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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 10:27:29 GMT -6
Just don't let it make your mind go "numb", Swamp!
What gets me, is how EXACTLY did this happen?? So many people "predicting" this. . And HOW can we recover??
re - cover, being the "operative" word here.
How can we possibly have changed our ideas on "Irun" in such short of a time??
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Post by skywalker on Jun 15, 2016 20:05:35 GMT -6
What happened to swampy's post?
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Post by swamprat on Jun 15, 2016 20:08:45 GMT -6
Hmmm...... Good question, Sky.
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Post by swamprat on Jun 16, 2016 9:33:20 GMT -6
However, the last thing I want to do is turn TEOR into one of those forums full of political snippets. We have better things to talk about!
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Post by plutronus on Jun 17, 2016 18:18:09 GMT -6
However, the last thing I want to do is turn TEOR into one of those forums full of political snippets. We have better things to talk about! :) What about the US Constitution and our inalienable right to freedom of speech in public forums? TEOR has inbuilt sickness which is controlled by one person's myopic opinion, and which frequently does not represent mine. It is also a strong reason I seldom hang my hat here. plutronusprophet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 7:16:10 GMT -6
However, the last thing I want to do is turn TEOR into one of those forums full of political snippets. We have better things to talk about! What about the US Constitution and our inalienable right to freedom of speech in public forums? TEOR has inbuilt sickness which is controlled by one person's myopic opinion, and which frequently does not represent mine. It is also a strong reason I seldom hang my hat here. plutronusprophet I am truly sorry that you feel this way. I have never seen you "negative about US" until now; after several (mild) political discussions. Just one year ago you were referring people to TEOR on a radio show. I sincerely hope that you will rethink this latest comment. We have all had our share of bad moods/ feelings, and I think it is especially important to not blame one and another for ANY of it. Of course I think "something" is trying to manipulate you. Of course you have the right to express that opinion, just as I have the right to remind you that you should be chasing those negative thoughts away; its not you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 10:07:26 GMT -6
People change JC, sometimes not for the better. His is the option to NOT come here..which I think would be much more preferable to his coming and insulting. Don't you??
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Post by skywalker on Jun 18, 2016 10:39:25 GMT -6
People get upset when their posts get deleted. I'm sure I wouldn't be happy If it happened to me.
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Post by paulette on Jun 18, 2016 11:16:28 GMT -6
I obviously missed something here. Maybe we should have a review of what the moderators deem acceptable/not acceptable. Censorship is what drove most of us off the earlier boards. And we were dismissed from importance by Mufon.
Imagine that we all have large jigsaw puzzles with pieces of all colors. If we are curious (many aren't) we start putting to together. This is my metaphor for examining my life and trying to see what fits with what. In our boxes we have pieces that fit together with other people's stories as well. Although not completely or perfectly. That is my metaphor for TEOR.
Over the years I've read things here and elsewhere that I just couldn't believe. But then again, its not necessary for me to believe everything about another's story. It may be outside my frame of believability. Nevertheless, some of my pieces are very similar to some of the pieces in even a wild story (such as Randy used to tell).
I value all the variations nevertheless. I also know that we here have been discredited and if we revealed our stories to others we probably got the look. I remember telling someone I had known for years about one of my experiences and he literally stepped back from me, shook his head, and said, "I don't do UFO stories." Our friendship cooled substancially and in fact, I don't him and his wife (once a best friend) anymore. I can't blame only this, but then again...
I see this board as a sanctuary where one can say pretty much anything. That's what I value about it. So...deleted posts? Anger about deleted posts? I donno. I think a personal message first might have been a good start. But,I AM NOT A MODERATOR and value the people who are for spending their time managing this board. Even as I question what happened, I want my thanks to them to ring out clearly.
