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Post by niki on Jul 31, 2013 6:53:05 GMT -6
For some time, I’ve been sort of toying with the idea that after experiencing a paranormal or extraordinary event, we somehow create subsequent events with our own subconscious. Is it possible that after witnessing an extraordinary event we give that thought, idea, or event so much of our subconscious energy that we are able to manifest additional events or experiences? We know the mind has vast powers that, for most people, are never utilized. I have seen certain paranormal television shows that feature claims made by mediums, psychics and the like that in some cases, we are able to create what seems initially to be poltergeist activity, but after examination is subsequently thought to be physical events and occurrences created by a human person. A couple of true examples: 1. Person (A) tells Person (B) that during the middle of the night a neighbor banged on the front door of their house asking to use Person (A)’s car. Person (A), thinking the neighbor had been drinking and was confused said no, and the neighbor walked away. Two nights later, Person (B) is still thinking about what happened and how strange it was. Person (B) is up late studying and hears a loud series of bangs on the front door. Person (B) carefully approaches the door and looks out thinking the neighbor has returned. No one is there. Person (B) then hears the very real sound of footsteps leading away from the door and across the crunchy snow leading away from the house. Yet, no one is there and no foot prints appear in the snow. 2. On a night in December my daughter and I were driving home and saw what we term to be an unidentified object. The object was triangular, full of colored lights, low, and hovering. It was about half the size of a city block. Because of this experience we spent night after night out in our car looking for other unusual lights in the sky. A couple of weeks later, my sister came to visit us. She had heard our experience and wanted to witness something for herself. We picked a night on the weekend to go out searching. Beforehand, I suggested that we meditate and focus on what we wanted to happen. That night, the three of us saw the most amazing thing….an object in the sky that hovered, then sent out several bright beams of what appeared to be florescent white light. Then, the object, incredibly, split or transformed into three smaller objects full of multicolored lights (blue, green, yellow and red). Those three objects then made a 90 degree turn in and moved off in a triangular pattern. This was witnessed by the three of us, yet no one on the street seemed to take notice, and it was a busy well lit part of town during a Saturday evening. My question…..did WE create the subsequent events? Is it possible that our combined subconscious energies simply manifested the object? Did Person (B) somehow create the sounds and experience he had based on the subconscious suggestion of what had happened two nights before? I often wonder why people who experience a paranormal or unexplained event then have repeated events happen to them time after time, while others experience nothing. Is it possible that those subsequent events are not actually real paranormal or unexplained occurrences, but instead are the very real by-product of their own minds and subconscious thought? I can say that, from my own experience, the more I pay attention to these things the more they seem to happen but….am I just noticing them because I am paying attention or am I somehow creating them because I am feeding them subconscious energy? I know all things are possible, but I’d like to hear the groups thoughts on this. All ideas are welcome and encouraged.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 10:25:08 GMT -6
I think we are capable of creating incidents in our lives..or rather..attracting them without knowing that we are. A loaded weapon no one bothered to say was loaded.
When my friend and I were abducted..it was in the 60's..I didn't know anything about aliens or UFO's..just horses and cute boys. She didn't know either. We were just out taking a ride which we did often..but what made us ride in that direction? I don't know..we had been there before but not for a long time. I think..it was more a case of having the direction planted in our brains...not the other way around. I have similar kinds of incidents..one the other day in fact. I've been going through some very emotional times for months and I do a LOT of praying about it..talking to angels and being me I push the line..asking for signs. I get them but some are so random seeming that I don't trust my ability to recognize. The other day..I decided to wear a blouse I seldom ever wear..it's not a favorite but it was a decision. Now...I have a tendency to like to match my socks to what I wear and I have a basket full of them. I thought to find a pair of socks in the basket...stuck my hand in and came out with a pair. They exactly matched the turquoise in my shirt with a black band at the top which matched my pants. I couldn't see them in the basket and in fact I did not know I owned them. How many of you would see that as a sign? I did because I never wear the blouse and didn't know I owned the socks. If you accept there are things beyond our boring 'norm' you will start seeing them.
