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Post by auntym on Mar 3, 2015 13:21:02 GMT -6
www.nj.com/indulge/index.ssf/2015/03/paranormal_corner_what_happens_when_you_come_back_to_life.html Paranormal Corner: What happens when you come back to life?By Kelly Roncace | South Jersey Times Follow on Twitter March 02, 2015 Flatliners The 1990 thriller 'Flatliners' tells the tale of four medical students who allow themselves to be killed in order to experience a near-death experience. (Photo courtesy of moviegore.com) The question of life after death is an age old mystery that may not be answered for any of us until it's our time to cross over ourselves. However, Hollywood has documented what could possibly happen to us after we die in many different ways from love stories like "Ghost" with Patrick Swayze, to frightening tales like "Poltergeist." In 1990, writer Peter Filardi brought to life the story of four medical students who experiment with near-death experiences. Each of the characters - including Julia Roberts and Kiefer Sutherland - allow themselves to be terminated in order to see what happens after death. A newer version of the same idea, "The Lazarus Effect" was released on Feb. 27. In both of these tales, succumbing to death brings about a change in the resurrected person's life - both negative. In "Flatliners," those who experience death are forced to relive a frightening time in their life, and in "The Lazarus Effect," the method of restoring life opens up an evil inside the individual. With so many stories associated with near-death experiences, I decided to talk to some people who have crossed over, but have been lucky enough to come back. Josh Johnson of Pennsville died several times when he was just three months shy of his second birthday. "The guys in my family were playing football and I wanted to play with my dad," he said, referring to a time at his brother's summer art program graduation barbecue. "I got up off the blanket and ran after dad, but he was running backwards and didn't see me. He tripped over me and fell on top of me. No one else saw me either and everyone jumped on top of my dad, trapping me underneath." An estimated 1,000 pounds of full-grown male crushed Josh's skull in three places, paralyzed the right side of his face, and left him blind in his left eye. During his life-saving surgeries, the toddler died and was brought back three times. Even though he can't remember what happened, Josh said he feels the experience made him a better person. "I think it changed my outlook on life; that you never know what can happen," he said. "It can all be taken away in a second. Cherish every moment you have." CONTINUE READING: www.nj.com/indulge/index.ssf/2015/03/paranormal_corner_what_happens_when_you_come_back_to_life.html
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Post by paulette on Mar 3, 2015 20:54:41 GMT -6
I don't think that people respond to being dead (if only briefly) in a consistent fashion. I thought my husband's reaction was not at all what I expected. He was a little angry that he died and got brought back and now he will have to die again - and it might hurt more the next time. He said he came back because I called and wanted him back but he was not particularly grateful or amazed to have his life back..
This surprised and dismayed me. But it is true that I really really didn't want him to die. He might have been OK with it.
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Post by casper on Mar 3, 2015 22:46:06 GMT -6
Did he hear you call him when he was dead? He remembers that? That's kind of interesting. He might have been in the spirit world maybe. What else does he remember? Did he see any lights or anything? Were there any other people there?
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Post by paulette on Mar 5, 2015 11:33:39 GMT -6
This is his story - related once they took the breathing tube out. He had been deeply sedated with Phena...something. A powerful synthetic morphine. He didn't even have REM (rapid eye movements - suggesting that he was not dreaming). But soon after they woke him up and he could talk (his throat was very sore) he told me this.
He was in the basement with bodies all around. He was leaving. There was no strong emotion about this (in the dream).
Then he heard me calling him. He "came back" into his body. He knew I needed him to survive - that our affairs were not in order (like wills, and house deeds and such). Initially he seemed very grateful to be alive. But a couple of days later- "something happened". He successfully pulled out ALL his tubes, including a catheter. He wanted to leave. He remembered being in the hospital "before" and he didn't like it. He no longer predictably recognized his adult daughters (who had been by his side). He always seemed to know me. He was angry and still gets that way when he remembers those days.
The night he heard me calling him? That first night, I woke up in the nearby "Heart House" crying. It was 3:48 am. I called the Intensive Care Unit and got his nurse. I asked how he was. He sighed and said he'd like to tell me things were OK but they really weren't. He told me to come now.
