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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 20, 2015 4:04:20 GMT -6
If any abductees care to answer some questions of mine I would greatly appreciate it.
Does anything good ever come from being abducted? If so, how and what?
Did your visitors ever allow you to ask any of the big questions, and if so did you ask? IE: What's the meaning of life, does God exist etc.
If you had suppressed or blocked memories from the experience, how did you unlock those and remember?
What is telepathy like? Is it like your own voice inside your head speaking to you on their behalf, or is it clearly a different voice? Can you elaborate on what they sounded like, how they communicated or projected their thoughts?
Has anyone on here ever wanted to be abducted, and had it happen?
If any tests or exams were performed on you, was it painful?
If a mindscan or deep stare was performed on you, can you describe what that was like?
When they entered and exited your residence did they teleport, project, walk through the wall? Is it their technology that allows them to do this or are they able to turn to energy to bypass matter do you think?
In your opinion are they malevolent, or do they have a decent or neutral deportment towards us?
Did any of their technology seem familiar to you? Touch screens, monitors etc? Was there any evidence that we have been influenced by their inventions?
If your so inclined provide any further details you would like, the type of alien you were visited by, when it occurred and anything else you would like to add. I am obviously very fascinated by this subject, and believe that I may have been abducted, but if I was the memory is totally blocked out. I do meet some of the criteria for possible abductee. Thanks in advance for any replies, and if I don't get any, well I totally understand not wanting to discuss such a personal and deeply sensitive issue.
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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 20, 2015 4:07:45 GMT -6
PS, if you would rather PM me the answers to these questions feel free.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 20, 2015 18:13:27 GMT -6
We don't have any problem with discussing these subjects, patsbox. In fact we have had several threads on here in the past where we asked a bunch of questions and asked people to fill out the answers. I'm always fascinated by the answers that we get...especially since so many of them sound so similar to one another. I'll answer these when I have a little more time this evening.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 20, 2015 21:53:24 GMT -6
If any abductees care to answer some questions of mine I would greatly appreciate it. Does anything good ever come from being abducted? If so, how and what? Nope. Unless you consider gaining enhanced psychic abilities as being good. Even that I would consider to be mixed because there are both good and bad things about it.Did your visitors ever allow you to ask any of the big questions, and if so did you ask? IE: What's the meaning of life, does God exist etc. Nope. All they did was treat me like a lab rat. Scientists don't answer questions posed by their lab rats. If you had suppressed or blocked memories from the experience, how did you unlock those and remember? Most of my memories were suppressed and much of them still are. The few that I have gained happened by themselves usually as a result of my talking with other people about it on these forums. I think it kinda jars the memory little by little.What is telepathy like? Is it like your own voice inside your head speaking to you on their behalf, or is it clearly a different voice? Can you elaborate on what they sounded like, how they communicated or projected their thoughts? I don't recall any telepathic communication during the actual abduction but I believe I have had it happen since then. Thoughts, images, premonitions and even visions of the future sometimes occur just moments before the events actually take place. I have come to believe that these are warnings about things that are or could happen...it's like somebody is watching over me and giving me an opportunity to change the future before it happens. I know that sounds weird but that's what I believe. I don't actually hear voices...it's more like the information just suddenly is there. It's kind of like you just all of a sudden know.Has anyone on here ever wanted to be abducted, and had it happen? Nope. I have asked them to make contact with me on a couple of occasions and actually got responses but it kind of freaked me out in the process. I wasn't really expecting a reply and it really unnerved me when I got one.If any tests or exams were performed on you, was it painful? yes. Not fun at all.If a mindscan or deep stare was performed on you, can you describe what that was like? I have a dim memory of one of them staring into my eyes and touching me on the forehead in an attempt to calm me down. Don't know if it worked or not. I suppose it might have a little. It was kind of like my brain went a little numb each time she touched my forehead. It felt kind of like the relaxed feeling you get from being drunk.When they entered and exited your residence did they teleport, project, walk through the wall? Is it their technology that allows them to do this or are they able to turn to energy to bypass matter do you think? I don't remember them entering. They were there when I woke up. Everything about what they did seemed technology based though.In your opinion are they malevolent, or do they have a decent or neutral deportment towards us? I don't think they really care one way or another. They seem like scientists to me. Just doing their job and that's it. I suppose they might care in their own way bit their way is so foreign to us that it is hardly recognizable.Did any of their technology seem familiar to you? Touch screens, monitors etc? Was there any evidence that we have been influenced by their inventions? Nothing seemed familiar that I could tell. Everything is way more advanced. I think we have been influenced by their technology, especially following the Roswell crash. There is evidence to support it. Just do some research on memory metal and you will see what I mean.If your so inclined provide any further details you would like, the type of alien you were visited by, when it occurred and anything else you would like to add. I am obviously very fascinated by this subject, and believe that I may have been abducted, but if I was the memory is totally blocked out. I do meet some of the criteria for possible abductee. Thanks in advance for any replies, and if I don't get any, well I totally understand not wanting to discuss such a personal and deeply sensitive issue. I was visited by the typical grey aliens...big heads, black eyes, thin bodies...it first happened in August of 1988. A lot of people seem to have experiences in August for some reason. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. That's what these forums are for.
