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Post by Steve on May 29, 2012 7:49:57 GMT -6
Russian firm: Iran victim of another cyberattack
AMY TEIBEL From Associated Press May 29, 2012 9:05 AM EDT JERUSALEM (AP) — A Russian-based internet security firm says a powerful computer virus with unprecedented data-snatching capabilities has attacked machines in Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East.
Iran has not disclosed any damage done by the new spyware virus, dubbed "Flame." Its origin has not been identified, but Israel's vice premier fueled speculation that his country, known for its technological innovation and tireless campaign against Iran's suspect nuclear program, unleashed it.
Russian digital security provider Kaspersky Lab, which identified the virus, said in a release posted on its website late Monday that "the complexity and functionality of the newly discovered malicious program exceed those of all other cyber menaces known to date."
It said preliminary findings suggest the virus has been active since March 2010, but eluded detection because of its "extreme complexity" and the fact that only selected computers are being targeted. Flame's primary purpose, it said, "appears to be cyber espionage, by stealing information from infected machines" and sending it to servers across the world.
According to Kaspersky, the virus collected information not only in Iran, but also in Israel and the Palestinian territories, Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Iran, however, was far and away the country most affected, it said.
A unit of the Iranian communications and information technology ministry said only that it has produced an antivirus capable of identifying and removing the new malware. The Flame virus is the fourth known cyber attack on Iranian computer systems.
Comments Tuesday by Israel's vice premier did little to deflect suspicion about possible Israeli involvement in the latest attack.
"Whoever sees the Iranian threat as a significant threat is likely to take various steps, including these, to hobble it," Vice Premier Moshe Yaalon told Army Radio. "Israel is blessed with high technology, and we boast tools that open all sorts of opportunities for us."
Israel, like the West, rejects Tehran's claims that its nuclear program is designed to produce energy, not bombs. It considers Iran to be the greatest threat to its survival and repeatedly, if obliquely, threatened to attack Iran's nuclear facilities if Tehran doesn't abandon its uranium enrichment project, a key element of bomb making.
Because Flame is so complex, was not designed to hack into bank accounts and doesn't have the hallmarks of amateur hackers, Kaspersky has concluded that the research that went into the code was government-sponsored.
The code offers no information that can tie Flame to any specific country, Kaspersky said in its release, but a company agent in Israel said "you could more or less put your finger on any Western nation."
There is no indication of what kind of material it stole, but "we know that the computers that were infected were computers with very sensitive information" because the virus can be modified to mine whatever information is sought, added Ilan Froimovici, technical director at Power Communications, Kaspersky's representative in Israel.
Evidence suggests the same programmers were behind both Flame and Stuxnet, a virus that disrupted controls of some nuclear centrifuges in Iran in 2010, Froimovici said. The centrifuges are devices used in enriching uranium.
The two codes "use the same vulnerabilities in the operating system and the computer infrastructure in order to infect the computer system. We do believe that the same programmers built the two codes," he said.
Udi Mokady, CEO of Cyber-Ark, an Israeli developer of information security, said he thought four countries, in no particular order, have the technological know-how to develop so sophisticated a cyber offensive: Israel, the U.S., China and Russia.
"It was 20 times more sophisticated than Stuxnet," with thousands of lines of code that took a large team, ample funding and months, if not years, to develop, he said.
"It's a live program that communicates back to its master. It asks, where should I go? What should I do now? It's really almost like a science fiction movie."
Iran claims Stuxnet and other computer viruses have done no serious harm to Iran's nuclear or industrial facilities, and sees them as part of a campaign by Israel, the U.S. and their allies, which includes the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, to undermine the Iranian nuclear program.
Kaspersky said the cyber espionage worm came to its attention after the United Nations' International Telecommunication Union asked it for help in finding a piece of malware that was deleting sensitive information across the Middle East. The company stumbled across Flame when searching for that other code, it said.
