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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 0:45:23 GMT -6
But we're talking about the "dead" here. As in, someone that was once alive and known on this Earth. I'm glad someone is finally saying that there are no rules. ;D (In regards to the ufo phenomenon, That drove me nuts on the other forum; with all the talk about what things can and cannot do. According to some "laws" of our physical plane. And emotional agreements that no one remembers making.) Of course You don't know everyone that I know, and I don't know everyone that You know, so if I see something that appears like a wisp of a person, and I don't recognize them, why would I immediately assume that this is that person's ghost? And again, I am talking about a ghost in reference to someone that was once alive. I just need some sort of rule here. Please . That if we are talking about "seeing the dead", then whatever we are seeing was once alive. Can I repeat myself again? Cliff's casual referencing here into aliens and abductions bothers me . I have already acknowledged that my lifetime of paranormal activities involves these Visitors, and whatever agenda (or not) that "they" have. As for lumping other paranormal stories into the Ufo phenomenon, I can see that, and I understand that thought process. There is more than one major story in ufo legend, where supposedly someone's dead relative was in the Visitor event. Either as a comfort, or an actual part of the agony of a "bad" abduction. And unfortunately, because there are no rules, someone could think that their nice, kindly grandfather has come back "from the dead" as some sinister prop helping the aliens? I've read many cases from other people who have been visited by e.t.'s who have also had experiences with ghosts. This is why I mention the two. Having an encounter with a ghost alone without having an e.t encounter is odd enough and far out of the ordinary, and vice versa. I've had both. When I started reading about others who were having both types of encounters I found out that there is probably more to it, or so it seems. I think Whitley Streiber is one among so many if my memory serves me correctly. Then there are 'screened memories'.When all of this was happening to me I didn't have a clue and never heard of this before but when I started reflecting back and thinking about some of the capabilities that these entities have it dawned on me that some of the things that I thought were one thing may have been something else entirely. I'm far from drawing any conclusions with this phenomena. I don't have the slightest clue as to what is what or who . It is far too strange for me to even try to understand. I just know that I'm trying to stay as open minded as possible but I don't see myself figuring any of this out in the immediate future. I wonder,,, is there a point in even trying anymore ? It seems every time I try to figure something out it only leads to more questions with more riddles to solve. It's a vicious cycle and no one has found an answer yet.
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Post by sunbow on Nov 23, 2012 8:42:29 GMT -6
I am of the opinion that understanding with the mind is something they are trying to help us get over. There is a more direct intuitive knowing that can be used; and in dealing with the subtler dimensions present all around us, the mind does not have the facilities to apply its current paradigm. The mind has its place and should be honed to be sharp and clear, but should also know when to take a back seat. The mind is always pondering the past, experience is in the present. To communicate on a forum like this, we are stuck in the mind and stumbling for words about pure direct perceptions which we had in the past. Advanced beings most likely put mental reasoning in it domain and have expanded their other direct sensory intuitive functioning. IMO: Believing the mind will ever understand is a false hope, however, knowing that we can accept and function on subtler levels is a step toward greater holistic being.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 15:12:11 GMT -6
I can do that sometimes..understand without using the mind..but I'm more of the opinion that it's information directly given to me (for someone else) rather than some data base of information tapped into. If I read for someone I pray for information, direction, answers..then it's either there or it's not so I've always considered it from guardian angels, or guides..information given if that person is to have a helping hand. Very seldom have I ever asked and not had either advice or warning or just words to soothe. It is said..that others stand ready to help if we just ask. I believe that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 15:53:26 GMT -6