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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 21, 2015 0:46:11 GMT -6
Wow Sky, very strange to say the least. So if sounds like these things, the Grays, literally are so much more advanced than us we are literally at the level of rats to them. That is an insanely hard pill to swallow, especially if you have been abducted. For what it's worth your answers just provide me further confirmation that the abduction phenomena is real, and not some projected fantasy or traumatic memory distorted by the human brain. So typical of humans though, all throughout the ages we feel entitled and special in the universe. Not to say we aren't amazing, and that human consciousness is nothing. First we were the center of the universe when the world was flat, then we were the center of the solar system, now the main stream accepts we are the most intelligent thing on the planet, and known so far. Seems to me this will be the next big jump for our collective humility, realizing that we are in fact lab rats compared to more advanced beings that are treating us as such.
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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 21, 2015 1:03:12 GMT -6
You mention the way "she" touched you on the forehead. Did you get the impression that there are different genders with the Grays?
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Post by skywalker on Aug 21, 2015 5:34:55 GMT -6
I didn't see any different physical characteristics between sexes in any of them. I just got the feeling that the one touching my forehead was a female.
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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 21, 2015 22:12:39 GMT -6
Can you describe the ship? Lighting, the rooms you were in, exam table if you were on one, details of the technology you witnessed? Can you also provide a physical description to the best of your ability, and if possible provide a picture that most closely resembles your visitors?
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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 21, 2015 22:21:25 GMT -6
Also, did you hear any sounds from the craft, in the craft from the Grays, their technology or anything else? Any smells?
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Post by paulette on Aug 22, 2015 15:52:22 GMT -6
If any abductees care to answer some questions of mine I would greatly appreciate it. Does anything good ever come from being abducted? If so, how and what? Can't answer this yes or no. It was a stand out experience. (I should say, I had pre-experience but was missing time for about 3 hours.)Did your visitors ever allow you to ask any of the big questions, and if so did you ask? IE: What's the meaning of life, does God exist etc. No.If you had suppressed or blocked memories from the experience, how did you unlock those and remember? I got a few more details about "the night" - but I got a lot of smaller memories while being here and reading other's posts and realizing that some of the strange things in my childhood could have UFO/alien related.What is telepathy like? Is it like your own voice inside your head speaking to you on their behalf, or is it clearly a different voice? Can you elaborate on what they sounded like, how they communicated or projected their thoughts? First off, it felt like intense closeness. Like someone you don't know standing way too close and then fixing you with a piercing glance. Then then was a general feeling of whoever it was - much like you'd get a gestalt of someone standing in front of you in a line - how they smell, body posture - aggressively taking up space, shrinking from touch - in this case the Other felt POWERFUL. I sensed that he/she/it heard me but did not reassure me. I passed out/felt asleep in the middle of all of it.Has anyone on here ever wanted to be abducted, and had it happen? When I was a young teen, I knew people who went to the beach and tried to "call" UFOs. They weren't successful. I did NOT want to do this (and didn't). Although I was not then remembering some of my experiences - I had a fearful reaction to the idea.If any tests or exams were performed on you, was it painful? Not retrievable memoriesIf a mindscan or deep stare was performed on you, can you describe what that was like? Overwhelmingly intense. I "told" him/her/it that I was so frightened that I thought I would die. That's when I "fell asleep."When they entered and exited your residence did they teleport, project, walk through the wall? Is it their technology that allows them to do this or are they able to turn to energy to bypass matter do you think? No idea. In your opinion are they malevolent, or do they have a decent or neutral deportment towards us? In the night of the "visitation" - neutral. In dreams - I seem drawn to them and sense some kind of communication.Did any of their technology seem familiar to you? Touch screens, monitors etc? Was there any evidence that we have been influenced by their inventions? ?If your so inclined provide any further details you would like, the type of alien you were visited by, when it occurred and anything else you would like to add. I am obviously very fascinated by this subject, and believe that I may have been abducted, but if I was the memory is totally blocked out. I do meet some of the criteria for possible abductee. Thanks in advance for any replies, and if I don't get any, well I totally understand not wanting to discuss such a personal and deeply sensitive issue. they had contact with my children IMO. They visited a boat I was on, anchored on the northern coast of BC and where in the dreams on me and my stepdaughter.