The discovery of the Flame virus comes just days after talks between Iran and six world powers in Baghdad failed to persuade Tehran to freeze enrichment. A new round of nuclear talks is expected to take place in Moscow next month.
Yaalon, the Israeli vice premier, told Army Radio on Tuesday that the talks in Iraq "yielded no significant achievement" except to let Iran buy time. He appeared to take a swipe at President Barack Obama by saying it might "even be in the interest of some players in the West to play for time."
Yaalon in the past expressed disappointment that the U.S. has delayed plans to expand sanctions against Iran, suggesting Washington was afraid the penalties would send oil prices soaring and hurt Obama's re-election chances.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 12:48:57 GMT -6
hehehehehe... ;D
Take THAT Iran!!
I'm willing to bet Israel did it, and in order to keep people from pointing the finger at them they sent it to their own computers too... lol...
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 16:58:33 GMT -6
hehehehehe... ;D Take THAT Iran!! I'm willing to bet Israel did it, and in order to keep people from pointing the finger at them they sent it to their own computers too... lol... An Iranian stabbed me in the neck and cut my throat between my larynx and carotid artery,,,and I couldn't thank him more ! He is my neurosurgeon, and one heck of a good guy that I truly can trust ! ;D This guy has a heart of gold and is an excellent person. Though my neck operation wasn't successful and needs to be done again,,, he did his best . This cyberattack doesn't surprise me. Israel attacked Syria's nuke plant back in 2006, and Iraq's nuke plant years ago, ,,,cyberattacks should be the least of Iran's worry. I wouldn't blame Israel a bit if they do attack Iran after the threats they imposed against them. That's one thing they should've known better to do then to verbally threaten Israel,, very bad mistake !! They fight like warriors,,, no holes barred. Once Netanyahu gives the order,,, its done no matter who opposes . If they do attack Irans' nuke plants,, I hope they wait until our troops completely evacuate Afghanistan first because of the fallout issue this will most likely create. I feel for the Iranian citizens who will be killed or misplaced by this,,, its horrible thinking about it. There are some Iranians that I dont care if they are involved downwind or bullseyed however,,, but there are some that are caught up in a regime where they do not have a choice. I have also had friends who were Iranians,,, and Ive known others that arent worth the 2 ounces of gun powder it would take to put them out.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 17:26:08 GMT -6
As for the recent car bombing attacks on Iranian nuclear scientists,,,, hmmmm,,, I wonder who did that ?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 19:03:23 GMT -6
Touched, when I read the first sentence of your first post on this thread I was like lol... I'm sorry the surgery wasn't a success though, I hope it goes better next time... ~hugz~ Yea... the Israelis don't put up with too much BS. Remember the holocaust? Yea. They are totally NOT going to let that happen again and I don't blame them one tiny bit!! Netanyahu is one impressive guy, I love to listen to him speak even when he's speaking his native language. His body language, posture and tone of voice are almost hypnotic- the man is a true leader! Every time I see him standing next to another world leader whose name I will not mention here it makes me roll my eyes because it is obvious that the other is truly an idiot by comparison... but I'm sure almost anyone else on the face of this Earth would look like a buffoon next to that impressive man... wow...