I can do that sometimes..understand without using the mind..but I'm more of the opinion that it's information directly given to me (for someone else) rather than some data base of information tapped into. If I read for someone I pray for information, direction, answers..then it's either there or it's not so I've always considered it from guardian angels, or guides..information given if that person is to have a helping hand. Very seldom have I ever asked and not had either advice or warning or just words to soothe. It is said..that others stand ready to help if we just ask. I believe that. Thanks Jo, I knew you could clarify . Sorry I used the words "tapped into" earlier, and that sounds like I'm talking about a data base of information. I do think that is there. But I agree that there are "others" who know things about us and our families. I just think it is very rare to actually have a "dead relative" come and give information to a medium.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 16:01:40 GMT -6
When I started reading about others who were having both types of encounters I found out that there is probably more to it, or so it seems. I think Whitley Streiber is one among so many if my memory serves me correctly. I believe that Whitley S. presents in his second book (the one after Communion) that he considers the idea that the "Visitors" are demons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 16:03:54 GMT -6
I also keep ghosts and aliens separate. Aliens occasionally leave marks on a body after missing time. Yes, reports of hitting them exist ( www.travis-walton.com/aliens.html), humans being given to fear and not diplomacy, especially under duress. Ghosts are not always visible, sometimes they are auditory, often they are a tactile gut sense of presence. If course in many cases, unless you know someone and recognize the image or voice, you cannot say it is a ghost. Then again, even if you do recognize it, is it really them? No rules, but at the same time, we must pay close attention to our feelings at the time. The perceptions are secondary to the inner sensing of what energy is being sensed. This is where a calm clear mind which can step aside is essential, because if the mind starts to race, it is obscuring the inner perceptions that we need to pay attention to. Thank You. ;D ;D
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Post by lois on May 5, 2013 22:43:07 GMT -6
Here is a thread that I completely missed.. ;D ;D I just now read the entire thread.. I don't pretend to know anything about ghost. like you said no rules...I posted what I'm about to post either here ufomania or TEOR. My Grandmother went up to Joliet Illnois south of Chicage to visit a daughter now married. She was my Aunt Pearl. Oldest sister of three sisters. One of these sister was my Mother who was still in school at the time. My Aunt took her Mother sightseeing. They were just walking down a street lined with shopping areas Cafes and such. They passed a place my Grandmother stopped in front of. My Aunt told her Oh you do not want to go in here. This is one of those places that tell your fortune and talk with the dead. But my grandmother had lost her Mother just a short time before. She wanted to speak with her.. They needed no appointment nor had my grandmother ever been to Joilet in her life. This woman had them sit down at a table .. above the tabel was a huge bell.... how it was attached to anything I do not know. Only that the bell started ringing very softly and it started to float around the room when it got over my Grandmother it rest on her lap. The ringing tone stopped . A voice spoke like it was right inside this bell . It was a voice of a female. Not a loud voice but a very soft voice. It called her Mother.. My grandmother I'm not sure of her reaction at this time. But I do know she did not leave that chair. as she keep on listening. My Aunt also was taking all this in.. Then the voice told her it was Bertie her first born . Bertie had died about six months old. The voice said "Mother you would not know me now, but I have always been with you.and all my sisters ... the sisters were all born after her. here is unbelievable and amazing to me. She named my Mother and the other three sisters and one brother.. . then she said my brother is with me. Samuel was the baby and died at two of Mennigitis.. My grandmother asked her. When your grandmother passed awhile back we search her home and her cameo locket is missing." The voice in the Bell said "look behind the bottom shelf of her old cupboard . It is stuck there where no one would ever see it.. I don't recall anything else that was said. But this bell lifted up off her lap and floated back up above the table and stayed there. And yes the locket was right where this voice told her to look.. My Mother told me this when I was in my mid teens. . Then my Aunt from Joilet came down to live with us for a short time after her husband had passed I ask her about when My grandma came up to visit. She told me almost the exact same way my Mother did or she may of added some of the above ..... I'm not sure now. My Aunt said .. Lois don't be telling people as they will think your are touched in the head. . I told her ..No way was I ever going to repeat it. It did not sound so crazy to family as the stories we heard down through the years and with my great grandmother herself. It was like oh really? and that was the end of it. I may of told my kids but if I did I doubt if they believed any of it.. ;D What was that voice . No one there knew my Aunt or My Grandmother . That would of had to of been set up way before hand. And they had no appt. ahead of time. That is what was so amazing also..