I ran down the darkened street (the hospital is never locked) and up to his room. His readouts (heart) were erratic. He had no urinary output. I used to be a nurse. I knew what that meant. His organs were shutting down.
I did a magic circle. I requested energy from the Universe. I imagined a great swirling vortex in the room, passing into his heart and down into the earth. I could feel it. My need and slight skills were enough. I kept it there for about an hour. His read-outs settled and there was a trickle of urine going into the bag. I walked out into the waiting room, thinking I would go home and sleep. I had no energy to do so. I fell asleep in the recliner chair there for at least an hour. When I checked on him again, he was stable and the staff were more optimistic. I went "home" and slept until about 4pm. When I awoke and walked to the hospital I noticed that everything was different for me. Intense. The scent of lilac and rose was almost intoxicating. I could hear better - individual birds in the trees! It was somewhat like a very mellow acid trip. It lasted for days. I had interactions with people and beings (in one case a big dog, in another hornets) that were conscious and reaffirming. I actually discovered that one of families in the waiting room - an old First Nations grandmother and her grandchildren - who were visiting her son) were RELATED to a First Nations boy I had informally fostered years ago. Everyone and everything seemed perternaturally connected. I believe I ended up with a bit of the vortex in my own being.
My husband saw no one else, nor lights. He was on his own and perhaps not quite gone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 18:57:39 GMT -6
I'm crying, paulette. I'll have to come back.
But I pray that he (your husband) finds the day to be thankful for what you did
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 16:14:16 GMT -6
I've come back, but not willing (yet) to do what I always do : namely pick apart things . Thank you for sharing this with us, Paulette . I will tell you that I now wonder why I have EVER entertained any type of idea of worry over You . I particularly remember feeling my own anxiety directly after Terry's heart event. You came on here and told us that you weren't ready to take care of him. I so love that comment, and last night when I read this post I was so ready to "gush" all over you (not at all the same, but I am so unready to take care of my dad.) Somehow, you go on. All I know about Terry these days is that he has gone back to work; I don't know his actual continuing recovery process. I do know its a process, unless a "miracle" takes place. How many miracles does a person get? Be Blessed!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 22:09:57 GMT -6
Ok, Paulette. I have a couple of questions, if you are up to it . If not; I understand. _____________________________________________________________________ I love the word "preternaturally". You use it like it is "second skin" to you, which made me appreciate the word so much more (you know, to hear it in a sentence, fitting in the context of what's happening, like a favorite, soft glove hugs the fingers . . . ) So imagine my surprise when I looked it up. *** Preternatural From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A Compleat Treatise of Preternatural Tumours (1678) by John Brown The preternatural or praeternatural is that which appears outside or beside (Latin præter) the natural. In contrast to the supernatural, preternatural phenomena are presumed to have explanations that are unknown.[1] It is "suspended between the mundane and the miraculous".[2]
In theology, the term is often used to distinguish marvels or deceptive trickery, often attributed to witchcraft or demons, from the purely divine power of the genuinely supernatural to violate the laws of nature. In the early modern period the term was used by scientists to refer to abnormalities and strange phenomena of various kinds that seemed to depart from the norms of nature.
