old days. It helps to fulfill what I am missing, but it still isn't complete, not yet. Someday soon perhaps! lol
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Post by DEADnGONE on Nov 24, 2013 13:18:43 GMT -6
Never have so few exposed how little they know bout a topic as what has just been cited. Become a MASON and maybe the info. being spewed forth will have more of an accurate "ring" to it or it might even not be coming forth at all.
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