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Post by sunbow on May 6, 2013 7:22:48 GMT -6
Great story.
My Grandmother had a story to tell also. Around 1904, when she was around 8 years old in the old country, they lived in a village on a mountain (hill really) of about a hundred or so people. In the middle of the night a woman started screaming her son's name and wailing. Of course the whole town woke up and tried top console her. She had been visited by her son who had died. Of course there was no form of communication. No one could placate the woman. Two days later the body arrived on a cart pulled by a donkey.
My Aunts and Father state that my grandmother was always a bit touched, so perhaps she was: she had proof that souls live after death.
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Post by lois on May 6, 2013 21:20:37 GMT -6
Great story. My Grandmother had a story to tell also. Around 1904, when she was around 8 years old in the old country, they lived in a village on a mountain (hill really) of about a hundred or so people. In the middle of the night a woman started screaming her son's name and wailing. Of course the whole town woke up and tried top console her. She had been visited by her son who had died. Of course there was no form of communication. No one could placate the woman. Two days later the body arrived on a cart pulled by a donkey. My Aunts and Father state that my grandmother was always a bit touched, so perhaps she was: she had proof that souls live after death. Yes I believe they are still with us also in some sense or other.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 5:21:53 GMT -6
On December 25th, 2014 (Christmas night), my mom passed away. I should've had (and was just about to have) a breakdown/meltdown ....instead, something/ someone extraordinary changed that. I could see her (not with my eyes per se, but more like in a vision). She was smiling. She told me not to grieve but instead be happy for her because she had received her reward. (She was a dedicated Christian). Immediately, and miraculously, what should've been instead, was Three of my sisters (one of them in Vegas ) had something similar happen to them at the same time. I still haven't had that breakdown ,,,,,at least not yet. One of my brothers (who is a preacher) said it was "the Holy Comforter". Until then, I couldn't understand why some people smiled at funerals. Now I do.
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Post by auntym on May 17, 2015 12:33:11 GMT -6
On December 25th, 2014 (Christmas night), my mom passed away. I should've had (and was just about to have) a breakdown/meltdown ....instead, something/ someone extraordinary changed that. I could see her (not with my eyes per se, but more like in a vision). She was smiling. She told me not to grieve but instead be happy for her because she had received her reward. (She was a dedicated Christian). Immediately, and miraculously, what should've been instead, was Three of my sisters (one of them in Vegas ) had something similar happen to them at the same time. I still haven't had that breakdown ,,,,,at least not yet. One of my brothers (who is a preacher) said it was "the Holy Comforter". Until then, I couldn't understand why some people smiled at funerals. Now I do. touched...i'm so sorry about your mom...mine passed away 3 wks before my 18th birthday...and i have never gotten over it...but...i see her everynight when i close my eyes...she's there...standing in front of me... smiling... then she fades away...
because of that i know she's always around me...and she's happy
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 7:46:18 GMT -6
On December 25th, 2014 (Christmas night), my mom passed away. I should've had (and was just about to have) a breakdown/meltdown ....instead, something/ someone extraordinary changed that. I could see her (not with my eyes per se, but more like in a vision). She was smiling. She told me not to grieve but instead be happy for her because she had received her reward. (She was a dedicated Christian). Immediately, and miraculously, what should've been instead, was Three of my sisters (one of them in Vegas ) had something similar happen to them at the same time. I still haven't had that breakdown ,,,,,at least not yet. One of my brothers (who is a preacher) said it was "the Holy Comforter". Until then, I couldn't understand why some people smiled at funerals. Now I do. touched...i'm so sorry about your mom...mine passed away 3 wks before my 18th birthday...and i have never gotten over it...but...i see her everynight when i close my eyes...she's there...standing in front of me... smiling... then she fades away...
because of that i know she's always around me...and she's happy It's never a good time to lose your mom. But at 17? I'm so sorry, Aunty. I'm so glad you have "peace" about it. As much as I "degrade" my own mom, most of it is from the past, or stuff I see in myself that I don't like. I have to make more effort to forgive. and I'll tell you, don't ever let anyone tell you that people can't change! Getting to know my mom now, when she is an "old lady", and I'm an adult, definitely has that "edge" to it : "what am I going to do when she's gone??!"
