Post by plutronus on Jan 2, 2013 3:40:59 GMT -6
All,
I know that this is all old and dated, but it is still interesting reading, and it is one of the few purported military-like information sources regarding ET that at least seems a bit plausible, --as it is possible that the fellow did not have the need to have a US Military security clearance for a joint NATO organization ET disclosure, and or the source of the information, might not have been classified in the normal US Military sense, due to its NATO affiliation. And its possible that the information could have 'jumped out of' the normal US Military classification 'channels' because of its NATO affiliation and by the joint NATO personnel handling. In other words, the really juicy information was likely not disclosed to NATO and therefore not as secret, --only the lower level information, the mininum required to instantiate low level edification of the subject to joint NATO affiliates. And also, it should be noted, that the period being reported was before the US Military officially declared ET visitation to be a non-threat, via the Condon Study which terminated in 1969. In any case it is interesting reading.
Below is an excerpt from a website hosted by a retired police officer (and a Ham Radio Operator), who was a disbeliver in ET subjects until he had an experience with a sighting and then he, began researching the subject himself. I find his whole website to be a good read, and nicely done too. His website is hosted by the QSL Ham Radio Club.
Enjoy...
plutronus
(Modified text to clarify the 'classification' points.)
======= excerpt of the Robert Dean Interview follows =======
From: www.qsl.net/w5www/serious.html
(home page: www.qsl.net/w5www/ufo.htm)
Inside the Military UFO Underground: NATO Meets ET
This article is from the April 1994 issue of Omni magazine. Name: Robert 0. Dean, retired Army command sergeant major. Claim: Back in the Sixties, NATO issued a classified report stating that UFOs were real, of extraterrestrial origin, and had visited the earth. This extraordinary report was said to come out of NATO's command center, the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers, Europe (SHAPE), located then just outside of Paris, France.
Background: Dean, a highly decorated veteran, served on the front lines in both Korea and Vietnam. In 1963, while assigned to the Supreme Headquarters operations Center (SHOC), SHAPE's war room, headed up by then-supreme allied commander of Europe, Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer, Dean claims he was able to read the detailed 12-inch-thick NATO report on UFOs.
Here's the Story, according to Bob Dean:
"SHAPE was one of those choice assignments. You had to have a spotless record and pass security background checks. I applied on a whim and got it. I was very proud and pleased. At SHAPE, I was put through more security checks, given a Cosmic Top Secret clearance (yes, this is a real term, the highest NATO has), and assigned to the Supreme Headquarters Operations Center, known as SHOC, the NATO war room. In those days, the activity would run hot and cold, and much of it would depend on how the Soviets wanted to play it. The most intriguing thing to me was that we were continually having a problem with large, metallic, circular objects that would appear over central Europe; these were reported as visual phenomena by our pilots and appeared on radar as well. Some flew in formation, and most of the time we spotted them coming out of the Soviet Union, over East Germany, West Germany, France, and then they'd often circle somewhere over the English Channel and head north, disappearing from NATO radar over the Norwegian Sea. These objects were very large, moving very fast, at very high attitudes, higher than we could reach at the time. And they seemed obviously under intelligent control.
I was told this had been going on for some time and that in February of 1961 there had been quite a scare. Fifty of these objects were spotted on radar and headed in formation from the Soviet Union toward Europe, flying at about 100,000 feet. The Soviets had closed all borders. Everybody went to red alert. All hell broke loose. We really thought "The War" had started. We scrambled. We knew the Russians were scrambling. It was the largest number of these objects that had been seen. Fortunately -- and only by the grace of God -- we didn't start bombing and neither did the Russians. In nine minutes, they were gone.
I was told that then-Deputy Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, Sir Thomas Pike, had been repeatedly requesting information from London and Washington about these objects, but nothing would ever come. We found out later that the Columbine-Topaz spy ring in Paris was intercepting everything and forwarding it to the KGB, which often got intelligence information even before we did. So Pike decided, I was told, to develop an in-house study to determine whether these objects were a military threat.