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Post by lois on Aug 22, 2015 22:04:06 GMT -6
If any abductees care to answer some questions of mine I would greatly appreciate it. Does anything good ever come from being abducted? If so, how and what? Did your visitors ever allow you to ask any of the big questions, and if so did you ask? IE: What's the meaning of life, does God exist etc. If you had suppressed or blocked memories from the experience, how did you unlock those and remember? What is telepathy like? Is it like your own voice inside your head speaking to you on their behalf, or is it clearly a different voice? Can you elaborate on what they sounded like, how they communicated or projected their thoughts? Has anyone on here ever wanted to be abducted, and had it happen? If any tests or exams were performed on you, was it painful? If a mindscan or deep stare was performed on you, can you describe what that was like? When they entered and exited your residence did they teleport, project, walk through the wall? Is it their technology that allows them to do this or are they able to turn to energy to bypass matter do you think? In your opinion are they malevolent, or do they have a decent or neutral deportment towards us? Did any of their technology seem familiar to you? Touch screens, monitors etc? Was there any evidence that we have been influenced by their inventions? If your so inclined provide any further details you would like, the type of alien you were visited by, when it occurred and anything else you would like to add. I am obviously very fascinated by this subject, and believe that I may have been abducted, but if I was the memory is totally blocked out. I do meet some of the criteria for possible abductee. Thanks in advance for any replies, and if I don't get any, well I totally understand not wanting to discuss such a personal and deeply sensitive issue. Telepathy is easy . If you were sitting on your porch and a beautiful shinny red car went by . you think to your self . Wow I would love to have that. did you hear your voice say it? Of course not. The thoughts are put there by ET. I was sitting watching a late movie one night back in the late 80s. A thought came to me. Lois go look out the west window. Now we only had one west window. So the statement was a correct one. I went and there was two moons one a little farther to the North. I told them to get out of my life once and for all. I went back and sat down in my living room. I fought this altered state til about 5 AM . Then I fell asleep. My husband worked nights . He came in at 6 AM. Woke me up. First thing I did was go to the shower and something was burning my ankle really really bad. I looked down at the punctured mark it was runny white fluid. I still carry that scare today. I do not know if sky ever put it on here. I remember mailing the photo to him. Now was I gone between 5 and 6? If so I do not remember. But my mind was back to normal. That is the most scariest thing to experience with Alien contact. I had this happen to me all through my teens but never knew what where or why or how it was happening. I would come to experience this with ufo sightings . Then I knew why. As late as 2012 I have had this happen to me. Feb 4th to be exact. I was taking my garbage back from the curb about nine o clock. I stopped in the driveway to talk to a neighbor who was coming in from work. I only stood there a minute and this came to my mind . Nope! no doubt about it. I told my neighbor I had to get a camera as a ufo was out over my back yard. I had the camera running as I ran to the back of the house. I was that sure. This time I got photos to prove it. You can find them on my experience thread. But it is too long to search . Has to be right after FEB 2012 reply. Sky put them on for me.. One thing I do know they alter your hearing. Each and every sound is 100 times louder. like your on a different frequency . Time slows down. You are running like I did down the drive but you would never know you were as you feel like your running is slow motion. Oh I hate that feeling and I don't like talking about it as it is like reliving it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 14:36:18 GMT -6
Like Sky said..there are several threads here sharing our stories..but to be honest I'd have trouble digging them out. Many of us had strong similarities..Sky and I do for sure and others. The encounters may differ some. My friend and I were out horseback riding when we were 16 and we 'lost' time. That's what started it..I've remembered a lot..I think she never will..she was too terrified. They were grey's.