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 8:04:43 GMT -6
Sorry about your loss, Cliff. I do think that today's funerals are supposed to be a "celebration" . Especially when you know where your loved one now is. But allow your self to grieve. It's only natural, and should be temporary. Not a "breakdown". I think (and have been told) that holding things (emotions) in too long is not the best way to go. But finding that "release", in a way that is "healthy", can sound pretty scary on something so important. So, I remind myself that in biblical times, the women literally wailed. And they grieved for 3 mo. Three months sounds like a long time to focus on grieving, but probably better than "spurts" coming out every Christmas for 10 years . . . IDK.
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Post by sunbow on May 23, 2015 9:31:07 GMT -6
Rambling from my point of view - no need to agree... Its strange that even if we are completely convinced that only the body dies, that the sadness arises. We are the ones who lose, those who pass on naturally are fine. Even those that die traumatically and young are fine, though I'm sure that is a different journey. We must all live with ourselves and yet infinite love awaits everyone.
I recently put down one of our dogs at the vet. When the drugs first hit he got a intense look of relief from pain, pleasure, and some fear. I was helping to hold him and assured him to lay down and rest. It was the loving thing to do and I know he is fine, but yet there is a sadness and karmic connection.
I think that since we are all quantum meta-entangled, that when someone crosses the boundary into the other side, that our luminous body experiences a jolt, as a bundle of strings that pass through us are completely transformed and change dimensions. It does not matter what the mind thinks or knows, it is a visceral reaction.
Anny and Whitley S. after reading thousands of Communion letters, decided the Visitors have something to do with death. I suspect they are shamanic enough that they are continually aware of both this realm and that realm and that is one of the reasons they have such a profound impact on people.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:23:36 GMT -6
no need to agree... Its strange that even if we are completely convinced that only the body dies, that the sadness arises. We are the ones who lose, those who pass on naturally are fine. Even those that die traumatically and young are fine, though I'm sure that is a different journey. We must all live with ourselves and yet infinite love awaits everyone. even those that die traumatically and young are fine though I'm sure that is a different journeyThe only biblical reference that I have of this reality, is not even in every bible. It's the story of the 'Macabees'. They died in a violent revolt, and people are told to "pray for them". I'm confident that peoples of all faiths in our Holy Father have felt stirrings to "pray for the dead", and it's just something I wont understand until I am also on the other side. The idea of "purgatory" is beyond my understanding. I believe that the criminal hanging on the cross next to Yeshua was told that he would be in Paradise with Christ, that very day, after talking with Yeshua. After a very traumatic death.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:30:28 GMT -6
Can we suppose, that in the traumatic death above, given as example, that this criminal knew he was dying, and was able to "make everything OK" before he died?That that is the reason he received such reassurance?
We can speculate all we want. But it is horrifying for me to think of a child, killed instantly in a car wreck, murder, drowning, etc., and them "wandering lost". Horrifying to imagine for any age person.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:38:08 GMT -6
- no need to agree... Anny and Whitley S. after reading thousands of Communion letters, decided the Visitors have something to do with death. I suspect they are shamanic enough that they are continually aware of both this realm and that realm and that is one of the reasons they have such a profound impact on people. And I think its "OK" for them to express this opinion, after reading thousands of letters. And the way you put it, Sunbow, resounds strongly with me. "They" have nothing to DO with our death, but are able to watch it. Just as "they" watch our lives, our dreams, etc. It makes me thankful for the kind ones (of "them"). Thank You, Sunbow.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:43:19 GMT -6
. . . and thank you, Cliff. For the reminder of the Holy Comforter.
that kindness and love, that is ever present, just "waiting" to be "tapped into". For everyday reassurances, and for those times when we feel utterly, hopelessly, alone.
