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Post by sunbow on Apr 13, 2013 8:51:50 GMT -6
Are encounter people animal lovers?
I have always been a pet person and we now live on a hobby farm. Life without animals seems empty of an essential relationship that makes us fully human.
As a child we had a pet dog (two, but one at a time). I had four younger brothers. I was always the person that the dog bonded with the most, though my brothers all appreciated and interacted with our dog. We also had a parakeet which would ride on my shoulder.
One of our neighbors took down a tree with a bluejay nest and I raised one of them. It returned to our yard to nest several times. Even years later if I climbed a tree, it would come sit with me, about a yard away.
Is this another aspect of who we are? Were we like this from early in life? Do we share this in common?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 11:22:23 GMT -6
You share this in common with me sunbow.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 13, 2013 20:29:42 GMT -6
I wouldn't say I am an animal lover since I don't have any pets and really don't have any desire to but animals seem to trust me more than a lot of other people. Little kids and babies do too. Don't know why.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 14, 2013 4:49:16 GMT -6
I can definitely throw my hat into this ring. I have always been closer to non-human animals than human beings. For me, I wasn't even able to cope with human beings until I literally learned how to by spending time with a group of gorillas over 13 years. That experience transformed my life and my work. I think I mentioned elsewhere that I left the West Coast, where I had been based as a professor and lecturer (all my work was about sensitivity, animals, and animal culture) and came home to Southern Illinois to start an animal sanctuary that is also a sustainable organic farm. Other posts have mentioned that experiencers many times end up feeling like they have a strong mission having to do with nature and its creatures. I sure feel that way!
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Post by skywalker on Apr 14, 2013 8:14:12 GMT -6
I'm finding that as time goes on I become more concerned with preservation and helping protect the environment. I don't know if it is because of my experiences or just hanging around some of the people here.
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Post by sunbow on Apr 14, 2013 10:05:27 GMT -6
Yes, we are in an intimate relationship with the biosphere of the planet and it is hurting: perhaps that is why humanity is also hurting so much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 12:52:19 GMT -6
I can definitely throw my hat into this ring. I have always been closer to non-human animals than human beings. For me, I wasn't even able to cope with human beings until I literally learned how to by spending time with a group of gorillas over 13 years. That experience transformed my life and my work. I think I mentioned elsewhere that I left the West Coast, where I had been based as a professor and lecturer (all my work was about sensitivity, animals, and animal culture) and came home to Southern Illinois to start an animal sanctuary that is also a sustainable organic farm. Other posts have mentioned that experiencers many times end up feeling like they have a strong mission having to do with nature and its creatures. I sure feel that way! You're the lady who was working with Steve, aren't you? I believe he mentioned you once or twice on here a year or so ago...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 14:18:50 GMT -6
I think that it goes without saying, but yes I think encounter people are animal lovers. There has been a few occasions in my life where an animal that has been abused by males (humans, of course) will come to me and lay in my lap, without prompting and be comfortable. The only other greater peace in my life besides this is gazing at a star filled night.
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Post by lois on Apr 14, 2013 19:51:21 GMT -6
I don't have a animal but have in the past. I do have my birds at my feeders and a few squirrels .. I love Bunnies too until they get into the garden.. ;D Yes I'm a animal lover also..
