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Post by lois on Apr 9, 2011 20:59:26 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Apr 9, 2011 21:35:00 GMT -6
A world without fear is a scary idea. If nobody is afraid of anything does that mean they would not be afraid of going to prison or being punished for committing crimes? So what would stop them from robbing, raping and murdering everybody in sight? They wouldn't be afraid of getting shot by the police or losing their families or dying...the world would be a huge mess. I can just imagine all the lawsuits that would be filed...especially since nobody would be afraid of being sued!
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Post by heidihybrid on Apr 9, 2011 21:44:52 GMT -6
LOL That was funny Skywalker, well said! ;D You just made my night though. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2011 21:57:14 GMT -6
It's a long ways from recognizing an area and being able to control it without the usual side effects of our trying to tamper with the brain. This has been going on for a very long time without any stable success and I think that is a very very good thing. No one needs to be fooling around with something designed by a master
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Post by skywalker on Apr 9, 2011 22:02:13 GMT -6
There will always be counterfeiters and people who think they can do it better.
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Post by lois on Apr 9, 2011 22:42:29 GMT -6
It's a long ways from recognizing an area and being able to control it without the usual side effects of our trying to tamper with the brain. This has been going on for a very long time without any stable success and I think that is a very very good thing. No one needs to be fooling around with something designed by a master exactly..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 3:46:31 GMT -6
Shoplifters have been driving me insane, on this subject of course believe it or not. The police don't even come to the store anymore unless the shoplifter has committed a "felony", which is if they are stealing more than $500 worth of merchandise.
We caught a woman two nights ago trying to drive one of those handicapped carts out of the store with the basket full of expensive cuts of meat. The total tab was $496. Not a felony.
I told my manager, "If we were allowed to beat the *bleep* out of them, they wouldn't shoplift anymore."
He just smiled and said, "Yea... I know..."
All we can do is take the merchandise back from them (without using force of course) and tell them they can't come into the store anymore. That's it. No jail. No fine. No nothing.
It's FREAKING stoopid!!! When I catch them doing something, I want to kick their ribs in.
The sad thing is, they KNOW we can't do anything to stop them... and that is why they do it.
Hell... if a teenager comes into the store with a fake ID, I'm not even allowed to confiscate it.
~frustrated sigh~
This is what happens when people aren't afraid of getting caught. Thousands and thousands of dollars in losses to grocery stores. I see it every damn day. Every day. Several times a day. All I can do is say, "Do you have your receipt?" and if they run out the door, I can't stop them. I can't chase them.
By the time I am able to run and find authorized "Security personnel" the shoplifter's already gone off to God-knows-where.
And they all know this because they've either worked retail before, or they've done it before.
And that is why they get away with it. Because they know the stoopid cops won't come for a measly $300 worth or merchandise. They'll just roll their eyes and say... "Whatever..."
I still say I should be authorized to chase after them, knock them to the ground and kick their teeth in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 1:41:25 GMT -6
I'm thinking that wouldn't be the best possible scenario for your soul
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 1:43:58 GMT -6
I'm thinking that wouldn't be the best possible scenario for your soul What about the souls of theives though? The bible says "Thou shalt not steal" The bible says nothing about "Thou shalt not kick in thy neighbor's teeth" ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 9:49:57 GMT -6
~ahem~ The bible is one big lesson in contradiction. "An eye for an eye" "Judge not lest ye be judged" "Love thy fellow neighbor except in instances where he steals then kick in his teeth" oh wait..that was in the book of Lorelei? I'm giggling. No Lorelei you may not kick in the teeth of the crime perpetrators. I could understand shoplifting a lot more if the only people who did steal were the poor and hungry. Unfortunately now days..it's more often going to have some drug relation. I do predict that things are going to get VERY bad in the next months. People are becoming crazy confused and that ups the suicide and murder scale. People will be more dangerous and angry so be sure to preserve Lorelei and if that means kicking them in the teeth..well they should have exercised their freedom of choice in a wiser manner ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 3:21:07 GMT -6
~ahem~ The bible is one big lesson in contradiction. "An eye for an eye" "Judge not lest ye be judged" "Love thy fellow neighbor except in instances where he steals then kick in his teeth" oh wait..that was in the book of Lorelei? I'm giggling. No Lorelei you may not kick in the teeth of the crime perpetrators. I could understand shoplifting a lot more if the only people who did steal were the poor and hungry. Unfortunately now days..it's more often going to have some drug relation. I do predict that things are going to get VERY bad in the next months. People are becoming crazy confused and that ups the suicide and murder scale. People will be more dangerous and angry so be sure to preserve Lorelei and if that means kicking them in the teeth..well they should have exercised their freedom of choice in a wiser manner ;D LOL Jo... ;D The book of Lorelei. I like the sound of that... ~smirk~ People who steal expensive bottles of cognac are not doing it because they are hungry Jo... they do it because they don't want to spend $40 on it, and they don't want to spend $10 on a bottle of cheap whiskey. People don't steal $400 worth of expensive cuts of meat because they are hungry. They steal it because they can. Who suffers when these people steal from the grocery store? The "suits" of the grocery chain? No. They continue to make their BMW payments and take their gold-diggers out to fancy restaurants then throw a hot-tub party just like always. Do the managers of the grocery store suffer? A little. They might lose out on a huge annual bonus. Who pays for the theft? The minimum wage cashier. Me. They cut back my hours and hold back on giving me raises to make up for the loss because I am at the bottom of the food chain. Almost every single cashier at the grocery store where I work is on food stamps (those who are not married to men who have decent paying jobs). I could be on assistance too, but I refuse to be. I am fortunate enough to be allowed to live with my parents. They need me here anyway. They need the help around the house... The only people the shoplifters are hurting are me, and my co-workers. People who have rotted out teeth because they can't afford to go see the dentist. The single mothers who have small children to feed. The mentally handicapped courtesy clerk who lives in a slummy apartment building next door to drug dealers with scars up and down his arms because of an infestation of bed bugs who wants to save up his money so he can buy a bicycle so he doesn't have to walk three miles to get to work anymore. These are just examples of four of the people whom I work with. These are examples of the real people whom I work with every day. These are the people who are paying for the stolen merchandise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 9:48:44 GMT -6
It's always the lil guy who pays Lorelei. When I was doing the single mom thing raising my kids I was a waitress..naturally we're at the whim of the 'tipper'. It carries through all industry..the low man on the totem pole pays.