There is a very good Plan in place, for all of us.
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Post by sunbow on May 24, 2015 17:31:51 GMT -6
Biblically there is the story of calling up Samuel. Note that the ability to communicate with the dead was punishable by death, which strikes me as a very strange law, but then wearing fabric of two different types of cloth or working on the Sabbath,... were similarly forbidden, but by the times of Kings, which superstitions still warranted death is not clearly known.
In the Communion letters, a few of these stories are shared. One where parents lost a young child and were heartbroken, A gray walked through the wall with the child who told the parents he was fine and happy, then departed the same way. Its been a while since I read this.
There is the spiritualist movement and the transmitting of messages from the dead. Being between lives does not make one a great source of wisdom (or enlightened) but often the messages are about very human things in the personal relationship that existed.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 23:54:26 GMT -6
1) Being between lives does not make one a great source of wisdom (or enlightened) (my spacing) 2) but often the messages are about very human things in the personal relationship that existed. 1) So have I understood wrong, that some people have been amazed, when their "passed-on" relative was different, more knowledgeable? Like the live person almost didn't recognize (not physically different) the aparation? It seems like I have heard this "emotion", more than once, when otherwise live people actually get the sense that they are making a "contact" with a dead relative. (?) I would think, that a person would "learn" more, after dying. And that even gives them more reason to come back briefly and encourage us that are alive on this plane/dimension/whatever. My other "idea" is not so pleasant. But not always a terrible thing, none-the-less. Of course it depends on who they are imitating, for what "reason", and how "good" at it they are. Yes, I am talking about discarnate spirits playing a role. _________________________________________________________________________________________ Which brings me to you talking about "Samuel". I think you just switched a couple of stories, my friend (though both stories are beyond important). Samuel, if you recall, was a little boy. One who was "given" to the church; probably around 3 yrs. old, because he was "promised". There are others in the Bible, and the term is usually "after the child is weaned". The Book of the Bible called Judges, was during a period of time when our Father G_d quit speaking to individuals personally (some time after Moses. And I can infer some reasons here, myself, but things are pretty clear). So the people had Elders/Judges (some of them women, of course) to help them keep their "affairs" in order, follow the commandments some, etc. Samuel, in the church, heard a voice calling his name. He would go to the priest that was in charge of him, and ask what the priest wanted. The priest suggested (knowing it wasn't himself calling the boy) that it was "Someone Else" . ***************** on the other hand, Saul, the "king" that was "found hiding" by a prophet, when the people insisted they have a king, just like their neighbors, (Saul, father of Jonathan, and eventually David's foe)., most likely did not have conversations with G_d. So, he went to see "a lady in Endor"(?), as probably he and his people were taking on ALL the customs of the surrounding nations, just like they had been warned not to. And yes, the lady called up something. As far as I know, some biblical scholars argue over whether an actual "dead person" could be talked to at whim (by certain people with "gifts"), or if it was a "discarnate spirit". FYI: the people (priests) of Israel were allowed to use the "Umin and Thurman" (spelling!), a breast plate of precious stones, and to "cast lots" to verify, what?? The Bible acknowledges "divers", etc. These things are "true", to abilities available on this Earth. I just think (know) G_d is telling us to "go to the Source". Back then, the way to the "Source", was thru "more enlightened people" (as now, good and "bad" people). Some people WILL ALWAYS be more comfortable having a "middle man". the bible is my "middle man". I can't claim to hear G_ds voice (more than twice ). But I can claim the promises, encouragement, love, etc. that somehow stays 'new'; when I read again in this book. I'm compelled to know these stories. I don't know how else to explain it.
