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Post by auntym on Mar 7, 2013 13:32:18 GMT -6
Jacques Vallee, Terrence McKenna, John Mack, Budd Hopkins on the Alien, UFO, Abd
Darrell RoseDarrell Rose Published on Sep 29, 2012
A varied discussion with Dr. Jacques Vallee, Psychonaut Philospher Terrence McKenna, Dr. John Mack, Researcher Budd Hopkins on the Alien, UFO, Abduction phenomenon
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Post by lois on Mar 7, 2013 14:14:03 GMT -6
auntym.. Thank you again. This sort of wraps it up all in one video. I have many many with these investigators. . which is told in parts. This video seems to cover every aspect of the Alien abduction topic. What people agree with and don't agree with is there opinion . Mack states Spiritual. In the beginning of my experiences I lean to this way of thinking. Now I'm not so sure. It is hard to draw conclusions as many say their contact was a beautiful experience. Others tell a completely different story. If one has never been contacted which would they believe if watching this video? I believe there is a middle to this where both beliefs can be accepted. That is where I stand today. This forum has help me to this conclusion but yet we know no more than we did in the beginning. . I know ufos are real, no changing that ever..
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Post by paulette on Mar 8, 2013 10:25:20 GMT -6
I really really appreciated this posting auntym! I haven't thought about my past experiences much in the last year. This forum seemed to "settle" me in terms of allowing myself to ask questions, get as much past memories as I could, put together what I had, and lastly and most importantly, to allow that all of what I had was true for me but that "truth" changes with the addition of new information or even the perspective of time.
I think one thing I resonated the most is that of the discussion about the "love" or bliss that persons who have been in the presence of the Visitors or IntraDimensional Beings or whatever express - that it can change from freedom from pain and reassurance to dread and horror and back again. In my dreams (and in my major experience) I both wanted them to come, yearned for them to come and also have an adversion and realization that if once they come "for" me - with me ultimately making myself available by going outside - that sudden refusing to meet with them is NOT AN OPTION. Maybe for some people the ship comes, hovers over their car or in their back yard and doesn't bother anyone because there is no invitation to meddle. But I don't think so.
When I watched "V" - the TV series about a reptilian race that appeared beautiful and who dispensed bliss to humans to disarm them - that felt congruent with my inner beliefs or memories of my experience. And yet, for me, there is the yearning that they have chosen me in the past because I was more open psychically or available as a lonely wandering child who might welcome attention from any source or even that I had succeeded in some test and won their conditional admiration perhaps (I just can't type love in this context). These two feelings - wanting and seeking approval or bliss and trying to avoid it are familar in an earth context of the abused child wanting life perserving attention even if its mixed in with cruelty. I am not unaware that I could excuse away my experiences as some psychological construct of my own history. And yet. AND YET. There is small fierce voice in me that says, "NO! Don't disregard or explain this away! This really happened to you! And because I think that we avoid that inner voice of conviction at the expense of living in a numb conforming state I have to say....this happened to me. Over and over. I don't know what it means or what the actual contact was but...I refuse to recant something as important as this was and is.
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Post by CitizenK on Mar 8, 2013 12:32:20 GMT -6
Well said Paulette, you articulate exactly how I feel as well . Just goes to show how difficult, multi layered and complex this matter is not only for people who study it but for the people who live it every day. I watched this last night too. I found myself remembering things again. Some of it obviously uncomfortable to think about and I'd find myself flinching or tightening up and then wanting to move ahead and skip that part. (to not think about it any further) Also I got rather aggravated with Budd for not understanding Mack's reason for saying it's a spiritual awareness on our part. (not that the beings are spiritual)
I wonder, has anyone ever really put together a compilation of all the abduction accounts to see if there IS a theme to the "message" or point of contact??? I don't think I've ever seen anything other than Doreen whats her names take on it which seems rather biased like she has created a cult of it or something.( probably to sell more books) Maybe I should do that. I think we have many questions that may never be discovered but at least we can gain a new perspective through some compilation to possibly understand this whole phenomenon with a new set of eyes instead of running around in circles as we seem to all do right now. Like I've said before, I now know so much about this topic that I probably know as much as the investigators do on this subject. (same for many if not all of you). It's time to look at this with fresh eyes.
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Post by auntym on Mar 8, 2013 14:09:39 GMT -6
i'm glad you all enjoyed it... i thought it was interesting too...
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Post by paulette on Mar 8, 2013 23:19:24 GMT -6
CitizenK - might you start your research by putting together a questionnaire that we here could (If we chose) answer. This could include: feelings, information that one felt was transferred (if any), changes in world view (if any) etc etc. ?
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Post by CitizenK on Mar 9, 2013 1:37:14 GMT -6
Yes, I could do that. Wouldn't want to make anyone here feel obligated to participate by doing it here. But I'd also like to track down Mufon's findings among others I know should have some sort of file deducing the common denominators in their field of study. I know that when I participated in Mufon's field study I was asked a series of questions similar to this...and in that final report they found that this is a common thing among experiencer's. (The feelings , spiritual perspectives changing, and planetary consciousness, etc. So I will work on a questionnaire that will assist in this process. Again, no one is obligated just because you know me or I put it here to participate. Thanks Paulette.
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2013 22:28:04 GMT -6
I find myself playing this over and over from time to time. Listen to the last witness in this video. He states aliens are interested in how we have spiritual grow though out our life. I believe this to be true. I always say the two of them will come together some way sooner or later. I have no memory of being told this. It is something I have always believed. The video is quite long but the ending of the tape is why I'm posting it..
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2013 22:35:54 GMT -6
I find myself playing this over and over from time to time. Listen to the last witness in this video. He states aliens are interested in how we have spiritual grow though out our life. I believe this to be true. I always say the two of them will come together some way sooner or later. I have no memory of being told this. It is something I have always believed. The video is quite long but the ending of the tape is why I'm posting it.. but all speculation..... David Jacobs .. Budd Hopkins and others.
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2013 22:49:39 GMT -6
I filled out the form they mention above in video.. on the intruders site. I do not remember too many of these questions. The were mostly ones that are always asked by investigators. I do not remember Budd's trick question. ;D
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 21, 2013 23:38:04 GMT -6
Listen to your intuition Lois. It is telling you something important.
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