Does anything good ever come of it? No. I had psychic abilities before..I think that is what attracts them and it wasn't exactly my first encounter...I had one when I was 6. It seems to enhance the abilities. It does open the door for more paranormal happenings..makes a person more aware and adaptable. I am not sure I would call these things a plus.
Neither of us could speak. They never spoke. Just restraining mental force. Screaming from my friend..frozen from my own perspective.
Memories started coming back in flashbacks although I already remembered some things from that day. A burn mark on my neck..the missing time..a feeling of terrible fear and running from it..The majority of memory started coming back in my late twenties or early thirties..
They were not communicating at all..just controlling. A horrible pressure in my head if I struggled. Three of them standing over my friend trying to stop her struggles and fear..One over me muffling my mind...just the horrific pressure like someone squeezing your brain..best description I can come up with.
I don't think I know of a case where someone wanted to be abducted and it happened..they choose..not us. Like I said..I think they pick those they can mentally hear very strongly.
Yes..there were a lot of tests..all painful because they didn't choose to elevate pain. If they were aware of it they didn't care. I felt them very cold and callous..that was my mental impression. They seemed repulsed and seemed revolted by the touch of us. They took blood, eye ball fluid, brain cells, spinal fluid, urine, feces. Needles into the eyeball...through the naval..in the arm ..in the ear..vaginally..anally. I had a long red mark along my neck that I remember came from something very cold not hot. It peeled and healed over night. I have a very high tolerance for pain that I think came from all of this.
They came into my home when I was 6 ..one of them did. It placed something in my left ear and it has buzzed every day since. It felt like an insect crawling in my ear and it was making angry insect like noise that eventually settled into the constant buzz. No one has ever found a reason for the noise or found anything in my ear. I never saw how that one got in..it was just there in my bedroom at night. Naturally as a child I was terrified. As a teenager I was terrified. I don't like them.
How they seem to feel about us. I don't call them malevolent or evil. They looked down at us..we were definitely lower in their minds..like we would think of a monkey maybe...or some pet. Callous. They were scientists doing a job..gathering what they came for. They weren't trying to be mean..but they were not concerned with being 'nice' either. Our feelings didn't matter.
As for technology..some things I could recognize..there was a deep blue light and do this day I am drawn to that shade of electric blue. We were on tables..that were like ceramic..not metal..I think. The temperature was cold. I never saw the ship. We were riding horses and they obviously could control them but they stuck us back on the wrong ones....I was on her horse she was on mine. I still don't remember what must be at least half of it..but I'm also not sure I want to because I think our brains try to protect us from what it can't decipher. Which is why some of us associate them with other predators..sharks..spiders..for me it's grasshoppers..I hate them..shudder. Sky is sharks. Big eyes and frightening. Our brains don't have another reference so it provides the closest it can. This is what I've come to believe. I don't find them fascinating at all.
There are others here who have had encounters with aliens they believe are good and kind. I wish that were they type I met. I just accept it now..answer if someone asks..but I don't volunteer it any more. I don't think about it that much anymore because I've schooled myself not to. When I first came here..or the other forum first..I was very angry..but finding others with similar experiences is cathartic..it helps to talk.
I know they watch..they have me 'lojacked' as they do all of us who were abducted. They have probably followed us..followed our children.
We do an experiment here..or we have. At an appointed time..we think of the same thing..and try to gather information (remote viewing). One of the things we tried was Sky's abduction. The after feelings were intense and I could 'feel' eyes everywhere watching me..peering out of the darkness..letting me know..they were close. They are creepy little gits. Luck with your information gathering.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 24, 2015 18:53:29 GMT -6
Yup...that pretty much describes my thoughts exactly. Nice to see you drop by again, Jo.