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Post by swamprat on Jun 18, 2016 11:24:10 GMT -6
TEOR Rules and Regulations
"8. Members should not discriminate against anybody due to race, religion, political views, gender, or any other social, ethical or other attribute. While freedom of speech is encouraged and promoted, please do not use that freedom to commit slander or otherwise offensive remarks." Folks, please understand, when it comes to politics, (as well as religion), it is sometimes difficult to determine what might be offensive to someone else. Freedom of speech or not, I have no problem with political or religious posts that get deleted because they were judged offensive to some. This is not a street corner; it is a forum for folks interested in UFOs, extra-terrestrials, psychic phenomenon, and other mysteries of our world. This forum is under-utilized as it is. I don't want ANYONE leaving because they were offended or insulted.
We live in a world FULL of friction, discord, hatred, and violence. We certainly don't need those things on TEOR.
PEACE!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 15:21:38 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here needs to be protected from another person's thoughts. We all have a right to express as long as it's not in some hideous vulgar language. We have a right to decide if the person is venting, nuts, anti-social or just plain mean. No one likes their posts eliminated...I sure wouldn't. So what if someone goes on a rant about the nasty ole government or how things are run either on an official level or in here. Don't have to agree...don't have to own it or read it...but maybe it's just a troubled, misguided soul who needs a good womp up the side of the noodle to set em straight. Can we not jump the gun about deleting posts just because we can? We're big kids. There are people who I disagree with 99 percent of the time, Plutronus happens to be once such individual..maybe the only such...but I read his posts and I'll still advocate his right to post here...UNLESS it's vulgar and disgusting language. So what if he doesn't like us or agree with the way the forum is run? Won't hurt a thing will it? Won't change a thing will it? A really wise person once told me that there are so many skirmishes in life one should always use care in picking their battles. Make sure they're worth fighting over or for. In a popularity poll...the ones who run the forum don't have to worry about a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 15:24:53 GMT -6
And I am so happy for that
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Post by skywalker on Jun 18, 2016 19:36:20 GMT -6
Plutronus isn't the bad guy in any of this. Neither is good old lovable swampy. Personally I don't think either of their posts should have been deleted but the other moderators have the option to use their best judgement. I understand the point of view from both sides and they each have valid arguments. Censorship is not something that I approve of but we don't want the forum to turn into a cesspool of political bickering either. I see enough of that on Facebook and other internet websites. Let's try to keep things friendly and paranormal here. Hopefully there won't be any bad feelings from any of this. I like both Plutronus and swampy. They both post some really cool stuff.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 18, 2016 19:54:01 GMT -6
Folks, please understand, when it comes to politics, (as well as religion), it is sometimes difficult to determine what might be offensive to someone else. Freedom of speech or not, I have no problem with political or religious posts that get deleted because they were judged offensive to some. This is not a street corner; it is a forum for folks interested in UFOs, extra-terrestrials, psychic phenomenon, and other mysteries of our world. This forum is under-utilized as it is. I don't want ANYONE leaving because they were offended or insulted.
We live in a world FULL of friction, discord, hatred, and violence. We certainly don't need those things on TEOR.
PEACE!
SwampratBTW, Mr swampy is a very wise and level-headed dude, unlike the two hot-headed administrators "quick-draw" auntym and "Yosemite" sky. The world and the forum could use more people as gracious as he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 20:54:53 GMT -6
I absolutely agree with that. Swampie IS about the most level headed person here...I've always valued this forum as one that was open minded...if it is going to be anything different...I do not need to be here. I don't have to agree with anyone's point of view but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to see another view point. On the flip side of that...adults should be able to state what they mean..express their point then allow for that next guys. It does not have to turn into hostility. In any election...half of the people will not be happy.. half will be. Life is too short to develop all of this angst over any politician. Want to change it?? Run for office. Anything anyone wants to say can be said civilly and that should be the only reason to delete something...in my opinion. Ya know..it's so simple..don't like a debate...don't read it.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 18, 2016 21:33:07 GMT -6
I agree completely, jo. I'm all in favor of freedom of speech. Luckily stuff like this doesn't happen very often and the people involved have been very civil about it. This incident is just a molehill that's being turned into a slightly bigger molehill. No damage has been done...I hope.
