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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 12:08:30 GMT -6
What is a small range nuclear war? India vs Pakistan, Iran vs Israel. People on this forum are a little too FOX News and conservative talk radio for my taste. American Theocracy is not doing the world any favors and neither is a backwards national security state hevaily reliant on secrecy. A cover-up only helps the nuclear proliforation and polluting the planet's atmosphere. I can honestly say I agree with some comments you make. But if I expound on which ones you'll find a way to argue ;D .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 14:14:51 GMT -6
Wow. UFO4peace spelled "proliforation" correctly... oh no wait he didn't... lol... I should have known a man who doesn't know the difference between "Access" and "Axis" didn't know how to spell other words in his own native language... It is spelled: "Proliferation" my dear. I mean, everyone on the FOX news network is an idiot, right? Wait- I am recalling an episode of Jeopardy that was on the air awhile back... yes. There was a journalist from a major news network playing as a contestant. It was celebrity Jeopardy as I recall which is much easier than normal Jeopardy because the contestants are playing for charity. Yea... Wolf Blitzer was on Jeopardy once, and almost every clue he rang in on he answered incorrectly. He ended up finishing Double Jeopardy in the hole so Alex gave him some money so he could play Final Jeopardy... No wonder all of your facts and figures are wrong UFO4peace- you must spend most of your time watching programs like Mr. Blitzer's! I think he blames everything on conservatives and FOX news also... aha... it all makes sense now...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 14:24:54 GMT -6
There is nothing wrong with a minimum wage job..some people would be very happy to have just that. We are a spoiled country..lazy, greedy and perpetually dissatisfied instead of counting the blessings of health and having some income at all..we whine over the cost of health care when many have none and we breed like bunnies when we can't afford to feed ourselves (because we're too good for minimum wage jobs). And go figure, we're vastly educated enough to believe we're better than a minimum wage job. Be proud to be an American where half the population starves and the other half vacations at Martha's Vineyard. Only Vineyard we're likely to visit is one that grows VERY cheap wine ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 23:26:06 GMT -6
There is nothing wrong with a minimum wage job..some people would be very happy to have just that. We are a spoiled country..lazy, greedy and perpetually dissatisfied instead of counting the blessings of health and having some income at all..we whine over the cost of health care when many have none and we breed like bunnies when we can't afford to feed ourselves (because we're too good for minimum wage jobs). And go figure, we're vastly educated enough to believe we're better than a minimum wage job. Be proud to be an American where half the population starves and the other half vacations at Martha's Vineyard. Only Vineyard we're likely to visit is one that grows VERY cheap wine ;D I TOTALLY agree Jo!!! People in America who are below the so-called "poverty line" have a whole lot more than approximately 85% of people in the entire world! For example: I was homeless when I was 19 because I ran away from home for complicated reasons. I was working a low wage job at the university library as a student assistant part time. I was making about $9 an hour about 20 hours a week. I was staying at a state-funded women's shelter. I had something to eat every night- food was donated to us from the local food bank. There were 20 of us total, and half of them were children who were there with their mothers. Each of the adult women were to take turns making dinner. I stayed there for three months. Clothing was donated to us, food, the salvation army gave me free socks and things of that sort. All I had to do was ask- and people helped me. I even got a voucher for a free bus pass so I could get to work! Almost all low-income families who live in the USA have access to the following: -Public transportation -Free Birth Control (they told us about this when I was in high school...) - Free vaccinations for children - Free health screening/sliding scale health care - Free lunch program at school - Prescription assistance programs - Low income cell phone plan (I have one... $20 a year unlimited phone calls anywhere in the state... for an extra $2 a month I can text anywhere in the US for free). Most providers offer a program like this. ( I could call Nome and ask people if they were abducted by aliens even... lol... ;D) -Free Cable (in lots of states, not here I believe...) -Low income housing (three of my friends live in these places. They have electricity, television, cable, and private kitchens) - Running water - Access to a modern "Western toilet" (which is more than most people in China have access to... believe me my Uncle taught English at a university there... he was