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 21:39:16 GMT -6
If they do attack Irans' nuke plants,, I hope they wait until our troops completely evacuate Afghanistan first because of the fallout issue this will most likely create. I feel for the Iranian citizens who will be killed or misplaced by this,,, its horrible thinking about it Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2417&page=1#29016#ixzz1wPlQ42Pi____________________________________________________ Rest assured all of this is taken into consideration before attack. I believe that the nuclear plant was known about for quite some time before the American public knew. Why wasn't anything done before we knew? It could have been destroyed and 'they' could have told us just about anything about a bombed target.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 22:40:39 GMT -6
____________________________________________________ Rest assured all of this is taken into consideration before attack. I believe that the nuclear plant was known about for quite some time before the American public knew. Why wasn't anything done before we knew? It could have been destroyed and 'they' could have told us just about anything about a bombed target. I believe the answer to that is most likely the Soviet Union and China being in alliance with Iran. Imo, it should've been taken out long ago. Without help from the U.S., they'll have a problem taking out these underground sites unless they use our bunker busters, I would guess anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 6:42:49 GMT -6
Your answer makes sense to me, touched . Sounds like we agree that the situation is rather delicate, from the beginning. It all leads, IMO, to careful consideration of human lives involved. Even on the "enemies" part. Let's say everyone is reluctant to have a ww3, and when the nuclear plant was in progress, this is kept in mind. I may as well be asking why it was built in the first place. But that brings me back to Steve's original post . Personally, I think the technological efforts to possibly disable war machines is hoannable. It seems we ("we" used loosely) have learned something from the ufo phenomenon after all. (In the back of my mind, though, I still think of our growing dependence on computer systems, for records in healthcare, etc., here in the us. I'm hoping that this article is entirely truthful on how "smart" a computer virus can be made.)
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Post by ufo4peace on May 31, 2012 21:12:30 GMT -6
I think Iran wants to develope nukes for their own protection. Of course, muslim countries in that region are not very fond of Israel but attacking Israel would be suicide.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 22:20:22 GMT -6
They all want to develop nukes for their own protection..including North Korea..I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about that though
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 7:00:59 GMT -6
I think Iran wants to develope nukes for their own protection. Of course, muslim countries in that region are not very fond of Israel but attacking Israel would be suicide. "Not very fond of Israel"? That's the understatement of the century! The current Iranian leader has been quoted as saying he wants to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" and "kill all the Jews".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 7:03:09 GMT -6
They all want to develop nukes for their own protection..including North Korea..I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about that though I disagree. They don't want it for their own protection. They want it so they can annihilate their enemies. They want it so they can demand things they want by threatening to nuke people who don't give in to their threats. They want it for power.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 7:24:06 GMT -6
They want money and food from us and in turn they burn our flag while chanting " death to America" and "death to Israel".
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 1, 2012 20:45:51 GMT -6
I think Iran wants to develope nukes for their own protection. Of course, muslim countries in that region are not very fond of Israel but attacking Israel would be suicide. "Not very fond of Israel"? That's the understatement of the century! The current Iranian leader has been quoted as saying he wants to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" and "kill all the Jews". That's just neo-conservatibe rehtoric. Iran will say a lot of tough talk but actually using nukes against is another matter.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 1, 2012 20:54:18 GMT -6
They want money and food from us and in turn they burn our flag while chanting " death to America" and "death to Israel". It's because we are perceived as both bullies of the world and the pigs of the world. Just because a pig that like putting puppet leaders in charge exploiting lesser powers gives you food doesn't make them the good guys. Here's an idea. Get the F out of the Middle East and get the F off of foreign oil. Take all your weapons with you. But that would mean a lot of greedy f'ers are not getting rich. ;D
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2012 21:16:50 GMT -6
All countries are perceived as both good and bad depending on who is doing the perceiving. The US used to think of the Soviet Union as the focus of evil in the world while the Soviets thought of the Americans the same way. Both countries had their fingers on the nuclear triggers for several decades yet nobody ever launched any missiles so obviously neither country was as bad as the other thought.