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Post by auntym on Jun 18, 2016 22:23:56 GMT -6
wellllll...i guess its my turn to say my piece on this subject...
the 5 or 6 years i've been on here i have only deleted 3 or 4 times...
whether or not any of you agree...any person posting anything inflammatory, should be deleted...because it doesn't belong here... i'm sorry none of you agree with that
it would have been nice to have an administrator that backed me up, but, he never did...because he was too afraid of losing members & so called friends... i, on the other hand, was happy when the troublemakers left...
this is a paranormal forum anything political (unless it has to do with ufos) doesn't belong here...there are other forums that would welcome the challenge...
i can see the writing on the wall...sooo, to be honest & true to myself...i can't work on a forum that doesn't understand that...especially the administrator...
i'm just tired of all the crap, i am giving up both positions on here and twitter...
and fyi...
plutronus is a trouble maker looking for a place to post his poison...let him go...
swamprat is a sweetheart whom i've always liked ever since the early days of mufon... he's a keeper...
i'll drop by from time to time but i won't post...
it's been wonderful knowing all of you and i will miss you...i wish all of you the best...
auntym
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 1:27:31 GMT -6
What happened? Aunty? Sky? Plutronus? What...? Did I miss something? Probably a lot... Huh?
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Post by swamprat on Jun 19, 2016 10:30:14 GMT -6
Please don't leave, Auntym! TEOR NEEDS you! You are one of the few posters who is on here every day!
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jun 19, 2016 11:45:01 GMT -6
You would think after doing this for all these years that I would know what I was doing but apparently I still don't have a clue. So let me explain the situation. Swamprat made a post that was politically oriented. He didn't do anything wrong, he's just a patriotic American citizen who was wondering why the country seems to be going downhill. I wonder the same thing myself sometimes. Auntym thought the post was objectionable for a variety of reasons so she deleted it. She didn't do anything wrong either. It was her judgment call. She did the same thing that any moderator on any forum on the internet would do. That's what a moderator's job is. Swampy had no problem with what happened. He wasn't upset, he wasn't angry...everything was fine. As far as I was concerned that was the end of it. The situation with Plutronus' post being deleted is something that happened several months ago but apparently he still has hard feelings about it. I'm sorry he feels that way but I don't blame him. Like I said, people get upset when their posts get deleted. I would probably get upset if mine were deleted too but mine never get deleted so it's not something that I have to deal with. Plutronus did not do anything wrong though. Neither did auntym or swampy or jo or jcurio or paulette or anybody else. This latest incident is all just some minor little insignificant thing that somehow got blown way out of proportion. It's not something that people should be getting upset about, and they certainly should not be quitting over. As far as the topic of censorship is concerned, let me just say that I am very strongly in favor of freedom of speech. I think people should be allowed to say whatever they want to say. I also think that people should be mature enough to be able to engage in discussions without allowing their emotions to get the better of them. Unfortunately, that is not always the case. All you have to do is take a look at facebook and you can see that. Anytime anybody makes a political comment, regardless of what it is, they are immediately bombarded with a cacophony of comments from people who are all trying to promote their political agenda. After that it usually devolves into insults and name calling and quickly becomes a mud-slinging contest with people losing their tempers. I know one person who recently lost their best friend of more than 60 years because of a political disagreement. They don't even speak to each other anymore. We don't need any stuff like that happening here. This forum has never been like that, it isn't like that now and it never will be like that because the people here are all mature individuals who can engage in friendly, respectful conversations without going nuts. That's why we don't have any censorship here. Auntym said that she has only deleted a handful of things since she has been here, and that's true. She doesn't delete stuff very often. I have deleted a lot more stuff than she has. I've even booted people off before. In fact, I've booted people off before anybody else even knew they were here. I don't consider that censorship though because what those people did was way over the line. That is not at all what happened in this case. Nobody here did anything wrong. Nobody is to blame for anything. Everything is fine. I would appreciate it if y'all would go back to being the wonderful group of people that you are because this has all been just a big misunderstanding. It's all good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 14:32:35 GMT -6