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Post by niki on Jul 31, 2013 10:38:04 GMT -6
Thank you for writing, Jo. I have no doubt that real things such as what happened to you and your friend were REAL events. And I agree, the more we open up our minds the more these little things, like matching socks to a blouse without looking, really happen. My question is....after a real event, paranormal or otherwise, is it possible or even plausible that subsequent events might happen due to our own unconscious ability to create them. Did my sister, daughter and I really see that strange crap in the sky, or did we somehow manifest it...did we create the event?
I have no doubt in my mind that my first sighting was real as it happened at a time when I wasn't looking, wasn't paying attention, wasn't feeding 'it' any of my energy. I have also experienced additional things that left a physical mark for which I have no explanation other than they seem to be 'real' physical events. I just wonder if our minds are so powerful that they might create other things that seem real...at a time when we are looking very hard for it. Does that make sense lol.
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Post by auntym on Jul 31, 2013 11:01:12 GMT -6
i see signs all the time and i love it... sometimes when something odd happens my first reaction is "thats a sign!" but, i'm not always sure what its a sign for... does that sound crazy? ... and, of course, most times i know what its for... regardless, i always say thank you, and know i'm on the right path... it's when i don't get a sign i've asked for (and i will ask more than once) i know i'm not going to get any help from them... thats depressing... sooooo, i will do it or try it anyway only to quickly learn i shouldn't have and should have realized their 'no answer' approach was a direct sign i should skip it...  whether they are angels (i believe in them) or friendly aliens or maybe both i'm grateful for the positive intervention that happens... ... and i'm grateful i recogonize it as for sightings... IDK... most often, i think we are in the right place at the right time and just happened to look up... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 11:30:53 GMT -6
I'm not sure about subsequent events Niki (with aliens), I've never had one that I am aware of. One as a child of 5..then the other when 16. I remembered it when I was in my 30's. Maybe it was so much lag time..or maybe because it was an horrific ordeal for my friend and I..it remains a closed chapter. In my book..'friendly' alien is an oxymoron  I guess that is just the last thing I would 'draw' back into my life..except when I am here..I don't think about them. It also disturbs me no end when someone makes a connection between alien and anything spiritual for the same reasons. Naturally I'm aware that others have different opinions and I honor those...without subscribing to them LOL. I do think this though. I think we do 'call' them..or they intercept our prayers and meditations. The one when I was 5 came during a tragic event in my young life..the divorce of my parents..I think they intercepted a prayer to God full of childish tears and pleading. I think they 'hear' the psychic of us and are drawn to it. |
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Post by niki on Jul 31, 2013 12:34:01 GMT -6
i see signs all the time and i love it... sometimes when something odd happens my first reaction is "thats a sign!" but, i'm not always sure what its a sign for... does that sound crazy? ... and, of course, most times i know what its for... regardless, i always say thank you, and know i'm on the right path... it's when i don't get a sign i've asked for (and i will ask more than once) i know i'm not going to get any help from them... thats depressing... sooooo, i will do it or try it anyway only to quickly learn i shouldn't have and should have realized their 'no answer' approach was a direct sign i should skip it... whether they are angels (i believe in them) or friendly aliens or maybe both i'm grateful for the positive intervention that happens... ... and i'm grateful i recogonize it as for sightings... IDK... most often, i think we are in the right place at the right time and just happened to look up... oh, I love those signs too. It makes me think everything is not random coincidence but rather a very intricate plan designed specifically for each of us and yet, part of a whole. That, to me, is divinity |
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Post by niki on Jul 31, 2013 12:43:11 GMT -6