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 14, 2013 22:22:59 GMT -6
Yes, I am an animal lover and "whisperer" as well They trust me and know I am not going to hurt them. I enjoy being in nature more than going to a mall or movie any day! Even the neighbor's animals like it here better than their homes. My kids are the same way. We have chickens, plus all of the wonderful squirrels, rabbits, birds, turkeys, deer, skunks, raccoons, etc. like to visit too. We have skunks that will walk around us in broad daylight just to "be here". And I do think there is a connection between abductees and the environment in general. This is a question that was posed many ways on the questionnaire from MUFON for the abduction research project that I participated in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 23:01:26 GMT -6
Yes, I love animals and it seems they feel mutual. I'm glad you brought this up Sunbow ! Our 3 dogs are just like kids and they are intelligent ( and very spoiled ;D). One of them stays close to me like my shadow. Another one loves to play stick and swing in circles spinning around me with the stick in it's mouth. We also have two cats. One of them will round the dogs in and chase them into the house if they don't come when I call them. ;D There have been many times I've said to it " cheeky, get the dogs" and she takes off after them and the dogs tuck tale and run around the yard a few times while she's slapping at their tales until they run in. It's hilarious ! ;D ;D ;D I just recently lost one cat that I had for many years to feline leukemia. Out of all the cats I've owned, she was one of two that were like best friends and even family. It seems that most animals I'm around will instantly take to me and there is a mutual sense of trust and respect between me and them. It has blown some dog and cat owners away who have animals that normally don't take kindly to strangers. We also have a pet parakeet named "Tootles" who likes to dance and act silly while I'm singing the song "Bird is the Word". ;D He likes sitting on my shoulder and groom my face by gently pecking at my mustache. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 10:14:18 GMT -6
'sigh' ..I have seven cats..two dogs..two horses (one is 37 years old)..eels that are 6 years old and a snake. My children have the same affinity with critters that I do..but it's kind of a directional thing. I can 'feel' moods and emotions of bigger animals (horses, dogs, deer)..I can soothe and fix their pains..my daughter is small animals. She runs into and finds broken birds..bunnies and other wild things..heals them and sends them on their way..my son is reptiles..he has 9 ft boas that just love him to pieces..I have never seen a snake show affection but his do. I rode horses for my father who raised them..showed them. After I married I trained and showed horses as a business..for many years..sidelining as a phone psychic..I do much better with animals than I do with people. They're happy around me and I'm happy around them. I was out riding the day I was abducted ..in fact.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 15, 2013 10:18:51 GMT -6
Yes, I love animals and it seems they feel mutual. I'm glad you brought this up Sunbow ! Our 3 dogs are just like kids and they are intelligent ( and very spoiled ;D). One of them stays close to me like my shadow. Another one loves to play stick and swing in circles spinning around me with the stick in it's mouth. We also have two cats. One of them will round the dogs in and chase them into the house if they don't come when I call them. ;D There have been many times I've said to it " cheeky, get the dogs" and she takes off after them and the dogs tuck tale and run around the yard a few times while she's slapping at their tales until they run in. It's hilarious ! ;D ;D ;D I just recently lost one cat that I had for many years to feline leukemia. Out of all the cats I've owned, she was one of two that were like best friends and even family. It seems that most animals I'm around will instantly take to me and there is a mutual sense of trust and respect between me and them. It has blown some dog and cat owners away who have animals that normally don't take kindly to strangers. We also have a pet parakeet named "Tootles" who likes to dance and act silly while I'm singing the song "Bird is the Word". ;D He likes sitting on my shoulder and groom my face by gently pecking at my mustache. ;D I'm so sorry for your loss.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 15, 2013 10:32:23 GMT -6
I really do think there is a connection. It seems like a lot of people here go beyond what most people think of as "animal lovers" and are communicators. I talk with snakes -- we have lots here (and I don't really care if they are poisonaous or not). One day a water mocassin came to see what I was doing when I was working on the fence. I said, "This isn't really a good time, since my pig is right here and she could hurt you, and the dogs are over the other direction -- maybe you should go that way.." and I "pointed" with my mind and off it slithered in that direction. Other snakes will come when I'm sitting in the yard and slither right over my feet. I worked with gorillas for 13 years and the BBC was here a few weeks ago interviewing me for a story and we went up to the St. Louis Zoo to see the gorillas there (I don't like zoos, but I felt this interview could do some good). I told the interviewer not to expect anything, since I didn't know these gorillas. Well, in a matter of minutes I had the great honor of the silverback coming up and sitting face to face with me, then tapped the glass for me to put my hand there, so I did and he raised one finger and I did the same. It was amazing.
I had some women stop into the sanctuary to see the animals the other day and we were talking about all the animals' stories and bad things that happened to them. She said, "How do people do it?" And I said, "Well, we all are blind to suffering sometimes. Like we eat meat from factory farms where the animals go through much worse than the animals here. We just don't register the suffering." She had never thought about it that way.