lucky that his apartment had one...) - Food Stamps - Assistance with medical bills through the state (something I have been looking into recently...) - Clothing - The kindness of strangers who have an extra dollar in their pockets All of these things are more than most people in China and other third world countries could ever dream of... Thousands of children are starving to death in Africa who are infected with malaria or AIDS who are living in deplorable filthy conditions... emaciated with worms coming out of their bodies in the most disturbing places- Here- Americans are complaining that they can't afford to buy a new car or a new plasma screen television and they expect the government to give them things which they don't really need... and they march in the streets throwing rocks through bank windows and demand that the rich people give them things which they don't really need at all... all while taking pictures and videos with their brand spanking new iphones... when they in fact have more than the majority of people in the ENTIRE WORLD! Take me for example: I am below the poverty line. I don't pay taxes- I get it all refunded every year. I have been working since I was 15 years old (with a work permit of course), either in restaurants as a dishwasher, hostess, waitress, cashier, or whatever, as a courtesy clerk, prep cook, salad bar attendant, coffee wench, drive through window attendant or whatever. I have everything I need to survive. I can even afford some luxuries which I don't really need- like internet and a computer. A bed. A new comforter I bought on clearance for $7. An electronic musical keyboard- an electric nightlight... access to laundry facilities... If my parents were to die right now- God forbid- I would be able to get a place to stay- even if it's at the rescue mission or at a friend's house or apartment until I could get my own low-income apartment. I would have access to food stamps. I would have access to running water and a modern western toilet. I would have everything I need to survive- and then some. My father is now in "End Stage Renal Failure". We were given some medicine by the home dialysis people called "Epogen" which is a hormone used exclusively for dialysis patients. It causes the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells because kidney failure tends to make people anemic for some reason I fail to understand. Anyhow- after we decided to put him back on in-center hemodialysis we had all of this medicine (which is EXTREMELY expensive mind you) and didn't need it anymore because they give it to him at the center as needed. One of dad's nurses told me to call "Doctors Without Borders" which is a group of doctors who accept donations of medicines and other supplies who then in turn give the supplies and medicines to people who live in third world countries. Well... one of the doctors actually called me back personally (doctors almost never do that) and he thanked me for thinking of them, but he said that most people in third world countries who have end stage renal disease do not survive so they have no need for Epogen. Because they die. Because they can't afford the treatment for this disease. Dad is now on Medicare even though he is only 64 BECAUSE of his condition. The government will now pay the brunt of his horrendous medical expenses... We are EXTREMELY lucky to be living in this country- even with this terrible economy. Most people in my age group (even those with college degrees) can't find a job now and have also ended up moving back in with family members. Women almost NEVER die in childbirth in America- even low-income women. Even illegal immigrants from other places who go into labor here seldom die in childbirth- and they do not have to pay the hospital for saving their lives either. How good do you think those odds are for women in African who are infected with AIDS and parasites who are malnourished and weakened from hunger? Not very good at all. And even if the mother and child both survive birth- who is to say both of them will be able to keep from starving to death? Each and every one of us is lucky to be an American. We are DARNED lucky indeed... So what if you live in a rickety shack that needs a new paint job? At least you have a roof over your head. So what if you don't have flowers planted outside your apartment building? Do you need them? So what if you can't afford to have cable? Is the latest episode of your favorite program a matter of life and death? So what if you can't afford to have a telephone? Do you actually need it? So what if you have to share a bathroom with another family? At least you don't have to poop outside behind a tree where 40 other people have been pooping... So what if your computer is broken and you can't afford a new one? Do you need to update your facebook status in order to survive? So what if you have to live off of beans, stale bread, rice and black bananas (I have done this before...)? At least you have something to eat... It could always be a lot worse... a LOT worse... Most people in the world have it a lot worse than people like me who are below the "poverty line" by American standards...