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Post by sunbow on May 25, 2015 16:46:40 GMT -6
OK, Perhaps the dead have a better perspective than when they lived and that provides them insight, but they are not enlightened just because they are on the other side, nor are they angelic messengers of the source. Even if you have a true dead persons spirit to communicate with, as you said, why not go to the Source instead. Will the dead impress the living, well look at all the other junk the living are impressed with. I have also seen where the dead still play their power trip.
I was referring to Saul and the woman with a familiar spirit calling up Samuel. Though I have not reread the story, I do not think that there was anything written in that account that a spirit was called up instead of Samuel.
Unim and Thumin (sp), I Ching, throwing bones, humans have been diving in countless ways; but you and many here know that sometimes a glimpse of the future comes flashing in... what does that say about time? Fate? Destiny?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 7:35:00 GMT -6
OK, Perhaps the dead have a better perspective than when they lived and that provides them insight, but they are not enlightened just because they are on the other side, nor are they angelic messengers of the source. Even if you have a true dead persons spirit to communicate with, as you said, why not go to the Source instead. Will the dead impress the living, well look at all the other junk the living are impressed with. I have also seen where the dead still play their power trip. I was referring to Saul and the woman with a familiar spirit calling up Samuel. Though I have not reread the story, I do not think that there was anything written in that account that a spirit was called up instead of Samuel. Unim and Thumin (sp), I Ching, throwing bones, humans have been diving in countless ways; but you and many here know that sometimes a glimpse of the future comes flashing in... what does that say about time? Fate? Destiny? Yes. Saul was wanting to speak directly to Samuel. The prophet who ordained him. And on going back and reading, I had forgotten that there was a small period of time, after Samuel had a special dinner for Saul, and before Saul hid, that Saul had the "Holy Spirit" come upon him (before he was made king). There are also interesting "spiritual references" later, like when Saul suddenly threw something at David, while David was playing the harp for him. I agree with You; nothing was written up in the account regarding "spirit" being called up, as opposed to it actually being Samuel. Because the bible is repetitious, in even ways of referring to "spirit, angel (including definitions like lying spirit, death angel)", or for example: son of man/or son of God, the passage seems to be straight forward. I was also intrigued about how clear the bible is about names for prophets, etc. (like seer), and names for people and places. The "witch at Endor" could be much like the "____________ at Delphi". My son, when reading some modern tale about dragons as a preteen, told me they used the city name of Endor. I thought, "now where have I heard that before?" You and I and others now, getting "glimpses of the future". I can't recall that happening to anyone in the Old Testament? (other than rather obscure dreams ) and I'm trying to think of an example in the New Testament (after Jesus was crucified, especially). It has always been my understanding that this new, straight, personal route to the Source was one of the specialties we obtained personally, because Jesus defeated "death". But this Samuel/Saul/Samuel story has a lot to dig into! I thought no one, unless purified, consecrated, certain geneology, was allowed into the "Holy of Holies" (where the arc sat).
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 7:50:31 GMT -6
" There are two allegations referred to 1 Samuel 3:3. The verse is quoted below from the KJV, the NIV, and the NKJV.
And ere the lamp of God went out in the temple of the Lord, where the ark of God was, and Samuel was laid down to sleep (KJV). The lamp of God had not yet gone out, and Samuel was lying down in the temple of the Lord, where the ark of God was (NIV). And before the lamp of God went out in the tabernacle of the Lord where the ark of God was, and while Samuel was lying down (NKJV). The translation used by the NKJV gives a clue as to where the first misunderstanding comes from. The Hebrew word is hekäl. This word is used of the temple, but the word is literally a large building or edifice. Commentators1 have suggested that before the building of the temple the word was often applied to the sacred tabernacle. Therefore, it is perfectly possible for Samuel to have been asleep in this tabernacle. This alleged discrepancy is not so much a mistranslation as a misunderstanding.