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Medieval theologians made a clear distinction between the natural, the preternatural and the supernatural. Thomas Aquinas argued that the supernatural consists in “God’s unmediated actions”; the natural is “what happens always or most of the time”; and the preternatural is “what happens rarely, but nonetheless by the agency of created beings...Marvels belong, properly speaking, to the realm of the preternatural.”[3] Theologians, following Aquinas, argued that only God had the power to disregard the laws of nature that he has created, but that demons could manipulate the laws of nature by a form of trickery, to deceive the unwary into believing they had experienced real miracles. According to historian Lorraine Daston,
Although demons, astral intelligences, and other spirits might manipulate natural causes with superhuman dexterity and thereby work marvels, as mere creatures they could never transcend from the preternatural to the supernatural and work genuine miracles.[4]*** this almost sounds "negative" to me. This 'definition'; NOT your experience. I may be taking the definition too wrong, in that my concept of "forced" or by "some trickery" means I should be questioning my initial feeling. What do you think? With your husband's soon change (after the "event") in his attitude, I guess I'm looking for any intimations that made you question your feelings from that "wonderful time". ??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 22:28:50 GMT -6
(for Paulette) What did your husband mean by "basement"? Was it a general term, like possibly the "basement" of that hospital (or any hospital) is where the morgue is? and he was leaving that area? (in general, a hospital morgue waiting area; personally unfamiliar, but a likely place for oneself to 'wake up' in after dying, and of course other "bodies" from the hospital are "waiting" there too). I'm sorry. It crossed my mind that he was in your own basement (at home). Because its a familiar place (we all visit our houses in 'dreams'), he was discombogulated (didn't know he had died, until he was leaving by means other than a door or window). And then "bodies" . . . well, the weird noises in your home, downstairs? Yea, sorry. my mind went there. (I remind myself that all my thinking isn't going to change a thing. I totally agree with You that people's death experiences are very varied . However, children around a certain age are very similar in their experiences, and people seem to dismiss a lot of negative experiences; or we just don't hear of them as much) thank you
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Post by paulette on Mar 13, 2015 11:53:05 GMT -6
Wow! Interesting questions!
The church might differentiate supernatural from preternatural in that some division would be drawn between god or his agents doing something and something/one else acting to create an event outside of the normal. I think we all can do a lot more than we think we can (the normal). We can hear messages from dead people or their spirits (see recent news about drowned mother, living child in submerged car). Being instructed or intructing one's self (or both) gives one the hope or confidence to step outside the normal likely conclusion and alter it or bend the flow of energy in the universe so that a different outcome might occur. I believe that my sincere wish for energy and for my husband to survive, created an event. I couldn't have done it to amuse myself or show power to someone for personal gain.
I believe that there may have been ANOTHER helping me but I did not see that in my mind's eye. I was too swept up in what was going on. Time was of an essence.
The basement was the basement of the hospital. And yes morgues are always in the basement - so that visitors don't stumble upon them. He felt that he was in the basement of the hospital in the morgue with other bodies. I would imagine that not all people separate immediately from their bodies - that is why people are left "laying in state" for a day, so people can go by and say goodbye. In many countries the relatives lovingly wash and redress that body. These are comforting rituals to the living - and possibly the dead. In Victorian times, some people had bells attached to a string inside their coffin - in case they "woke up"/came to life and had been already buried. -They could then ring the bell and hope someone noticed!
I don't mind other people seeing this experience other ways. I don't know even how Terry sees it. Sometimes he remembers. Sometimes he does not. He does believe I'm responsible for "bringing him back". Interestingly, in many parts of the world, if you save someone's life - you are then responsible for them. I do feel responsible for him in a way. There is a lovely page in Neil Gailman's Ocean at the End of the Lane in which they go into the ocean - the cosmic ocean of life I think. The boy says - "I want to stay here." and his companion,who may be more than human says, "Yes I know. But you can't because you would lose yourself in it" (or something like that). I love the concept that melting into the Universe would be exquisitively wonderful. Maybe that's what Terry was cross about - he was so close and now here he is again - having to worry about work, and money, and taking care of us and putting up with me.