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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 24, 2015 21:57:24 GMT -6
I have read pretty much all of the threads about personal abduction experiences. I just wanted to post my own questions and get some direct answers from abductees. Personally I find it much more interesting to have someone answer me forthright then to dig through posts to find answers. And thank you BTW for everyone that has responded. I sincerely appreciate you guys openly discussing such a traumatic experience.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 23:09:20 GMT -6
You're welcome Patsbox7..hope it helps. There is one thing I'll mention. One of the 'clues' that someone has had an encounter or abduction...is a growing fascination with the subject. It lands people in places like this one because they're driven to understand. Have you had any feelings like you were abducted? I just noticed the question about smells. They had a distinct odor..sort of a cross between faint cat urine and some spice. It hangs with you. As for gender..I didn't see or feel any 'gender' types.
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Post by paulette on Aug 25, 2015 12:45:09 GMT -6
".there was a deep blue light and do this day I am drawn to that shade of electric blue." - jokelly Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/5942/abductees?page=1#ixzz3jqzVhhEvThere it is again. The drawn to aspect of being an aductee or contact person. Even though the actual experience was unpleasant, terrifying even. They make us "theirs" somehow - in my opinion. This is clearer to me in dreams on this subject than my scattered experiences. I am called. I go outside.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 13:18:47 GMT -6
I have read pretty much all of the threads about personal abduction experiences. I just wanted to post my own questions and get some direct answers from abductees. I'm impressed! I've done the same, and couldn't make it through my own. LOL. About the direct answers? Logical it's easier. Interesting? Have you ever studied statistics?? I think you just might trust our answers because of the time we've put into the information on this website. LOL. _________________________________________________________________________ The only thing I would add, is I did get an opportunity to ask some questions of "somebody". I even recall some laughter at my questions. I used to remember the conversation. Now, I can only say I had it. and that in itself doesn't feel "real" anymore . . very vague memory, of sitting up from a laying down position, turning my body on a table/platform, and asking away. Some day I'll probably say that it was a conversation with my own doctor after an exam. One reason its so important to document.
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Post by paulette on Aug 25, 2015 17:24:25 GMT -6
Here's a little serendipity. I heard the end of a discuss with this author while driving home after doing chores around town. Something happened to her when she was 16 and sent the night and next day in the California mountains. She had a male companion but he doesn't seem to show up in the story. She wrote: Living with a Wild God after revisiting her old journals that she wrote while she was trying to process what happened (she still doesn't know). Here's a link from a review of the book: www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/books/review/living-with-a-wild-god-by-barbara-ehrenreich.html?_r=0I think if she talked to us she might have another possible interpretation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 20:30:25 GMT -6
Here's a little serendipity. I heard the end of a discuss with this author while driving home after doing chores around town. Something happened to her when she was 16 and sent the night and next day in the California mountains. She had a male companion but he doesn't seem to show up in the story. She wrote: Living with a Wild God after revisiting her old journals that she wrote while she was trying to process what happened (she still doesn't know). Here's a link from a review of the book: www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/books/review/living-with-a-wild-god-by-barbara-ehrenreich.html?_r=0I think if she talked to us she might have another possible interpretation. Wow! Sounds like a good read. The author of the article on Ehrenreichs book, calling her "rudderless", just lets us know there is no end to the story. " And however we define that mystery, there’s no escaping our essential obligation to it, for it may, as Ehrenreich writes, “be seeking us out.”This to me, is the statement of someone who is Awake. No prosletysing-whatever on my part, here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 20:54:13 GMT -6