I know a lot of people here describe having "end of the world" visions in relation to their alien experiences -- for me the visions are what animals go through (not that I don't care deeply about people) and what we are all going to go through. Thoughts of animal cruelty and the destruction of nature have kept me awake nights since I was 5 years old. Sometimes I feel suicidal or helpless about it. :-(
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 17:31:48 GMT -6
Things will end when they do..it's not a big thing as long as you know things continue..just like turning a page.
I was amused by your snake stories..and it makes me understand more why my son's seem to love him. These boa constrictors are enourmous and he's had them for years..never once have they ever been hostile to anyone in the family..just big gentle giants. I've always been used to that in other animals.
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Post by sunbow on Apr 15, 2013 19:57:37 GMT -6
When I was a child and we moved from the city to a suburb that was newly built, I sensed a ghost forest, like the forest that had recently been there still had an energy pattern that remained. I felt sad for the loss, but also frieghtened as I would climb a tree and see a near desert of lawns.
Also, sometimes I do go beyond animal lover. Once I visited a friend and had their cat on my lap and was petting it, when his mother came by and was shocked: no on in the family ever could get that cat on their lap and pet it.
I find that telepathically animals do well with mental images as opposed to words. Perhaps images are a more universal form of communication, as they do not involve a specific language.
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Post by lois on Apr 15, 2013 22:23:21 GMT -6
What about stepping on a ant? ;D I won't even do that..
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 3:28:16 GMT -6
When I was a child and we moved from the city to a suburb that was newly built, I sensed a ghost forest, like the forest that had recently been there still had an energy pattern that remained. I felt sad for the loss, but also frieghtened as I would climb a tree and see a near desert of lawns. Also, sometimes I do go beyond animal lover. Once I visited a friend and had their cat on my lap and was petting it, when his mother came by and was shocked: no on in the family ever could get that cat on their lap and pet it. I find that telepathically animals do well with mental images as opposed to words. Perhaps images are a more universal form of communication, as they do not involve a specific language. That was such a touching story about the ghost forest. I have felt that before, too. As a child I remember demanding to be let out of the car when we drove by where they had cut a tree down that had been there for a long time. It was the first time I swore in my life -- I still remember the comical and alarmed look on my mom's face as I paced around the stump yelling "D@mmit! D@mmit!" over and over. I think I was 7! What you said about images seems to be true. We try to talk to the animals here at the sanctuary with images rather than words. It brings to mind Temple Grandin's book Thinking in Pictures and my own experiences with autistic people. They say math is the universal language, but I think there is something to the image idea. Isn't that what a lot of us experience with ETs? Lots of image communication?
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 3:30:06 GMT -6
I can definitely throw my hat into this ring. I have always been closer to non-human animals than human beings. For me, I wasn't even able to cope with human beings until I literally learned how to by spending time with a group of gorillas over 13 years. That experience transformed my life and my work. I think I mentioned elsewhere that I left the West Coast, where I had been based as a professor and lecturer (all my work was about sensitivity, animals, and animal culture) and came home to Southern Illinois to start an animal sanctuary that is also a sustainable organic farm. Other posts have mentioned that experiencers many times end up feeling like they have a strong mission having to do with nature and its creatures. I sure feel that way! You're the lady who was working with Steve, aren't you? I believe he mentioned you once or twice on here a year or so ago... Do you mean ape Steve? Steve W? If that is who you are thinking of then yes -- but I had no idea he had been on here. He passed from cancer a while back.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 3:34:40 GMT -6
What about stepping on a ant? ;D I won't even do that.. Oh, me either! It reminds me of the story of when the British were building a road in Tibet and it was taking forever -- they asked the foreman there what was taking so long and he explained that he people would take a shovel full of dirt, then have to run over and go through it gently, slowly -- if there were insects in it they had to be lovingly relocated. I am so like that. I don't even put spiders out when its chilly -- they just winter over in my house. I get to know some of them. As I said elsewhere, my extended family was a little creeped out by these notions before they came to visit, but then they loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 9:36:48 GMT -6
I draw the line at most bugs..I will NOT co exist with cockroaches or bedbugs..grasshoppers make me cringe and spiders..well lets just say that creepy crawlie things are not dear to me. When the being in my room stuffed something in my ear it sounded like an angry insect inside there which was enough to send me tearing through the house screaming my head off (age 5)..then I got a grasshopper stuck in my hair in my 20's..which triggered the memory of the bug in the ear thing..which started the memories of the abduction..I do NOT treasure bugs. Lois you may have my share of all insect life on the planet
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Post by sunbow on Apr 16, 2013 11:05:47 GMT -6
I am an omnivore. Mother Earth News just had an article on how conscious plants are and discussed all the reactive things they do to protect their lives. They run on a different time stream, so most assume they are not conscious, but they are. While leaves do not focus light, never the less, in their perspective light fills their being every morning.