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 5, 2012 10:30:50 GMT -6
Watch Norman Finkelstein on Democracy Now!: www.democracynow.org/2012/6/4/norman_finkelstein_waning_jewish_american_supportWell over a year into the Arab Spring, the author and scholar Norman Finkelstein argues that there is a new, albeit quieter, awakening happening here in the United States that could provide a major boost to the winds of change in the Middle East. In his new book, "Knowing Too Much: Why the American Jewish Romance with Israel Is Coming to an End," Finkelstein contends that American Jewish support for the Israeli government is undergoing a major shift. After decades of staunch backing for Israel that began with the 1967 war through the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, to the repression of two Palestinian intifadas, Finkelstein says that a new generation of American Jews are no longer adopting reflexive support for the state that speaks in their name. With this shift in American Jewish opinion, Finkelstein sees a new opportunity for achieving a just Middle East peace. A good documentary:
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 5, 2012 10:38:28 GMT -6
There is nothing wrong with a minimum wage job..some people would be very happy to have just that. We are a spoiled country..lazy, greedy and perpetually dissatisfied Actually there is a growing disparity. Nothing but Billionaires and bad news along with war in the news. So you need to ask yourself who the on going cover-up really serves. Anyone with overly patriotic views or neo-con positions in UFOlogy is suspect IMO because these people are going to be in favor of the cover-up. Disclosure means are more even playing field and not American superiority.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 15:39:47 GMT -6
If you're in the position to fix it...fix it. Otherwise feeding into conspiracy theories is nothing more than a lame hobby. Do they exist..you betcha..but they always have and they always will as long as there are humans around to be sneaky and corrupt and without mass lobotomy or worlds end..I can't see that happening. Living each day with our personal best..makes so much more sense than anarchy does.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 1:36:57 GMT -6
No where in the constitution does it state we must defend Israel. Israel has to defend itself and they seem to be our #1 customer in the arms trade business. It makes you wonder who is really benefiting from conflict in the Middle East? But on the topic of Israel why should I care if they *pee* off Muslims and get obliderated? I don't wail at a wall. That's not my religion. Israel is not part of the US. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2417&page=1#ixzz1wzoVYz4lWell over a year into the Arab Spring, the author and scholar Norman Finkelstein argues that there is a new, albeit quieter, awakening happening here in the United States that could provide a major boost to the winds of change in the Middle East. In his new book, "Knowing Too Much: Why the American Jewish Romance with Israel Is Coming to an End," Finkelstein contends that American Jewish support for the Israeli government is undergoing a major shift. After decades of staunch backing for Israel that began with the 1967 war through the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, to the repression of two Palestinian intifadas, Finkelstein says that a new generation of American Jews are no longer adopting reflexive support for the state that speaks in their name. With this shift in American Jewish opinion, Finkelstein sees a new opportunity for achieving a just Middle East peace. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2417&page=2#ixzz1wzp4xzNY__________________________________________________________________________ I'm just wondering why you mentioned wailing at a wall. The facts say that jewish israel is as secular as christian america. If not more so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 17:18:03 GMT -6
Well...we've always pretty much defended Israel..America follows the money. Manyyyyyyyyyy...many very 'weighty' Americans have their roots in Israel...Industry..banking..movie production and the list gets longer and stronger. We would not offend those people so therefore..we defend Israel. Personally..I think that we need to get our tushies home and leave the middle east alone but gee..that's just me. ;D I am not a very political entity.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 6, 2012 21:26:55 GMT -6
Well...we've always pretty much defended Israel..America follows the money. Manyyyyyyyyyy...many very 'weighty' Americans have their roots in Israel...Industry..banking..movie production and the list gets longer and stronger. We would not offend those people so therefore..we defend Israel. Personally..I think that we need to get our tushies home and leave the middle east alone but gee..that's just me. ;D I am not a very political entity. Israel is not that special. All religions are just a control mechanism. A fallacy belief system. What needs to happen is ET disclosure and a new global order where nationalism is the past.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 7, 2012 0:28:15 GMT -6
[ All of these things are more than most people in China and other third world countries could ever dream of... Thousands of children are starving to death in Africa who are infected with malaria or AIDS who are living in deplorable filthy conditions... emaciated with worms coming out of their bodies in the most disturbing places- Here- Americans are complaining that they can't afford to buy a new car or a new plasma screen television and they expect the government to give them things which they don't really need... and they march in the streets throwing rocks through bank windows and demand that the rich people give them things which they don't really need at all... all while taking pictures and videos with their brand spanking new iphones... when they in fact have more than the majority of people in the ENTIRE WORLD! That's a defeatest rationale. It's like the school bully taking your lunch money and you thinking to you still have it better then people living in Haiti since you'll have supper to go home to. This what conservatives or neo-cons do. They trick people in having less so they can have more. Greed is the bottom line not people or the environment.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 7, 2012 0:32:20 GMT -6