_________________________________________________________________________ The only thing I would add, is I did get an opportunity to ask some questions of "somebody". I even recall some laughter at my questions. I used to remember the conversation. Now, I can only say I had it. and that in itself doesn't feel "real" anymore . . very vague memory, of sitting up from a laying down position, turning my body on a table/platform, and asking away. Some day I'll probably say that it was a conversation with my own doctor after an exam. One reason its so important to document. I had to come back. When I was writing the above (I don't know exactly why, but . .) it was important to me to portray the event as if, if someone wanted to, they could go away from this with the conclusion that it was a benevolent event. During my prayer time a little later, the 'logical me' had another memory. First of all, anyone who's sat on an examining table in a doctor's office in the last 40 years, knows they can't swing their legs without hitting the structure under the table. And swing my legs, I did. My first thought on that was wow! I was a kid ! (but kids can't swing their legs either; in any pediatrician office that I know of; with the drawers and whatnot underneath). Anyway, I didn't have to be a kid; anybody else swing their legs a bit on a stool, etc. before they catch themselves at it? nervous foot, anyone? Anyway. The "conversation" I had, I also chose at the time to try to hide my emotions. The laughter was not good-natured. The whole thing felt "sinister". My last memory of the "event" is struggling to stay under my own power, and getting (very unsteadily) off of that table.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 21:16:40 GMT -6
If any abductees care to answer some questions of mine I would greatly appreciate it. Does anything good ever come from being abducted? If so, how and what? I have no idea. Did your visitors ever allow you to ask any of the big questions, and if so did you ask? IE: What's the meaning of life, does God exist etc. Nope. I was too terrified to ask any such questions and I was only 8 years old. If you had suppressed or blocked memories from the experience, how did you unlock those and remember? I only remember the one incident. I've had a lot of nightmares though about other incidents but they are mostly vague, hazy and dream-like. What is telepathy like? Is it like your own voice inside your head speaking to you on their behalf, or is it clearly a different voice? Can you elaborate on what they sounded like, how they communicated or projected their thoughts? It was clearly a different voice. The voice I heard was distinctively male. A young high-tenor sounding voice, like an older teenage boy or a young man in his early 20s. It wasn't actually a "sound" per say... it was more of a voice in the head. I really don't know how to describe it other than that... it was there. And I had no control over it at all. Like it was forced into my mind, loud and clear. Has anyone on here ever wanted to be abducted, and had it happen? Not I. If any tests or exams were performed on you, was it painful? I don't remember any exams or tests with any clarity. For this I am thankful. If a mindscan or deep stare was performed on you, can you describe what that was like? Terrifying. I could sense he was in my head looking for something. He got right up into my face and stared at me and I thought for sure I was going to die. He touched my forehead with a finger (I think) and my eyes closed and my whole body went off into a trance. I felt like I was floating. I was still aware of the presence of his mind, he was looking for something... something inside my head. He caught me observing his scan and I sensed a brief emotion. "Awww, how cute!" without the actual words, but it was that very emotion. It was there, then it was gone. An extremely brief emotional reaction. Then I felt myself drifting farther and farther away. After that, I heard the voice speak to me. "Everything is going to be alright. You are going to go to sleep now, and when you wake up this will alllll seem like a dream...." then I woke up in my bed- I had fallen asleep in a different room but had been moved to my bed. When they entered and exited your residence did they teleport, project, walk through the wall? Is it their technology that allows them to do this or are they able to turn to energy to bypass matter do you think? I have no idea. I never saw them enter or exit. I awoke and they were there, then I drifted off and woke up in a different room and they were all gone. In your opinion are they malevolent, or do they have a decent or neutral deportment towards us? No idea. Did any of their technology seem familiar to you? Touch screens, monitors etc? Was there any evidence that we have been influenced by their inventions? No idea. Some people say they obtained technology from Roswell but who knows for sure?
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Post by patsbox7 on Aug 25, 2015 21:58:51 GMT -6
I remember reading your report Lorelei. The "aww how cute, she is mind scanning me back" part stands out from the crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 22:20:56 GMT -6
. . . and, very meaningful IMO.