I'm not sure about subsequent events Niki (with aliens), I've never had one that I am aware of. One as a child of 5..then the other when 16. I remembered it when I was in my 30's. Maybe it was so much lag time..or maybe because it was an horrific ordeal for my friend and I..it remains a closed chapter. In my book..'friendly' alien is an oxymoron I guess that is just the last thing I would 'draw' back into my life..except when I am here..I don't think about them. It also disturbs me no end when someone makes a connection between alien and anything spiritual for the same reasons. Naturally I'm aware that others have different opinions and I honor those...without subscribing to them LOL. I do think this though. I think we do 'call' them..or they intercept our prayers and meditations. The one when I was 5 came during a tragic event in my young life..the divorce of my parents..I think they intercepted a prayer to God full of childish tears and pleading. I think they 'hear' the psychic of us and are drawn to it. Some people wish to believe that if there are aliens they must be much more advanced then we and therefore, on a higher spiritual plane. It's not necessarily so....science and spirituality actually conflict with each other. Some wish to believe that because things are so bad here on Earth an alien race is looking out for us...we all want a savior. Personally, I am a romantic so I'd prefer the idea that other species similar to ours are kind and good and looking out for us, but my logical mind says that idea makes little sense any more. I do agree with you that there is the possibility of sending 'out' energy and thought and having it returned, 'some thing' notices that you noticed it'. Maybe it's possible that they are just simply good listeners and have somehow derived a way to interpret and hear that energy and react to it. Honestly, the entire mystery makes my brain hurt lol. |
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Post by auntym on Jul 31, 2013 12:58:35 GMT -6
i see signs all the time and i love it... sometimes when something odd happens my first reaction is "thats a sign!" but, i'm not always sure what its a sign for... does that sound crazy? ... and, of course, most times i know what its for... regardless, i always say thank you, and know i'm on the right path... it's when i don't get a sign i've asked for (and i will ask more than once) i know i'm not going to get any help from them... thats depressing... sooooo, i will do it or try it anyway only to quickly learn i shouldn't have and should have realized their 'no answer' approach was a direct sign i should skip it... whether they are angels (i believe in them) or friendly aliens or maybe both i'm grateful for the positive intervention that happens... ... and i'm grateful i recogonize it as for sightings... IDK... most often, i think we are in the right place at the right time and just happened to look up... oh, I love those signs too. It makes me think everything is not random coincidence but rather a very intricate plan designed specifically for each of us and yet, part of a whole. That, to me, is divinity |
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Post by bewildered on Aug 12, 2013 16:38:54 GMT -6
I've had enough odd experiences to grasp that something is not "right" in Kansas, so to speak. Over the years I've attempted to piece together a coherent theory regarding the essential mystery of consciousness, but so far I fall short in articulating it properly. That is one of my goals before I exit this mode of existence: I need to find a way to encapsulate the role consciousness plays in the greater experience called reality. Some of it is rather mundane and even unexciting, but there are elements of this existence that utterly mystify me.
In all honesty, I am convinced that "reality" is holographic in nature. What we perceive as solid matter is nothing more than patterns of energy emanating fields of varying strength. A rock, for example, is in actuality comprised of mostly "empty space," yet to our perception it is solid. Our perception of time varies according to conditional perceptual filters, which itself might be tied to the relative spinning velocity of individual subatomic particles. Distance is mostly an illusion, or a trick of cognitive bias. Those subatomic particles I mentioned have been observed to react synchronously despite any measure of "distance" that separates them. In truth, "everything" is energy. Solid matter is an illusion, time is a cognitive device, identity is fluid and malleable, and we are essentially taught how to perceive the universe by the culture that influenced us the most. "Culture" is not tangible, either. It is a complicated cognitive construct passed from one human to another.
We are programmed how to make sense of this continuum of perpetual energy. We imagine that we are separate and distinct from the world we perceive, but a scientific analysis of event progression reveals that everything is inexorably related to everything else, both in cause and effect, and the very energy that comprises our own unique pattern. Neil De Grasse Tyson is dead-on when he proclaims that we are made of star dust. The energy of a billion trillion supernovas collide, coalesce, and emerge into a pattern that represents you and me. I often wonder if the "secret" of existence isn't a secret at all...but rather the simple expressions of endlessly morphing patterns of energy. Energy is perpetual.