While I will not go out of my way to hurt insects, neither do I let them run rampant. If a mosquito tries to bite me, I kill it. We keep a plastic container and cardboard for catching insects and putting them outside, but I will sometimes kill them. It is less messy to take them outside. My wife will feel guilty about killing them, however I do not. I will apologize and wish them well on their journey, but I have no negative reaction.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 18:17:07 GMT -6
I am an omnivore. Mother Earth News just had an article on how conscious plants are and discussed all the reactive things they do to protect their lives. They run on a different time stream, so most assume they are not conscious, but they are. While leaves do not focus light, never the less, in their perspective light fills their being every morning. Yes, I think plants are conscious, too. Ihave less a problem with what is eaten -- my concern lies in how it is treated -- both plants and animals. I guess I feel like everything should have a chance to "be itself" in a context that engenders well being and a sense of context. I don't think the way we farm right now does that very well. I find since I had y own near-death traumas I can't take something's life away if I can help it. It seems so precious.
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Post by plutronus on Apr 16, 2013 22:35:52 GMT -6
I am an omnivore. Mother Earth News just had an article on how conscious plants are and discussed all the reactive things they do to protect their lives. They run on a different time stream, so most assume they are not conscious, but they are. While leaves do not focus light, never the less, in their perspective light fills their being every morning. Yes, I think plants are conscious, too. Ihave less a problem with what is eaten -- my concern lies in how it is treated -- both plants and animals. I guess I feel like everything should have a chance to "be itself" in a context that engenders well being and a sense of context. I don't think the way we farm right now does that very well. I find since I had y own near-death traumas I can't take something's life away if I can help it. It seems so precious. Plants...
Advanced Spiritual doctrines teach that everything physical in the Asiyah dimension, (where you are reading this) is conscious, as **everything** is comprised of the fabric of God's Mind. All functional psychics know this. It is the basis of why they can 'read' physical objects such as hair-brushes, or touch a letter ('witness') to receive a sense of things as everything is an element of the continuum of the sea of consciousness that is energy of the ALL.
Its a bit difficult to wrap one's mind around the idea that the rocks in one's garden is alive with consciousness, however dense it might be. All things physical have Life-Power or 'Ruach', 'Chi' or 'Nous', to name a few of the more commonly known names for this "Life-Power". The quality and the abundance of the Life-Power is dependent upon the quality of the consciousness of the thing. It is the Life-Power that animates living things, and enables animals to eat of them to be nourished. There is an old truism that says, "Anywhere you step is Holy Ground. Where is יהךה Not?"
( יהךה = YHVH = Hebrew= Latinized pronunciation & spelling = JeHoVHa)
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Post by sunbow on Apr 17, 2013 8:12:19 GMT -6
I agree plutronus that everything is alive, yet consciousness (IMO) has levels. My cells are alive and conscious in their environment (atomic), but I never sense atoms and they never sense me. When I smell, I get the impression from my cells, so I am a step removed from the molecular scent and never directly perceive it. All plants and animals (including humans) are cells in the Earth's body. In my opinion 'Stones are the Bones of the Earth'.