Perhaps the situation with Iran is the same way. We may be worried about them while at the same time they may be just as worried about us. Maybe we both have a right to be worried, or maybe one or both sides are just overreacting. Maybe Iran really does just want to build a nuclear plant to produce energy. Or maybe not. Nobody really knows for sure but apparently whoever unleashed that virus is not willing to take the chance.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 1, 2012 21:35:11 GMT -6
They all want to develop nukes for their own protection..including North Korea..I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about that though I disagree. They don't want it for their own protection. They want it so they can annihilate their enemies. They want it so they can demand things they want by threatening to nuke people who don't give in to their threats. They want it for power. Imagine if Gaddafi had nukes. There wouldn't have been an air assualt which was really about resources. That's why our so called enemies want nukes. It's a deterrent by being invaded or attacked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 22:01:37 GMT -6
"Not very fond of Israel"? That's the understatement of the century! The current Iranian leader has been quoted as saying he wants to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" and "kill all the Jews". That's just neo-conservatibe rehtoric. Iran will say a lot of tough talk but actually using nukes against is another matter. Yea, you're right. Hate speech should be tolerated and not taken too seriously. Hmm... so you are a sexist and you are also in favor of Anti-Semitic hate speech huh? One more reason for me to dislike you.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 1, 2012 22:53:10 GMT -6
That's just neo-conservatibe rehtoric. Iran will say a lot of tough talk but actually using nukes against is another matter. Yea, you're right. Hate speech should be tolerated and not taken too seriously. Hmm... so you are a sexist and you are also in favor of Anti-Semitic hate speech huh? One more reason for me to dislike you. leia77, you live in Sarah Palin land. It's non stop conservative rhetoric justifying this or that conflict or war and trumping up evil enemies. Pitting one religion against another. My advice is to move away from a rural environment. Neo cons are backwards people. The thuth is we really are our own worst enemies. It's not Iran's fault that the US national deficit is through the roof. Nor is it Iran's fault that we have out of control defense spending and a corrupt wall street/fincancial instituations. No where in the constitution does it state we must defend Israel. Israel has to defend itself and they seem to be our #1 customer in the arms trade business. It makes you wonder who is really benefiting from conflict in the Middle East? But on the topic of Israel why should I care if they *pee* off Muslims and get obliderated? I don't wail at a wall. That's not my religion. Israel is not part of the US.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2012 22:55:34 GMT -6
Nuclear weapons always have been a deterrant. That's why we have so many of them...to stop other countries from using them against us. Other countries have nukes to stop us from attacking them. For the most part it works. Look at all of the BS we put up with from China just because of the nukes that they have. China's leader once threatened to drop a bomb on Las Angeles but he didn't do it because to do so would be suicide...maybe not for the political leaders personally but certainly for their political regimes. You can't rule a country that has been blown off of the map.
It is kind of silly that the United States doesn't want other countries to have nuclear weapons while we have thousands of them. We invented them, we have used them, and now we don't want other countries to do what we have done? That is kind of hypocritical on our part. It is perfectly understandable that other political leaders would want to have that kind of bargaining power.
Unfortunately, the more countries that have nuclear weapons the more chance their is that somebody will use them. It is going to happen someday. It's inevitable. The technology exists and over time more and more countries are going to develop it. It won't be long before some power mad wacko decides he wants to literally go out with a bang and take as much of the rest of the world with him as he can. Whether it is hypocritical or not, that is what we are trying to stop from happening. I doubt that it will happen any time soon but there is always that possibility.
The biggest concern that people (like Israel) have with Iran is not that they will launch nuclear missiles...because that would be suicide...but that they will give a nuclear bomb to some terrorist group that will sneak it into Tel Aviv or wherever and set it off, while Iran's leaders claim they had nothing to do with it. It would be hard to retaliate against a country...especially where millions of innocent civilians would be killed...when the leaders of the country have covered up any trace of their involvement with the attack. That is what Israel is trying to stop from happening. They don't trust Iran and I really don't blame them after all the times Iran and the surrounding countries have attacked them in the past. The Israelies are not just going to sit by and wait to be blown to pieces. They bombed the power plant in Iraq when it was first being built. I'm sure they will do whatever they have to in order to stop Iran from building theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 22:59:02 GMT -6