In the meantime, the UFO matter literally brought about the establishment of direct communication between the East and West in 1962, which I have always found interesting and ironic. We had pretty well determined by that time that these were not Russian craft, and the Russians had determined they were not ours. So, we came to an understanding, and a direct telephone line was opened between SHOC and the Warsaw Pact Headquarters Command. Of course, a setup was always a possibility, so we had backup ways of checking out whether the Russians were being truthful. But since we were both armed to the teeth and World War III was just ticking away, it was a logical stop in the right direction. That idea developed into the hotline between the president of the United States and the Soviet Premier, following the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Well, by the time I arrived in 1963, everybody had been talking about the study, and I had heard the rumors, seen the blips on radar, witnessed the commotions, and some of us occasionally even talked about the possibilities. But nothing really prepared me for what I started to read in the early morning hours one night in January 1964. It was about 2:00 a.m. and a relatively quiet night when the SHOC controller on duty went into the vault and came out with this huge document. "Take a look at this", he said. The title was simply Assessment: An Evaluation of a Possible Military Threat to Allied Forces in Europe. It was numbered, #3, stamped Cosmic Top Secret, had eight inches worth of appendices, dozens of photographs, and had been signed into the vault by German Colonel Heinz Berger, SHOC's head of security. I quickly learned that it was based on two and a half years of research, was funded by NATO money, and that only 15 copies were published, in English, German, and French. Each one was numbered. All were classified and ordered to be kept under lock and key.
Every time I got the chance, from then until I left, I would read a section or two in it. It was the most intriguing document I'd ever read. It was put together by military representatives of every NATO nation and also included contributions from some of the greatest scientific minds. These objects were violating all of our known laws of physics, and the study team had gone to Cambridge, Oxford, the Sorbonne, MIT, and other major universities for input on chemistry, physics, atmospheric physics, biology, history, psychology, and even theology, all of which were separate appendices.
I read about theories on Einstein's sought-after unified-field theory, the high radiation at various landing sites, and UFO reports that dated back to the Roman era and up to our own F105 pilots' sightings and encounters, and on and on. I had always been a skeptic. But this report concluded that this stuff was not science fiction. I read about contact encounters. One incident that had just happened in 1963 involved a landing on a Danish farm. According to the report, the farmer went aboard with the two little beings and two more human-looking men who spoke to him in Danish. The report included parts of his interrogation by government authorities and their conclusions that he was telling the truth. In another incident, according to the reports, a craft landed on an Italian airfield and offered to take an Italian sergeant for a ride. He wet his pants -- that's what it said -- and was so scared, he didn't go.
The appendix that really got to me was titled "Autopsies". I saw pictures of a 30-meter disc that had crashed in Timmensdorfer, Germany, near the Baltic Sea in 1961. The British Army, according to the report, got there first and put up a perimeter. The craft had landed in very soft, loamy soil near the Russian border and so hadn't destructed, but One-third of it was buried in. We and the Russians, who also quickly showed up, had both tracked it.
Inside, there were 12 small bodies, all dead. There were pictures of the bodies, which looked like the beings known as the "grays", being laid out and then put on stretchers and loaded into jeeps and autopsy photos, too. Some of the little grays appeared to not be a reproductive capable species. The autopsy guys concluded, according to the report, that it looked as if they had been cut out of a cookie cutter -- clones with no alimentary tract. They did not ingest or process food as we know it, nor did it appear that they had any system for elimination.
The craft itself was cut up like a pie into six pieces, put on lowboys and hauled off. Scuttlebutt was that it was given to the Americans and flown to Wright Patterson Air Force base in Ohio. I looked at these pictures and couldn't believe it. My skin got cold and I thought, My God. I had never really believed we were all alone in the universe, but this was hard to swallow.