Yes, everything carries residual energy forms that can be perceived. We leave a huge wave of psychic energy in our wake as we plow through time. That being said, I do not 'talk' to rocks or try to communicate with them. I feel that is personification. Reading what beings at our level of consciousness have left in them is different than assigning them being at our level of consciousness. There is ultimately only one living being, the totality, the ultimate sentient consciousness.
This brings us to the shamanic understanding that these energies which people and events impress upon things are also impressed into us. Therefore we must consciously seek to destroy memes which are not serving us, but which were either beat into our heads or subtly slipped in as implicit assumptions about our reality.
Perhaps as the initial idea of this thread of being in closer relationship with other species of animals and as some have mentioned having better communication with them implies better communication and relation with all of the living totality. If the Watchers are advanced spiritually, they would be in tune with this greater reality. Imparting it with words does little good, as it is said in many ways already. They would want us to live it, the ultimate challenge of each of our unique lives.
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Post by paulette on Apr 17, 2013 9:28:22 GMT -6
Animal lover....hmmm? How many lovers on this thread eat meat? How many eat pork - the flesh of an animal that is more intelligent than a dog (so say the scientists)? I am a meat eater, and therefore cannot say of myself that I am an animal lover. If what I ate, lived a free or at least good-enough life, I might still say that. But I eat chicken (and have seen what the conditions are in chicken facilities.) I eat pork and beef (and I've seen the feedlots). I drink goats milk and know that to "freshen" a cow or goat - it has to have offspring. But one can't allow the calf or kid to nurse and still sell the milk commericially. So...the offspring are usually disposed of immediately. Or raised to be eaten without the benefit of knowing their mothers. Not much love in this plan. I feel a little crazy in that I know that I SHOULD not eat meat (at least meat grown this way). But an organic chicken costs about 25$! Organic grass fed beef is grown here - it is often stringy and tough. So I take the easy way...
I used to have pets and they enriched my life and those of my children. I no longer want the dependency of a house pet - that requires one to come home and fed it, walk it, take it for expensive trips to the vet. I watch puppy rescue shows and such to get my fix. I'm glad someone else wants to do it (I feel the same way about children).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 10:01:06 GMT -6
Everything and everyone has a function. There are creatures of the field who provide sustenance but somewhere along the line..we (as we usually do) decided to make territories of everything and pretty soon there was little land left for free grazing and so we had to pen up that which we wanted to eat and in the process..discovered that it's a big deal to clean up after and feed these creatures so we minimized the space we had to care for. And the animals suffered and continue to suffer. People are very cruel when they can discount the feelings and needs of others. It's not human..it doesn't have feelings...it's going to die anyway. I'm in the country where we still have dairies and people do still raise their own animals for food..and grow what it takes to feed them. SPCA makes sure dairies are clean and humane..but the area is relatively small and country people tend to bond with their future meals. Don't ask me how someone can do that..I never could hug a cow or pig I was going to eat...but I've sure raised a lot of them. An animal psychic in the area was on tv, and she spoke with cows and pigs about the food chain thing. They didn't mind it..it was part of life..they were interested in good food and water and such except the crab which was total furious hate. Guess we're lucky they are not bigger and from Venus or something I have never eaten a crab since..but mostly I eat vegetables and chicken. No beef..no pork.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 10:55:27 GMT -6
Vegetarian for a couple months now. Haven't missed meat at all. I really thought I would have an issue with it, but I don't.
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Post by sunbow on Apr 17, 2013 12:09:20 GMT -6
I was a vegan for nine months in my twenties. I started waking with a daily headache. I got a yogurt from a vending machine and my headache went away: that was the end of my vegan days. For dairy, you calf the cows, so you have meat as well. I found those who only ate dairy ended up with allergies from the degeneration of enzymes in their bodies.
IMO: I am an omnivore and also an animal lover! We try and buy local meat. We visit a local pork farm. The pigs live good lives. Costs more so we eat less. Plants also have lives. Factory farm plants, coated with pesticides have little life force and lots of negative vibrations. Do we eat commercial stuff, yes, due to limited funds and limited access. It is sad, but I am still an animal lover. Our lives are complex.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 15:11:07 GMT -6
Food chains usually are pretty complex. I'd like to stay relatively close to the top of ours ;D
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