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Post by plutronus on Jul 18, 2015 16:31:21 GMT -6
Howdy All...from the AI front...FYI (was forwarded to me from the Riverside Robotics Club, a tech hang) plutronusSee: www.roboticstrends.com/article/robot_passes_self_awareness_testUh-oh, a robot for the first time has passed a self-awareness test. The test might seem simple, but it's extremely difficult for a robot.By Steve Crowe - July 17, 2015 Roboticists at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI: rpi.edu/) in New York put three customized Nao (http://www.roboticstrends.com/article/aldebaran_nao_robot) robots through a modified version of the “wise men puzzle” test of self-awareness, and one of the robots passed the test. Professor Selmer Bringsjord programmed the robots to think that two of them took a dumbing pill, which was just a button on their heads, that makes them mute. Two of the robots were actually made mute by pressing the button on their head, and all three were then asked which pill they received. All three attempt to say “I don’t know,” but only one is successful. In the video below, you’ll see the robot on the right raise his hand after hearing its voice. This is when it becomes self-aware. Since it could talk, the robot understands it was not silenced and becomes self-aware. To Read the remainder of the article see: www.roboticstrends.com/article/robot_passes_self_awareness_test
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 21:45:37 GMT -6
ummmmmmmmmmmm, I need a little more. Robots can be programmed to be "reactive" in a certain way . . .
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Post by plutronus on Jul 23, 2015 6:11:58 GMT -6
ummmmmmmmmmmm, I need a little more. :D Robots can be programmed to be "reactive" in a certain way . . . These particular robots while they do employ programming, the decision making process is comprised statistically using random (seed) number generators for their 'weights'...in other words, they aren't programmed as a computer must be. But I get your point, it's self-awareness seems a bit on the thin side, unlike my (deceased, via heart-attack) friend Dr. Ron Blue (prof.edu & quantum-cyberneticist & psychologist) Lil' Corey and Lil-Ricci bots, have **NO** computer inside them, let alone stored instructions or other 'programming'. Those machines, were in both his opinion (and mine) were indeed self-aware. In fact, they were telepathic. Mecha can not be telepathic unless it is conscious. plutronus
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 14:41:31 GMT -6
sorry to push this a bit further, but what made "him" (by sound of his voice, possibly intended male) raise his arm?
"He" acknowledged by voice that he did not get the "dummy pill". Why the "extra" response?
Example: you put three people in a game show. At any one time, one of them may win a special prize. Does that person raise their hand and say 'I won, I won" (sometimes). Or do they do a little celebration dance? Etc., etc.
Really kind of weird when you think about, that becoming "self-aware" as/for a robot, will be simply acting like a human . . . .
IDK. Should I be thinking of the "collective consciousness", and a robots' possible ability to tap into that?
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Post by plutronus on Jul 24, 2015 5:48:02 GMT -6
sorry to push this a bit further, but what made "him" (by sound of his voice, possibly intended male) raise his arm? "He" acknowledged by voice that he did not get the "dummy pill". Why the "extra" response? Example: you put three people in a game show. At any one time, one of them may win a special prize. Does that person raise their hand and say 'I won, I won" (sometimes). Or do they do a little celebration dance? Etc., etc. Really kind of weird when you think about, that becoming "self-aware" as/for a robot, will be simply acting like a human . . . . IDK. Should I be thinking of the "collective consciousness", and a robots' possible ability to tap into that? Apparently, (and it is my opinion), any sufficiently dense 'fabric' that exhibits atomic hystereses(pl) may become conscious. As for 'collective-consciousness', apparently, based upon **ALL** of the advanced Spiritual Doctrines the world-over (aside from Christianity in its current degraded form) teach that YHVH (GOD) is **EVERYTHING**. Qabalah asks, "Where is YHVH NOT?" plutronus
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Post by skywalker on Jul 24, 2015 7:27:26 GMT -6
The human brain is pretty much just like a computer. Some human responses were pre-programmed as "instinctive" behavior while others are acquired through learned behavior. We are programmed to gather input via our senses and modify our behavior based on all of that new information. All of our life experiences over time are stored and remembered as knowledge. I see no reason why a computer could not be programmed to be exactly like a human if enough variables are included in the programming.