The major conclusions in the NATO report blew me away. There were five:
1) The planet and human race had been the subject of a detailed survey of some kind by several different extra-terrestrial civilizations, four of which they had identified visually. One race looked almost indistinguishable from us. Another resembled humans in height, stature, and structure, but with a very gray, pasty skin tone. The third race is now popularly known as the grays, and the fourth was described as reptilian, with vertical pupils and lizard-like skin.
2) These alien visitations had been going on for a very long time, at least 200 years, perhaps longer.
3) The extraterrestrials did not appear hostile since if that were their intent they would have already demonstrated their malevolence.
4) UFO appearances and quick disappearances as well as the flybys were demonstrations conducted on purpose to show us some of their capabilities.
5) A process or program of some sort seemed to be underway since flybys progressed to landings and eventually contact.
I wanted so badly to copy this thing. I did take a photograph of the cover sheet, which wasn't in and of itself classified. But I didn't want to wind up in Fort Leavenworth. So instead I would go to the bathroom and take notes surreptitiously, very carefully. I have been through an awful lot in my life, but I've never been able to just walk away from that report. I know that I'm taking a chance by violating my oaths. But this is the most important issue of our times -- so important that I can't think of anything more important, and the public has been deceived and completely kept in the dark about all of this for all these years. It's the biggest scientific, political scandal ever. Besides, what have I got to lose? I'm 64 years old now. Are they going to bump me off? I have told the truth. My integrity and credibility stand. When is our government going to tell the truth?"
Update:
After 27 years at military service, Bob Dean retired and began another 14-year career with the Pima County Sheriff's Department Emergency Services in Tucson, Arizona. In 1990, he gave a lecture at the University of Arizona in which he talked about UFOs. The talk garnered local media coverage. Afterward, he was denied a promotion at the Sheriff's Department, because, he alleged, he believed in UFOs. Dean filed suit and won an out-of-court settlement in March 1992. Now retired, Dean has become a member of several UFO organizations and has begun giving occasional lectures. He is working through "any and all legitimate channels" to uncover a copy of the NATO document and to gather witnesses for an open Congressional hearing on the subject of UFOs.
I know that this is all old and dated, but it is still interesting reading, and it is one of the few purported military-like information sources regarding ET that at least seems a bit plausible, --as it is possible that the fellow did not have the need to have a US Military security clearance for a joint NATO organization ET disclosure, and or the source of the information, might not have been classified in the normal US Military sense, due to its NATO affiliation. And its possible that the information could have 'jumped out of' the normal US Military classification 'channels' because of its NATO affiliation and by the joint NATO personnel handling. In other words, the really juicy information was likely not disclosed to NATO and therefore not as secret, --only the lower level information, the mininum required to instantiate low level edification of the subject to joint NATO affiliates. And also, it should be noted, that the period being reported was before the US Military officially declared ET visitation to be a non-threat, via the Condon Study which terminated in 1969. In any case it is interesting reading.
Below is an excerpt from a website hosted by a retired police officer (and a Ham Radio Operator), who was a disbeliver in ET subjects until he had an experience with a sighting and then he, began researching the subject himself. I find his whole website to be a good read, and nicely done too. His website is hosted by the QSL Ham Radio Club.
Enjoy...
plutronus
(Modified text to clarify the 'classification' points.)
======= excerpt of the Robert Dean Interview follows =======
From: www.qsl.net/w5www/serious.html
(home page: www.qsl.net/w5www/ufo.htm)
Inside the Military UFO Underground: NATO Meets ET
This article is from the April 1994 issue of Omni magazine. Name: Robert 0. Dean, retired Army command sergeant major. Claim: Back in the Sixties, NATO issued a classified report stating that UFOs were real, of extraterrestrial origin, and had visited the earth. This extraordinary report was said to come out of NATO's command center, the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers, Europe (SHAPE), located then just outside of Paris, France.
Background: Dean, a highly decorated veteran, served on the front lines in both Korea and Vietnam. In 1963, while assigned to the Supreme Headquarters operations Center (SHOC), SHAPE's war room, headed up by then-supreme allied commander of Europe, Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer, Dean claims he was able to read the detailed 12-inch-thick NATO report on UFOs.