Well...we've always pretty much defended Israel..America follows the money. Manyyyyyyyyyy...many very 'weighty' Americans have their roots in Israel...Industry..banking..movie production and the list gets longer and stronger. We would not offend those people so therefore..we defend Israel. Personally..I think that we need to get our tushies home and leave the middle east alone but gee..that's just me. ;D I am not a very political entity. If the small number of people who control much of the wealth on this planet had to make their children serve on the front lines there would be no wars.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 7:36:30 GMT -6
Israel is not that special. All religions are just a control mechanism. A fallacy belief system. What needs to happen is ET disclosure and a new global order where nationalism is the past Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2417&page=2#29280#ixzz1x72WOYA0____________________________________________________ I agree that "nationalism" should be a thing of the past. I'm trying to understand your thoughts (and others) about throwing out religion entirely. Since we are talking about Israel on this thread, my guess is that you are still somewhat equating religion with race and territory claims in the Middle East. And then there is the real culprit of greed. . . I don't know of any religion that encourages greed. I get a little concerned when TV preachers go on and on about how G_d wants us to be prosperous, because some people get so focused on themselves that they forget the rest of what has been preached. Again, that's a people thing, and people really can't be taught how to treat other people nicely. IMO, that's what makes this topic so difficult. If any one is raised in an environment where there is constant talk about what another group of people have done to ruin their lives, and there is apparent constant conflict, then anger and hatred is what is really taught. Put "religion" in that mix and you have people wondering what side a "deity" is on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 8:15:33 GMT -6
so. . . I'm trying to figure out if you, ufo4peace, are saying that "disclosure" is going to fix everything. Leave out the religion part, please, because claims have already been made that people will not change their views on their religion if E.T. shows up. Even if E.T. goes to great pains to try and establish that they created us . If you leave the religion part in, and talk disclosure, and talk about Israel, you may start hearing claims that E.T. has backed Israel in the past. If that were true, why wouldn't E.T. be continuing to help Israel? Has "Israel" gotten so "big" (including rich "nationalists" in America) that they don't need E.T.? I am interested in what you see happening for us humans if there is a "disclosure".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 17:42:28 GMT -6
I have no use for religion. I think organizations are horrible things because they always loose sight of the original objective (in this case God) and move onto little political BS. HOWEVER...some people do need the fellowship that religions offer. They need to feel their way of believing is more special than the other guys...and if that serves a purpose, then for those people ...it IS necessary..and a large part of their lives. I'd rather just know God without the frills of religious polish...pomp and circumstance. God doesn't need ritual..he wears many more hats than we could ever count..but some of us do need the ritual and structure of religious belief. And some of us do need to be told how to revere God. We can't abolish things because they don't suit some of us. I've nothing against atheists..because that is the way they need to progress in this lifetime. I'm sure the big guy doesn't mind them either because eventually..everyone is a believer. What I truly don't like..is anyone trying to tell me how I should believe or should not. Freedom number UNO...and it's the basis of most of what we fight for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 18:49:29 GMT -6
You said it; religion is an organization . I'm not here to point at the benefits (or problems) of an organization. I go thru "spurts" of what people call regular church attendance. Mainly because my dad showed me a verse in the bible that encourages the gathering of believers. We are to encourage each other. But I don't believe that I have to worship or show reverence with a certain amount of people to get G_d's attention. I believe that some people think this way, and also need to be seen at church. Which makes their "loving example" often false if they can't live it day to day. "Church" is wherever G_d is. I can be having my own little service while planting flowers or vacuuming. I love talking to Him while I'm driving ;D. People can think I'm on my phone talking to my best friend *. Prayers aren't just for bedtime or troubled times. . . G_d is aware of the problems in this world. The sun shines and rain falls on unbelievers and believers alike. There is a plan for each and every one of our lives and it's never revealed all at once ;D. Like you always say, Jo. Do what we can with today.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 7, 2012 22:11:40 GMT -6
Leave out the religion part, please, because claims have already been made that people will not change their views on their religion if E.T. shows up. Even if E.T. goes to great pains to try and establish that they created us . Moses for example could have been communicating with ET's instead of God. In fact ET intervention in the past could have been interpreted as Gods. It's like a rich kid told me the ET's are dieties. Meaning they are literally not of the supernatural but their influence on primitive human culture has been iinterpreted as angelic, Godly, the messiah etc.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 7, 2012 22:45:49 GMT -6