This is way too much drama over something without much importance...and now it IS becoming a big deal. Auntie I would hate it if you left but I'd hate it too if Plutronus went away. I don't believe for a minute he's a trouble maker but he is inflammatory and opinionated. He doesn't have to be agreed with...he doesn't have to agree with anyone..but why is it wrong for him to state his feelings and opinions? We all have the same option of not reading it. I disagree with him most of the time but that doesn't mean I don't like hearing his opinions. He usually..says what he's thinking without being vulgar about it. He's not the only person here with a bit of an inflated ego. We all have opinions...we ALL think we are right about them...the fact that we differ just means we're not clones. Auntie you have a horrid job..really. You do most of the work in here and probably don't get nearly the thanks you deserve. As top dog...if a post needs to be eliminated..I think you should drop that in Sky's lap..it's his forum ...let him be axe man if such there needs to be. I didn't want the responsibility. This forum may be about the paranormal but it's been a place for a lot of other discussions. I don't think any of us want that to change. UFO's and abductions and the occasional fairy sighting..get old..people want to talk..discuss..even vent. Why is that a bad thing? I hope things can continue just as they were before all of this broohaha and that you'll stay Auntie. At the rate Sky kills off computers who in the world is going to hunt for and post articles? Pathetically...he needs you desperately...and we all care about you...so if you leave..we all may as well just go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 23:20:56 GMT -6
What happened to swampy's post? Fess Up. Here's something really pathetic. ME, being obviously insulting. Wanting to get "a rise" out of someone. My "mouth was moving", but I hope it is realised that my mind was doing something internally that was completely opposite. I'm fessing up. Would you please forgive me?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 23:30:40 GMT -6
People change JC, sometimes not for the better. His is the option to NOT come here..which I think would be much more preferable to his coming and insulting. Don't you?? No. I don't think so. We have had MUCH WORSE. Including Steve- until he shaped up. Sometimes people just need to be reminded. If I remember correctly, Aunty reminded Randy several times, the last time he was here, about something he was doing wrong. He made a choice. Other people that HAD to be told to leave, were also warned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 23:35:20 GMT -6
Hmmm...... Good question, Sky. Swampy; the jokester. He could have deleted himself. I've deleted myself. Anyone else deleted themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 23:42:58 GMT -6
TEOR has inbuilt sickness which is controlled by one person's myopic opinion, and which frequently does not represent mine. It is also a strong reason I seldom hang my hat here. plutronusprophet Any one ELSE think TEOR has inbuilt sickness and is controlled/manipulated by ONE person? How many visitors got the "flu" yesterday, alone? What is the LEAST number of "visitors" we've had in one day??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 23:52:40 GMT -6
Last but definitely not least,
wHAt IS THAT MYoPic opinion, anyway?
Can someone PLEASE help me find my way to that ONE opinion?! I would be forever grateful!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 0:11:14 GMT -6
whether or not any of you agree...any person posting anything inflammatory, should be deleted...because it doesn't belong here... i'm sorry none of you agree with that Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/6521/blink-eye#ixzz4C64eEpNU***** BTW, whether or not it matters to anyone other than myself, I do agree with that. Though Rule #8 clearly mentions slander, there are other laws not so well known that pertain to "being inflammatory in such a way as to INCITE VIOLENCE".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 0:14:17 GMT -6
Self deleted.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 0:53:33 GMT -6
From "anyone else"
We all know it is considered B.S.
Drop it? I don't think that's a good idea.
You can ask me to shutup, and say thanks a bit early, but I want this fixed!
Whatever it takes. I dont want to rehash this every 6 mo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 9:01:47 GMT -6
JC..how do you 'fix' something that is an assortment of opinions? We can agree to disagree..we can move forward past this point (advisable) but I don't think it needs to be 'fixed'. It was done. Auntie made her decision and that needs to be the finish of it. As cliff said..we need to just move past it. Way too much drama to keep this going and to no good purpose other than airing the same things over and over and risk more hurt feelings. Sort of like the paranormal...you either believe or you don't. I said what I thought and felt..to me that's more than enough. I'm not likely to try to bash people into looking at something from my direction.
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