Here's the Story, according to Bob Dean:
"SHAPE was one of those choice assignments. You had to have a spotless record and pass security background checks. I applied on a whim and got it. I was very proud and pleased. At SHAPE, I was put through more security checks, given a Cosmic Top Secret clearance (yes, this is a real term, the highest NATO has), and assigned to the Supreme Headquarters Operations Center, known as SHOC, the NATO war room. In those days, the activity would run hot and cold, and much of it would depend on how the Soviets wanted to play it. The most intriguing thing to me was that we were continually having a problem with large, metallic, circular objects that would appear over central Europe; these were reported as visual phenomena by our pilots and appeared on radar as well. Some flew in formation, and most of the time we spotted them coming out of the Soviet Union, over East Germany, West Germany, France, and then they'd often circle somewhere over the English Channel and head north, disappearing from NATO radar over the Norwegian Sea. These objects were very large, moving very fast, at very high attitudes, higher than we could reach at the time. And they seemed obviously under intelligent control.
I was told this had been going on for some time and that in February of 1961 there had been quite a scare. Fifty of these objects were spotted on radar and headed in formation from the Soviet Union toward Europe, flying at about 100,000 feet. The Soviets had closed all borders. Everybody went to red alert. All hell broke loose. We really thought "The War" had started. We scrambled. We knew the Russians were scrambling. It was the largest number of these objects that had been seen. Fortunately -- and only by the grace of God -- we didn't start bombing and neither did the Russians. In nine minutes, they were gone.
I was told that then-Deputy Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, Sir Thomas Pike, had been repeatedly requesting information from London and Washington about these objects, but nothing would ever come. We found out later that the Columbine-Topaz spy ring in Paris was intercepting everything and forwarding it to the KGB, which often got intelligence information even before we did. So Pike decided, I was told, to develop an in-house study to determine whether these objects were a military threat.
In the meantime, the UFO matter literally brought about the establishment of direct communication between the East and West in 1962, which I have always found interesting and ironic. We had pretty well determined by that time that these were not Russian craft, and the Russians had determined they were not ours. So, we came to an understanding, and a direct telephone line was opened between SHOC and the Warsaw Pact Headquarters Command. Of course, a setup was always a possibility, so we had backup ways of checking out whether the Russians were being truthful. But since we were both armed to the teeth and World War III was just ticking away, it was a logical stop in the right direction. That idea developed into the hotline between the president of the United States and the Soviet Premier, following the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Well, by the time I arrived in 1963, everybody had been talking about the study, and I had heard the rumors, seen the blips on radar, witnessed the commotions, and some of us occasionally even talked about the possibilities. But nothing really prepared me for what I started to read in the early morning hours one night in January 1964. It was about 2:00 a.m. and a relatively quiet night when the SHOC controller on duty went into the vault and came out with this huge document. "Take a look at this", he said. The title was simply Assessment: An Evaluation of a Possible Military Threat to Allied Forces in Europe. It was numbered, #3, stamped Cosmic Top Secret, had eight inches worth of appendices, dozens of photographs, and had been signed into the vault by German Colonel Heinz Berger, SHOC's head of security. I quickly learned that it was based on two and a half years of research, was funded by NATO money, and that only 15 copies were published, in English, German, and French. Each one was numbered. All were classified and ordered to be kept under lock and key.
Every time I got the chance, from then until I left, I would read a section or two in it. It was the most intriguing document I'd ever read. It was put together by military representatives of every NATO nation and also included contributions from some of the greatest scientific minds. These objects were violating all of our known laws of physics, and the study team had gone to Cambridge, Oxford, the Sorbonne, MIT, and other major universities for input on chemistry, physics, atmospheric physics, biology, history, psychology, and even theology, all of which were separate appendices.