Most people would rather believe that "they" had no emotional response, whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 4:33:49 GMT -6
Personally...I'd have (in retrospect) more ease if they had some emotional response. The fact that they did not (the ones I encountered) was all the more terrifying. On the other hand..going through their little field trip of horror might have seemed a lot more bizarre if they'd used the word 'cute'. Sort of like...being stuck in the eye with a needle while someone sings a lullaby. That probably would have done it for my brain right then and there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 9:55:14 GMT -6
Personally...I'd have (in retrospect) more ease if they had some emotional response. The fact that they did not (the ones I encountered) was all the more terrifying. On the other hand..going through their little field trip of horror might have seemed a lot more bizarre if they'd used the word 'cute'. Sort of like...being stuck in the eye with a needle while someone sings a lullaby. That probably would have done it for my brain right then and there. Totally Agree.It's also what makes this whole phenomenon so weird.Patsbox, have you read the account of the guy seeing a "glowing raccoon", and it possibly talking to him? That story makes it through all the hogwash, because of who had it. LOL. Why, did something, approach THIS guy like this?IMO, like in Jo's case, some of "them" are just "shells". Robotic, but maybe part organic. I started reading one of Whitley strieber's books not long ago, and he mentions an "event" where these "guys" proudly opened some drawers for him to see what "they" can put on? Like a suit of clothes that is whole body form? And, can the visit be done by a "shell", that is actually a type of "drone", remotely or telepathically controlled by "someone" else? Are "they" so advanced, that even this "shell" can show the users' (telepathic user of the "shell") distaste for touching a human? All we can do is speculate. And "they" like it, that we can only speculate. And yes, me saying that "they" LIKE it, I'm giving "them" an emotional response. Distaste is an emotional response. Some of "them", IMO, don't have the capacity for our (human) range of emotions. Thus we get a lot of inappropriate "banter"(more like one word, one sentence). I can see what Jo described above, the lullaby scenario, actually happening to someone. AAAAAAAaargh! Either unintentionally, or intentional. I can picture a "scientist" picking up a kitten, with it's skull cap removed and electrodes attached, and talking to it sweetly (all in the name of science, of course). ~ shudder ~ "They've" been around long enough to learn something from us. Or, is it the other way around? Can a "robotic being" learn?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 12:26:37 GMT -6
I don't think there's anything they want to learn from us..but that's personal opinion. We keep trying to put a 'human' spin on this because it's all we have.. I think trying to paint them with humanity is a misleading and bad idea for future encounters. In Korea I believe it is..the family pets and loves on the dog they're going to toss in the stew pot..because a happy dog is a happy meal..over here that seems hideous. If other countries don't even think alike...how in the world would other worldly folk?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 9:17:59 GMT -6
Oh wow. There's the eye-opener.
I don't think "they" want to, or are really able to, learn FROM. . . not that kind of "learning".
I'm talking about adjusting to the environment they are working in, so they are "efficient" in getting their job done. Seriously.
I'm pondering reasons why "they" don't always use their "tranquilizer gun" (human term, there).
Maybe they always do.
And that's where we come in. We wake up, etc. We pull our tags off, etc.
darn us humans!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 9:52:03 GMT -6
Telepathy is easy . If you were sitting on your porch and a beautiful shinny red car went by . you think to your self . Wow I would love to have that. did you hear your voice say it? Of course not.. . . ( The thoughts are put there by ET) The thoughts are put there by ET. . . . I was sitting watching a late movie one night back in the late 80s. A thought came to me. Lois go look out the west window. Now we only had one west window. So the statement was a correct one. I went and there was two moons one a little farther to the North. I told them to get out of my life once and for all. I went back and sat down in my living room. I fought this altered state til about 5 AM . Then I fell asleep. Ok. Lois, I have a lot of respect for you, as you know. I don't want to sound like I question your insight. Recently, I questioned (on another thread) Plutronus. His insight was that the voice he heard telepathically was a "remote viewer". Remote viewer is accurate in that "someone is watching, and they use the opportunity to say something to you, telepathically". But I hadn't thought of it in those general terms, ya know? So there it is. I can't get around asking the question. Lois, what makes you so sure that ET told you to go look out the window? I understand that the "telepathic voice" didn't say "hey, Lois, there's an ET out the window" as if one of us told you to go look . . . I mean, really, why would "they" alert you to their presence? Do you have to see them first, to get abducted? Does a person have to go outside, to be abducted? Obviously you, Lois, are someone who can get pictures (proof, in the old days). Are "they" posing for you, or is someone else aware that you can take pictures, etc, so you are given the 'heads up, they're here!" The altered state. Can you think of other times this altered state may have been present, just not for this length of time? (a pleasant altered state can be uncomfortable, too, if you have it too long).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 10:18:09 GMT -6