The real question that I would ask is would it be beneficial to do so? Standard computers can be programmed to be much more efficient at accomplishing certain tasks than humans can. We already have about 7 billion human computers running amok all over the world and they are constantly causing all kinds of problems. What benefit would there be in having a computer that thinks exactly like a human?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 1:15:54 GMT -6
I'm not sure that's something you will personally have to worry about..you seem to drive yours to suicide
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 12:33:41 GMT -6
The human brain is pretty much just like a computer. Some human responses were pre-programmed as "instinctive" behavior while others are acquired through learned behavior. We are programmed to gather input via our senses and modify our behavior based on all of that new information. All of our life experiences over time are stored and remembered as knowledge. I see no reason why a computer could not be programmed to be exactly like a human if enough variables are included in the programming. The real question that I would ask is would it be beneficial to do so? Standard computers can be programmed to be much more efficient at accomplishing certain tasks than humans can. We already have about 7 billion human computers running amok all over the world and they are constantly causing all kinds of problems. What benefit would there be in having a computer that thinks exactly like a human? Humans are very different from computers, because, as you said sky, we are constantly "reprogramming" ourselves. I guess that comes along with "self awareness". This is why language changes. This is why English doesn't sound the same as Chinese. Why French doesn't sound like German. Why the Navajo don't speak the same language as the Cherokee. The reason why Yupik (Northern Alaska Native language) doesn't sound like Athabaskan (Interior Alaska Native language). We humans are constantly changing our thought processes, changing our opinions, "reprogramming" our brains and our perceptions. And yet we get mad at politicians for flip-flopping. Hmmm... The main problem with humanity is a lot of our actions are not the result of logical thinking... our primary goal is self preservation. The instinct to reproduce and "hang" with those who are like us. Those who don't fit into our "clan" or "gang" or "tribe" or "nation" are to be feared and/or hated because they are competition for resources necessary to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 17:11:08 GMT -6
Self preservation and just plain emotional reaction. A robot will always be logical and better they should stay so. I don't want my computer to start crying if I don't use proper shut down procedures and I don't want to think of robots with emotions either. We just don't pay enough attention to things that could happen...troubleshooting I suppose I mean. Self awareness is one of the steps to sentience..that opens up way too many cans of worms to contemplate. People of the same sex just got the right to marry..will robots want that privilege? I know...sounds ridiculous BUT....as long as we're dabbling in that direction..........
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Post by plutronus on Jul 28, 2015 13:59:42 GMT -6
Self preservation and just plain emotional reaction. A robot will always be logical and better they should stay so. I don't want my computer to start crying if I don't use proper shut down procedures and I don't want to think of robots with emotions either. We just don't pay enough attention to things that could happen...troubleshooting I suppose I mean. Self awareness is one of the steps to sentience..that opens up way too many cans of worms to contemplate. People of the same sex just got the right to marry..will robots want that privilege? I know...sounds ridiculous BUT....as long as we're dabbling in that direction.......... JK, Are you suggesting queerly behaving computers? plutronusen.wiktionary.org/wiki/queerlyen.wiktionary.org/wiki/queer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 22:49:03 GMT -6
rolling my eyes...yuk yuk....ewwww
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 10:20:47 GMT -6
sorry to push this a bit further, but what made "him" (by sound of his voice, possibly intended male) raise his arm? "He" acknowledged by voice that he did not get the "dummy pill". Why the "extra" response? Example: you put three people in a game show. At any one time, one of them may win a special prize. Does that person raise their hand and say 'I won, I won" (sometimes). Or do they do a little celebration dance? Etc., etc. Really kind of weird when you think about, that becoming "self-aware" as/for a robot, will be simply acting like a human . . . . IDK. Should I be thinking of the "collective consciousness", and a robots' possible ability to tap into that? Apparently, (and it is my opinion), any sufficiently dense 'fabric' that exhibits atomic hystereses(pl) may become conscious. As for 'collective-consciousness', apparently, based upon **ALL** of the advanced Spiritual Doctrines the world-over (aside from Christianity in its current degraded form) teach that YHVH (GOD) is **EVERYTHING**. Qabalah asks, "Where is YHVH NOT?" plutronus"exhibits atomic . . . " Agreed. Anything made of "Earth-material" is just an extension of He who has no name. _______________________________________________________________________ Which brings me back to another "pressing question" that people (here, and elsewhere) have addressed. THis "robotics" is an example. The question being, such as, in general terms, "How will a Clone be self-aware?" (as opposed to obtaining a "soul": other than in something like an "avatar"). Also, when "ET" materializes on this plane of existence (however anyone wants to quantify that), "they" are also exposed to the Collective Conscious. No more excuses (given to "them") on not knowing how we think. And thus adapting in order to communicate (especially over millenia).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 14:38:11 GMT -6
Well..knowing someone's thoughts doesn't mean being able to empathicly share the feelings..or truly understand them if one doesn't have the emotional similarities. And to me..this will always be the rub. We are ultra emotional beings..it's our gift and our curse..(think Spock). It's what makes us murderous and compassionate..and it's not likely other races will be as emotional as we are. I know the grey's are not. I know they are aware of causing pain but unconcerned with alleviating it. So..yeah..they understood..they didn't give a ...rats tush. We want them to be like us..why I don't know..we're not all that..but it's what we want. We want them to be like us but better..and smarter..and sharing of their technology and all the bells and whistles that could benefit us..because we're a pretty greedy species too. We'd whine and moan about paying a fortune for eggs..when lots of people around the world haven't eaten one in their memory. As for robots..or clones..the whole soul thing would be a nightmare. Aware enough to want the same rights and privileges..denied because of? Something we can't even prove we have...a soul. Or..is it possible that every speck of life..created or hatched or born..comes with a soul? Ain't it grand...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 11:21:57 GMT -6
Just maybe, some of "them" want to be like us . . . (we can sit here and argue all the reasons why it's not so good to be us, including the variety of choices made on a daily basis, and "they" will still apparently be involved with US)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 11:27:04 GMT -6
Driving through Iowa last Friday night, I was trying to catch some zzzzz's, and wouldn't you know that would be the time my son was driving! He kept exclaiming "Hey, Look!" I'd take the pillow off my head, look around, then put the pillow back. I missed it every time. (Friday, July 31, 2015).
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