I read about theories on Einstein's sought-after unified-field theory, the high radiation at various landing sites, and UFO reports that dated back to the Roman era and up to our own F105 pilots' sightings and encounters, and on and on. I had always been a skeptic. But this report concluded that this stuff was not science fiction. I read about contact encounters. One incident that had just happened in 1963 involved a landing on a Danish farm. According to the report, the farmer went aboard with the two little beings and two more human-looking men who spoke to him in Danish. The report included parts of his interrogation by government authorities and their conclusions that he was telling the truth. In another incident, according to the reports, a craft landed on an Italian airfield and offered to take an Italian sergeant for a ride. He wet his pants -- that's what it said -- and was so scared, he didn't go.
The appendix that really got to me was titled "Autopsies". I saw pictures of a 30-meter disc that had crashed in Timmensdorfer, Germany, near the Baltic Sea in 1961. The British Army, according to the report, got there first and put up a perimeter. The craft had landed in very soft, loamy soil near the Russian border and so hadn't destructed, but One-third of it was buried in. We and the Russians, who also quickly showed up, had both tracked it.
Inside, there were 12 small bodies, all dead. There were pictures of the bodies, which looked like the beings known as the "grays", being laid out and then put on stretchers and loaded into jeeps and autopsy photos, too. Some of the little grays appeared to not be a reproductive capable species. The autopsy guys concluded, according to the report, that it looked as if they had been cut out of a cookie cutter -- clones with no alimentary tract. They did not ingest or process food as we know it, nor did it appear that they had any system for elimination.
The craft itself was cut up like a pie into six pieces, put on lowboys and hauled off. Scuttlebutt was that it was given to the Americans and flown to Wright Patterson Air Force base in Ohio. I looked at these pictures and couldn't believe it. My skin got cold and I thought, My God. I had never really believed we were all alone in the universe, but this was hard to swallow.
The major conclusions in the NATO report blew me away. There were five:
1) The planet and human race had been the subject of a detailed survey of some kind by several different extra-terrestrial civilizations, four of which they had identified visually. One race looked almost indistinguishable from us. Another resembled humans in height, stature, and structure, but with a very gray, pasty skin tone. The third race is now popularly known as the grays, and the fourth was described as reptilian, with vertical pupils and lizard-like skin.
2) These alien visitations had been going on for a very long time, at least 200 years, perhaps longer.
3) The extraterrestrials did not appear hostile since if that were their intent they would have already demonstrated their malevolence.
4) UFO appearances and quick disappearances as well as the flybys were demonstrations conducted on purpose to show us some of their capabilities.
5) A process or program of some sort seemed to be underway since flybys progressed to landings and eventually contact.
I wanted so badly to copy this thing. I did take a photograph of the cover sheet, which wasn't in and of itself classified. But I didn't want to wind up in Fort Leavenworth. So instead I would go to the bathroom and take notes surreptitiously, very carefully. I have been through an awful lot in my life, but I've never been able to just walk away from that report. I know that I'm taking a chance by violating my oaths. But this is the most important issue of our times -- so important that I can't think of anything more important, and the public has been deceived and completely kept in the dark about all of this for all these years. It's the biggest scientific, political scandal ever. Besides, what have I got to lose? I'm 64 years old now. Are they going to bump me off? I have told the truth. My integrity and credibility stand. When is our government going to tell the truth?"
Update:
After 27 years at military service, Bob Dean retired and began another 14-year career with the Pima County Sheriff's Department Emergency Services in Tucson, Arizona. In 1990, he gave a lecture at the University of Arizona in which he talked about UFOs. The talk garnered local media coverage. Afterward, he was denied a promotion at the Sheriff's Department, because, he alleged, he believed in UFOs. Dean filed suit and won an out-of-court settlement in March 1992. Now retired, Dean has become a member of several UFO organizations and has begun giving occasional lectures. He is working through "any and all legitimate channels" to uncover a copy of the NATO document and to gather witnesses for an open Congressional hearing on the subject of UFOs.