The other alleged discrepancy with this verse is that Samuel was sleeping in the sacred portion of this tabernacle, the holy of holies, where the ark of God was. The NKJV gets it correct by pointing out that light went out where the holy of holies was while Samuel was lying down, not that he was lying down in this very holy place. This shows the difficulty of translating Hebrew into English when not careful." answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/sleeping-in-the-temple/__________________________________________________________________ I don't know anything else about this website. I just know that I'm not the only one questioning. It is clear to me, that on Yeshua's death, the curtain in the 'church', separating the "holy of holies" from us, non-priest people, was torn in half. That being said, someone could possibly infer that it might be even easier for US to "talk to the dead", after this. Anyway, topic in mind, there is bible commentary about death in general, and where the "dead" go . . . and I think "Heaven" is a destination, but not always mentioned . . . What was Lazarus like after he came back from the dead? Why is that missing? ~sigh~
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Post by sunbow on May 26, 2015 17:22:07 GMT -6
There is a ton of things missing, many stories that we would like to hear. We have fragments. Some pieces, like the gospel of Mary Magdalene were intentionally destroyed, such that only two partial texts remain. Then there is apocrypha, where many books written later had an apostle's name added to increase the circulation or whatever; which make sorting this out hard. Finally language, the Aramaic scholars are proving that the original poetic language was never meant to be converted to a linear language like KJV and our English.
There were many prophets who foretold the future and in some ways the bible is a book of prophesy. Of course the prophesies remembered are mostly involving kings and battles. I seem to recall someone having potent dreams, maybe judges. Right now re-reading the bible is not on my agenda. I am studying the I Ching (15-20 minutes a day as I have time), not so much as a divining tool, but as a perspective on world view, to open my perception.
It seems that the fact that humans can transcend time and get glimpses of the future is a tremendously evolved trait. Dean Raden in the scientific proof of this ability has equated it with the predator- prey condition which would make such ability evolve. I don't know about that, but the scientific proof is very extensive and concrete. Time is either not as we imagine it or our consciousness is not part of space-time. I take the later belief: our souls of perception and spirits of action are not boundin space-time, though that is teh illusion taht our world view impresses upon us.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 11:43:24 GMT -6
interesting thoughts to think further, as always. Thank You, Sunbow! _______________________________________________________________ " ] The inclusion of the Ten Wings reflects a widespread recognition in ancient China, found in the Zuo zhuan and other pre-Han texts, that the I Ching was a rich moral and symbolic document useful for more than professional divination" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I imagine there are people out there saying "I don't have time right now to go back and re-read the I Ching". LOL. The Source is the author of everything. I've seen the hexagrams in formations that look like the K. tree. The back of a tortoise shell; likewise. I'm just comparing to something I'm familiar with; no disrespect intended. The study of cosmology, numerical components involved in our lives, ALL direct us back to the Source, if you listen . The wise man always ASKS for discernment. I can't think of any possible reason why man/woman should ever think we are in this life alone. Be it nature, another human, alien, or imaginary. The concept of "aloneness" is an aberration. And we never thought of it all by ourselves. . _______________________________________________________________ Now, for a friendly scolding. How did your life get so busy that you only have 20 minutes a day to read?? I hope it is truly the pleasant kind of "busyness". There IS that; for a time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 0:01:07 GMT -6