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Post by niki on Aug 13, 2013 6:06:56 GMT -6
Thank you for answering, BW. I completely agree and this is why I sometimes suspect that our thoughts and mind waves are able to manifest, to a degree, real physical events. I think our collective consciousness is largely underestimated and in fact, might very well be responsible for a number of 'odd experiences.'
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Post by bewildered on Aug 13, 2013 8:53:25 GMT -6
Perception is a powerful lens, niki, that translates "reality" for the observer. What you describe happens constantly because thought patterns do indeed affect the environment in a manner that others can notice through the sympathetic activity of the body. If that sounds silly (I admit that it does at first glance...you think about picking up a rock and then do it with your hand), consider that your body is the primary portal through which you interact with this energy universe. When you get right down to it, it isn't meaningful to needlessly separate your "mind" from your body, because for all intents and purposes they are unified. I used quotes with the term mind because no one can satisfactorily explain what the mind is: you can't see it nor examine it, you can only observe attributes associated with it. Your mind certainly isn't your brain.
As for the mind directly impacting holographic reality in a manner that can be directly experienced by others beyond the initiator - all without the aid of the physical vehicle - that is much, much more difficult to detect and quantify. I think it happens, but in ways we might not anticipate because our perception and cultural bias has been affected by movies, television, and stories. I can't overstate how potent bias and culture are...they really do affect how we perceive "reality" itself...so one person might see and perceive one thing while another might not see and perceive the same thing themselves. This extends to the observation of exterior events and objects: one person might see and experience a car differently than someone else.
The universe might seem mechanical on one level, but the farther you delve into its quantum mechanics, the more you realize that it's really nothing more than an impossibly vast interrelated web of possibilities. It can be predictable to a finite degree, but that's all. Sentient beings function as probability interference engines, walking enigmas that directly intervene to make something happen. Whether that's tossing a rock into a pond, making lasagna, or somehow influencing a sequence of cause and effect events in a way that defies observation, the result really is the same. The "mundane" is actually pretty amazing.
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Post by niki on Aug 13, 2013 10:29:22 GMT -6
Perception is a powerful lens, niki, that translates "reality" for the observer. What you describe happens constantly because thought patterns do indeed affect the environment in a manner that others can notice through the sympathetic activity of the body. If that sounds silly (I admit that it does at first glance...you think about picking up a rock and then do it with your hand), consider that your body is the primary portal through which you interact with this energy universe. When you get right down to it, it isn't meaningful to needlessly separate your "mind" from your body, because for all intents and purposes they are unified. I used quotes with the term mind because no one can satisfactorily explain what the mind is: you can't see it nor examine it, you can only observe attributes associated with it. Your mind certainly isn't your brain. As for the mind directly impacting holographic reality in a manner that can be directly experienced by others beyond the initiator - all without the aid of the physical vehicle - that is much, much more difficult to detect and quantify. I think it happens, but in ways we might not anticipate because our perception and cultural bias has been affected by movies, television, and stories. I can't overstate how potent bias and culture are...they really do affect how we perceive "reality" itself...so one person might see and perceive one thing while another might not see and perceive the same thing themselves. This extends to the observation of exterior events and objects: one person might see and experience a car differently than someone else. The universe might seem mechanical on one level, but the farther you delve into its quantum mechanics, the more you realize that it's really nothing more than an impossibly vast interrelated web of possibilities. It can be predictable to a finite degree, but that's all. Sentient beings function as probability interference engines, walking enigmas that directly intervene to make something happen. Whether that's tossing a rock into a pond, making lasagna, or somehow influencing a sequence of cause and effect events in a way that defies observation, the result really is the same. The "mundane" is actually pretty amazing. good stuff Bewildered. |
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Post by bewildered on Aug 13, 2013 17:08:03 GMT -6