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Post by paulette on Apr 12, 2011 16:44:13 GMT -6
Weighing in - fear, no fear. Stealing, kicking people in the teeth (or not). Jeez I go away for 3 days and ....
No fear is dangerous. No fear is the toddler wandering out into the traffic. However, like everything, moments of no fear can be miraculous and lead to amazing outcomes - to surrendering to the universe. People have chased that state with meditation and discipline and also with sex, drugs, and rock n roll. And love.
Too much fear is paralyzing and also dangerous. That is what I think the Frank Herbert quote is about. If one has to fight desert trained assassins or deal with 200 foot sand worms or whatever, better to keep to the moment. Much fear is about the what if's that don't happen. We have to be alert enough to be paying attention to the what if's but not such that we can't live our lives or even make the best decision in a situation that only offers a few fast breaking options. Climb the tree? Pause to find a stick (that might be effective against a large predator?), Start singing the Canadian anthem VERY LOUDLY to prove to the predator that you are crazy and probably bad meat???
The newest drugs and techniques that are being used to eliminate fear reactions after a traumatic event (and therefore eliminate down time from one's job) are very suspect to me. We evolved to have post traumatic thoughts and flashbacks SO THAT WE COULD AVOID being in the same situation later. But chemically, THEY (the drug companies) have come up with something that blocks that reaction. Work in a job where someone comes in in a black hoodie and a stocking over his/her head and a gun regularly? No worries....just take Fear-be-gone.
Don't know about you but I especially prize surviving and want to ponder those situations in my own time. (and maybe switch jobs while I'm at it).
About people who steal and what to do about them: I'm surprised to hear that the police in Alaska do not take a more proactive stance. Shoplifting is NOT OK here and at very least, the person is diverted to Community Justice and has to make amends and do some community service like work in a homeless shelter or pick up garbage. (We have very little garbage along our highways...)
I guess Lorelei that you are stuck with both management and local law enforcement limitations. Try not to take it personally. Because you work and they don't or because you know better and obey your conscience and they don't - doesn't mean you should drive yourself crazy. Or because they are drug users and getting cents on the dollar for their stolen merchandise so that they can score and stop the increasing bedlam in their bodies and minds. Is being drug addicted more manageable that being hungry?
No. Hungry people don't hate themselves as much as low life do anything users do.
This is where I hope that the theory of Karma is actually up and running. That people who SEEM to get away with things - actually don't, even though it takes awhile.
I also remember a very time limited period in which I stole a few things in stores - dumb things like, a can of black olives. I STILL think when I'm in a store, "I could just take this." Or worse, I think, "I wonder if they think I'm shoplifting...?" Both thoughts are as bad as anything I face. This is where FEAR is a GOOD thing.
For the record: I do not take things. and no one has ever asked me to reveal the contents of my purse. But I'm still paying for my teenage smart-*bleep* defiance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 17:05:10 GMT -6
That is what I was trying to say actually. I didn't though, did I?
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I meant to... lol...
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Post by skywalker on Apr 12, 2011 17:31:13 GMT -6
I think a little bit of fear is a good thing. It makes people cautious and makes them think twice about what they are about to do. No fear would be a bad thing...it would get people killed very quickly and needlessly. The people who are coming up with this "no-fear" technology need to think twice about what they are doing. I believe it will cause nothing but problems. Imagine a bunch of drug users and criminals who have no fear. Or even worse, politicians. It would be like creating a bunch of rabid animals that will stop at nothing to get what they want...kind of the way Washington DC is now. (Very good post by thet way, Paulette.
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Post by auntym on Apr 12, 2011 17:37:47 GMT -6
i refer to it as a 'healthy fear'.... we all need it to stay alive....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 18:44:50 GMT -6
That will teach you to go away Paulette ;D
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