And somewhere in the world..people might get together and talk about the greedy, interfering, capitalist Americans who pretend good will when all they're after is oil. We always want what someone else has.. We have no business even thinking of establishing anything with some alien civilization when we cannot get along with our own neighbors. Nope they don't think like we capitalist dogs...in fact...some of them eat their dogs..they don't keep pets (mostly they couldn't afford to) and under harsh conditions...(try living in a third world country) you grow up with a whole new set of values.. We have no right to judge. There has been war in the middle east for generations..that will shape a person with an incredible edge compared to the lifestyle we enjoy. The mind set of children raised on war..is a whole lot angrier and aggressive than our children who are well....obese and more equipped to hunting twinkies. You and I can agree on at least one thing UFO4peace..we need to get the flock out of the middle east. We need to find solutions around the necessity of oil..and take care of our own needy for a change. We just keep sticking our noses where they have no business being.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 1, 2012 23:16:15 GMT -6
Nuclear weapons always have been a deterrant. That's why we have so many of them...to stop other countries from using them against us. Other countries have nukes to stop us from attacking them. For the most part it works. Look at all of the BS we put up with from China just because of the nukes that they have. China's leader once threatened to drop a bomb on Las Angeles but he didn't do it because to do so would be suicide...maybe not for the political leaders personally but certainly for their political regimes. You can't rule a country that has been blown off of the map. It is kind of silly that the United States doesn't want other countries to have nuclear weapons while we have thousands of them. We invented them, we have used them, and now we don't want other countries to do what we have done? That is kind of hypocritical on our part. It is perfectly understandable that other political leaders would want to have that kind of bargaining power. Unfortunately, the more countries that have nuclear weapons the more chance their is that somebody will use them. It is going to happen someday. It's inevitable. The technology exists and over time more and more countries are going to develop it. It won't be long before some power mad wacko decides he wants to literally go out with a bang and take as much of the rest of the world with him as he can. Whether it is hypocritical or not, that is what we are trying to stop from happening. I doubt that it will happen any time soon but there is always that possibility. The biggest concern that people (like Israel) have with Iran is not that they will launch nuclear missiles...because that would be suicide...but that they will give a nuclear bomb to some terrorist group that will sneak it into Tel Aviv or wherever and set it off, while Iran's leaders claim they had nothing to do with it. It would be hard to retaliate against a country...especially where millions of innocent civilians would be killed...when the leaders of the country have covered up any trace of their involvement with the attack. That is what Israel is trying to stop from happening. They don't trust Iran and I really don't blame them after all the times Iran and the surrounding countries have attacked them in the past. The Israelies are not just going to sit by and wait to be blown to pieces. They bombed the power plant in Iraq when it was first being built. I'm sure they will do whatever they have to in order to stop Iran from building theirs. If ET Disclosure happened a long time ago would we be talking about Nukes or even oil? If anything the cover-up by a national security state government that's meant to protect us has made the entire world worse off and more volatile. Man would already have it sights on space. Not scurmishes over commodites that pollute the environement and WMD's that are a product of the 20th Century. It's too bad America and it's loyal patrioyic obediant dogs/ flag waivers haven't tried to lead by example. Instead of having a government dictated by sheer greed exploiting lesser powers. Using fear mongering, using scare tacticts for conflict.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 1, 2012 23:24:35 GMT -6
And somewhere in the world..people might get together and talk about the greedy, interfering, capitalist Americans who pretend good will when all they're after is oil. On PBS there was a program recently where they took ice sheet samples in antarctica. It showed that the warming of the planet coincided with the buring of fossil fuel. Who's creating more harm to this planet? Think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 23:29:13 GMT -6