Looks like I'm talking to myself. That is how James Lovelock discovered Gaia; from outer space. In the 1960’s, during the space race which followed the launching of Sputnik, he was asked by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and NASA to help design experiments to detect life on Mars. The Viking lander gathered and tested some Martian soil for life with no results. Lovelock had predicted as much, by analyzing the atmosphere of Mars: it is in a dead equilibrium. By contrast, the atmosphere of Earth is in a "far from equilibrium" state - meaning that there was some other complex process going on which maintained such an unlikely balance. It occurred to him that if the Viking lander had landed on the frozen waste of Antarctica, it might not have found any trace of life on Earth either. But a sure giveaway would be a complete atmospheric analysis... which the Viking lander was not equipped to do. Lovelock’s approach was not popular at NASA because NASA needed a good reason to land on Mars, and the best was to look for life. Viking found nothing on Mars, but Lovelock had seen the Earth from the perspective of an ET looking for evidence of life. And he began thinking that what he was seeing was not so much a planet adorned with diverse life forms, but a planet transfigured and transformed by a self-evolving and self-regulating living system. By the nature of its activity it seemed to qualify as a living being. He named that being Gaia, after the Greek goddess which drew the living world forth from Chaos. "The name of the living planet, Gaia, is not a synonym for the biosphere-that part of the Earth where living things are seen normally to exist. Still less is Gaia the same as the biota, which is simply the collection of all individual living organisms. The biota and the biosphere taken together form a part but not all of Gaia. Just as the shell is part of the snail, so the rocks, the air, and the oceans are part of Gaia. Gaia, as we shall see, has continuity with the past back to the origins of life, and in the future as long as life persists. Gaia, as a total planetary being, has properties that are not necessarily discernable by just knowing individual species or populations of organisms living together... Specifically, the Gaia Hypothesis says that the temperature, oxidation, state, acidity, and certain aspects of the rocks and waters are kept constant, and that this homeostasis is maintained by active feedback processes operated automatically and unconsciously by the biota." Even the shifting of the tectonic plates, resulting in the changing shapes of the continents, may result from the massive limestone deposits left in the earth by bioforms eons ago. "You may find it hard to swallow the notion that anything as large and apparently inanimate as the Earth is alive. Surely, you may say, the Earth is almost wholly rock, and nearly all incandescent with heat. The difficulty can be lessened if you let the image of a giant redwood tree enter your mind. The tree undoubtedly is alive, yet 99% of it is dead. The great tree is an ancient spire of dead wood, made of lignin and cellulose by the ancestors of the thin layer of living cells which constitute its bark. How like the Earth, and more so when we realize that many of the atoms of the rocks far down into the magma were once part of the ancestral life of which we all have come." The root question of Gaia’s critics, and a central point in his theory concerns the difference between a planetary environment which might only be the aggregate result of myriad independent life forms coevolving and sharing the same host, and one which is ultimately created by life forms deployed, so to speak, to accomplish the purpose of the larger being. from www.bibliotecapleyades.net/gaia/esp_gaia03.htm___________________________________________________________________________________ ET looking at us from Space. This "particular bunch" we became more aware of, because "they" seemed to take interest in our atomic tests. I venture to say, that "one" group noticed this from Space. And another group noticed this from another dimension.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 10:35:01 GMT -6
I am not trying to talk 'for' Lois...but I understand the process she's talking about. You just know and it amounts to an act of faith that you trust that knowing. If someone doesn't have it..it's hard to share it. I've had many over the years..and I'm sure missed many more...that I questioned. The most interesting for me..the most profound was the gift I was given when I was having a very hard time holding myself together. The song that played over and over in my brain until I thought I'd go nuts..but when acknowledged..switched to a phone number repeating until I got tired of it and called it..and the answering machine played the dang song. If I had reacted sooner..I'd have spared myself the frustration. It was only given for the purpose of validation..to help my flagging faith. It is faith in ourselves. We're not always going to have proof..we're not always going to be shown we're right. It's not some boolean thing where there is only a yes or no. In receiving a 'message' you have the proof that the unseen world exists...and if called upon or needed..responds. I don't know that 'alien' beings or creatures fall into the unseen world category but maybe something in that direction does want us to be aware of them. As a threat? As a 'heads up'? I don't think my abductors called out to me to go riding into a particular area the day I ran into them..I think they knew I'd go that way and set up their little road block because it suited their purpose. And yes I just 'think' that..I don't 'know' it.
We don't always get the answers we want..we don't always get any answers. I know so very little. But what I do know is that faith is the key. Faith in yourself..that prayer DOES work..that there ARE angels and a God that oversees it all...name him what you will..he doesn't care. I know..when that persistence goes off in my head it's a gift to be listened to..but I'll not always know why until maybe years later. And for those who hear it..it just IS.
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