I was surprised to learn that the latest standards in psychology dispense with considerations of the mind - not that it doesn't exist, but because the mind itself is impossible to observe. I had a long conversation with one of my professors about that, and in her words, "can you put your mind in my hands so I can examine it? No? Perhaps that's because the mind isn't something you can examine, only observe through behaviors that you think are associated with the mind. You think that you think, and you think that I think, and I think that you think that I think. Does any of that make sense to you?" Heh, I'll miss her. EDIT: We also discussed the concept of "intelligence" in a similar vein. What precisely is intelligence...the presence of a thought process? Self-awareness? If intelligence means a certain thing to me, but means something else to you, isn't it possible that no one really understands what "intelligence" means? Or...that intelligence and its meaning are purely relative? It's an exercise in recognizing the underlying fabric of cultural programming present in your own person. When you stop to consider concepts such as these that we largely take for granted, the relativism of reality begins to become painfully apparent. Every person you encounter is literally an unfathomable universe unto themselves. We are all walking, talking, living universes within universes.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 18:06:54 GMT -6
Reading all this is interesting . This may seem silly to some people, but I read once, somewhere, that everyone has heard their first name called out (where no one has called them for any reason) a time or two. Wherever I read this (or possibly dreamed it, I admit  ) also gave a possible reason for this, that made some sort of sense of why it happens. Now, I know it happens, but I didn't realize it happens to everybody, much less that there was a reason why. I would like to know if anyone else has heard more about this, with the explanation. Two types I know of: My sister hears her name called from a back storage room, at work. She goes back there to see if she can help whoever, and finds the stock room totally empty. In fact, she has been left on the job totally by herself for a short period of time, and didn't know this. My son hears his name called at a busy, crowded place in which he doesn't seem to know anybody. He looks around; nothing. A little while later he comes upon someone he knows, and they chat briefly. My son asks the person if they saw him earlier and called out his name. The answer is seriously and believably "no". (I was also supposing that the friend actually said my son's name in their mind). Both my sister and son have unusual names. My son could have been hoping that he would run into somebody he knew (he says he didn't even entertain that thought). My sister could have been expecting someone to need her help in another area of her job, since no co-workers were visible at present. My name is more common, and I have heard it in both ways. In fact, I often ignore someone hollering from a distance at me, because obviously everyone else can hear them too, and the person should walk over to me to talk . I have never heard my name hollered out, turned that way, and found the person was not there or speaking to someone else, so go figure. One time though, I actually heard a voice over the intercom at my work (a previous job years ago) that stated I had a "Phone Call on Line __" waiting. There was no phone call. Both when I picked up a nearby phone, and when I checked with the switchboard. This was before cell phones, and I think that on this particular day I received a personal phone call later in the day. That call was not broadcast over a loud speaker, and I don't think I was expecting it. At that time we were also very discouraged from taking personal phone calls at work. |
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Post by paulette on Dec 31, 2013 18:42:12 GMT -6
"Because of this experience we spent night after night out in our car looking for other unusual lights in the sky" Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/3795/create-experiences#ixzz2p5rSrnBt - Niki's post IF YOU COULD HAVE MADE IT HAPPEN - WHY DIDN'T IT HAPPEN SOONER? I think a lot of us here [definitely not all] have tried to make it happen or tried to make it happen again (maybe in a more manageable form). On the other hand (and I've got lots of hands) - maybe it WAS more manageable with your sister present - one of the reoccuring themes here are 1. not being believed [no witnesses] and therefore 2. not believing one's self. Both cause severe cognitive dissonance and self doubt. I have also had my name called and sometimes someone I know shows up - sometimes they do not. I assume that it is a mental contact from someone who knows my name. This also happens in cyberspace - you start thinking about someone and they show up after a long absence - in one case over 40 years! But that's just the way it is for me - the interesting thing among us is the variety of our experiences. |
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I guess that is just the last thing I would 'draw' back into my life..except when I am here..I don't think about them. It also disturbs me no end when someone makes a connection between alien and anything spiritual for the same reasons. Naturally I'm aware that others have different opinions and I honor those...without subscribing to them LOL. I do think this though. I think we do 'call' them..or they intercept our prayers and meditations. The one when I was 5 came during a tragic event in my young life..the divorce of my parents..I think they intercepted a prayer to God full of childish tears and pleading. I think they 'hear' the psychic of us and are drawn to it. 
) also gave a possible reason for this, that made some sort of sense of why it happens.