I did feel that we both got a huge gift of knowing. But that level of understanding or experiencing is hard or even impossible to hang onto. For me, anyway...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 12:50:01 GMT -6
Maybe that's what Terry was cross about - he was so close and now here he is again - having to worry about work, and money, and taking care of us and putting up with me. I did feel that we both got a huge gift of knowing. But that level of understanding or experiencing is hard or even impossible to hang onto. For me, anyway... LOL. Cross sounds so much better than angry, doesn't it? More like a "fleeting" emotion . Probably because of my experiences with anger, that's where I was primary concerned. And he's not outright mad at you, even though you both acknowledged that you're the reason he is still here . And, i believe that you are the reason. For all those people that say we have a "set time" for death, I say "Yes, but there is room for intervention". And along those lines, I don't want people reading this to say "Why couldn't I save my spouse, my child, my friend".... In this realm I'll never know why it "happened for you", but you might . That knowing. And then you'll forget, as life goes on. Really, really cool that you "felt" that knowing for several days . As a euphoric experience, whatever . I think, that that feeling and change in actual vision that you had, is the often (ever) elusive high that we all would like to obtain through drugs or "enlightenment". Forgive me, but I also think that people that have this, from a possible spiritual experience, don't quite know how to recognize it. I'm not touting "drugs" by any means; LOL. When someone purposely takes drugs, or beseeches G_d for enlightenment, they're expecting to feel something. Correct? and sometimes they get disappointed, or feel the experience has a "false" feeling to it. Did this "high" for you, feel false? The real deal. Especially if you've done something mind-altering before. . . you just know. this is different.__________________________________________ I like the way you started out your answer with "what the Church says". Lol. The CHURCH still has so much to say about everything, whether we want them to or not. And the history! So cool we can tap into so many things that have happened before! We've also heard that the person is "responsible" to whoever saves their life! (smirk). If one is not truly grateful to be saved, well, that's a pile of rocks we don't want . As far as I know, a heart condition also takes away a lively sex life. Bummer. giving up sex is really . . . um, . . can i say, meaningful? ha! Even if someone is not active. being told that you can't be is a whole 'nother layer. _________________________________________ I agree brb
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 19:27:23 GMT -6
Sigh. i didn't make it right back, and i fretted that i lost my train of thought BUUUUUUTTT, I agree that we are so much more capable (as humans) than what we are aware of. Or maybe even some people feel that the proper word is "allowed" to do. Maybe there are times that our "instinct" kicks in, and we just know it's the right time, even if "other times" also feel "right", but we are unsuccessful (or just think we are?). I also am a huge fan of "as above, so below", in a positive light. That what we do here has some sort of repercussions somewhere else . . my own little take on even "karma". So, my next question is, did you, Paulette, possibly thwart some "plan" that was made for your husband ? Plans made a long time ago, or even "yesterday". And would that make someone (or something) angry? If so, YOU did such a wondrous thing, that you can't be touched by this anger, which is apparent in the euphoric experience you went through. So where does this "supposed anger" (that I'm talking about here) get dispersed to? because Terry was almost reached by death, was there some 'residue' he felt? Why didn't he also get that euphoric event, like you did? Why was the time frame what it was, so soon after his almost dying, that he was angry? I mean, if he was in horrible pain (not just mental anguish of daily life, including not being prepared), I understand. And like I've said before, we aren't thinking rationally when we pull all tubes out of ourselves in such a dire situation. And sometimes, NOT being ourselves, can have a lot to do with our unexpected reactions to hospital meds. I know some people have to be sedated more than others when that breathing tube is needed. and if you don't remember what happened, why you're there, and you don't recognize anyone . . . I just can't speak enough of the blessing! Your timing, calling the hospital, how you felt! Who can say that this wasn't the actual plan? That there wasn't a date set for Terry to die, and Paulette to do what she's supposed to do? What if you hadn't done anything. Anyway, you said your husband had a "knowing" also, and that may have also been hard to hold onto. I went back over it, and I still don't get if at that moment he had a sense of unfinished business, or that was just a simple truth in the back of his mind; unpreparedness. I know hospitals, doctors and such here, have gotten very into questions like, "Do you have such-and-such paperwork filled out". It kind of shocked me how often I was asked that question in the last 6 months! (and I still haven't bothered to do it / had talks with my kids about it). Thanks for your patience with me. You are an amazing woman!!
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Post by paulette on Mar 13, 2015 23:14:51 GMT -6
Thank you jcurio. I feel validated and understood by what you wrote. There was nothing false in what happened. Even though I had no one "with me" - his daughters and ex were for each other and for him - I talked to people by telephone but found it impossible to articulate the change that I experienced after he pulled through or came back. It was tender. My heart was open. At point I was sitting on bench next to some blooming rugosa roses. It was warm and I was almost swooning with the smell and sunlight.
Suddenly I realized that there were A LOT of hornets flying around the bench - they were starting a next under it. I started to swat one with my book and stopped. The thought occurred - Terry has been spared dying and you spared losing him at this time. Do you really want to kill a sentient being who is not harming you? I looked at the nearest hornet going about her business and I just sat there quietly. And nobody hurt anybody. They came and went and eventually I got up and left (It probably helped that I wasn't eating anything that they wanted. Or that I hadn't taken aggressive action against one of them.) We just all had a peaceful moment today.