Your brilliance never ceases to amaze me UFO4peace. Fact number 1: Yes, Israel is not a part of the United States. Any idiot with a high school diploma should know that. Good for you for understanding this significant fact. I understand that a lot of facts elude you and that saddens me for it makes me pity you and your igannant view of the world. Fact number 2: Israel is our Ally. Evidently you fail to understand the definition of this word. I think perhaps you should consult the dictionary again since you also do not understand the definition of the word "Cult". Look up "Ally" too while you're at it... oh no wait I forgot- you don't like to look things up in the dictionary, do you? Fact number 3: The United States is no longer an Isolationistic nation. The USA is currently a major world power. Because of this the USA needs allies. Please refer back to fact number two so you can understand how to look up the meaning of the word "Ally". Thank you for calling me "backwards" simply because I live in Alaska. Right now, Alaska's economy is booming unlike most of the other states in this union. You know why? Probably because we're too stupid to do things the way you other Americans do them... and look how well you guys south of Canada are doing...economically speaking of course ;D I guess we're just a whole lot better at managing our economy than all of the other states. Maybe we are not so backwards after all? I love how you make statements calling other people "backwards" when you have absolutely no idea how to master basic spelling and grammatical errors of your own native language. If anyone is "backwards" in this world UFO, it is you personally along with your views of women.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 2, 2012 1:45:07 GMT -6
Right now, Alaska's economy is booming unlike most of the other states in this union. You know why? You mean big oil companies and people making minimum wage at a Wal-Mart.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 3:33:10 GMT -6
Right now, Alaska's economy is booming unlike most of the other states in this union. You know why? You mean big oil companies and people making minimum wage at a Wal-Mart. Wrong again my dear. Wal-Mart starts their cashiers out at $16 an hour here in my neck of the woods. Three of my friends work there and they get full benefits including health insurance. Big oil companies (which are run by Alaska Native corporations... you know like the Native people in the lower 48 who own casinos... up here they own oil companies like the Arctic Slope Regional Corporation), the fishing industry, and tourism are where we make most of our money. Believe it or not, we also grow a lot of potatoes here and there is a lot of logging done in the southeastern part of the state. And then there is the Fort Knox Gold mine... and copper mines... and coal mines... and a uranium mine... Our economy is not exclusively reliant on oil my uninformed sexist friend. Most of the money made by the big oil companies up here gets given to the Natives. Before you go ranting and raving about something you do not understand you should try to do some research first before you go around making false statements... oh wait. I forgot who I am addressing here... a man with a serious aversion to a dictionary... lol...
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 2, 2012 3:36:37 GMT -6
You and I can agree on at least one thing UFO4peace..we need to get the flock out of the middle east. We need to find solutions around the necessity of oil..and take care of our own needy for a change. We just keep sticking our noses where they have no business being. Well if there is a small range nuclear war I'm more concerned about the dust blocking out the sun.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 2, 2012 3:50:21 GMT -6
You mean big oil companies and people making minimum wage at a Wal-Mart. Wrong again my dear. Wal-Mart starts their cashiers out at $16 an hour here in my neck of the woods. Three of my friends work there and they get full benefits including health insurance. Big oil companies (which are run by Alaska Native corporations... you know like the Native people in the lower 48 who own casinos... up here they own oil companies like the Arctic Slope Regional Corporation), the fishing industry, and tourism are where we make most of our money. Believe it or not, we also grow a lot of potatoes here and there is a lot of logging done in the southeastern part of the state. And then there is the Fort Knox Gold mine... and copper mines... and coal mines... and a uranium mine... Our economy is not exclusively reliant on oil my uninformed sexist friend. Most of the money made by the big oil companies up here gets given to the Natives. Before you go ranting and raving about something you do not understand you should try to do some research first before you go around making false statements... oh wait. I forgot who I am addressing here... a man with a serious aversion to a dictionary... lol... You may also like North Dakota.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 8:57:27 GMT -6
You and I can agree on at least one thing UFO4peace..we need to get the flock out of the middle east. We need to find solutions around the necessity of oil..and take care of our own needy for a change. We just keep sticking our noses where they have no business being. Well if there is a small range nuclear war I'm more concerned about the dust blocking out the sun. What is a small range nuclear war?
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 2, 2012 22:08:43 GMT -6
Well if there is a small range nuclear war I'm more concerned about the dust blocking out the sun. What is a small range nuclear war? India vs Pakistan, Iran vs Israel. People on this forum are a little too FOX News and conservative talk radio for my taste. American Theocracy is not doing the world any favors and neither is a backwards national security state hevaily reliant on secrecy. A cover-up only helps the nuclear proliforation and polluting the planet's atmosphere.
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