You said it; religion is an organization . I'm not here to point at the benefits (or problems) of an organization. I go thru "spurts" of what people call regular church attendance. Mainly because my dad showed me a verse in the bible that encourages the gathering of believers. We are to encourage each other. But I don't believe that I have to worship or show reverence with a certain amount of people to get G_d's attention. I believe that some people think this way, and also need to be seen at church. Which makes their "loving example" often false if they can't live it day to day. "Church" is wherever G_d is. I can be having my own little service while planting flowers or vacuuming. I love talking to Him while I'm driving ;D. People can think I'm on my phone talking to my best friend *. Prayers aren't just for bedtime or troubled times. . . G_d is aware of the problems in this world. The sun shines and rain falls on unbelievers and believers alike. There is a plan for each and every one of our lives and it's never revealed all at once ;D. Like you always say, Jo. Do what we can with today. Church serves a purpose in giving people solace. There's the natural tendance go and seek the comfort and support of others. But all religions are essentially cults. For example Jews and Muslims hate each other because they are actually a lot alike. People often hate other people because they see a part of themself in a person that they don't like. If a religion makes you wear funny clothing then you are part of a cult. It's warped belief and thinking based in an abstract. Israel for example doesn't really have any real significance. People give land significance and think they have to occupy it but it's the same dirt. So a lot of people will kill eachother over something that is complete nonsense. It's like being brain washed and conditioned enough to believe in a fiction story and convincing yourself to kill another person because they don't believe in the same fiction. Religions have always been a control mechanism. A way to control the masses. Thulsa Doom is an example of that in the movie Conan The Barbarian. Some debunkers claim belief in the Greys in a new religion. You have abduction support groups and a whole culture based in UFOlogy belief systems. If you look at the The Da Vinci Code for example there may be some truth in it. For example, vatican city has masonic symbology. Those in positions of power and belong to secret societies see Lucifer as a symbol of wisdom. The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden". People who like to follow and idol worship are supposed to find what those with control and power know as repulsive. For example Satan was a snake (serpent) and the forbiden fruit was an apple. What do you see today? Apple computer. The forbidden fruit was technology. Technology has allowed people to become more God like and tempt with immortality. Let's say if we can stop the aging process or genetic engineering. People report the creation of hybrids in alien abduction.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 0:06:45 GMT -6
I believe in GOD. Main man...head honcho...big enchilada..(dang now I'm hungry for mexican food) Like seems to attract like (proven fact) and everyone I know..believes in GOD. Some are church attenders..some not. When I was 7 my parents divorced and father got custody. His idea of religious training was to pick a different church in town each Sunday, drop me off and go on his merry way. When we ran out of churches he said.."you pick". What I got from this (I think I was 11 when he started the program) was that Lutheran & Episcopalian had lovely services but at Christmas..nothing beat the Catholic service and I went often with a friend of mine and her mother. Never found a lick of peace..never ran into GOD but all of those people TRYING to find him was pretty comforting in itself. The most peace I ever felt was in a small Indian chapel here in the area. There are a bunch of Indian tribes here and it seemed to me that GOD really enjoyed the simplicity of those people better than the polished silver. I made my decision over time and found that church isn't what I need or crave..GOD is. I've had many many messages from angels (maybe the nicest part of being psychic) and I've had an NDE coming back with a message that I've found repeated from other NDE experience-rs. It's all more more more than enough to validate my belief. I've no fear of dying because I know we just move forward from here to other paths. I don't ask anyone to join this philosophy or theology of mine but I'm sure willing to share it with anyone who asks. Don't care what you call HIM...nor does HE. And THAT is as glib as you'll find me on the subject unless someone rings my message box ;D I'd say UFO4peace..that GOD wouldn't mind being called an alien..because in our vernacular it just means strange or undefinable.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 8, 2012 0:36:38 GMT -6
I guess just believe in what makes you happiest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 1:02:22 GMT -6
And- once again he is redefining the word "cult". Do you really expect people to agree with your own made-up definition of this word my dear? Perhaps you are trying to form a little cult of your own where people worship you and believe your ideas without a shred of proof? You seem to have lots of ideas which are not based on fact. That sounds like a man who aspires to form a cult to me... ~nods~ Oh no wait- you already belong to a cult. The cult of, "Everything a conservative says isn't true". ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 10:54:29 GMT -6