THAT WENT ON FOR DAYS!
Terry initially was crying and said he was glad he was back. His wife brought him in his old Bahai prayer book and I asked him if he wanted me to read some of it. He nodded. As I read, the tears run down his cheeks but he assured me they were happy tears. Afterwards he experienced things otherwise and when I asked if he wanted me to read the next day he shook his head ademantly. He did like fiction but no more prayers!
I still read to him every night if one of us isn't too sick or tired. I've read at least 5 books and am finishing the first of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy this weekend. Each of these books have over 500 pages and some words are in elfish or dwarf languages (made up). I am getting better at reading alound and he is getting better at remembering what happened. Maybe. Anyway it is pleasureable for both of us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 18:28:27 GMT -6
I'll probably come back to this topic now and then. It's so cool! **************************************** You reminded me that you are reading "The Lord of the Rings" books to your hubby. I thought this was interesting, because when a male friend of mine just couldn't find his way out of a depression, and his wife was near giving up, he started to heal when he began watching "The Lord of the Rings" movies . I remember him trying to pretend he was doing much better, but then seeing his face literally light up as he told a bunch of his friends he was watching the movies, one by one. Something about those stories, I think . . . I recall reading "the Hobbit" for the first time. How "wordy" it was (because I was young) and hoping/wishing for someone to make it come alive! (like a very good movie). Even the "map(s)" inside the book captivated me !
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Post by casper on Apr 1, 2015 19:08:12 GMT -6
That is a very cool story, Paulette. I hope you and your husband get to spend much more time together here on earth.
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Post by auntym on Mar 15, 2018 13:42:32 GMT -6
discovermagazine.com/2016/may/9-a-brush-with-death Life After Almost-Death How a glimpse of the other side changes those who make it back.By Amy Paturel / discovermagazine.com/authors/amy-paturelFriday, April 15, 2016 On a sunny April afternoon in 2013, while my dad was driving home after work, a 26-year-old man in a Toyota Camry broadsided him. The impact sent my dad’s Cadillac careening into a brick retaining wall. Paramedics had to saw off the door to extract him from the vehicle. When I saw him several hours later, he was conscious but had no recollection of the crash. His blood pressure was so low doctors could barely detect a pulse. They thought they were losing him. Then something strange happened. “I could feel myself slipping away as the nurses probed for a vein to give me blood,” he told me the next morning. “All of a sudden, I was overcome by an eerie silence. There was no sound at all. I saw myself on the gurney, and then an amorphous shadow crossed the wall. I can’t describe what happened or why, but from the moment the room got quiet, it was as if I was in another dimension.” Such near-death experiences (NDEs) aren’t as rare as you’d think. At least 5 percent of Americans claim to have touched death and lived to tell about it. Some people see a shadow, some a beckoning light. Others see apparitions of loved ones. Regardless of what people believe they see during those moments, some experts think NDEs like my father’s aren’t an external event, but a failing body’s attempt to grapple with crisis. I was overcome by an eerie silence. There was no sound at all. I saw myself on the gurney, and then an amorphous shadow crossed the wall. A 2012 study published in the International Journal of Behavioral Medicine lists myriad physiological explanations for NDEs, from neurotransmitter imbalances to REM sleep intrusion. But for my dad and others who’ve had a similar experience, it’s what happened after the NDE that was the hardest to understand. A hard-core mathematician and science geek, my dad was never a sentimental guy — more prankster than poet. But as he navigated a difficult recovery in the months after his dance with death, he changed. He began studying religion and philosophy, even writing poetry. For Valentine’s Day, he sent my sisters and me chocolate-covered strawberries, complete with personalized prose. Realer Than RealAs a health journalist with a background in psychology, I had to uncover whether there was a scientific explanation for his newfound tenderness and appreciation for life. How did his NDE leave such an indelible imprint? How did it reboot his brain in such a way that he tapped into aspects of his psyche he never knew existed? NDE researcher and neurologist Kevin Nelson of the University of Kentucky tells me fading blood flow, even for a few seconds, signals a crisis to the brain. That emergency launches a cascade of survival reflexes, not unlike fight-or-flight, that lead to the thoughts, feelings and sensations of an NDE. “It’s this physical and