To me this sort of bears out my theory of some people being able to see or hear or sense other forms because the same is said of angels..some see them, some hear them and some sense them...some never do. I'm sure the people who can, vibrate on a closer 'frequency' to them enough to see or sense or hear. What I do is different..and it's very much the same as when I read for someone..the 'information' is just there..available to me if it's going to be. I have that same thing with angels. I just am made aware of messages or they're just in my head..like the phone number that one time and the repeating song. If I ask for some sign..there usually is one. I can't see or hear them other than as some esp message if my mind is uncluttered. If I am overly emotional I can't grasp a thing because emotion gets in the way of esp and other psychic forms. I have always had trouble with that. I am a hugely emotional being (something my father capitalized on)..I use meditation and beta waves to even out my emotions before I can read for anyone..or try our 'experiments' or anything using my sensy self. If I could make my brain behave and just accept..I think I wouldn't have to go through back doors to grasp what I know is there . I feel pretty 'suppressed' because I want to experiment with astral travel or remote view a lot further ..or make it into the hall of records (I've seen it..but can't open the door). But there is this block that won't let me go further.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 1:17:20 GMT -6
Ok, I'll spew. I think, You Jo, are a lot more _____________ than even you know. I can't recall if you ever asked "It" to go away. And your protection stuff doesn't make it go away. Sigh. Here goes . . . A lot of people like to look at the alien/paranormal phenomenon and be interested, curious, but not have it purposely touch their lives. I notice among us experiencers, that we'd rather have a "nice experience" a long time ago, but not just yesterday. But, I keep insisting that "they" don't ever leave us totally; especially if they've known us since childhood. If anything, their seeming disappearance from our lives, as I've said, is a type of "kindness" after all the disruptions "they've" already caused. I honestly think that "they" are the ones somewhat suppressing your "skills", Jo. Like with my memory, "their" suppressing of things doesn't just affect what "they" want us to know about "them". It affects other parts of our lives we use things for. How would you feel, really, if you knew some of the thoughts in your head involved knowing more about "them"? Especially the way you often get "stuff"; without even asking. Well, "they're" not too comfortable with that either; someone (though not always intentionally) spying on "Them". ________________________________________________________ Last but not least, I'm still kind of stuck on an idea that some "alien" poster (on another forum) suggested. Any of you remember, um, i think it was, "perfection"? He suggested that some "aliens" were "riders". That "they" were somehow attached to our backs, base of spine, etc., and I'm sorry, but I think there is possibilities of this (in some ways). Number one, it explains why I sometimes see things "attached" to people (as just a shadow thing, basically). I think Sunbow and I once talked about "their" being some attachment to our "kundalini" (and about activation of that). We all seem to agree that "they" have telepathic abilities. Maybe enhanced by a machine. And maybe "they" can be invisible. What if, away from "their" ship, tools, close proximity to machines, "they" can "ride" us for a short time? Send a link into our brain (implant?) and "see what we are seeing?" STEP FURTHER: "they" know you are psy! What information can "they" get from a human, if "they" happen to be "aboard" when you have a psy thought or vision? Especially if you have them (PSY abilities) quite often?? (forget the idea of an all-recording implant for a sec). Your next thought might be "SHOVE OFF, You THIEF! PIRATE" ! You are protected from harm. "They" don't see it as harming you. You're missing a little bit of your abilities. "Theyre" constantly trying to smooth that out; you're sensing something slightly amiss. And what about "them" do your thoughts keep returning too? (closing eyes waiting for impact of Jo slugging me)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 1:24:38 GMT -6
Oh, and the vibration thing? That's another thing "they" took from us. It sure was a "giveaway" that we knew . . . that's why now, you just "do it". And "they" try to make it all seem like "its all normal". No signals before we go on a trip; nada.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 1:26:23 GMT -6
(I bet it is pretty easy to clutter our minds)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 11:25:06 GMT -6
Looking at JC eyebrows elevated...fill in the blank? Um...full of BS....tetched in the head....nutters....creepy....maddening....vexing...provoking LOL....aren't blanks so much fun.. Actually...can't make it go away...but can keep it at bay...at least from the physical. They always monitor..always hear..always intercept. I know this and that sure was re-inforced the night we did the experiment about Sky's abduction. It raised their antenna a few notches and gave me the willies for a few days. I can feel that. I consider I am in a bubble..I'm not sure how I got there but I do have a protective wrap..or wards..or voo doo whammy stay away from me goo sprayed on..but it truly is there. I have done so many spells..prayers..pleadings and whatnot..that I am not sure which of what gave me this huge slice of peace and protection but I'm blessed to have it and grateful for it. Maybe it's just that I believe enough that it's there and so it is. Could be.
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