You said it; religion is an organization . I'm not here to point at the benefits (or problems) of an organization. I go thru "spurts" of what people call regular church attendance. Mainly because my dad showed me a verse in the bible that encourages the gathering of believers. We are to encourage each other. But I don't believe that I have to worship or show reverence with a certain amount of people to get G_d's attention. I believe that some people think this way, and also need to be seen at church. Which makes their "loving example" often false if they can't live it day to day. "Church" is wherever G_d is. I can be having my own little service while planting flowers or vacuuming. I love talking to Him while I'm driving ;D. People can think I'm on my phone talking to my best friend *. Prayers aren't just for bedtime or troubled times. . . G_d is aware of the problems in this world. The sun shines and rain falls on unbelievers and believers alike. There is a plan for each and every one of our lives and it's never revealed all at once ;D. Like you always say, Jo. Do what we can with today. Church serves a purpose in giving people solace. There's the natural tendance go and seek the comfort and support of others. But all religions are essentially cults. For example Jews and Muslims hate each other because they are actually a lot alike. People often hate other people because they see a part of themself in a person that they don't like. If a religion makes you wear funny clothing then you are part of a cult. It's warped belief and thinking based in an abstract. Israel for example doesn't really have any real significance. People give land significance and think they have to occupy it but it's the same dirt. So a lot of people will kill eachother over something that is complete nonsense. It's like being brain washed and conditioned enough to believe in a fiction story and convincing yourself to kill another person because they don't believe in the same fiction. Religions have always been a control mechanism. A way to control the masses. Thulsa Doom is an example of that in the movie Conan The Barbarian. Some debunkers claim belief in the Greys in a new religion. You have abduction support groups and a whole culture based in UFOlogy belief systems. If you look at the The Da Vinci Code for example there may be some truth in it. For example, vatican city has masonic symbology. Those in positions of power and belong to secret societies see Lucifer as a symbol of wisdom. The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden". People who like to follow and idol worship are supposed to find what those with control and power know as repulsive. For example Satan was a snake (serpent) and the forbiden fruit was an apple. What do you see today? Apple computer. The forbidden fruit was technology. Technology has allowed people to become more God like and tempt with immortality. Let's say if we can stop the aging process or genetic engineering. People report the creation of hybrids in alien abduction. FIRST: hugs, Lorelei. I think the above was well written, expressing a point of view. There is a lot here that anyone doubting what ufo4peace is saying, can find written by at least 10 other people throughout the internet. And this is what people are reading today. If someone is not brought up with a religious background, or has doubts about what they have been taught even if they were, there's enough info out there to convince someone that "the old religions" were/are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 11:00:21 GMT -6
I guess just believe in what makes you happiest. yes . But if I agree, you have to understand that this is with the belief that killing people (etc.) and only thinking of ones'self DOES NOT make true happiness. I put your quote in general terms .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 11:47:01 GMT -6
I don't know if you read my replies,or even if it matters to you But, Ufo4peace, you really can't in one breath (or sentence) state that Israel has no real significance, and then in the next breath talk about Moses and possible help from aliens. I understand your argument about Israel as a land, and everyone fighting over that land. Obviously not every one can fit there . It doesn't make any sense. In your writing that I reposted above, you also refer to quite a bit of symbolism. We could also say things like Dodge uses a ram's head for its symbol, etc. Is a serpent bad? Or is the reference to its cunning? I'm encouraging you to keep reading, studying. I can't explain why I believe the way I do without encouraging you to "find your own belief". "Idols" are found everywhere and it doesn't matter if it is something of nature, or something with technology; it's still a trap. A temporary respite from what ails a person. We live in a "fallen world"; that much is clear.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 8, 2012 22:06:30 GMT -6
Human belief system often tends to be hypocrytical and a lot of this has to do with how you are conditioned.
For example, if you told someone that you believed in Alice And Wonderland they'd think you're nuts.
If you told a person that a messiah turned water into wine 2000+ years ago, performed countless miracles, rose from the dead, you'd be considered perfectly sane.
A magician pulls a rabit out of his/her hat it's obvious trickery.
It's not considered okay to kill a person. You'll go to hell, life in prison, the death penalty. If a politician creates war then it's okay to kill whomever is considered the enemy. A soldier who kills 20 or 30 people in combat is now a hero. Drone strikes are now like video games. There's a terrorist, press the trigger, now it's time for lunch, no remorse.
Let's take the Independence Day scenario in the reason we keep ET secret.
We must keep ET's secret in order to build a defense against the evil ET's. Those part of the cover-up in Ufology doing this, perhaps passing along info gathered from befriending abductees probably think of themselves as heros.
Yet an advanced race could see what's going on and if they had malice intent could easily take us out before any viable defense was developed.