emotional crisis that translates to especially vivid recall of NDEs, but also to a shift in how survivors lead their lives following the experience,” he says. When we’re staring death in the face, Nelson says, there’s strong evolutionary pressure to remember every detail. Survival demands an alert and attentive brain to meet the threat head on and be prepared to combat it again in the future. So even though my dad is in his late 70s and usually is too absentminded to remember what he ate for lunch, his NDE is seared in his mind — something called preferential encoding, says Steven Laureys, a neurologist who is chair of the World Federation of Neurology Applied Research Group on Coma and Disorders of Consciousness and director of the Coma Science Group at the University of Liège in Belgium. My dad’s brain recorded every vision, every feeling, every sound, in such detail that the memories seem to color everything in his life. Laureys admits researchers still don’t know “how an abnormally functioning brain can record an experience that’s so emotional, so vivid and so real.” But they have enough evidence to consider NDEs a physiological reality linked to brain activity. “People tend to come back from NDEs happier and no longer fearing death. The experience becomes a cornerstone of their lives.” In a 2013 PLOS One study, Laureys and his Liège colleagues compared NDEs with other memories of intense real-life events, such as marriages and births, as well as with memories of dreams and imaginary thoughts. To their surprise, NDE memories among a group of 21 coma survivors were much richer than any imagined or real event. “Even when the NDE happened decades before, patients’ memory of the experience was as vivid as if it occurred yesterday,” Laureys says. It makes sense if you look at electroencephalography (EEG) measurements of activity in the brain when recalling an NDE. A 2014 EEG study published in Frontiers in Human Neuroscience found that NDE memories are stored as episodic memories — recollections of events that you yourself participated in, like recalling where you were when the 9/11 attacks happened, rather than simply remembering the fact that the attacks happened. Scientists from that same study also concluded that the seemingly otherworldly memories from an NDE give off electrical patterns that are similar to real memories and significantly different from imagined events. The researchers noted that those who had NDEs describe the experience as “realer than real.” All of the participants in the study said their NDE was the most powerful, intense and important experience of their lives. Life After Almost-DeathFor my dad, the NDE provided overwhelming peace. While he was suspended between this world and the unknown, he says a force told him, “You’re not going to die today.” And he says he wasn’t ready to go — he had newfound motivations to explore. “People tend to come back from NDEs happier and no longer fearing death,” Laureys says. “The experience becomes a cornerstone of their lives.” My dad’s experience not only affected how he lives his life, but also how he relates to others. Now, he’s especially kind to strangers, more giving, always willing to lend a hand to someone who needs it. I’ve even seen him give money to panhandlers, something he seemed to shy away from before his accident. Apparently, he’s not alone. According to a 2013 study published in the International Journal of Behavioral Medicine, people who had NDEs became more tolerant of others, gained a greater appreciation of nature and understood themselves better compared with those who didn’t experience an NDE. Science can’t explain why a father who drove like a NASCAR star now writes treatises on safe and courteous driving. And it can’t explain how someone who lived by numbers now prefers penning philosophical missives. But research does give us some clues about how NDEs change people’s personalities. They become sweeter, softer and more reflective — just like my dad. discovermagazine.com/2016/may/9-a-brush-with-death
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Post by jcurio on Mar 16, 2018 14:07:33 GMT -6
I still read to him every night if one of us isn't too sick or tired. I've read at least 5 books and am finishing the first of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy this weekend. Each of these books have over 500 pages and some words are in elfish or dwarf languages (made up). I am getting better at reading alound and he is getting better at remembering what happened. Maybe. Anyway it is pleasureable for both of us. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/5507/brush-death#ixzz59wbiq5FD****** 😊
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Post by jcurio on Mar 16, 2018 14:22:16 GMT -6
But as he navigated a difficult recovery in the months after his dance with death, he changed. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/5507/brush-death?page=1#ixzz59wdKVdEL********* IMO, this “difficult recovery” is part of the phenomenon. Does anyone come back from a “NDE” without a difficult recovery? YES. But that difficult recovery may be more than a physical recovery. It may not be a physical recovery at all (only emotional). A physical recovery alone, can be “devastating” to someone who is normally living a very active and busy life. A “NDE” may be the reason that a person does not become bitter through a long physical recovery. There still may be lingering hardships like financial loss, and the person may have experienced loneliness.... So, really cool that an NDE is a positive experience! 😊
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Post by auntym on Jul 18, 2018 13:22:19 GMT -6
mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/07/artist-who-was-dead-for-seven-minutes-now-paints-what-he-saw-after-crossing-the-threshhold/Artist Who Was Dead For Seven Minutes Now Paints What He Saw After “Crossing the Threshhold”by Sequoyah Kennedy mysteriousuniverse.org/author/skennedy/July 16, 2018 Shiv Grewal, 60, an actor with the Royal Shakespeare Company who had just been cast as Don Pedro in the RSC’s production of Much Ado About Nothing, had just returned to his London home from dinner with his wife Allison when he suffered a massive heart attack. Shiv was legally dead for seven minutes before he was resuscitated. He was put into a medically induced coma for a month to protect him from the oxygen deprivation to his brain caused by being dead for a while. After waking from the coma, Shiv says he remembers dying and what it felt like to have crossed the boundary from this world to the next. Since returning to the land of the living, Shiv has began painting what he saw during his near-death experience to help himself understand his experience and also “to capture what a person experiences when they cross the threshold of non-living and to, hopefully, convey that to others.” In an article on Shiv Grewal in the Daily Mail, where you can see some of the paintings he’s produced (go have a look, they’re fairly amazing), Shiv is quoted describing his experience in a way that will seem familiar if you’ve followed near-death cases for any amount of time: “I knew, somehow, that I was dead. I was aware my brain was dying and crying out for help. But, at the same time, I felt things completely separate from my body. It was like I was in a void but could feel emotions and sensations. Despite knowing I was dead, I also knew that there was a chance of coming home.
I also understood that I’d be reincarnated, but I didn’t want that just yet. I wanted to return to life, to the material world and to my wife. I demanded that I was coming back and I got my wish.
I felt there was a whole set of possibilities. Various lives and reincarnations that were being offered to me. But I didn’t want them. I made it very clear that I wanted to return to my body, to my time, to my wife and to go on living.
I needed to be proactive. I said I was coming back. I said it as a demand not a request.”
There’s a couple of things in here that make me feel a little better about the whole inevitable end thing. 1.) retaining memories, emotions, and sensations, and 2.) the apparent ability to bargain with the void. Well, it’s not even a bargain so much as the force of will of a man who wants to see the person he loves again.It’s also very interesting that Shiv mentions a choice being involved in reincarnation. Could it be that we actually have agency in what happens after death? That wouldn’t explain the myriad terrible situations that people are born into. Could it be a test of some sort? Shiv Grewal also describes other qualities of his experience:
I had no body as such. I suppose it was a bit like swimming through water, you feel weightless and disconnected from the physical world.
At one point I was travelling over the moon and I could see meteorites and all of space. Whatever “all of space” might mean, it sounds impressive and terrifying. His paintings are full of color and strange geometries. They have more than a passing resemblance to depictions of other near-death experiences as well as experiences of psychedelic drugs, most notably DMT. His depiction of the afterlife is a far cry from the endless nothingness and non-being many of us assume. If you’re in the London area this summer, you can see Shiv’s work displayed in a gallery show called Reboot at the Karma Sanctum Soho Hotel from August 15 to September 24. Despite calling himself a scientifically-minded natural cynic, Shiv Grewal says the experience had a profound effect on him, and puts it in a way that, regardless of whether you believe Shiv saw the actual afterlife or not, is worth a attention:
I’m less fearful of death because of it, but at the same time I’m also more fearful, because I’ve realized how precious everything I have in life is.
I’m grateful just to be here. My drive for life has been boosted. I’ve always thought that kindness is essential for humans to evolve and become better, but after this experience, I now feel this very deep inside me – like a fundamental truth. mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/07/artist-who-was-dead-for-seven-minutes-now-paints-what-he-saw-after-crossing-the-threshhold/
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