So it comes down to how you are conditioned to think. Those in power practice the art of manipulation populations. That is the secret. Power is having someone go along with something that is false in order to serve you.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 8, 2012 22:33:27 GMT -6
I don't know if you read my replies,or even if it matters to you But, Ufo4peace, you really can't in one breath (or sentence) state that Israel has no real significance, and then in the next breath talk about Moses and possible help from aliens. I understand your argument about Israel as a land, and everyone fighting over that land. Obviously not every one can fit there . It doesn't make any sense. In your writing that I reposted above, you also refer to quite a bit of symbolism. We could also say things like Dodge uses a ram's head for its symbol, etc. Is a serpent bad? Or is the reference to its cunning? I'm encouraging you to keep reading, studying. I can't explain why I believe the way I do without encouraging you to "find your own belief". "Idols" are found everywhere and it doesn't matter if it is something of nature, or something with technology; it's still a trap. A temporary respite from what ails a person. We live in a "fallen world"; that much is clear. Put it this way. To culture some things have histroical importance but it's just dirt. Someone could buldoze down the pyramids of giza and build condos and it wouldn't matter. The Ancient Egyptians no longer exist. If someone told you God appeared in a UFO would you worship them and occupy the land where the UFO sighting appeared? Stories in religions are no different. It's just hear say, a story that is written and people decide to worship it. Theologins know that there is a lot that they don't know about the past and it's hard to say what really happened but religion is used as a control mechanism. It's structure for a lot of people who need a cultural idenity. Something to believe in. When you see the Pope people think that guy is important. Look how he's dressed. In reality he's just a normal person with average intelligence. You are just conditioned to follow and believe in certain things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 2:04:52 GMT -6
When you see the Pope people think that guy is important. Look how he's dressed. In reality he's just a normal person with average intelligence. You are just conditioned to follow and believe in certain things. Like- how you have been conditioned to believe that all conservative women are "Bimbos"? Like- how you have been conditioned to believe that all conservatives are liars? Just because you are an atheist or whatever the heck you are does not mean you are above the system- for you too have been conditioned to believe the things which you believe. You have been conditioned by the mainstream media because it seems every opinion you have is something those morons on the boob tube have said. You are just as bad as everyone else on this Earth. Don't try to pretend you're better than those whom you condemn. You're not.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 9, 2012 11:03:09 GMT -6
Sheesh, Lorelei. I don't think he's taking the bait. As for what u4p has been saying, I agree about organized religions using people to gain power and I agree that there is a ufo cover up going on for a variety of stupid reasons that the political leaders have been able to justify...mainly so that they can gain money and power. I disagree with a lot of other things though. U4p seems to be promoting the principles of socialism while attacking and demonizing the United States and Israel. The Jews in Israel just want to live in peace with the rest of the world...it's the rest of the world that won't allow them to. There is way too much anti-semitism on this planet and that is something that I have never understood. What is so bad about this certain group of people that causes everybody to attack them and try to wipe them off the face of the planet? There is no reason for that. People are people...they are all the same deep down inside. They all have the same wants and needs, the same hopes and dreams...no one group is better or worse than any other. It is their ideas and actions that make the difference. Some ideas are good while others are bad. The United States and Israel are very successful countries with successful economies while socialism has failed every time it has ever been tried...like it is right now with our own government trying it. Why keep promoting an idea that is a proven failure? By the way, I heard on the news that classified information was leaked that says that the US is the country responsible for the Stuxnet virus and the recent one that infiltrated Iran's computers. Don't know if that is true or not but it seems to be pointing in that direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 11:26:47 GMT -6
Sheesh, Lorelei. I don't think he's taking the bait. I don't care if he takes the bait or not. I want everyone else who comes to this forum to know the kind of person he is. I am not posting it for him. I am posting it for others. I am doing it because I enjoy it as well- also because I deeply wish to be able to say these things to the morons who preach on behalf of the mainstream media and I can't, so I am doing it here because he is a brainless *censored* who simply repeats what he hears on TV since he is intellectually incapable of coming up with his own opinions and ideas- he is also intellectually incapable of knowing how to properly use a dictionary. ~puts hands on hips~ I don't care if he's a liberal or not. Some of my best friends are liberals. UFO4peace looks down on women. Nothing angers me more than that kind of attitude. Men like that really set me off. It makes me want to put him in the kitchen, tie an apron around him and treat him like a domestic servant...
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